>>44068173
idk I'm the alternate circumstance
I just wear jeans and whatever top goes with jeans
I have a psychological dependence on jeans and wear them to bed

>>44068203
Thank you for your answer. I had a feeling that some people on this website would lean into the alternate circumstance category, because reasons. Maybe a higher degree of introspection than a general audience.

>>44068173
I can only speak about my own experience as an MTF. I don't wear womens' clothes and I only wear male ones, although I would prefer to wear something more feminine sometimes.
Yes, I agree with you that the biological aspect is the key thing. I obviously didn't troon out just to wear pink clothes or whatever. I'm not interested in wearing skirts, dresses or high heels. For me, my dysphoria comes from my own body being male (and I try to reduce this maleness through medical intervention) and being treated like a man socially. By this I mean being called a man, gendered male, having a male name.
Clothes are by far the least important thing, but there are some exceptions. Obviously since I went through male puberty, I have broader shoulders, so I dislike mens' clothing that emphasizes them with padding (which is also a cope for them).
I have pretty broad hips for a male, so I find finding pants that fit me difficult for example.
I also don't really like bright colours. I prefer more muted, more mature clothing.

>>44068173
>Then why wait until you've transitioned? Nothing stopped me from wearing the clothes I liked. You're a fool.
Don't be a retard, men do not look good in dresses and gendered clothes are implicitly designed around certain sexual characteristics and are tailored differently to suit those. Wearing women's clothes when you have a male body just feels like mockery and it rightfully makes most trannies skin crawl from self loathing

>>44068173
>Gendered clothes as a concept has no relation to sexual dimorphism, and only exists due to weird societal norms.
wtf no?? men's and women's clothes are cut, sized, and styled completely differently to make different parts of the body look and fit better.

>Assumption 1: They've always admired clothes oppositional to their birth sex.
>Then why wait until you've transitioned? Nothing stopped me from wearing the clothes I liked. You're a fool.
you know what sexual dimorphism is and yet you ask these stupid ass questions? you know as well as anyone that women's clothes are not made to fit men and make us look like freaks.

you get the privilege to wear either gender's clothes because men's clothes just look baggy on you. the inverse does not work, you can't put smaller clothes on a bigger person.

are cissies really this stupid or is this just ragebait

>>44068407
i just realized i edited what i was writing halfway when i realized you said something stupid in the beginning.

>you know as well as anyone that women's clothes are not made to fit men and make us look like freaks.
ignore this part, clearly you don't.

>>44068317
>>44068407
Clothes will only start having fitting problems after someone goes through puberty. There was nothing stopping you before then.

>>44068173
i still wear unisex clothes like flannels and jeans after 4 years of transitioning because clothes aren't gender to me
and anybody who does say clothes = gender sounds a bit like a sissy imo...

>>44068438
half of the people here had no identity pre-puberty. i can't even remember 80% of my childhood. just wearing whatever the hell my parents buy me. what bearing does that have on literally anything

>>44068203
Oh also I mean; I did have an interest in the past
I'd worn heels, makeup, dress, skirt etc pre and during puberty (not in public because i fucking wore girl jeans by accident once in elementary school and the pocket design got me ridiculed so) but not after transition, self confidence shot ig

>>44068470
What? You had no idea who you were as a person until you went through puberty? I can't comprehend that, sorry. I guess this is where we agree to disagree.

>>44068438
>>44068470
>>44068563
i wore school uniform 99% of the time and barely went outside because of my depression so no clothes for going out were needed. and all of them were bought by my parents because fuck what my gay depressed kid thinks

>>44068563
are you op? makes sense.

why do you place so much importance on what people dressed as a kid?

>>44068173
You don't even realize your afab privilege.

If you're amab you're not allowed to like feminine things. (A very broad category)
Everyone around you will keep you in line, making fun of you at best or beating you up at worst. Including your own family.

This is there before your interests or your identity. And you can only choose them from within these limits.

