>>44138723
yeah thats like half the reason to take the pill. become the gf already

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yeah if you can follow through on it

>>44138725
Whats the other half
>>44138726
In what way to "follow through with it"
Asking to know

Heeeeeeeellloooooooooo

Please speak to me I want to discuss this proposition

>>44138908
Lol you sound more like a tranny than an incel to mr

>>44138929
How exactly? I dont "feel like a woman" whatever that means and I dont want an axe wound

>>44138947
Just by the way you talk. Do you have a lot of tranny friends?

>>44138958
I dont have a single tranny friend
Well I dont have a single friend at all
I dont understand the thing about talking you say

>>44138961
I dunno it's just the manner of your speech sounds familiar as another tranny to me

>>44138964
I dont see it at all
I talk like a guy

>>44138974
Maybe you can talk like a guy but you dont seem like one

>>44138979
Elaborate properly

>>44138723
transitioning won't fix your problem, unless your problem is that deep down you were meant to be a woman.

>>44138989
I think youre just a trans girl and maybe a little embarrassed

>>44138990
I dont want to be sexless forever though but becoming a gymmaxxer isnt for me because Im short and I dont like being the hypothetical active role in a relationship because Im shy
>>44138999
I already said >>44138947 this

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>>44139008
>I dont like being the hypothetical active role in a relationship because Im shy
You're gonna be cute, don't worry.

>>44139008
if your concern is that you are sexless and lonely, even if you're a short king, please just try actually talking to women first.

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>>44139027
>Short king
Fuck off with this foid psyop word
Im sick of it
>>44139024
How hard would this be

>>44138723
i was a short incel, taking hrt made me feel and look better but if you have a giga manly face you will probably feel worse about yourself. also you are still probably going to be an incel except maybe marginally better chances within a much smaller pool of people that mostly want anal sex and might have aids so. still worth a try imo

>>44139182
I dont have a manly face

>>44139159
>How hard would this be
It will take years and a lot of work and stress. You'll feel like an imposter and everyone will treat you like shit. But if it's what your really want for yourself deep down, it's worth it.

>>44138723
ethical af

>>44138723
Based if androphilic cringe if transbian

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>>44139557
I mean I have no chance with women already nothing would change as a troon
>>44139222
This doesnt sound very good

>>44139586
Okay but who do you want to be in that picture?

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>>44138723
That's what I did and it worked out in the end. If you're okay with becoming someone's wife then you have nothing to lose.

>>44139674
this is the holy and righteous path that all crusaders should seek to tread

being a troon sucks ass in almost every way except dating and sex. especially if you're into trannies and live in a liberal area, it's a cheat code to go from years of no sex and being treated as completely undesirable to being able to pull autistic girls with dicks easily. it's also stupid easy to pull men bc men fuck anything but you can already just so that on grindr, but it feels so much less weird and you can avoid twink death and stay feminine so you still won't end up with the expectation to be a man. you need to get on injections specifically and it's going to take awhile to get cute and squishy but it's worth it imo. and no you do not have to get snipped down there, if anything not wanting a vagina makes you way more desirable as a tranny in the sexual marketplace.

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>>44139630
Is it not obvious to infer my answer from what I said so far
Even if I was a chad I could not pull of that lifestyle so being the woman there would be easier since I could have someone do everything for me and still love me
But idk if this happens to troons
>>44139674
Actually please tell me everything in excruciating details I want to know it all

>>44139716
But what do you want?

btw I've never seen a cis man who wasn't an androphile avatarfag like that lmao

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>>44139731
I want to be loved and desired and taken care of
Probably stems from the fact my parents already coddled me a lot which led to me losing any ability to be a functional adult now and I cant accept anything lower than this treatment even if Im undesirable rn
>Avatarfag
Its just a relevant character if you know the show
>>44139712
I dont feel like having sex with troons

>>44139791
I do not know the show

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>>44139795
Guy and his childhood best friend are going home from a work office party, then the guy starts crying hiw nobody loves him and wishes he was a beautiful woman so everyone would swoon over him, then a goddess appears and teleports them to a fantasy world, but not before changing the guy into the girl
Its a comedy romance, and the guy immediately uses his new appearance and charms to act like a woman instead of a depressed guy

>>44139841
>>44139795
Its kino can recommend

>>44139841
is it holy and straight monogamous romance?

