im a philly trans man i totally get you. I feel like no one is dedicated to their masculinity anymore in this community. I dont want to be rude to people expressing themselves either but I feel like my defenition of trans has to be different then people who enjoy being feminine! i feel like a lot of these trans guys care more about what boys care about them or something. im bad at verbalizing my point but Its good to see a brother here in the trenches haha

>>44100335
>Oh my god I love you. I really expected to get called a pooner faggot on here but it's nice to see someone else agreeing with me. I never really wanted to be a person who was like "to be a trans man you HAVE to be 100% masculine no femininity whatsoever" but some of these people test my patience. Heavy on the caring what boys think, idk, a lot of them just kinda give male centered girls.

There's some that are just he/him lesbians but then there's the irony that someone who has been on HRT, has had top surgery, etc. would still identify as a lesbian as opposed to the hyperfem people I mentioned earlier.

If I were off my medication and more pissed I would go on a coke rant about this but none of those conditions are fulfilled

>>44100390
haha i love you too you have a good way of writing you seem intellectual and im super high. i really resonate with you man theres not a lot of us out here and you really get it. lgbt hates to see the trans guys prevail.

Maybe its just because ive always been a lesbian when i was a girl but the male gaze has totally ruined our community. What being a man means to me gets so terribly minimized by these bisexual emo chicks at the house shows i go to with the fucking temu bracelet stack talking about some he/him pronouns. Just because you like yaoi doesnt make you a man. I mean theres no way someone who would ever wear that much eye makeup understands what its like to be born in the wrong body because the clearly feel fine in the one they were given.
I know being trans isn't characterized by insecurity but dysphoria is what makes it real.
also sorry if your gay i don't mean you.

At the end of the day its anyones choice to sat what they want but i dont respect people who lie for the quirk. Even if theyre lying to themselves. ramble ramble i appreiciate you

>>44100282
>at the very least I have social skills
this makes all the difference with all queer people actually.
those who have social skills will overall fare better but will necessarily have to excise themselves from the queer ghetto.
doesn't matter if you're a tranny, pooner, faggot, enby, or w/e. if you have social skills, you inevitably realize that the queer ghetto is built for arrested development terminal shut-ins and retards.
the solution is to fuck off from the queer ghetto. if you can stealth, do that and forget about all of these people.

femininity is desireable and safe and protected and always welcome in society and communities so trans "men" dont want to give it up

masculinity is a torture ritual that is violently inflicted upon men by women and the girly pooners are afraid of being seen as the subhuman monsters that they say all amabs are

the later you get in your transition the less welcome you will be in any lgbt spaces because the feminine ftms and straight girls will remove you by force for being an icky gross moid and not the soft beautiful correct moral gender

>>44100550
I have never seen one of these hyper feminine versions of a trans man fully transition they usually just let it fizzle out until they find another way to seem different. Maybe fake autisim.

>>44100581
It's not, you know you can even be cis and still desire some but not all of the sexual characteristics of the opposite sex. So what's so bad with a transman wanting to be feminine in some ways? You know especially since that's how you are born

>>44100498
I guess this is the same regardless of where you're at lol, I'm in NYC. Thank you for calling me intellectual that is something I haven't been called in a while LOL even though I am kind of incomprehensible. You went into the exact specifics that I was thinking of. I think the whole discourse of "You dont need dysphoria to be trans!!11!11" or I guess general lack of gatekeeping has made in-person queer circles the way they are now but I guess in a few years whatever the next topic is will get appropriated by theyfabs/whoever.
On paper I'm T4T but I use moids for money and mostly sleep with trans women and all the trans men I've spoken to on grindr have been socially inept or flakey :(

>>44100499
The older I get the more and more I understand this. When I was a teenager/also living in a transphobic country, having a community or I guess trans/queer people in my circle was a huge need for me but then I actually started hanging out in queer-heavy spaces and felt really weird and annoyed with everyone. It really did take having normie friends to realize that it wasn't just me being antisocial. And the ones that can socialize are not trans as in >>44100550 girly pooners that were mentioned by the other anon. They either fake autism or BPD or whatever other mental illness that's trending on the social medias these days.

