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medical transition?
brain differences?

>gender identity is a social construct
not a thing

the real question is where does self identification stand in all of this?

>>44071816
some are. if you identify them as men they are men to you. if most people identify them as men they are men*. this is a very simple concept

>>44071828
>sexual differentiation of the brain
meaning what?

>>44071857
the parts of the brain that are different between men and women

>>44071862
so if someone claims to be a trans woman but doesn't have a female brain, they're not a woman? i.e. men and women are fundamentally biological distinctions?

>>44071902
there's not really any way to check
but men don't tend to want to be women or enjoy transitioning

>>44071928
>there's not really any way to check
in day-to-day life between persons, sure, but, respectfully, that's not what I'm asking about. I'm asking the truth of the matter, not whether most people have ready access to it.
>but men don't tend to want to be women or enjoy transitioning
but if they did, and they didn't have a female brain, they wouldn't be a woman right? because being a man or a woman is fundamentally biological?

>>44071902
woman is a term to refer to a group of people associated with feminine behavior. but you cant claim to have a male or female brain, you simply have it

>>44071943
>but if they did, and they didn't have a female brain, they wouldn't be a woman right? because being a man or a woman is fundamentally biological?
I guess that depends how you feel about social constructivism

>>44071946
>woman is a term to refer to a group of people associated with feminine behavior
????
are femboys women?
what an awful descriptor
what about the large amount of women that are not stereotypically feminine or even masculine presenting
Thank god gincel isn't here this would be a slam dunk for them

To a certain extent I think I can/will be able to identify confidently with the women label
but to a greater extent(partially to my lack of boldness) Ive started to make peace with the fact that when the smoke clears I'll probably settle as some weird boobtwink that happens to look female most of the time
I do hate being called a guy or referred to especially being seen as some gay guy ugh idk if im confident to outright say im a woman but id rather lean there than have to be a man

>>44071946
>woman is a term to refer to a group of people associated with feminine behavior
some people treat it that way, but not most - not even cross-culturally. most people understand a man and woman to be biological, fundamentally. people can have ideals about their behavior, but most people don't think a tomboy is actually a man, say.
>>44071963
>I guess that depends how you feel about social constructivism
well I'm asking you

>>44071965
>are femboys women?
if they pass as women, yes. doesnt necessarily mean that they have a female brain
>what about the large amount of women that are not stereotypically feminine or even masculine presenting
you would need to lean heavily towards one or another to not be included together with people of your birth sex

>>44071983
>if they pass as women, yes. doesnt necessarily mean that they have a female brain
what? So if youre a young boy and happen to look very feminine and get mistaken as a girl repeatedly are you just a girl now?
What kind of woke bullshit is that?

>>44071993
this also introduces another question
are hons men?
If so, then 70-80% of trans women dont count as women

>>44071976
>some people treat it that way, but not most - not even cross-culturally. most people understand a man and woman to be biological, fundamentally.
it's not my problem if people use male and female, men and women, to refer to the same thing
>but most people don't think a tomboy is actually a man
>>44071993
>So if youre a young boy and happen to look very feminine and get mistaken as a girl repeatedly are you just a girl now?
if you pass almost every time as a girl, yes
>>44072004
>are hons men?
yes

>>44072006
>but most people don't think a tomboy is actually a man
tomboys dont pass as men*

>>44072006
>are hons men?
>yes
damn
are you trans?
cold ass takes tonight I guess
My issue with this whole thing and why I made this thread is because the amount of answers to the question "are trans women men?" is really frustrating
its either "no cause social construct" , "yes because chromosomes", "no cause brain differences", "no but only if you get srs", "yes and you should kill yourself", "no if you pass", "no even if you dont actually transition"
like, thats a lot
at this point I would be happy passing, getting she/her'd and being considered faggotgender because clearly there isn't a conensus on this issue across the political spectrum

>>44072034
>are you trans?
yes
hons are female brained men
passoids are female brained women
if they are trutrans, of course

>>44072006
>it's not my problem if people use male and female, men and women, to refer to the same thing
that's not quite right. male and female refer to sex generally, but can be applied to specific species. man and woman are overwhelmingly used to refer to male and female humans (similar to how 'bitch' denotes a female dog). but it's a problem insofar as you define a woman as
>a group of people associated with feminine behavior
because an obvious question becomes Where are you getting that definition? Do you believe it's objective/prescriptive, descriptive? as far as how most people use language it's obviously not descriptively true, but if you're to take a prescriptive route, By what authority?
>>44072011
though I don't disagree, that's a red-herring. the proof is this: even tomboys who do pass, however rare, upon "inspection" the vast majority of people, upon seeing their naked bodies and a record of their chromosomal makeup, would say they're actually women. the point being that definitionally most people regard these things as biological. which is why even a trans woman who passes most would say is still a dude.

>>44072058
thank god im not angloid

>>44072103
argument = goose egg

>social construct
if you want to talk pronouns and such in isolation, that is pretty much the answer yeah. Accommodation for a neurodivergency population, so people can live happily, stay healthy and be productive in their own way.
Gender dysphoria is a complex condition we don't fully understand, but we know it exists and that transition is the only general treatment for it. Which includes a social component.
You wouldn't be wrong to call a transgender woman male, you'd just be an arse/missing the point. On the other hand, not everyone who simply claims to be transgender actually is.

>>44072058
>le sex, le femles!!
What makes your definition objective or useful? Do you ask every passerby for a karyotype?
>most people
Most people are unthinking retarded cattle that should be hung if it expresses any opinion

>>44071816
because they're eunuchs (neuters)