>>44139882
Its straight and its monogamous

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>>44139716
>please tell me everything in excruciating details
About which parts?
>>44139791
>want to be loved and desired and taken care of
Any relationship is a two way street, whether you troon or not. You won't be taken care of unless you take care of them too (even if in different ways)
>Its just a relevant character if you know the show
NTA, but not really? She was given the choice to stay as a guy again or go back to being a girl, and she chose the latter (despite knowing her partner would still pursue her regardless of her gender).

>>44139889
HOLY BASED
finally
androphilic tranny fiction that isn't a joke at the expense of the tranny

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>>44139904
>About which parts?
Everything about your journey and life and how it is now, if youre married and such money situation live the tranny drugs etc
>take care of them too (even if in different ways)
I assumed as much but what would I need to do actually or generally because I dont think I would be the moneymaker

>>44139904
AND SHE WAS RIGHT TO DO SO
do you have a crush on your childhood friend?

>>44139966
I (OP) genuinely never had a friend so I had nobody to crush on under the context of childhood friend

>>44139977
you should pursue wholesome boymoder romance then

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>>44139977
>>44140035
Okay I kinda lied, I did not have any friends yes, but in high school this one guy who was nice to me more than anyone else was someone I kinda liked
But Im not in high school for years now and havent seen him in years either
He was the only one I actually managed to talk about anime with. I remember geeking out to him about Overlord of all things and he wasnt judgemental at least to me directly

>>44139841
>>44139911
I bet this is one of those "nip repper writes what she knows" situations since nip culture is sometimes much more rarted about realizing that dysphoria is a thing

>>44140073
Actually its a married woman writing and her married man drawing the manga

>>44140065
Okay you're an androphile
have fun finding a husband who will marry you and get you pregnant!

>>44140155
How do you infer that from my post

>>44140181
you reek of bottom behavior

>>44140187
Elaborate on that immediately

>>44140155
>you like cute anime girls therefore you're androphilic
What kind of mental illness is that?

>>44140318
not actually why he's an androphile but ok
>>44140191
it's vibes but also non-androphiles don't exactly consider transition to find love from men...

>>44140330
No please tell me what are those vibes in more details

>>44140382
You seem needy, like you look up to and admire real men, that you just want to be held and kissed and loved by one and also you just kinda gushed over a guy

>>44140388
Maybe this is all because Im so lonely and attention starved

>>44140514
maybe
But why don't you tell me about this guy. What else was he like? What did you like about him?

>>44140525
Well he was nice to me in our interactions which is more than most even if he held me at a distance, and he had a calm voice and an athletic build and helped me a few times with stuff and once told some other guy to stop harassing me
He was the only person in my life who wasnt outright hostile to my existence I suppose

>>44140548
Tell me about his hair and face.
Could you see yourself dating him if he asked you out?

I was like you op but then I transitioned and got a bf and I'm happy

desu I stopped being as pathetic too over anyway time just because living as an adult requires taking a bit more initiative

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>>44140596
He had short dark hair but he would always have enough to actually tie it into a little ponytail without much dangling and he had one of the best faces around I think, a good balance of a mans face without it being just barbarian
He always had a girlfriend though
>>44140635
Im pathetic because of my autism and because my parents always coddled me and now as a working age adult I have no experience in anything besides light housekeeping and I live renting on neetbux but I miss having people do everything for me

>>44140699
You should definitely work some. Maybe Starbucks or Amazon for that sweet sweet insurance.

How does the idea of him running his hands through your hair sound? Or putting his hand on your waist as he walks you around town?

>>44140733
Im not American so this Amazon insurance is useless for me, its state paid here if youre jobless because its mandatory by law to have insurance anyway
He actually once did actually touch my hair with his hands to ruffle it gently as a joke but back then mine was much shorter than today

>>44140762
Still, you should find work...

Would you want him to do it again?