I live in a relatively conservative area in nyc, but I still enjoy living here far more than the times I spend in Bushwick/the queer bubbles whenever I go out clubbing. Everyone's brains are rotted.

>>44100611
>I use moids for money
fembrain

disrespecting men is the most fembrained thing an ftm could do

>>44100646
Nah its based to disrespect cisoids

>>44100674
The majority of men have an unconditional and unspoken tiny level of respect for each other given only by their capability for violence. You don't understand this because you've never had your life genuinely at risk because masculinity is an optional choice and game for you.

>>44100674
I ride for my niggas I die for my niggas

>>44100689
Would being an inherently violent, rapey misogynistic pooner cancel out the fembrain?

>>44100717
unironically yes

>>44100282
i love trupoons

>>44100689
I don't care. i'd rather live in a trans only commune than participate in cissociety.

>>44100737
Nobody outside this place is gonna take you seriously

>>44100717
>inherently violent
Men are taught violence against each other by women because women are attracted to violent high status men and reward men with sex and affection and power for attacking and killing undesireable men at the behest of women. Men aren't born misogynists, they learn it from realizing the game is rigged against them, and women are the only winners, and women are the ones sobbing and moaning the most about being the victims of gender roles that they enforce.

>>44100722
My OCD makes me do that. So would that cancel out the one time I had sex with a cisoid for cash or am i ngmi?

>>44100744
not even in this place most don't take most poons seriously. there's no need to, lol

>>44100744
I'm 6ft youngshit, I don't have to worry about what cisoids think of me. I also don't vocalise my dislike of cis people off the internet.

>6 foot woman
>youngshit
You sound demented.

>>44100777
You're no better than anyone else here faggot.

>>44100786
I actually am.

>>44100777
That twink status of yours will shrivel away along with your hairline and dirty asshole.

>>44100793
I don't bald and I don't have sex. I am just that nigga.

>>44100611
id totally sleep with a tgirl. I unfortunatly do have the classic short and kind of fat tguy archetype but its ok some girls dig me. Most people think im a masc lesbian when they hear my voice which is ok with me because sometimes it feels like being seen as trans makes me feminine in a way. I think because being trans is kind of gay haha.

Its kind of a power move to my more masculine as a supposed woman (even though id like to come out one day) then all these larpy trans folX in this city. Like what you said about trans men lesbians.

I think queer spaces are important but people like us, who live in big cities, are not gonna have a hard time finding a gay person. My closest friends are queer baiting emo guys and my best friend is a straight girl that gets me. IDK how to do green text but like you said, social skills are important. Friends are important!

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>>44100826
Oh my goodness I missed you! Sorry if I kind of indirectly insulted you on my original post (ab being fat). Tgirls are fun when they aren't bitchy or generally socially inept like we talked about before, lol. A little bit of it is charming but that also might be my controlling dom side coming out. I know what you mean about being seeing as trans making you feel feminine. Feels very emasculating, along with getting they/themed by cis people or outed by aforementioned socially inept trannies.

I guess back on track to what I was talking about, but I've lived in places outside the US (getting stoned to death for even implying youre gay kind of places) as well as deep red republican shithole states and the connections I've made there with queer people have been way more meaningful. Maybe because not being openly trans/queer = you have to think of other aspects of your personality instead. and obviously it all depends depends depends cuz there's people who Can't pretend to be cis or give cis ppl the benefit of the doubt. but I'm sure you know what I mean.

