what is your fatmaxxing strategy?>diet?>exercise?>hormones?my plan is simple>consume lots of calories and healthy fats (smoothies, yogurt, peanut butter, avocado)>lower body body-weight exercises (squats, lunges, glute bridges)>high estradiol and prog levels>maintain consistent routine and sleep schedule >minimise stress (cortisol is bad for muscle gain)>gain muscle and fat on thighs/hips/butt>gain fat and breast tissue on breasts >inb4 noooo this is honscienceGaining weight in feminine pattern requires a balance of diet, exercise, hormones, and timing. The goal is to put on both muscle and fat, while doing exercise and having a good diet. Fat will distribute into a more female pattern if your female hormones levels are correct. It is also better to gain weight more gradually both for general health and for gaining a more feminine body shape.
for gods sake fucking don't. you will never undo the damage
you'll regret it. i reached 200lbs and while i had desirable hips and breasts i was miserable and im still recovering.
>>44221346>noooo youre damaging yourself! And any changes the body are irreversible!She's changing her figure not chopping her arm off, fucking dunce.>>44221340GL op! I believe in you!
>>44221340>fatmax>posts an image of a lady who dedicates herself to exercise,diet, and DEFINITELY not eating slop and becoming fat as fuck.i get what u want and it isnt fat maxxing. it's called hitting the gym, targeting lower body, and watching your diet you dumb fuck
>>44221340Don't. You're not gonna get a cool sexy body. You'll get a fat man gut.
>>44221340Things you kinda got:"healthy fats" in this case is a meme, you're actually looking for saturated fats which morons think are "unhealthy fats". Dairy is best. Meat also good. Don't do exercises at all. If you're already on prog you've fucked up a lot of what this will do for you, it's still worth weight cycling, you'll just get less result than no-prog. If you're not on prog don't do prog until you've exhausted every last thing you can get from E. High E is always good. Make sure you're nuking your T. Consistent sleep is okay, LOTS of sleep is better tho. Lots of resting and meditation will help get your cortisol levels down too which is always a good idea. Things you missed:Collagen collagen collagen. Whenever you're weight cycling up or down 10-30g of collagen is essential for maintaining skin quality. 2-1-1 carb-protein-fat ratio if you can manage it. You can go 2-1-2 but you're going to have problems pooping. Don't gain or lose more than 1% of body weight per week or you'll fuck your skin. Stay hydrated, your body won't tell you to do this, you have to do it conciously. Your body will demand salt, give it to it.
>>44221364t. https://files.catbox.moe/o9gzyj.jpeg5'5 200lbs heed my warning :(
>>44221400Not if you've properly nuked T.
>>44221383I guarantee you she was a landwhale at some point in her life.
>>44221346>>44221364>>44221400>>44221414Did you read my original post. I am going to gain weight gradually. fwiw I'm 5'8" twinkhon (17 BMI) and have a 63cm waist, and 0.73 WHR. I want to gain fat and muscle to look more feminine, not to become overweight or obese. >>44221372thanks :3
>>44221383Given I am underweight it does count as fatmaxxing because I am changing diet and lifestyle to gain weight>>44221410>"healthy fats" in this case is a meme>Dairy is best. Meat also good. Yes I am going to eat lots of dairy (which is animal fat, which are typically saturated fats). But both type of fats are good for weight gain, but too much saturated fats is bad for general cardiovascular health.>Don't do exercises at allno I am disregarding this, I want to gain muscle and fat>If you're already on prog you've fucked up I am on prog, and prog is for breast growth, which I have already started to get, so I am not stopping now>Lots of resting and meditation I used to do meditation that's a good idea>collagenidk about this but I'll look into it>Stay hydratedyeah I agree with this too
>>44221530>idk about this but I'll look into ithaving collagen prevents you from getting ugly stretch marks
>>44221511No worries! :3But in their defense you did say fatmaxxing and what you described isnt really fatmaxxing. Eitherway solid plan and I think if you stick to it you'll get good results
>>44221410Why is prog bad for gaining weight in your hips and boobs?
>>44221540damn I wish I knew about this as a teenager because I still have stretch mark scars on my back from height growth, what foods do you eat for collagen?>>44221553okay ig maybe I misused the term? but I am underweight and want to put on weight because I am basically a skeleton
>>44221530>too much saturated fats is bad for general cardiovascular health.Firstly, not really, that's actually been pretty thoroughly debunked at this point. It was all just a meme to sell more canola oil. Secondly, you're not a 70 year old diabetic truck driver. This is a temporary diet, even if you were doing damage it wouldn't be permanent. >>44221530>I am on prog... so I am not stopping nowAnd there'd be no point if you did. What prog does is it ends female puberty and starts fertility. What that means is going to a high E will not result in permanent changes, rather any gains you get in your breasts will only be maintained while you are high E, if you go back to a lower dose your breasts will shrink back and sag. This is not necessarily a bad thing if you're planning on getting a BA. >>44221540AND it helps your skin contract when you're losing weight too. >>44221556Answered above.