>>44140786
I would like something gentler

>>44140801
What if he pulled you in for a kiss?

sorry if I'm fujoing out too much

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>>44140806
Well I never had a kiss or held hands or had someone love me or sex or anything of those sorts

>>44140819
I'm not asking that

Would you want HIM to kiss you? To gently grab your head and press his lips against yours?

>>44141021
Well maybe back then
But thinking about it now, he is long gone
I have no contact left

>>44141036
Remember, this is hypotheticals.

If it could have happened, would you have wanted it to?

>>44141115
He seems too low IQ to understand hypotheticals

OP how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>44138723
>ethical
no such thing. if you want it then it's ethical. the opinions of retards online dont matter
>smart
>doable
it's doable if you have the discipline to pull it off. even more doable if you're into men.
>too passive in everything
see, this can be an issue.
trannymaxxing is a malebrained project. done right, it works out great. done with half measures and wallowing in self pitty, it does more harm than good.
t. ransmaxxer

>>44141159
well HSTS are dumber on average than AGPs...

>>44140330
>non-androphiles don't exactly consider transition to find love from men...
nta but speak for yourself, lol.
granted, this belief makes sense because those of us who do it rarely talk about it later (where would we? lol)

>>44141197
I mean repressed androphilia > unrepressed androphilia is still androphilia.

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>>44141115
>>44141159
I mean I think if I had a positive social life I would not turn out so fucked over, including a relationship with someone who is nice to me
I suppose yes
Also I ate this morning already
>>44141173
Okay what do you recommend I do, I meant passive more in a relationship type context and social rather than fully just lazy but yeah

>>44141237
op you are confirmed stupid and a manlover
perfect HSTS specimen

>>44141237
>what do you recommend I do
I gotta go and the thread might not be up when I come back.
But you can start with small things. Get a theatre class on mannerisms. Start voicetraining. Learn to walk, talk, move and react more femininely. You can do this without anyone knowing and you can practice in public.
Start saving up money. Trannymaxxing isn't cheap.
>passive more in a relationship type context
start looking for ways to remodel your sexuality not only to be more passive but to enjoy it (hrt helps but it's not magic, you still need to mentally transition).
and, yeah, date men.

>>44141224
>repressed androphilia
neah.
I didn't find men even noticeable, let alone hot, prior to 2019 or so.

>>44141249
Dont call me stupid, Ive heard enough people in my life call me that
I dont like it
>>44141260
>Get a theatre class on mannerisms
But isnt this only for women? Wont a guy being there be awkward?

>>44141279
But did you troon out specifically to date men or was it incidental after the fact?
>>44141297
Okay I won't but frankly you need to kiss a boy and report back with the results

>>44141304
I cant right now

>>44141764
you should ASAP

>>44141304
>>44141764
This is why I browse this board love these kind of threads

>>44141795
You should kiss OP if you are a boy

>>44141845
Im a manlet on hrt, might not be what op is looking for but im also in a similar spot of confusion, so it could be good for both of us tbf

>>44141899
you should both find and kiss boys then

>>44141914

Uhh, post rel.
>>>/lgbt/>>44140098

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>>44141786
Well I cant because I have nobody
>>44141899
How did your process go and life change so far

>>44142027
>>44141998
Local queer clubs may be good. I'm an oldshit but have bad luck with guys flirting with me (and I shoot them down because I have a bf).

Intimacy can be really scary. Still haven't had sex with the aforementioned bf because of it. But kissing and cuddling is easier.

You were born in a body of untold potential, but have allowed your inner motive force to be corrupted through years of masturbation. You will not find relief in medically castrating yourself, you'll just enter into another stage of spiritual degradation until your misery accumulates to such and extent that you come to accept self destruction. I give you an alternative now: hear what your conscience demands of you; avoid what it revulses, knowing it to be evil. Take up what you can of yourself and start at once the long walk towards becoming the man you are meant to be.

>>44142175
>the man you were meant to be
aka a woman

>>44142027
My mental health is better, mostly happy with physical changes, though boobs are a bit complicated, ive gotten physically a bit weaker though which is annoying, though im working on it, im overall happier but not sure what the long game is

>>44142064
I dont know if we those on bongisland, especially in rural nowhere, we do have a gay bar but im scared to go alone.and im terrified of STD's, like what do you just ask people flat how does that work?

