>If a boy is shown enjoying baking, serving tea for their friends, liking clothes or makeup, that is evidence they are a girl who wants to transition Isn't this a very 'gender essentialist' and shallow & regressive understanding of gender and people?I'm curious what /lgbt/ thinks of the discourse around this character if they follow the game Deltarune. I am a cis guy and I don't have a problem with what I perceived to be trans allegory characters like Mew Mew or Mettaton. But the idea of Ralsei having a trans arc being foreshadowed by, Ralsei liking "girly things"? Should I believe Susie has been foreshadowed to be a trans man because Susie likes explosions and monster trucks and whatever?I always thought UTDR was way above such a reductive understanding of gender and personal interests.Yet it does feel like ch5 hints to Ralsei transitioning. They're really excited to dress up as a princess in the climbing minigame and only catch themself at the end to do their "umm, as long as other people want me to haha" shtick, like clearly they got carried away actually enjoying it. Their Title in ch5 is "Artemisia" which is historically a feminine plant used for women's medicine and Artemis is the goddess of, among other things, "transitions". Then when Ralsei's title changed to "Dark Vine" it uses they/them pronouns, whereas in previous chapters he/him pronouns were used in the Ralsei titles that had pronouns. And of course there's Ralsei wanting the "blue and pink" drink. Yes Ralsei loves Kris, and Kris's dark world coloring is blue and pink, but there's no way they didn't also realize the trans coding when writing that scene. And besides the other option for Ralsei in the scene, yellow and green, are also Kris colors.
>>44140844Ralsei is gay as fuck lol
Shit nobody cares about
>>44140844maybe there are just a lot of trans niggas in deltatroon
>>44140844Mettaton made me rep and imo ruined a generation of trans men
>>44141037trvketoby fox cant write trans shit and should stop trying because its always terrible
>>44140903Kris is non binary
>>44140844Idk about this video game, but to answer your question, yes trannies are the most strict enforcers of gender roles and stereotypes.
>>44141082didn't know that
>>44140844Didn't play it so I can't argue specifics but any trans story where the only indication someone is trans are basic GNC things like liking pink and dresses is automatically badEncouraging transitions based solely on basic gender nonconformity ultimately hurts more people than it helps
>>44141370Based
>>44140844>Isn't this a very 'gender essentialist' and shallow & regressive understanding of gender and people?Yes but if Ralsei worked on cars as a hobby, did roof work, and played football in-between playing 2K people would consider a Ralsei trans headcanon as retarded.
>>44140844Trans Ralsei is a Rudy Knight tier theory, it only makes exists because of schizo reasoning and ignoring Occam’s Razor.
>>44140844is actually very easy. it doesn't matter if he is trans or not. trans niggas will affirm that he is trans because they have a culture of grooming and enjoy perverting cute charactersalso toby fox is a faggot
>>44140844tralsei theory doesn't rest on his feminity and if you think it does you have literally never listened to anyone talk about it so idk why you're asking here. also pronouns didn't change thats just bs. but personally I don't like tralsei anyway cause I think femboys deserve him he is good rep for them.
>>44141470Doesn't this just reinforce OP's point about trannies being the ones who enforce gender essentialism the most?
>>44140844Thankfully this isn’t Reddit where we have to care whether something is “regressive” or whether faggotry aligns with some retarded feminist shit.Gender essentialism IS the truth. Men are men and women are women. Some people are born female brained and they transition to the correct body, or male brained and transition to the correct body. Feminist bitches can cope and seethe but it’s true. People actually are born male or female brained.
>>44141054Toby obviously doesn't give a fuck about his trans "rep" he only does shit like make two characters say they're gay husbands so theyfabs can cheer and then not confirm anything else
Ralsei is just a FemBoy. It's okay to be a Femboy. Being a femboy or trap is fine. Fuck conversion therapy/egg culture.
>>44142941Kind of? As long as you know "female brained" means "having a brain that expects to inhabit a female body" and not "someone with interests that our society arbitarily decided were feminine".
>>44140844Ralseis arc is all about "hey you can want your own things and not just be a slave to the prophecy" so being a repper because the prophecy asked for a prince makes sense to me>>44142125Femboys dont deserve shit, also they have blue now, explicit gnc character
>>44141542cry more
>>44140844I don't think Ralsei is going to be trans, I think the reveal is going to be that he doesn't have a solid form/identity in the first place and adopted one for functionality and became attached to it after interacting with Kris. Similarly, the teasing in regards to him and pink/blue as a color combination is that it's symbolic of Kris, and it's about him catching feelings for Kris and developing his own desires rather than just being a tool like he insists Darkners are supposed to be.