>>44221623>what foods do you eat for collagen?You take a supplement. The walmart one is fine.
Nona, putting on a few pounds after being borderline anorexic is not fatmaxxing
>>44221633okay thanks I'll maybe try it>>44221648>borderline anorexic in my defense, I have always struggled to put on weight and have realised that I need to do some of the fatmaxxing strategies in order to not have an ozempic looking body
>>44221961There's peptides for that.
>>44221961eating collagen doesn't do anything it's just a protein and it gets digested like any other protein does. don't waste your money
>>44222590You're an idiot. Collagen was the second peptide to be discovered after creatine. There are large bodies of evidence supporting the eficacy of both. The reason they're sold as supplements instead of drugs is because they're bio-identical and therefor can't be patented. The reason peptides like GLP-1 and CJC-1295 are sold as drugs instead of supplements is because they've been modified from their bio-identical version and can therefore be patented as drugs.
>>44222764collagen is a protein not a peptide. there is not evidence supporting its efficacy because it has none. i don't really care what it's sold ashere's a list of diseases you can get from defective collagen synthesishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collagen#Associated_disordersgo look through them and see which ones are treated with collagen supplements. or don't, because it's none of them. the reason none of them can be treated by eating collagen is because when you eat collagen it gets digested into its constituent amino acids and your body uses them for whatever it likes. it could make collagen out of them but it could also do that with any other protein. what the amino acids came from has no bearing on what they get made into and your body absolutely does not incorporate random whole animal proteins from your food>they're bio-identical and therefor can't be patentedbovine collagen, which is what is generally in these supplements, is not bio identical to human collagen and even if it was that would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not it could be patented. the reason it's not patented is that blending up abattoir scraps and putting them in a gel cap is not exactly an innovative process and everything involved falls under prior art
>>44222827Again, you're an idiot. When people talk about collagen they're talking about collagen peptides, which are exactly the same in humans as they are in cows. When you eat raw collagen it's broken down into COLLAGEN FUCKING PEPTIDES YOU FUCKING MORON. Now scroll up and have a look at what the label on the container says. Then stop talking shit about something you do not understand. What you probably heard at one point is that collagen CREAMS don't do anything, from which you've extrapolated to everything on the shelf in the pharmacy is a scam, because you're a fucking idiot.
>>44222878at what point did i say anything about creams? the literal only context in which i talked about collagen supplements is eating them. do you think you're supposed to eat the creams? or did the first sentence of my post make you so angry you just couldn't make it through anything else?
>>44222898No I read and replied to your whole post and pointed YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE FUCKING BASICS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Proteins are made up of peptidesPeptides are made up of amino acids. When you eat collegen peptides, something that is hard to find in nature, it is used to synthesize the protein elastin which allows for skin to expand and contract. So when you are gaining weight collagen peptides encourage the skin to expand to accomadate that weight without stretching, and when you're losing weight collagen peptides allow you skin to contract without creating wrinkles and skinflaps. There are literally a bajillion articles that will explain this to you, but keep going with your wikipedia article which only demonstrates that you don't even understand the mechanism you are talking about. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10180699/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002934325002839https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12661388/
>>44222898And the reason I'm mad btw is because you and I had this conversation about a year ago, you were BTFO then, but you're still spouting this rubbish.
>>44222940calm down bro caps lock isn't gonna help>When you eat collegen peptidesit gets broken down into amino acids. go get some of your incel ass chinese peptides out of the vial and swallow them. do you think that's gonna do anything?>something that is hard to find in naturelol>[fanfiction]do you actually know when you are making things up?here you go here's a random meta analysis that found the opposite, why don't you go ahead and not read that like you didn't read the shit you linked mehttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002934325002839>>44222983you have schizophrenia senpai, idk who the fuck you are
>>44223004>randomOh bullshit. You're the only one who spouts this shit every time it comes up, you didn't even know we were talking about peptides not proteins, and now you're cherry picking studies to try to hide the fact you didn't know what you were talking about. Literally the search "academic collagen peptides skin" gets you the top three results I gave you and I read far enough to know they all found measurable effects. Here's some more meta studies. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33742704/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10773595/want me to keep going because there's a fucking million of them now and they all say you're full of shit.
>>44223132instead of pretending everyone on this website is the same person you could go back and read past the first sentence of my original reply. honestly i'm not surprised if you've been called out before when you shill random walmart supplements on 4chan. the only surprising part of that is that you're telling me you do this on the regular. also, continually reiterating the fact that you called collagen a peptide when it isn't is a bizarre way to argue. i didn't even address how you thought creatine was a peptide lmao. maybe i should have.why don't you paste in some more links you just found to studies you didn't read, that'll make you seem less insane
>>44223173I'm not calling everyone on this website the same person, I'm calling YOU the same person because you are spouting the exact same shit you were spouting a year or so ago. Confusing proteins for peptides. Citing collogen synthesis problems as if that's at all relevant. Falsely claiming that collagen proteins break down into amino acids. Not knowing about elastin synthesis. And continuing to shift the goalposts rather than fucking learn something. Collagen peptides work. If are gaining or losing weight they are effective in mitigating the effects on the skin of doing so. Advising trannies who are preparing to undertake weight cycling not to use collagen peptides is setting them up for skin problems. Cut it the fuck out.