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>>44142175
The only thing Ive gotten with my body was ridicule by male peers for being unmanly and snickered by female peers for also being unmanly
And thats ignoring the vast untreatment I got from people that goes beyond just words
I still shake trying to leave my apartment because people hurt me physically often
The only positive reinforcement I had was my parents and now I live on ny own
>>44142064
I dont know what to do at a club
>>44142241
How long are you like this and what was the timeline

>>44142357
I know a few bongladeshi fags who may have some insight on wear to find men to kiss
>>44142359
First time you go? Just kind of sit and watch and get used to the environment. Maybe play some darts, dance a little, get some drinks.

>>44142359
6 months, its been gradual, I still have bad days though
>The only thing Ive gotten with my body was ridicule by male peers for being unmanly and snickered by female peers for also being unmanly
>I still shake trying to leave my apartment because people hurt me physically often
Sorry to hear that, i went through similar stuff but sounds like you had it worse physically and we responded in different ways but I can relate to the body stuff

>>44142416
Thing is i dont know my sexuality and Id like to find out more, but the fear of catching something is a huge concern for me

>>44142478
definitely something to be concerned about. hookups scare me for the same reason.

>>44140806
>sorry if I'm fujoing out too much
women istg

>>44142416
Ive never been to a bar before though
>>44142445
>6 months, its been gradual
How gradually are we talking here

>>44143102
Hmm, there is definitely immediate mental effects in the first week or 2, probably placebo In part, after a couple weeks youll probably notice you skin is a bit less gruff, and if remove body hair you'll see it grow back slower and a little thinner, your chest will get sore and achy after a day or 2 as breast buds start. But it took a while until mine started to grow beyond the nipples, maybe 3/4 months in, recently ive noticed my head hair is coming back from how it receded, my libido came back a few weeks back, a bit atleast, uhh nothing came out when came until then too now its clear, my ass jiggles now, my thighs more than they did, I noticed I was weaker after a couple months, but it has progressed more since, and ive gone from straggot to confused in terms of sexuality, mentally I have more clarity with what my issues are now

>>44138754
Actually take and stay on Estrogen. VOICE TRAIN. Too many troons are lazy about voice training.

Oh yeah and taking care of your hygeine/skincare doesn't hurt.

>>44143102
I didn't either before starting estrogen so y'know
>>44142596
That's debatable
>>44143226
Haircare is critical too. Simple stuff like sleeping in a bonnet.

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>>44143208
Thats all interesting but the only thing I have to add is my ass and thighs already jiggle and Im not even fat though at 53kg 160cm and Im also weak
>>44143226
I actually saw a TikTok talking about voice training randomly this morning before I made my thread which is what made me make the thread partially
>>44143249
Sleeping in a bonnet?

>>44143324
Yes, silk sleeping bonnets to keep your hair nice, soft, and unabraded in your sleep. It's really important if you have curly hair.

Pair that with a serious hair routine (I'm still working on mine and whether I like various different leave-ins or not) to get nice, healthy hair.

>>44143343
My hair is curly damn I didnt even know about this

>>44143324
Im 164cm and 58kg if you think you're weak now it'll get worse, I recommend doing at least so light upper body exercise, endurance training is good if you want to make your upper body bigger just so you can work normally still.

>>44143249
I also wanna know about the bonnet

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>>44143360
Well I dont have a job and I never did any physical or manual tasks or labour
The extent of my physical activities was getting beat up and trying to block it

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>>44143360
>>44143352
Both of you should be dating men istg I would kill to be that short

>>44143382
Well my height made me an incel

>>44143508
being taller didn't exactly help me as a moid but being shorter would help me as a foid

>>44143382
Mine nuked my confidence and I lost my ability to hold my own in a fight in part to it, also proportions matter more imo I have silly stumpy legs, my inseam is ls 24/5 inches it looks goofy

>>44143378
Mood, im poor tho so I couldn't hikkokineetmax for long but I think its a good thing u should try it

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>>44143584
The work or exercise things that is

