>>44094536
Those gay boys never got beat up by their parents or peers for acting gay

>>44094536
I wish James Charles went on estrogen and HRTfemboy-maxxed. It'd be so hot.

>>44094544
these specific ones

>>44094536
I didnt have internet or a sephora or a supportive mom :( I did steal mascara from walmart once tho.

>>44094536
Dad barged in on me trying and failing to apply eyeshadow one time and gave me a black eye

>>44094544
Clearly you weren’t enough either

>>44094536
I don't like heavy makeup

I was 14 in 2009, i can guarantee there were no makeup tutorials then. Or anything of value tbqh.
Also yeah homophobic parents

>>44094536
The day I got press ons for the first time (my own money) my parents called the cops and 5150'd me.

I was literally sent to conversion therapy at 13 because I got caught in a dress

My mom didn't even let me have birthday parties after I turned 12 because they were a "girl thing". Before that she almost made me stop playing webkinz when she found all the girls clothes I was getting until I started crying and lied and said I got them for my sister. Like, she really tried to shake the fag out of me so many times throughout my childhood and now she just pretends it never happened because all of her favorite celebrities are woke. Better than nothing I guess, idk.

>>44094536
And it shows, that makeup looks shiiit.
>>44094591
Agreed.

>>44094536
Gay boys have about 1/5 the backlash from parents compared to trannies. I had my private stash of tranny shit actively taken and thrown away, all the way up to age 20 because I WENT HOMELESS to get privacy. So fuck off. Some people have a perfectly valid reason for having to figure it out late.

While my parents are overall pretty decent ones, when my dad found out I posted pictures in a dress on facebook (I had them set to public), he was asked me to take them down (I only changed their audience to private and he thought I had removed them). When I tried on some black nail polish my mom basically forced me to take it down and called it "vulgar". This was in my early 20's.

>>44094642
>parents 5150'd me
How was it so easy to do?

>>44094898
*Had asked

>>44094898
>This was in my early 20's
respectfully, if you're taking orders from your parents as full fledged adult, the problem is you.

>>44094536
Gay boy in California with a parent with a Sephora card vs closeted trans woman in buttfuck Alabama whose parents are meth addict christcucks

Yes Americacentric but OP is probably a freedomlander

>>44094930
>If you don't want to be homeless while establishing a career path as a young adult, the problem is you

>>44094947
the median age of moving out from one's parents is 20. somehow the majority make it.
you people are your own worst enemies. you wallow in misery and refuse to develop your own agency and you don't like it when you're called out on it.
so yeah, I insist: if you take orders from your parents on petty shit (like nail polish) in your 20s, the problem is YOU.
My parents threatened to throw me out in the streets if I don't break with my bf at 16 (he was 17 then). You know what I did? I left the home the next day. That was 12 years ago.
Last month my mother called me to ask for money for my father's health bills. I politely told her to go fuck herself and reminded her that it's trivial to get a restraining order if she ever calls me again.
She got her wish (I'm no longer there) but I also got my wish. I get to be who I want. Taking orders from your parents as an adult is your fault. Always.

>>44095003
Sorry you went through that anon. I was a coward who waited til i was 18 to stand up to my parents and strike out on my own.

>>44094930
I knew this would be brought up. I did push back against my father and as stated I didn't actually delete the pictures, but as >>44094947 said it's not easy to do when living with them. I wouldn't have gone homeless but defying them would have created more tension than I needed. I struggled with lifelong difficulties in employment, and even though I had a full time job at the time I couldn't rely on it for housing.

