>>44100142
Trans women are women.

>>44100177
feminine men are not women

>>44100186
I didn't say feminine men. I said trans women. Get the corn out of your ears. .

>>44100142
uses both he and she, still better than the west

>>44100200
trans women = feminine men
you can't be a cis woman and be a trans woman
you can't be a masculine man and be a trans woman
it's a euphemism for feminine man and conveys the exact same meaning
your actual specific meaning is "feminine men should be socially included with women" but you can't outright state that - even though you intend that

>>44100177
They are not women. Biological sex is real and binary in humans. In mammals, including humans, sex is defined by the type of gamete an organism is organised to produce. This is the standard definition in developmental and evolutionary biology. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species with two sexes. Rare disorders/differences of sex development (DSDs/intersex conditions, ~0.018% for ambiguous cases after excluding Klinefelter/Turner) are developmental variations or pathologies within the binary framework, they do not create a spectrum of sexes or functional third gametes. Chromosomal sex (XX/XY), gonadal development and resulting anatomy/hormones are observable, measurable, and predictive.

"Trans women" (natal males with gender dysphoria or identification) are adult human males who experience incongruence between their sex and subjective identity. Medical transition alters secondary characteristics, voice, fat distribution, and some appearance, but does not change sex chromosomes.

They cannot produce ova or a functional female reproductive system, reverse male-typical skeletal structure, muscle fibre composition, lung/heart size, or pre-transition advantages in metrics like grip strength, bone density, or VO2 max.

Trans women are not women.

>>44100142
what

>>44100214
No, no it isn't. Those are entirely separate concepts. It is not euphemism; it is a simple observed fact that trans women are women.

I am not talking about feminine men. I am talking about trans women. If you can't understand they aren't the same thing, you need to educate yourself. This is proven science. Do not tell me what I intend. I can speak for myself, and the evidence disagrees with you.

>>44100227
Yes, they are. Biological sex is real, the same social gender is. It is not binary; it is a spectrum, as proven by intersex individual. What you are proposing just isn't very good science and nothing you said past that statement has any scientific validity.

Trans women. Are women.

>>44100235
>fact
how does one define a trans woman

>>44100142
soi 4 is big red light district here in bkk that cater to stupid farang lbh like you. here they use madam room like every other but you farang trash kill so need to be warned

>>44100267
We can now easily identify trans women in fMRI scans, because despite their sex, their brains clearly resemble female brains, and are clearly different from male ones. Here is one of many such studies: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

This also applies to other animals which exhibit transgenderism, such as free Martins. They are distinct from feminine males, who do not have such traits.

Such screening techniques, while expensive, are quite effective and may one day help identify trans women before puberty.

>>44100291
sir, i appreciate you standing up to bad for us, but I think this post in bad faith. I do not think it is worth engaging with.

>>44100291
why are fMRI scans not used ever to diagnose gender dysphoria?

>>44100308
You are entirely correct, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth saying.

>>44100316
As stated, cost. Why perform a scan when you can simply talk to the person?

>>44100325
because a scan proves you are not lying

>>44100316
Gee I wonder why research from this decade using specialised machinery that is expensive to operate for the diagnosis of a minority group that people don't really give a shit about when we already have existing methods for diagnosis hasn't percolated out into broader medicine. Asking a bitch if she has GD is a lot cheaper and easier than shoving her into a big magnet and training technicians to look at the results.

>>44100333
That's not really particularly relevant in mental health diagnosis. Someone "lying" who is coming to a mental health expert for help is still someone who needs help.

We don't take brain scans to see if people are lying about something itching, for example.

>>44100356
woman isn't a feeling

>>44100363
Femininity is. It's a brain pattern.