>>44143539
As I said earlier in the thread the only guy who was nice to me was you know
I was such a crying mess usually because I couldnt handle my emotions and pain otherwise
But its all in the past now
>>44143584
Im not neetbux

>>44143632
On neetbux not not neetbux oops

>>44143653
Would neetbux give you less if picked up some part time work? Not saying you have to be a good goy and stimulate the economy but doing anything physical is good for u, if u can more money at the same time its a plus, and maybe meet some cool peeps

>>44143584
I got the shit beaten out of me a lot because I was on the young end for my grade and generally sensitive and then puberty moided me out (still have fagvoice though). Stopped getting assaulted as much but tried to kms instead so y'know.

>>44143632
It's okay to cry. Sometimes guys even like it when you cry into their chests.

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>>44143787
Yeah if you work you get less buxx
Autism coverage gives more money if youre jobless than minimum wage working
>>44143813
I cry a lot which has even led to people actually feeling bad for hurting me somehow

>>44143851
>Autism coverage gives more money if youre jobless than minimum wage working
Wowa, minimum neetbux is pennies for me, I have nothing diagnosed wrong with me though, im trying to though I have my first appointment with a physciatrist next week.
>I cry a lot which has even led to people actually feeling bad for hurting me somehow
Huh, the opposite happened to me the more I did the worse it got, Just learnt to tank things until they got bored instead, I cant cry really anymore though

>>44143914
>Huh, the opposite happened to me the more I did the worse it got, Just learnt to tank things until they got bored instead, I cant cry really anymore though
I think they just felt pity on a dying dog basically

>>44143851
That does happen sometimes. It depends on the person really. It mostly got me bullied more until I started defending myself.

I would get regularly assaulted every other month or so and eventually just learned to bite the shit out of people if they grabbed me and I couldn't get away.

>>44143992
I did this too worked at school unless I got ganged up on, but mainly it was my stepdad and he was perma a foot taller and double my weight, kind of impossible to defend yourself in that situation

I relate to this thread and would like to vent about a similar issue in a bit if possible.

>>44144138
Ok sure tell me
>>44143992
My strategy was laying down and crying because I lacked enough strength to even punch or kick

I thankfully never got bullied because i jestermaxxed.
Lost the drive to do it or be alive after middle school tho LOL and then i was just very fortunate to be in a class with good people.

Parents used to belt me when i misbehaved and at a certain point i just started to try and fight them if they were about to do so, so they just gave up because they didn't want to box and wrestle their kid.

One time though i forget what i did, but my mom belted me with the metal part and i covered my ass with my hand and she whipped it so hard it scraped off the skin and i bled a sizeable portion of blood.

To this day i think that's kinda fucked to do that to your kid and sooorta explains why i have no interests in anything get discouraged easily and feel like i'm destined to fail, but i also understand others have had it way way way worse.

>>44144138
estrogen now
>>44144059
>>44144162
bfs now

>>44144196
>>44144227
I agree with snoy estrogen now cismoid!

>>44144227
>bfs now
I hope OP isnt stuck on bongisland too, that'd been too sad

>>44144279
>>44144227
Dont really feel like it

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>>44144315
Germany
>>44144196
Im sorry that sucks, at least my parents loved me
>>44144227
How to get one and why would any of them want me now anyway

>>44144372
160cm effeminate twink/possible tranny?
Bichads love that. If you have good passing potential you can probably snag a straight guy in less than a year if you're on HRT.

But it's a matter of finding one that loves you and isn't just gonna use you.

>>44144504
Whats your discord Im sleepy but I want to continue talking tomorrow
>in less than a year if you're on HRT.
That sounds optimistic

OP if you're really that small you have insanely good stats to transition. I strongly recommend it, I think it'd improve your life immensely.

>>44144543
Those with passing potential often start passing well enough to be seen as woman-adjacent pretty early on as long as they take care of themselves.

am paranoid about dropping disc here because there's a weirdo stalker who harasses me every now and then

>>44144722
Do you have an alt, I dont

>>44144372
>at least my parents loved me
Did your parents disown you, anon?

