I've yet to see a convincing argument against the existence of gendered socialization.>Trans women are abused and beaten for not conforming to masculinity standardsSo are gays. What's your point?
>>44097206why should such abuse be acceptable?
>>44097206There is none, it’s just a cope for AMABs to pretend they aren’t insufferable entitled whiny cunts because of it.
>>44097206Is anyone here actually arguing against the idea of male and female socialization?
>>44097284Who said it is? I'm saying it didn't make them not socialized as men.
>>44097206I dont think anybody denies it exists I think they just deny it has a universal effect on everybody subjected to it
>>44097206nobody thinks that gendered socialization literally doesn't exist, the problem is that the existence of gendered socialization is almost exclusively used as a though terminating cliche to call trans women men. The kind of socialization trans women get is not anywhere near the same experience men get.
>>44097465I’ll also add that few acknowledge that socialization doesn’t end with childhood.
>>44097302There’s a subtype of MtT that really really wants to weaponize this weird inverted feminism that pretends socialization isn’t real and MtTs are the most female and most victims etcThey use terms like TME and tumblr language to try to come off like fourth wave feministsMuch skinwalker, very spook
>>44097535Nigger why do you think sucking up to conservatives will make them like fags?
>>44097535Well trans women are women and trans men are men are they not?
>>44097535>how DARE trannies be feminist!
>>44097302>>44097465>>44097482>nobody thinks that gendered socialization literally doesn't existThey do.
>>44097573this person isn't saying gendered socialization doesn't exist, they're just saying that there's no single homogeneous experience and that there's a vast range of what growing up being treated as a boy is like.
>>44097371So if one receives male abuse instead of female abuse, this genders their soul?
>>44097573>people say socialization exists, but the effect isn’t universally the same>posts two people essentially saying socialization exists, but the effect isn’t universally the sameOwn goal
>>44097596It genders their upbringing and therefore socialization.
>>44097603and?
>>44097619That's all.
>>44097603So if one is gendered male as a child they can't transition?
>>44097637They can and often do.
>>44097632well then you're missing the point. The reason people don't like the gendered socialization issue is because it is used to accuse trans women of being men. nobody is denying that trans people are raised as the wrong gender, the problem is that it is used as an accusation of illegitimacy or collective guilt. If you're not doing that, people won't have a problem with you.
>>44097662How is the way cis boys are raised a good thing?
>>44097855Are all cis boys raised the same way?
>>44097855what does that have to do with anything I said
>>44097855Did you get lost on the way to /r9k/?