>>44221372Fat cells might ans well only be created and destroyed. Have fun.Op does seem to be doing it in the right way but I hope she does a gradual enough bulk otherwise it tends to look awful
>>44223204What kinds of skin problems, pray tell?
>>44223227Read the fucking thread idiot.
>>44223204i promise you dude i am not whoever you were arguing with on 4chan 'a year or so ago'. the fact that you remember an argument you had on 4chan a year ago is insane. why don't you apply that memory to remembering what you posted a couple hours ago>Confusing proteins for peptideshere's a quote from you>Collagen was the second peptide to be discovered after creatineliterally neither of those two things are peptides>Citing collogen synthesis problems as if that's at all relevantare you gonna address that at all? do you have some explanation of why collagen supplements only work on people with healthy collagen already?>shift the goalpostsbro i've spent way too long trying to get the goalposts back to the literal first thing i posted and the first post you made in reply to it, this is insane projection>Advising trannies [blah blah]look i'm not advising anyone to do shit other than not waste their money. if someone wants to take collagen supplements they should just buy cooking gelatin instead of paying 10x as much for the same shit labeled as 'collagen peptides'. it won't do fuck all but that's a different matter
>>44223249do you also think that person who asked a perfectly innocuous question is your 4chan nemesis you've been arguing with for years?
>>44223250>literally neither of those two things are peptidesREADTHELABEL>>44221633>are you gonna address that at all?Of course not you fucking retard. The answer is obvious. >bro i've spent way too long trying to get the goalposts back THE GOALPOSTS ARE DOES IT HELP WITH THE SKIN PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH WEIGHT CYCLINGTHAT'S THE FUCKING QUESTIONTHAT'S THE ONLY FUCKING QUESTIONAND THE ANSWER IS YESEND OF FUCKING CONVERSATION
>>44223255You're not my fucking nemisis retard. You're just a retard who won't stop being wrong on the internet.
I'd just force my tgf to fatmax and then pay for her bbl and breast enlargement (implants are also an option)
>>44223270i know what the label says. collagen is still not a peptide. neither is creatine. it is actually important to know what these words mean to be able to discuss the concepts they refer to>DOES IT HELP WITH THE SKIN PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH WEIGHT CYCLINGthe answer is no!!! see i can be loud too!!! it doesn't do anything. if eating collagen gave you more collagen, then it would cure the diseases you get when your body can't make collagen properly. this should be obvious
>>44223300Omfg you're too fucking stupid to know how stupid you are. And now you're asking me repeat myself. Just shut the fuck up when you don't know what you're talking about. We're not interested in protein collagen, we're interested in collagen peptides, the constituent peptides of collagen, because they are used in the synthesis of a different protein called elastin which is the one we actually care about. But OP doesn't need to know the details at that level. All OP needs to know is that if she's planning to weight cycle she needs to be taking a collagen supplement even tho it's not actually collagen, it's collagen peptides, which as the name suggests are fucking peptides. You are trying to shift the goalposts onto the definition of peptides now so you can win a single fucking point in the hopes of wresting what's left of your stupid male pride from the latrine you stupidly threw it into by giving your male opinion on a subject you do not understand. And you have failed in that too.
>>44223328ok mr creatine is a peptide. please tell me more about how you understand this subject
>>44223342>nonono you have to debate me on creatine nowI'm not a Mr you fucking idiot.
>>44223363you could tell me which peptide from collagen you think gets made into elastin, that could be fun
>>44223371You didn't even know what collagen peptides were 2 minutes ago after I'd explained it to you twice. And you certainly didn't know what elastin was. It's COLL1 btw. Not that you have any idea what that means.
>>44223393lmao type 1 collagen? that's a protein my guy. come on i'll give you another go give me another one
>>44223417Not even bothering with yet another goalpost shift on a subject you continue to not understand. You lost to a girl, pretending I'm actually a guy doesn't mean you didn't lose.
>>44223428ok ok if you really want to go you can go, but just know i've marked the date in my calendar, 1 year from now i will find you again. like you i am an expert on personally identifying anonymous 4chan posters. most wouldnt be able to pick you out from the other peptide zoomers but i'm a professional. every time you see someone disagree with you on this website it WILL be me. make sure you call them out and if they call you crazy that's how you'll know it was me
idk what honscience anons are talkin about. just eat slop and have fun letting it go to ur gut and boobies. u need to embrace the tummy i thinkidk what honscience anons are talkin about. just eat slop and have fun letting it go to ur gut and boobies. u need to embrace the tummy i think