>>44100374
describe the brain pattern in your own words and explain how they know this pattern represents femininity, and not something else, or just nothing at all meaningful

>>44100333
This is so retarded and proves that you don't know anything about medicine. It's overwhelmingly not what scans are used for in medicine. If you go to a rheumatologist and say your joints hurt, they're not scanning you to see if you're lying, they're scanning you because there's a lot of different reasons they could hurt and they want to rule some of them out. A positive scan rules out one set of conditions and a negative scan rules out another. What exactly would the differential diagnosis with transsexualism be? There isn't one.

>>44100363
I wonder how long your cope would last if someone shoved your brain into a male's body.

i am a cis man on hrt

>>44100382
No. I am not a neurologist; I will not pretend to be. I I vige you to not pretend to be either. Instead, let's indulge in the time honored tradition of literature review and read.

>>44100419
there are no people with male bodies and female brains

>>44100382
The brain patterns in discussion refer to similarities between cis women's and trans women's brains that do not occur in cis men.

>>44100433
>similarities between cis women's and trans women's brains
nebulous, vague, non-specific
tranny astrology

>>44100450
If you're interested, you may read the study.

>>44100428
Brother, this is something that we can objectively verify to be the case with fMRI scans. I'm sorry that your traumatic obsession blinds you to objective facts but they will still be there no matter what you believe.

>>44100450
> Objective data are astrology now
I bet my life would be a lot easier if I were as stupid as you

>>44100455
>objectively verify
>scans
that's not what scans do
nobody diagnoses gender from a scan

>>44100453
you have no idea what you are talking about

>>44100142
trans women are women, you are a weird fact denying lunatic who ignores years of real data and research, on the level of a flat earther. you lost btw.

>>44100655
trans women are men

>>44100742
Terfs are mentally ill.

>>44100243
Intersex people do not prove "sex is a spectrum".

We demonstrate that our reproductive sex can be different than our primary and secondary sex traits (IE: someone can have a "female sex" but still be born with a penis or grow a beard).

I am so tired of dumbfuck trannies not caring to learn jackshit about us beyond "hurdur intersex people prove I, a non-intersex person, am valid because... uhh... intersex people exist or something".

>>44100742
Correct!

>>44100804
>Terfs are mentally ill.
Nope, you are! Over 50% of transgender people have a cluster B disorder, and even more have mental illnesses, like depression.

>>44100142
So the security guards check every prostitute who comes to this hotel and hands out a pamphlet to the tourist who hired if they're with a tranny?
kek, thailand is really something else

>>44100214
>you can't be a cis woman and be a trans woman
have you been on tiktok? some faketrannies beg to differ

>>44100291
There is no such thing as a female brain. There are averages more associated with one sex or the other just like there are averages associated with height. You cannot tell sex from someone's brain shape any more than you can tell sex from the fact that someone is 6'0".
The brain is not a sex trait.

>>44100950
yes you can easily identify someone's sex by their genitalia

>>44100834
Real transsexualism is an intersex condition. Consider thinking holistically and objectively instead of emotionally

>>44100291
Freemartins are a specific type of cow that experiences micro-chimerism and/or altered sex development because they share a placenta with a male twin when the placentas fuse. The male's hormones (testosterone and AMH) end up affecting the female calf's development, which also almost always renders her infertile. Some of the male's chromosomes may cause micro-chimerism as well.
This is not at all comparable to the claim of a "female brain" This is basic ass sex development that trannies love to misrepresent as something other than what it is.

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>>44100969
>Real transsexualism is an intersex condition.
There is no such thing as "an intersex condition". Intersex is not a medical term. Intersex is a sociopolitical term that is used to describe people who have sex characteristics that do not align to cultural definitions of male and female. Neither gender identity nor brains are a sex characteristic, no matter how badly loony troon sociopaths want to skinwalk as and exploit intersex people. Learn what sex characteristics are already and maybe you can learn to actually support intersex people, you selfish retard.

>Consider thinking holistically and objectively instead of emotionally
Hilarious coming from a troon.

>>44100962
Wrong.