>>44095003
>Median age
For every rule there is an exception. Circumstances vary for different individuals. Being able to move out at 16 is considered lucky. For others it might not be the case. Some get unlucky for a variety of reasons, and it seems a bit insensitive to dismiss those cases by saying "well, most people do better". It's incredibly easy to ignore fringe situations that don't reflect the norms.

trans people don't exist, they are a reaction to homophobia

>>44095166
>Being able to move out at 16 is considered lucky
by whom? terminally online low-agency shutins on the mongolian basket weaving forum?
it's not lucky. it's grit. it's valuing oneself and owning your shit. that's a good thing, actually.
>it seems a bit insensitive
I don't care. Tough love is what most of you really need.
>fringe situations
the way fringe situations become the norm is because we kept ignoring them or we elected to be "sensitive" about them.
no, nigga. If you take orders on petty shit from your parents as an adult and you don't retaliate, it is your fault.
that's how we ended up with the majority of zoomers being dysfunctional useless little shits: by being sensitive and not instilling any sense of grit out of fear of offending their precious little feelings.
>Circumstances vary for different individuals
my country is being bombarded. when I fled home the median wage was $100/month. spare me this bullshit talk.
if you really want something, you get it or die trying.
the anon i was responding to valued his temporary short-term material comfort over who he is. He made that choice. It's his fault. He had other options but that's what he chose.
Nobody has perfect options in life. But not all options are created equal. And not owning your shit is a guarantee of inferiour outcomes.

>>44094544
Yeah, I didn't get beat up by my parents who love me. The boys were bullying me all the time! It's one reason I transitioned rather than being gay. I was afraid to be a male!

>>44094544
Gen question, why do some people become dissuaded to do fag shit by being beat? Is everyone a slave or something? I just did that shit anyway.

>>44095355
>Is everyone a slave or something?
nta, but yes. the vast majority of people are goycattle. including the "strong" ones.
had a big guy kept on bullying me for being an effeminate faggot when I was 17 or so (had already fled home). One day he hit me and I went feral on him until he needed an ambulance. After he healed he warned all of his friends not to fuck around with me because i'm a crazy faggot. Fair point, I am a faggot and I am crazy, but he and his friends could've put me down if they wanted to. But didn't. Because goycattle submits to perceived strength pretty fast. They fold very easily.
Slave is a state of mind. And most goycattle are in fact slaves.
>I just did that shit anyway
Based. You're already in top 5% best humans alive. I'm not joking at all. By simply cultivating agency in yourself and refusing to bow down to petty shit, you're already way above the goycattle.

>>44095382
trannies are the biggest fem-simp goycattle of all time
instead of fighting back against homophobia, they just castrate themselves and give in and fetishize all of it

>>44095395
I did survive because I didn't want to get beaten up constantly by stronger and tougher men.
it's easier to be a woman and hide

>>44095382
>>44095355
A lot of people don’t realize you can just Do Things. They live their life in an eternal paralysis. I was in that mindset for awhile

>>44095382
>Because goycattle submits to perceived strength pretty fast.
I will forever pray for our bot brothers and sisters... I've heard the story of "they beat me and I stopped" too many times, it gets tiring after a point.
>>44095395
>gaydens
there's your homosexual man transgender

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>>44095416
>becoming a tranny in order to hide from conflict because your a cowardly pushover

>>44095466
Oh yes, exactly!
I don't want to compete with the men and I don't mean in sports, I mean in life. I'd rather just be a woman and get ignored

>>44095395
nigga did you read my comment and notice my flag? I physically fought back and castrated myself for looks.
you can in fact do both.
>>44095417
>I was in that mindset for awhile
how did you get out? serious question. I'm trying to talk some sense into a friend these weeks and can't get through his skull about this. it's frustrating af.

>>44095502
people castrate themselves to escape persecution
any other reason offered is a malicious gaslighting lie

>>44095355
I wanted to have friends and I wanted my parents to love me so I thought I could just change myself to be someone they would love then that would be fine.

>>44095502
>how did you get out? serious question
I guess it was kinda gradual. I will say the paralysis started because I got sexually assaulted and was terrified of presenting as a woman anymore. I spent a couple years in a depressed haze but it finally clicked to me when a cis friend told me irt my transition that I either have to “do it or don’t”. She was pretty harsh and even felt a bit bad about it later but it made me realize I was wasting any chance at happiness I had wallowing in guilt.