The whole transplant discourse is overdone atp but so many people just move here bc its their queer playground and then proceed to act like retards. Like of course there's transphobic states and you gotta go to places where you can transition but I'm not talking about these people!! Theyfab in one of my past circles dropped out of school to host parties in Ridgewood and do coke. I'm sure Philly has it's own share of that kind of behavior. I would respect if these people would at least work full time, pursue some kind of education or actually meaningfully engage in the communities that they find their sublets in, cause they're too bummy to qualify for a lease on their own. But they don't. It's always just gofundmes. Sometimes I wish that people realized they don't have to immedietly move to NYC or wherever, that there are other metro areas with arguably better queer communities (but that depends of course.)

>>44100717
Yes, but in my personal opinion a man should always develop virtue, part of which includes looking for good role models

>>44100959
lolll anon you have such a way with words. Its alright btw, im not insulted, its true. Thats interesting you say youre a dom I was just being a chuddy little incel earlier in another thread talking to someone about how I honestly have no idea if t-guys are usually doms. Girlbrained as it is I truly am not one, which sucks cuz I feel like tgirls are always like into some submissive puppy play shit. Cis girls are usually kind of dominant at least. Anyways lol

I like how you said the gofundme thing that is SO true. I am not an oldhead by any means, honestly im barely legal, but damn I still see it all the time. Ill be on campus thinking to myself when did gay people suddenly get so disabled?

I do really love Philly but I personally could give a shit about queer spaces. Im sure im just spoiled and maybe i need a stoning but I feel fine with my straight or bi or whatever friends.

Also- I think people are too nice to bisexual cis women with boyfriends.
Thanks for missing me I feel like im writing back home while I fight the war.

For all intents and purposes I'm a verse switch, I dom mostly because a lot of people don't (like you said, tgirl puppy play runs rampant) but I do get some genuine enjoyment out of it, lol. I'm skinny-ish but my thighs are mostly muscle so strapping is usually pretty easy/a fun workout. I actually do not have much experience with cis girls, to be honest. I sext with a couple now and then but nothing physical besides some flirting here and there. I think YOU have a way with words! I barely get to talk to trans guys with the same views/feelings as me IRL so this has been very, very nice.

I'm not a crazy oldhead either, just figured out from an early age because unrestricted internet access as a kid -> identifying as trans before i even experienced dysphoria. It wasn't a fun experience going through puberty like that though!
Honestly it was really weird, because when I was a senior in highschool we had a wave of openly trans freshmen and I became sort of the trans elder for them. The only one that didn't end up detransitioning was a guy very much shares the same opinions as us albeit he was definitely a lot more misogynistic and had a lot of mental issues that made him pretty anti-social; the fact that he wasn't able to get on HRT/surgery until after he turned 18 did not help, rondefaggot. I was his only friend for a while but the last time I spoke to him he was finally able to transition and is a lot happier.

I don't really know where all the chronic illness comes out! A quote from a very wise friend of mine:
>You people aren't chronically ill you just sit at home all day and eat mcdonalds
As shitty as the economy is rn most people making these gofundmes are not victims of it.

People here sometimes go down to Philly for shows. Not a big raver desu I'm too lazy but I do love substances of all kinds and I love to travel so maybe I'll come visit eventually. I'm running out of space but fuck bi girls w/ bfs lol.

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>>44101528
Maybe you can teach me how to land a tgirl, unc. I don't know why but I am very drawn to them.. something about a woman that's twice my height and a horrible songwriter.

Honestly IRL im just a lesbian that looks like a boy but in my soul I really do want to be a man. Most people can tell and every once in a while I come on here and kinda pretend to myself I did transition. Something in the titos and insomnia is telling me to attach a pic so yeah kidnap me i guess. I don't want to medically transition because i know it probably wont work. (No, offense, it works for a lot of people) In a way it feels more humiliating to have everyone know i'm trans.

Im glad your friend is happy. And I understand anyone, whether it be politician or mysogynist, that is scared of trans people. It truly is a wild premise. Imagine how strange it must be to watch people mutilate themselves for such a trivial reason if you didnt understand it. But unfortunetly I totally get it and it is a mental illness but the cure is transitioning. Clearly i stay internalized lol.
It wouldve been cool to have a trans senior friend as a freshman.