>>44100999
yes you can. penis or vagina, male or female

>>44101005
you are ragebaiting or retarded

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

>>44101019
there are only 2 sexes you stupid he/she troon

>>44101029
Nice backpedaling and changing the terms of your claim, faggot

>>44100142
what if im a post operative tranny with a large vagina and surgical breasts?

according to giga chasers known as rod fleming they are sexual inverts, real women in men's body.

>>44100186
socially speaking, you are wrong

>>44101059
>male female penis vagina one two
>backpedaling
your brain must've been fried by gender ideology retarded shemale

>>44101076
there are people who have penises alongside uteruses and ovaries that kick on at puberty and they start bleeding out their dick

there are people who have something not quite either
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279085/figure/congn-adren-hp-emerg.F2/

you are retarded or ragebaiting

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hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

>>44101091
you can easily identify sex at birth. there are penises and vaginas, if in between then the doctors have a duty to make surgical corrections as soon as possible. it's what's best for these children lest their minds be taken by radical gender ideologues such as yourself

>>44101101
ok so youre retarded and ragebaiting got it
pathetic troon, this is your last (you)

>>44101091
PLEASE stop taking the bait and just let this slop thread die anon

>>44100834
>I am so tired of dumbfuck trannies not caring to learn jackshit about us
Well hey, you don't bother to learn anything about them and just spend your time being an anti here, so why the fuck would anyone bother investing effort for your sake?

>>44101108
you will never be a woman silly troon
there are 2 sexes and they are identified at birth

>>44101109
They came in here to join with the terf in screaming at trannies, them getting baited in turn is karmic if anything.

>>44101113
I know plenty about gender ideology and trannies, retard. Most trannies are just insufferably annoying narcissists that don't even understand the shit they've staked their life and entire personality on. Most of them don't know jackshit about queer theory, feminism, etc. but act like total authorities on Everything Gender in spite of it, and love to pull out the intersex trap card without any understanding of that either. The trans community is infested with manipulative, attention seeking, self-centered retards that are allergic to any form of effort.

>>44101139
>I know plenty!
>Goes on a huge whiny self-aggrandizing rant

>>44101139
>The trans community is infested with manipulative, attention seeking, self-centered retards that are allergic to any form of effort.
holy projection batman
>queer theory
kek I have a theory, you're a fuckin queer

>>44101126
I'm not a terf I just have extreme trans fatigue because none of you can be normal about intersex people.

>>44101149
>Claims not to be a terf
>Spouts exclusively terf opinions
'k

>>44101154
>"anything i dont understand/like is terf opinions"
you retards are so manipulative and dumb

>>44101147
>kek I have a theory, you're a fuckin queer
cringe retard can't even make an insult. yes, we are all on the faggot board. get a better insult than calling queers queer, you look stupid.

>>44101149
intersex people aren't real. there are 2 genders/sexes
It's really funny you troons going at each other's throats I'M A WOMAN! NO I'M A MAN! NO I'M BOTH!

>>44100214
Shut up baby dick

>>44101169
>Don't understand
You are very understandable, you are an asshole venting about how much you hate trannies because you're frustrated with your own condition and have a big fat ego. Nothing complex there, you've just made yourself exceedingly unlikable but then expect trannies to turn around and kowtow to you like your behavior shouldn't be returned in kind.

>>44101139
Who needs "queer theory" do you like the same gender as you? Congratulations, you just passed Queer Theory courses 1 and 2

>>44101139
you're really obnoxious anon you come on here talking like your intersex status makes you an ultimate authority when you're kind of just a huge piece of shit who contributes nothing of value to this board and only pops in to correct people when you think they've said a le bad thing about intersexuality. you speak in the broadest possible terms about everything on behalf of your entire community and it's so insufferable. you come off less as the sensible bystander you try to paint yourself and more as a deeply insecure person lashing out against anyone who dares sneeze in the direction of your turf. get over yourself, talk about something other than yourself, stop being an accusatory nuisance, ETC.