There is no using "girl-clothes because I found them more comfortable" if you're amab. It WILL be met with hostility. And only if you're very very sure in yourself and up to take on that hostility can you consider doing it. (Which is commendable)

Many of us. After transitioning, or at least after confirming we wish we were women. Is the first time we are asking ourselves what we really like.

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Pre-trans: I dressed like an emo twink faggot and wore women's skinny jeans (before I even knew what trooning was lol) and tight women's tees

Now:
I simply switched to wearing much baggier and oversized clothing to hide my disgusting ropehon fat retsrd body pretty much all year round. It's like advanced manmode ig I find it comfy though. Can't wait for it to be winter again even though I have really bad cold tolerance. I would say in a way I dress less feminine now than I did before trooning. I think most trannies either dress more femininely because they can get away with it after passing more, or they are just agp freaks who do it for their fetish. Me idc even if I somehow became a 100% giga passoid (impossible at this point) I'd still probably never wear anything but long pants, no dresses or skirts, no shorts or revealing top. That's just me tho, maybe I'm fake trans idk. I wish I could just be invisible. 99% of the time though I just wear a 3 sizes too large sweater or hoodie and flared jeans and military boots.

>>44068173
changing wardrobe was a very gradual process for me that started around a month into being on hrt bc my mom refused to let me boymode. i did however hold onto many t-shirts from before i transitioned for a year or two. eventually they became pajamas and then got cycled out of my wardrobe entirely. despite this, i have actually began to incorporate some mens clothing back into my wardrobe just as my aesthetic shifts more androgynous again. they're comfy plus i like the fact that even a mens small feels baggy and huge on me.

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>>44068173

For me, I never really felt safe/comfortable in feminine clothes as a child. Some of this was dysphoria, but some of it was also growing up as a child in the 2000s and having a preternatural sense something was fundamentally wrong with how girls and women were being marketed and influenced to be in that era, which I have since been vindicated for, even if I didn't have the terminology or knowledge to articulate it as a child.
So I grew up feeling like very feminine clothing was gendered, but men's clothes always felt androgynous because my mom was pretty tomboyish and my family has had many gnc women in it. It's hard to say how my parents pre or post divorce would've handled a gnc amab child.

I've always been a queer man as part of my identity as a man, and I like the look of my body and face look being more masc (Kinda between Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom, I'm definitely not as handsome as Orlando Bloom but people have compared my look to him before, probably because I wear my hair in a braid) but I do fundamentally agree with you that clothing shouldn't be gendered.

I've forgon pants largely for utility kilts, which I can dress in more and less formal ways. I don't identify as goth (I might end up there eventually) but goth and metal are probably my biggest stylistic influences, and just alt 2000s fashion as whole. I've found have some kind of short jacket or other long-sleeved accessory clothing pairs well with it (pic related) but if I don't feel like dressing up I'll just wear a hoodie with the kilt even if I don't think it's as fashionable.
I've always liked hoodies bc I got cold easily before T, and I don't have any issues with my body atp (7 years on T, 4 years post top surgery) but I don't think I owe it to anyone to show off my silhouette all the time either. People can be very judgemental of bodies no matter who you are.

>>44069954
(Cont.)
I think an important question to ask is "Do we one day want clothing to no longer be symbolic?" Because even if we de-gender clothing it is an aspect of expression humans use similar to language. We're still communicating info or ideas about ourselves to the world in how we dress, even if you take gender out of the equation.

Being misgendered sucks and often times when you're trying to be validated in masculine identity (as any gender) if you show any femininity people just erase thier conception of you as masculine especially if you're more androgynous. I 100% pass with facial hair, but if I'm clean shaven people I'm androgynous enough people usually look to my clothing and make assumptions based on that. I dress like a metalhead no question I'm a man, but the moment I decide to wear a nice sweater and dress pants with a bag there's an assumption I'm just a flat chested woman. I think for any trans person we often have to use clothes as a negotiation tool in presenting a version of ourselves that can be affirmed and understood by cis people. This manifests in a huge diversity of ways, I think again we should try to move past it but the reality of how people see us still has material consequences.