>>44142907We're talking about fictional characters lol GNC tranners irl just get discounted because cis people be retarded
>>44145675Flowery mocked Ralsei. That doesn't mean NOTHING!
>>44140844Been having this conversation in /utg/ for a week with malding chuds but I think if you believe the direction a potential transfem Ralsei story is going then you haven't been paying attention to the overall themes of the game or ralsei's character arc. I think the point is going to be more "Ralsei shouldn't have to be a boy just to fulfill a dumb prophecy" rather than "ummm of course Ralsei's a girl she likes girl things???"
>>44145659you're a hateful piece of garbage and blue is not a femboy he is a theater gay / camp gay. those subcultures have nothing to do with each other and you have to be mentally retarded to not see the difference. its extremely understandable for someone to feel seen by ralsei but not by blue.
>>44145747seriously? mocking? thats what all that scene meant to you?
>>44145770Yes. What else could this be?
>>44145770To be fair, anon, Flowery calls the entire party princess at some point.
>>44145767>you're a hateful piece of garbagekek>those subcultures have nothing to do with each othernothing?>its extremely understandable for someone to feel seen by ralsei but not by blue.You want ralsei to be a femboy because it reminds you of your beloved boykisserAnyone can be feminine, but they can also be trans
>>44145762I think the point is more about Ralsei's desires as a person/for Kris than it's really going to be anything directly gender related.
>>44145798Everyone in the party is a woman #true
>>44145815ralsei is canonically a femboy and it is most likely going to stay that way with how everything pointing to tralsei has more plausible alternate explanations, that are closer related to the actual stories and mysteries that have been more constant throughout the game, so it doesn't really matter what I want. i hope your retarded ass is prepared for the possibility of disappointment when you don't get to take yet another toy from someone else. retards like you need to learn your place and let other people have fun. its so annoying how you people have singlehandedly tanked the reputation of trans women by just being insufferable fucking autists who cant deal with anyone slightly different than you are. internet nerds used to like us yknow.
>>44141470people will become 4th dimensional gender-anarchists but only when it's time to discount trans people
>>44145826The entire plot of Ralsei is that he is a identitylet character. This is based in many ways, like when he says that he only serves to fulfill Kris and Susie's needs and when his bedroom is empty. gender identity doesn't have anything to do with this. Transei is schizothinking.
>>44145848>internet nerds used to like us yknow.All the traps/'femboys' internet nerds used to like back then came out as trans, anon. Ultimately the issue is getting trans identity tied up in blue/red politics, and lot of that wasn't even them, but from big money intentionally distracting right wingers by blaming shit (like their video games sucking) on trannies instead of the actual causes. Nothing at all to do with "you trannies made nerds hate femboys!"
>>44145856The point is going to be him developing/learning to accept having an identity. I don't think part of that is going to involve him transitioning to female (again, I don't think Ralsei strictly speaking HAS a sex, and is fine with having a male gender) but the 'identitylet' part is explicitly meant to be a negative he has to overcome in his arc.
>>44145884that is completely illogical as a response to what I said, so you seem to be illiterate. i'm moving on.
>>44145848>internet nerds used to like us yknow.wow I really give a shit that /b/tards used to jack off to trans girls without getting mad
>>44145913It's completely relevant as a response to the claim I quoted specifically. I'm not debating you in that post about the theory of Ralsei being trans or not because I've voiced my feelings in regards to that theory in other posts in the thread already.
>>44145915yeah i do care cause i could go to my fucking fighting game locals or whatever without getting side-eyed and mistreated since u retards helped turn everyone against us.
>>44145945>u retards*big money paying for distraction propaganda to use us as a scapegoat
>>44145957keyword helped. behaving yourself has the power to turn any drooling retard in the world to ur side. but u cant behave yourself.
>>44145855And trannies will become the staunchest supporters of traditional gender norms just to headcanon a random fictional character as trans, your point?
>>44145976>You can'tCollective blame is so retarded, you little pickme. I can guarantee you that every single story you can cite in your head was pushed and magnified if not just straight out lied about and misrepresented by mainstream media or paid/glowie influencers to push an agenda. That agenda in this case being getting right wing retards tied up in screeching culture war hatred of trannies instead of the people making them poor and miserable and making their precious videogames lame for the sake of another propaganda arm.