>>44101180
Nope, I'm frustrated with statements like these
>>44100969
>>44100243
>>44100291
and trannies tendency to immediately play victim and DARVO anyone who pushes back against their exploitation, lying, or ill treatment of others.

cool example of literally that exact same phenomena on display in yourself too!

>>44101180
this

>>44101186
to be fair you need to have a very high IQ to understand queer theory. the difference between being a top or bottom is very subtle, and without a grasp of theoretical faggotry, most of the kinks will go over a typical straight person's head.

>>44101188
seethe harder about being called out, troon

>>44101198
>Play victim
Sorry but I think that applies to the anon coming into the tranny hate thread to scream about hating trannies, then recoiling and using their intersexuality as a shield when the trannies tell them to fuck off for being a hater. You came here to start shit and condemn trannies universally. You are not a victim here.

>>44101188
this please, intersex anon is so fucking insufferable i physically roll my eyes whenever i see this person in a thread, genuine contender for most annoying person on the board right next to gincel.

>>44101186
>>44101204
you people are uneducated morons and don't even recognize simple terminology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theory

>>44101206
>im calling you out troon
>you troons are such manipulators
>youre darvoing me youre literally an abuser troon
>youre exploiting me troon
VICTIM

BRAINED

VICTIM

>>44101212
oh no, insecure transbian doesnt like the evil mean intersex poster than corrects misinformation trannies love to propagate for years on end, waaaahhh, how evil

>>44101223
im not trans retard

>>44101211
>You came here to start shit and condemn trannies universally.
Wrong. Like basically everything else you say.

>>44101231
You helpfully marked all of your posts with a flag, we can all see what you're doing.

>>44101231
thats literally all you did so far, every clarification every argument has been followed up with or preceded by a "fuck trannies i fucking hate trannies"

>>44101211
>the anon coming into the tranny hate thread to scream about hating trannies

I came here because I search this site for intersex and see every post on all the boards that contain "intersex". One of the replies in to this thread said intersex. So now I am here. Nothing to do with trannies. Trannies just love to bring up intersex people despite their total lack of interest in actually learning about intersex people.

>>44101213
you don't even know the basics of queer theory, you fucking poser. I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in queer theory, I've been involved in numerous gay pride parades, and I have over 300 pozzed up bottoms

>>44101243
Cus trannies can't be normal about intersex people and employ lies and misrepresentation as if intersex people prove the stupid bullshit they claim. No one else loves to say the word intersex more than a tranny.

>>44101257
Is it normal to scream and rant about hating trannies all day long like you're a severely repressed Republican congressman?

>>44101257
ah okay then so you came in here and functionally have only shit on trannies the entire time and now youre playing the victim thank you for clearing that up

>>44101250
if gynecomastia is an intersex condition then transsexuality is an intersex condition. if you would not consider gynecomastia an intersex condition then i am fine with the idea that transsexuality is not. i am, however, still wildly unamused with your demeanor.

>>44101257
>scours the board for the word intersex
>oh my god these trannies cant stop talking about us!!!! this is direct oppression against me that's definitely causing real harm to real human beings and totally not at worst a stupid misuse of terminology i should brush off and move on with my day from

>>44101251
What the hell did you just say about me, you uninformed heteronormative footnote? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in Queer Theory and Gender Studies, and I've participated in numerous clandestine reading groups on performativity, with over 300 peer-reviewed citations to my name. I am trained in intersectional analysis, and I'm the top discourse deconstructor in the entire graduate cohort. You are nothing to me but another undercooked take. I will dismantle your argument with a level of rhetorical precision the likes of which has never been seen in this seminar, mark my words. You think you can get away with posting that comment online? Think again. As we speak, I'm contacting my secret network of trans, intersex, nonbinary, and queer academics across the globe, and your bibliography is being cross-checked right now, so you better prepare for the storm, bestie. The storm that erases that pathetic little thing called your sense of being correct. You're academically done, kid. I can be at any symposium, any pride march, any community potluck, and I can explain the social construction of gender in over seven hundred ways-and that's before I even open the recommended reading list. Not only am I extensively trained in critical theory, but I have complete access to the entire university library's digital archives, and I will use them to their full extent to annotate your post into oblivion. If only you had known what dialectical consequences your little "gotcha" comment was about to unleash, maybe you would have stuck to lurking.