I'm at a point where I dress what I consider masculine but there's a point with alt styles where it doesn't really matter anymore and it loops back into androgyny. I just dress to make myself happy, and I don't really care what assumptions people make anymore, because people have always made untrue assumptions about me based on how I look even before I knew I was trans. But I have a lot of privileges a lot of other trans folks have, "Be yourself unapologetically!" In the aesthetic sense is not necessarily good advice when chances of targeted violence and discrimination are high.

>>44068173
>After transitioning, did you start to wear clothes that aligned more with your gender identity?
no, i still wear men's clothing
>Why or why not?
because i'm nonbinary and unisex clothes are practically identical to men's clothes. also because wearing women's clothing brings unwanted attention and makes me feel more self-conscious and less safe. i also don't pass as female

>>44068173
your thinking is flawed. considering gender constructs in isolation does not give a full picture of things.

people are generally not free to adopt arbitrary gender presentation. this is a constraint socially enforced by violence in a manner that is asymmetrical between genders: there is much less violence directed towards masculine-presenting women than there is violence directed towards feminine-presenting men. this violence is predicated on the appearance of your body. as a result, different things are afforded to you at different points in transition.

people may not even be aware of what gender presentation they would prefer if they are overwhelmingly alienated by their body. again, this tends to change through transition: you find yourself gradually more comfortable with your body; you also let yourself attend to your desires and develop taste.

both of these factors are grounded in what people experience and quite straightforward explain why they would gradually change their gender presentation throughout transition.

>>44068173
I fall in the alternate category because I was allowed to be a femboy in my early teens because of unconventional parental circumstances and living in a left leaning area

These days after transitioning, I kinda consider myself a femboy again but more enlightened. By default, I look quite feminine physically because of hrt and general maintenance of my hair, eyebrows, and skin. Dressing super feminine still feels like dressing up for me, like for a special occasions usually. When I do get more feminine clothes I actually want to be more modest and not even show off my boobs so much. I prefer androgynous clothes most of the time like I always did in my boy days. That being said, I prefer to find women's clothes for certain garments because they fit nice, are generally comfortable, and have more styling options than men's clothes.
That being said I do still like some boy clothes because I kinda think of myself as a girly nonbinary twink. The cool part about being trans really is that you can be whatever you want =w=

>>44068173
>Assumption 1: They've always admired clothes oppositional to their birth sex.
>Then why wait until you've transitioned? Nothing stopped me from wearing the clothes I liked. You're a fool.

Men aren't allowed to wear frilly/sexy women's clothing without getting labelled a pervert. Men's clothing is very plain and modest by comparison and no one really complains when women wear men's clothes. Men face extreme stigma for going out in "women's clothes" and may be fired from jobs, lose employment opportunities, etc. So yes, nothing stopped YOU. But a lot does stop men.

>>44068470
I thought everyone was born with a penis and it fell off when you got older (like a second type of umbilical cord or something because I saw an umbilical cord fall off a baby I grew up around and had only ever seen adult women naked, never men) when I was a kid and that the only difference between boys and girls was girls had long hair and boys had short hair. My mom cut my hair and bought my clothes and I didn't think about it very much.

>>44071967
>That being said

>>44072123
that being said, my classic autism thinks every sentence as a new thought and I repeat words and it makes me feel stupid as shit

>>44068173
hrt happened to make me look like a woman, and voice training came naturally to me. idk, i never rly changed my wardrobe. ive been getting mistaken for a girl my whole life anyways

>>44072218
that being said, i still love u anyway

>>44068173
I was forced into wearing masculine clothing by family that abused me. Nowadays I find it difficult to dress the way I want, even after changing my sex.