>>44144722
>>44144754
Okay Im starting to get dizzy and super tired Im going to sleep now nevermind
>>44144767
No

>>44144821
if you drop your discord i can help, i've helped someone transition before

>>44144754
I don't no I'm laaaaazy

TACHIBANAAAAAAAAA

if you're considering this you're prob just a tranny ngl

>>44138723
>the way chads pursue
not that you aren't putting yourself at risk, expecting to find someone who will compensate for that without lots of personal work, but tons of women love the idea of a cute passive bf
you're not out of the market because of looks, and if you think you'd pass at all you're probably pretty and self aware enough to get away with it
You're not solving anything by "fixing" the relationship you have to the worlds sexual standards and relationship dynamics, you're approaching the same problem from a dif direction and expecting someone else to solve it for you because you fit the "useless, shy, waits-to-be-told-what-to-do" archetype you've made up for yourself. If someone lives up to that, sweeps in and decides that you're "too shy to be expected to do X", you're still just inviting in the kind of people who want to control and use you like a thing.
Haven't really studied the whole thread yet, but I'm just gonna assume you understand and are smart enough to know that isn't a solution, it's just the same problem with a dif coat of paint.
Sex and relationships don't solve anything, really. If you're just looking for company and support otw to trying to adjust your life then fine, but you can't really expect someone else to solve the rest for you.

you should see a therapist to work on your autism/personality because you need that more than becoming a woman

>>44144890
What's yours?

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>>44139927
>Everything about your journey and life and how it is now, if youre married and such money situation live the tranny drugs etc
I started HRT 7 years ago and didn't consider myself a tranny or woman yet. Hid from everyone for almost two years because of COVID; when WFH ended I decided to come out to everyone including at work. Still didn't see myself as a woman fully but closer to that than a man. I had B-cup breasts by then, now up to C-cups today.
Started dating my bf, who was one of my best friends prior to my transition (but not a childhood friend. Had never dated anyone before so it was my first love, kisses and sex. Around that same time I decided to get SRS since the writing was on the wall that I was never going back to being a man, and my pp had really started to bother me a ton. Got SRS three years ago, super happy with the results (I went to Thailand for it). Could finally actually enjoy sex after recovering. Feels a little strange though to know I'll only ever date/hug/kiss/sex with a man, and not with a woman like I assumed growing up.
Moved in with my bf last year. We both intend to marry and I'm just saving up for my FFS and he's saving up for rings. I really couldn't deal with life if things regressed to how they were before. I was meant to be a subby MtF wife of my best friend and I wouldn't have it any other way...

>what would I need to do actually or generally because I dont think I would be the moneymaker
Second job part time or full time, homemaking especially cooking, childcare, emotional support, or some combination of all of these.

>>44145506
i'm not putting my disc out publicly here, since there are ppl here that know me and i dont feel like getting bothered by them
but if you post yours i can def help

>>44145508
waow

envious...

>>44141297
>But isnt this only for women? Wont a guy being there be awkward?
anon, you do realize that male actors exist, right? they all have to start somewhere.
no, a guy there won't be awkward and most of the artsy places are already queer-adjacent so asking to be taught how to act/behave more femininely won't even be that weird. people go there to learn to LARP as Roman emperors, serial killers, anthropomorphic animals and all sorts of fucked up shit.
>>44141304
>But did you troon out specifically to date men or was it incidental after the fact?
a bit of both.
i was aware i was more likely to make it as a trannymaxer if i could date men but i was concerned that i just didn't find men hot. so i was quite a bit intentional about at least trying.
t. >>44141173

>>44145508
>>44145601
>had srs as virgin/with her only partner
nta but yeah, i'm envious too.
>the writing was on the wall that I was never going back to being a man, and my pp had really started to bother me a ton
>Could finally actually enjoy sex after recovering
a rarely discussed benefit of srs is the significant improvement of sexual health. i'm still salty that covid had my surgery postponed twice.
>Feels a little strange though to know I'll only ever date/hug/kiss/sex with a man, and not with a woman like I assumed growing up
why strange? serious question.
to me it's the opposite. it's a source of euphoria. i suppose it's because i did get to live as a 'cishet man' and i know for sure i don't want to ever get back to that.