>>44101274
There is no such thing as "an intersex condition". Intersex is not a medical term.

>if gynecomastia is an intersex condition then transsexuality is an intersex condition
"If cats are animals then you have to consider dogs cats" is how stupid you sound.

>>44101262
>>44101263
>>44101288
delusional seething faggots that cant handle facing their own wrongdoings can eat my ass

>>44101291
chatgpt, rewrite the navy seal copypasta about gender theory, but make it boring and unfunny

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>>44101296
i'm dearly sorry, all-knowing intersexer. allow me to atone: if gynecomastia is a difference of sexual development, then transsexuality is a difference of sexual development.

>>44101305
whatever you tell yourself babe <3 mhm you could do no wrong you know all about us anonymous users on 4chan you got us allll figured out arent you the smartest thing?

>>44101311
Intersex is not synonymous with DSD.
You can have an innate variation in sex characteristics (IVSC) without having one of the conditions that counts as a DSD.
Inherently linking intersex people to medical categories and medical authority is a no-no in intersex rights. We are not to be defined by doctors or medical categories.

>then transsexuality is a difference of sexual development
Does not fit the definition of a disorder of sex development; this category only pertains to disorders in the fetal development of the reproductive organs.
Trannies have normal reproductive organs. They do not have a development of sex disorder, they just have an identity associated with the opposite sex organs than the ones they have. There is no impairment to their sex organs.

>>44101311
So, gyno counts as intersex to the annoying intersex anon? If that's the case, having gyno before transitioning would count? That seems so fucking weird to me when taking HRT would've made someone grow breasts regardless to the point there's no way to tell if they had them before unless you asked.

>>44101332
>So, gyno counts as intersex to the annoying intersex anon?
Correct, because the socially constructed narrative around sex says "males should not have breasts; that is a female sex characteristic" and otherwise deems a person who has gynecomastia as male. This is what leads to the pressure for him to take hormones or surgically remove his breasts, to better conform to the idea of male/boy/man that society imposes on him. This is what intersex is about; the innate, natural possession of sex traits that society says are "not for your sex".

>>44101320
anon, you seem to be working very hard to dodge my actual point. it is fair enough not to stake your identity in medicine, but i think the translation is still pretty obvious. since you insist on being obtuse though, i can spell it out: if a person with gynecomastia is intersex, a transsexual is intersex.
>Does not fit the definition of a disorder of sex development
well it's a sure good fucking thing i qualified my statement with an *if* then, isn't it? oh, but you aren't interested in responding in good faith, just in nitpicking and linguistic domination.

>>44101343
Alright, then I'm currently intersex by your definition because I do have it. Would I suddenly lose that status were I to transition?

>>44101343
>This is what intersex is about; the innate, natural possession of sex traits that society says are "not for your sex".
the sex trait i possess that society says is not for my sex is a female neurosex. they deny my possession of it because it is 'not for my sex', they deny me a place in the woman social group that i am naturally inclined to be a member of because it is 'not for my sex', they call me a fetishist if i wear the clothes i enjoy because they are 'not for my sex'. all these challenges are directly caused by my possession of this sex trait. not to rain on your parade anon, but this post makes me more convinced i'm intersex...

>>44101349
>if a person with gynecomastia is intersex, a transsexual is intersex.
"if a cat is an animal, a dog is a cat" bullshit again. You can keep crying and saying you want this to be true, it does not make it so.
I responded to your every point. You just don't like the truth so now you will try some manipulative bullshit.

Gender identity is not a sex characteristic. Trannies do not have any unusual sex characteristics. They have an identity that does not match their sex characteristics.