>>44095536
Wallowing in fear not guilt. Excuse my tired mind

transgenderism is the gaypocalypse

>>44095512
neah
if I could achieve these looks without a diminishing in fertility, I would've gone for that.
it's a trade-off. I'm a faggot so fertility wasn't a big concern for me anyway. But looking how I wanted to was (and is) a big concern.
>>44095536
thank you for the answer.
turns out tough love was the solution for you too.
i have no intention to "womanmode" but I do sometimes wear dresses or long skirts. ironically i get more flak from other faggots than from regular folks.

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>>44094536
Honestly I think it's based that James Charles shamelessly targets straight men, queen behavior.

>>44095783
No James Charles is shaped like that

>>44095324
You seem to think that lacking empathy is a virtue. I think you need to believe that everyone has the exact same abilities and challenges in life, as it reaffirms your achievements. I am happy for your success and your achievements are valuable, but "the majority" is not reflective of every single person. It's not some woke shit, it's a fact of life one should accept if they consider themselves to be rational. Most people aren't gay or trans. How many posts are up here on a regular basis stating "you could be me and just not be those things"?

I am the same flagless anon you responded to. Basic psychological stability is not "temporary material comfort". You view the world through gross generalizations instead of considering any nuance. Things like early life trauma, chronic illness and such actually exist. If you had a congenital condition that impeded your ability to make a living, would you have had the same options available to you? People absolutely hate to consider such hypotheticals, but you need to if you wish to make realistic judgments.

This whole tough act is really stale. There are those who don't make it and end up homeless, dead, or severely psychologically damaged. Do they not count?

I think the one thing a lot of people struggle with is realizing that not everyone is alike, and that they have less choice than they believe they do. People are shaped by their genetics and environments more than we often care to admit. You may have come from a country with rough conditions, but then someome from say California could have been born with severely low IQ and suffered abuse as child, both of which will make his options in life quite limited.

I am saying all of this as someone who considers himself a classical liberal. I'm hardly woke and definitely not some tiktok zoomer.

>>44095849
he got a bbl its been like 4 years

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>>44095849
Shaped like what?

>>44094536
that's a rich guy
most trans women live in poverty

>>44095863
>I'm hardly woke
>right after a reddit spaced wall of text of woke shit
sorry anon, but you are a cretin. there's no way around that. I'm not the flag faggot but I do relate to him a lot more.
Most of the whining here is just that: whining. Purposefully choosing to be a retard should in fact be shamed. Empathy towards people who choose to be retarded is in fact a very bad thing.
yes, lacking empathy for cretins who make poor choices is a virtue.
you're no classical liberal at all. you're a wokie. a classical liberal would be aware that 100% of people born in California are objectively better off than 98% of the people born in a warzone.

>>44095382
>I went feral on him until he needed an ambulance
This gives the same energy as "i never trained but when I get mad I just see RED and go crazy"
Suuuuurrrrre you did sweety

>>44095003
I spent 30 years developing my agency
No matter what I did, I just can't succeed
This economy does not care about me, and I'm surely not the only one
Easy to tell people to do better, but if the system does not even reward those who do or try, why bother?

>>44095956
>Speaking in depth about a subject is le woke. Also readability is for reddit

Come on now. You relate to opinions that affirm you won. That's just simple cognitive bias. I don't think I described people who choose to be retarded. You're just avoiding engaging with anything that might contradict your beliefs. People who are born in first world countries are generally better off than those in war affected countries. The point is that certain circumstances aren't simply negated by lucking out with other circumstances. Classical liberalism has to do with the relationship between the individual and the state. You can absolutely believe that state welfare is not the way to go, but still support voluntary initiatives like charity. Recognizing reality as it is, as opposed to something that aligns with your moral foundations, is just being rational.

>>44095783
wtf? this is what flamers look like these days? cosmetic surgery has gone too far

>>44095382
This is how James Charles actually talks actually, he coined that term.

you deserve RAPE for being trans

>>44098054
That's pretty hateful to say. What's got you down, anon?

>>44098054
:(

>>44094536
i already fully understand i only have myself to blame for not learning makeup. i was deeply religious and hated myself so i refused to even entertain doing things like that.
i look back with many regrets.

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hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

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>>44094536
The actual gay teen experience.