At the end of the day nothing makes me happier then knowing someone found themself. I dont know if your into screamo at all but Philly has a great underground scene, thats where i like to go.

>>44100282
I also live in DC

I feel like there's no space for non-passing but obviously trans MTF man moders. Most of the bars here are cis gay gen or AFAB only.

Can think of one or two, like spark social, that are LGBTQ friendly for everyone.

>>44101714
I'm sure there are already tgirls who find you handsome anon.. maybe even in this thread...

>>44101776
dont make me blush

>>44101787
yessir sorry sir!

every single trans man i've met has had bpd. not sure what to make of this.

>>44101852
well those werent really trans men

The unc title ages me so much but I will accept that role. Unfortunately no titos for me tonight but I will pour one out for you at the birthday dinner I'm going to later today. You can find a lot of tgirls on grindr but it has been very dry on there lately.

>>44101714
Jesus christ anon you look great. I really mean it- >>44101776 the other anon is right.
You kind of remind me of Paul Dano, sorry if that's a weird thing to say. but I MEAN it! you are very handsome and very very appealing to tgirls.

Why do you think transitioning won't work? I understand finding comfort in remaining as a lesbian to people IRL but...
Do you feel like medical transition won't make you fully pass as cis? I don't want to hugbox you but I personally think you already look masculine (I know you mentioned the lesbian looking like a boy thing b4) as in you have a lot of potential and even more than that were you to take the step to transition.

You would be surprised at how much HRT/etc can change your mental body image, even if you feel like it won't right now. You don't seem that old either, judging by the barely legal comment you made earlier.
Or is it more of an internal thing? Like transitioning won't help with whatever's plaguing your heart (sorry for the dumb language) and I'm kind of sleep deprived too so I feel like I'm not making the points I want to make, but if there's any roadblocks whether they're mental or physical I'd like to hear about them. I want to help you. Sorry if that sounds weird lol but I just hate to see a brother in the trenches.

I don't wanna force you to do anything, but I rlly do understand how you feel. I feel like especially considering our views (I guess slightly more "conservative" compared to other trans people) there's a lot of internalized baggage deep in our hearts. This the place to get it out.

@ the screamo stuff sounds interesting. i only know ab the occasional freetekno stuff but when its not hot as balls i'd like to check it out :]

>>44101852
If the masters programs I'm applying to accept me I promise I'll look into it anon. Pinky promise. I'll have you in the dedications section.

>not sure what to make of this
If we're going on a social psychology kind of route, it's the way some of us are brought up. My parents are still together and were both there when I was growing up but my mom specifically had a lot of trauma from her father/immigrating to the US that she took out on me. Definitely made me more of an edgelord and I feel like some of the ways I act in relationships are very much close to her. But I'm also more similar to my dad than anything, it's just that those negative parts do come from her lol.

I didn't really grow up as a "girl," because I was autistic and didn't really have gender roles on my mind at all. I think a lot of trans guys experienced that too, and I think that sometimes cis people, whether they adults or other kids, can catch onto that and treat you differently.
It's very dehumanizing. Now that I'm an adult I can actually verbalize this but I really did feel not human growing up largely cuz I didn't conform to what the standard idea was of being a "girl" and it always felt like something was off with me but I never knew what, even when I first started identifying as trans. ofc the autism had something to do with that as well, but I'm just saying that when we don't fit into the standard gender roles, that DOES affect the way our identities span out and the way other people interact with us. and then we develop weirdly where we don't entirely feel there as people and feel weird about the people in our lives.

DESU bpd does feel kind of fembrained, and I'm saying this as someone who sort of acted like that in the past. I guess cuz all the theyfabs are larping as it now. I don't really care desu I have meds and benzos. I'm grateful to have found you guys that are on the same page as me but that 4chan lingo shit is too much for me to gaf ab sumtimes lol.