>>44101352
If it is legitimate gyno as in feminine glandular tissue growth and not just fat, yes, that can possibly be considered intersex. The main criteria is if society/culture would recognize the person's anatomy (with regards to sex characteristics) as "wrong" for their "sex".

>>44101373
>If it is legitimate gyno as in feminine glandular tissue growth
It is, but that's not the question I asked you. If I transition, would I no longer count as intersex?

ITT trannies getting btfod by facts and logic.

>>44101352
>Would I suddenly lose that status were I to transition?
No, intersex people do not become non-intersex by transitioning anymore than a trans woman becomes a cis woman by transitioning. Intersex people cannot become endosex, even if we consensually modify or have our sex traits modified against our will. We just become an intersex person with sex traits changed to align to binary ideals (or to our own ideals).

>>44101373
>"if a cat is an animal, a dog is a cat" bullshit again.
no anon, you actually just switched it. i said "if A is X, B is X." you said "if A is X, B is A." see the difference? try try again.
>Gender identity is not a sex characteristic.
neurosex is a sex characteristic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you could have just said you don't believe in neurosex in the first place anon we didn't have to do this whole song and dance.

>>44101380
I forgot to respond to that part, sorry. I realized right after I clicked reply. See: >>44101385

>>44101385
So intersex people can be trans by your definition, if they were intersex before transitioning. Isn't it then pretty reductive of you to claim that trans people are universally engaging in stolen valor, or bad/hostile/ignorant or any other way to cast the general attitude you've presented towards trans people in this thread? Since by your own admission, that would include trans people who are also intersex in your condemnation, such as myself.

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>>44101371
>>44101387
that's not a sex characteristic you fucking retard ass skinwalking monogloid. learn what sex traits are and stop exploiting intersex people.

It’s really not that important whatever the biological definition of trans people. Trans women are women when they are perceived as women and they are men when they are perceived as men. We can change the way we think about gender in order to see trans women who don’t pass as women. As someone who’s been on HRT for over 10 years and spent lots of time around trannies I can tell you with certainty that most are very clearly women.

>>44101398
bitch we are on 4chan and i am also some flavor of trans. i do not give a fuck.

>>44101401
it's not essential to reproduction but i suppose it's more of a primary sex characteristic since we have it from birth. i'm already aware that mainstream medical science does not really acknowledge the concept of neurosex, certainly not enough to include it in definitions of intersex, so i don't really know what this image is supposed to do for me. i think if/when the day comes that it is acknowledged it'll be pretty easy to consider a sex characteristic given that 99% of females have a female neurosex and 99% of males have a male neurosex.

>>44101407
I mean far be it from me to judge if you just enjoy ranting, I just don't see the point in putting on airs of it being principled or justified if that's the case.

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>>44101404
>We can change the way we think about gender in order to see trans women who don’t pass as women.
That's actually sex traits and if you dumbfuck troons could talk about something other than gender gender gender or take five minutes to listen to intersex people you'd see how this shit impacts you too, but lmao, you're all too busy neurotically skinwalking and avoiding any discuss of "sex" like the plague.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_characteristics_(legal_term)

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>>44101404
>Trans women are women when they are perceived as women and they are men when they are perceived as men.
Are the animals in my pic also leafs?

>>44101414
i hope you never pass, you obstinate, exploitative, skinwalking sociopath troon copelord
i wish you a lifetime of dysphporia

>>44101424
AM I WRONG?? i just don't understand why this idea is so violently offensive to you. i really don't get it. i don't have some crazy obsession with larping as intersex i never actually use that term to describe myself, but it's usually pretty obvious to any transsexual that neurosex exists. and we have science to back that idea up, like what dear sweet maid guy was posting. it is a popular theory here because it explains our experiences very well, i'm sorry it upsets you so goddamn much.