>>44145884People falling for "tranny bad" political slop is one thing, trans culture turning itself into a black void sucking in all sorts of GNC people into it and demanding them to be trans is a completely different problem
>>44146009Just like we have no control over cis women claiming to be enbies on twitter for attention, we have no control over those same women insisting stupid shit about the slightest gnc like Vegeta is trans for wearing a pink shirt. This ties back into the 'collective blame' issue you have, where you want to blame EVERYONE because some individual did or said something you don't like. If Ralsei ends up being trans you would be an absolute fool to blame random transwomen who have no influence on the development of Deltarune and not Toby Fox, a cis man, for unintentionally erasing someone you saw as (though he probably never did, ASSUMING this happens) gnc male representation.
one anime trap will get made canonically trans and then everyone acts like femboys are getting kidnapped into trannification vans like ukrainians and russians getting drafted
>>44145987>muh storiesim not tuned into political slop, im talking abt watching ppl make a fucking ass out of themselves with my two very eyes. >>44146035>you would be an absolute fool to blame random transwomen who have no influencemaybe you shouldnt be so quick to fucking pretend like something is canon when it isnt
>>44146395>with my two very eyesAs we all know, personal anecdotes from anonymous posters are the most reliable sources.>Pretend something is canon when it isn'tYou are literally losing your mind over people making up stupid theories about a videogame online. You're basically trollbait at this point, you're so easy to get riled up. The only thing that matters is what actually happens in the game, and that would all be on Toby, not some random tranny talking to you here.
>>44146433the dev team is infested with troons and he has been shown to kowtow to the retarded community to change something before (ch4 weird route). frankly people won't believe toby always intended ralsei to be trans if it happens anymore cause the well is poisoned.
>>44146457This is literally all headcanon and delusion you let some seething /pol/fag psyop you into btw.
>>44146475u r retarded
>>44146494You are a generic femboy pickme.
>>44146501im a tranny who has a diverse group of friends and dislikes when they get hated on unfairly for who they are and for some fucking reason the internet has decided to create a border war between mtfs and femboys
>>44140844>Isn't this a very 'gender essentialist' and shallow & regressive understanding of gender and people?Yes but you do the same. The lines are so blurred now between gay and trans that if a boy enjoys baking that snowballs into them having to be gay only and not just gay but also extremely submissive and also only bottoms. There's barely a fucking difference anymore.>I always thought UTDR was way above such a reductive understanding of gender and personal interests.UTDR largely enforces that reductive understanding of gender and personal interests actually.
>>44146539This argument literally started because of someone losing their mind about people throwing out dumb theories about Ralsei being trans because it's 'femboy erasure' and saying 'all trannies are at fault collectively for why right wingers no longer fap to femboys'. The people starting border wars are dumbass pickes who think they can get those people back to being attracted to them by selling people out, not realizing it's a top-down propaganda effort to use you as punching bag and not organic ground-up dislike.
>>44146009This is a pattern that keeps repeating itself as you can see by the retarded HSTS vs AGP debate that consumes this board
>>44146697>all trannies are at fault collectively for why right wingers no longer fap to femboysnobody ever said this, are you retarded?
>>44146769>>44145848>internet nerds used to like us yknow.>>44145945>u retards helped turn everyone against us.
>>44146778if you read that shit and u think this anon is a femboy and not a trans woman u r deeply retarded
>>44146792I don't think it really matters if you're a fembyo or trans and getting offended on their behalf when the primary accusation is being a pickme who gets their opinions from seething /pol/fags.
>>44146804i think you're a nasty bigot and projecting and thinking that pol says any of this shit is retarded. fascists think equally awful of any male doing feminine things it doesnt matter how they identify.
>>44146813You're the one that posted >>44146457 which is literally a talking point taken form them verbatim. "There's a bunch of evil troons on the game and they're making it woke and gay!" and "Toby is gonna retcon his original based vision for evil troons!" Come off it.
>>44146828i never said any of that and you are deeply mentally retarded calling that pol talking points
>>44146840>I never said that>>44146457>the dev team is infested with troons and he has been shown to kowtow to the retarded community to change somethingSeriously, I don't exclusively use this board. I've seen this same argument from out-and-out /pol/fags in other Deltarune threads, and playing stupid when I paraphrase something you directly said is just being intentionally dishonest.
>>44146457>chuddy gets btfo'd /utg/ repeatedly>banned for seething at trannies>goes to tranny board to seek more attention
>>44146869>tranny disagrees with the official narrative on femboys, thinks we should be nice and let them be themselves >called an offboarder chud???
>>44146880I responded to the wrong post :(
>>44145798flowery is just a well-meaning asshole who wants to see them break out of their prophetical roles and kris is clearly a theyfab or something
Why do femboys act like they want to kill themselves for being called fem? Get a more believable larp you whiney bitches
>>44146886kris is male
>>44146813>fascists think equally awful of any male doing feminine things it doesnt matter how they identify.The LGBT community isn't any different
>>44146922clearly. but thats a problem