>>44101434
>AM I WRONG??
yes you are wrong and i have told you this over and over but you want to keep lying and manipulating and talking about your retarded ass conspiracy theories, so go fuck yourself and rot in your dysphoric hell, skinwalking narcissist.

>>44101443
omg its not a conspiracy theory its literally a popular belief among trannies thats why so many of us think we're intersex DUMBASS

>>44101460
you all think you're intersex because you don't know the meaning of the word and plug your ears and scream when intersex people try to teach you it, because you found a great source of copium for the dysphoria you feel over your normal male sex characteristics and total absence of female ones in spite of your identity

> conspiracy theories
Imagine chimping out because the data don't say what you want them to say

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>>44101471
is the data in the room with us right now?

>>44101213
Don't recognize, or don't care? Because I genuinely do not give a shit. I'm queer because I'm queer. I'm trans because i'm trans. You can debate all you want about what that means *to you* or whether or not it's acceptable, but I don't give a shit because I don't know you, you aren't in my life, therefore I do not value your opinion. Get over it puss puss

On what basis do you reject the idea that neurosex can exist?

>>44101422
Trannies would rather do anything than learn about their own rights and understand self-identification can be the only measurement of who is or isn't a man or woman, until the categories themselves are no longer forced on us. They would rather do five thousand backflips and overly medicalize/pathologize their own community and cannibalize intersex ones just for a mere taste of feeling valid. They would throw away their own rights just for the imagined scenario where someone thinks they really are a man or woman based on some arbitrary criteria.

>>44100869
>like depression.
Oh gee, I wonder why that would be?

You are thoughtless.

>>44101486
"I don't care!!! See how much I dont care!! I wrote a huge post to tell you how much I don't care!!"

you are hilariously pathetic

>>44101469
>when intersex people
is that code language for yourself?
>because you found a great source of copium for the dysphoria
bitch idc im transitioning either way its truly irrelevant its just literally the theory that makes the most sense to me im sorry.
>and total absence of female ones
except my neurosex
>in spite of your identity
you mean my neurosex. identity... it's such a stupid term for it, to me. why would i with no external prompting have crippling dypshoria? just because i have some 'identity' floating around that i evidently have no awareness of or control over? it's the dumbest thing ever, i don't believe that shit no.

>>44101521
you are like a dog that gets triggered when you hear "bath" said so the owner has to spell it out b-a-t-h instead of saying it in order to keep the dog from having a panic attack. except you get triggered when you hear "gender identity" now and need to reword it as "neurosex" to feel more valid/not blow your own brains out or something. truly mental illness and cope at work here.

>>44100142
Imagine sneaking a qt ladyboy to the room on dl, trying to play it cool so you atleast have some plausible deniability for the other tourists
>no i swear bruv i didn't know she had a dick until after she blew me
>but you know what they say, when in rome
Then the guards hands you this

>>44101536
it is an important distinction because neurosex is a sex characteristic, while 'identity' is not. i assumed that was obvious...

>>44100834
Sex is multi-factorial and composed of various traits.
Chromosomes are discrete and non-binary.
Sex-based epigenetics, sex hormone levels, anatomy of internal genitalia, anatomy of external genitalia, and secondary sexual characteristics are all continuous and non-binary
Gametes ARE binary.
Neurosex is not yet recognized widely but there is reason to consider it as continuous and non-binary as well.

With that being said, sex is still """binary""" in its DISTRIBUTION. It is bimodal with the majority of people falling within "all traits are on the F side" or "all traits are on the M side."

Transsexuals are likely to have atypical neurosex, and the process of medical transition plainly and simply changes epigenetics, sex hormone levels, secondary sex characteristics, and aspects of both internal and external genitalia. So that is to say, transsexuals DO change their sex because sex is complex and also a spectrum :)

>>44101547
tl;dr: + see >>44101536 + you're retarded and endosex + see >>44101492

>>44100186
why are you here?

>>44101553
I'm glad you contributed to this discussion with a level-headed response that engaged with what I said ^_^