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It is no coincidence, that one of the most barbaric regimes on this green Earth, is one whose grand spiritual leader gave his assent to this equally barbaric treatment. Gender Ideology is the Ayatollah's ideology, where men who have sexual relations with other men, are repressed by the state and badgered into mutilating their sexual organs, and made to masquerade as the opposite sex. A total farce, but sexual deviants have always been on the side of the backwards and barbarous.
What surpasses the insanity of this Gender Ideology, is the grotesque praise by Westerners, as one of the few redeeming elements of this regime. There is no consideration of the idea that the Neo-Safavid savages' totalitarian governance is upstream of this ridiculous ideology.
And so, when we consider the social engineering utility with this awful regime, why is its advocacy in Western liberal democracies any meaningfully different?

>>44222725
There is no such thing as “gender ideology”.

Good job at copypasting your own post from /int/ i bet you sniff your own farts too faggot

>>44222735
I just described it. The conceptual confusion with the 'trans' identity, is exactly what Gender Ideology is.

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>>44222738
You people won't stay in your own board, so I'm here to bring you back down to reality. You can learn to be okay with your male sex, you know. It's not too late, since most of your cognitive dissonance hasn't gone so far as to receive the genital surgery. Your natural physiology can bounce back before you know it.

>>44222758
You write like a teenager who thinks he is very smart

>>44222740
There is no such thing as “gender ideology”.

didnt read

oh boy, another repper projecting onto us huh?
daring aren't we

>>44222758
fuck you and stop patronizing trans people.

>>44222758
HRT gave me tits and ass. Not going back.

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i need to see more of picrel and the Joe Chud image on this board again can we bring these back
i recall it was kind of quiet around here for a while when those were in more frequent usage
be mindful friends

>>44222909
hear hear
I feel at home in my head and body for the first time in my life
clown boy OP tried to swallow a dictionary but he coughed it back up instead and we're getting hit with the spittle
shame he'll probably never get it

>>44222758
already wasted like 17 years of my life after falling for this mindset and getting nowhere, not falling for it again dude sorry

OP you're probably trans
there's no reason in the whole fucking universe to care about us this much
unless you want to be around us for a reason you don't yet understand

>>44222725
>"gender ideology"
spook alert
>>44222758
fuck off you guys are the ones raiding us constantly, we are the Rhodesia of 4chan
>"ruin everything you now like about your body because I said so or something"
no thanks I'm good

>>44222903
>>44222909
>>44223002
>>44223057
You act like you have positive mental outcomes after 'transitioning', in comparison to the difficulty before. But one look at the replies to this thread, and the board at large, shows this isn't true. I was actually as confused as many of you when I was a teenager, but after my father died, I woke up out of the fugue that I had twisted my mind into. Now there is no question or reflection upon this disastrous premise of Gender Ideology, so I act freely and effortlessly as a male.

I'm familiar with the board culture, so you would title this as "repping", but you don't understand that I've rejected the priors of your mental cage entirely. What have I to repress? That I'm not the spitting image of my father? No one is. That's a phantasm. I'm okay to be myself, and I'm comfortable with my biological reality, because there is no different.

I only came here because you keep spilling into /int/, and because I pity you deeply. Think on it.

>>44222725
This changes nothing, I'm still going to continue living as a man and looking like a man and enjoying it so who gaf

>>44223195
Not giving his up desu
>https://files.catbox.moe/fnajwo.jpg

>>44223236
So you're wrecking your life outcomes for sexual satisfaction? I've seen gay men with a better arse. And they didn't wreck their endocrine system, they just went to the gym.

>>44222725
Too hungover to give a shit about this pointless argument, but there is no "gender ideology" and none of the shit you're suggesting is helpful in any way.

I have tits and a neovagina. My passport say F, I'm 170cm tall and I am legally married to a man. Sure, I was born male, but that's of zero importance in day to day life.
Why do you care that much how I chose to live my life?

>>44223271
>So you're wrecking your life outcomes for sexual satisfaction?
I'm happily married and own a house in a nice city. I'm doing fine :3

>>44223285
In my opinion anyone who wants to post retardbabble about le troons are bad should post W2s and proof of a committed relationship but that's just me

>>44223282
>Why do you care that much how I chose to live my life?
I don't know if you've been paying attention for the last 5 years, but the number of young men and women, even kids, identifying as anything other than their natal sex has skyrocketed in the last decade. Your "community" still polices speech & thought, or tries to push their ideology onto other spaces, or reacts with physical violence in street rallies when there is a political effort to protect women's rights.
>>44223285
So you've performed a vasectomy that's a couple of steps further in deviancy. Your body is going to ail, with no natural sex hormones sustaining your health, and you won't have any children to take care of you. But your arse gives you autogynephilic satisfaction.
>>44223288
Do you look at this board and see the appearance of troons on the street, in protests or otherwise, and think that they're all married & owning property? Do you care about the generations you're teaching this filth to?

>>44223306
I can look in the mirror and remember that I'm married and own a townhouse, yeah

>>44223306
>>44223311
The 5 teenage or early 20s troons I clocked on the tram during a night out who were craning over their phone like a hunchback, spotlighting themselves with their barely-brushed or washed danger hair, dressing like some pozzed street hooker despite living in a decent area -- all clearly are going to achieve the feats & milestones necessary for a young man. Do you know who I'm concerned with? It's not the perennially self-obsessed perverts like yourself. If it's not that, it's the violent ones who would otherwise be perpetrators of sexual violence, like this one:
https://files.catbox.moe/tvwjd9.mp4

>>44223306
>Your body is going to ail, with no natural sex hormones sustaining your health
We all die, but I don't think you understand how HRT works. The E we trannies take is biologically identical to the E produced by a cis woman's ovaries. So long as we have access to HRT, our health outcomes are very similar to cis women.

>you won't have any children to take care of you

Never wanted children. Wife doesn't either. In fact, she had her tubes tied a couple years ago.Should also add that having children isn't a guarantee that you'll have support in old age, nor is that a good reason to have children. It's actually a pretty fucking shitty one.

>But your arse gives you autogynephilic satisfaction.
I don't get sexual satisfaction from my body. However, I do actually feel like me now. My dysphoria is mostly controlled even though I'm still fairly early in my transition.

>>44223335
If you could tell then they weren't good enough at being trans, sucks to be them but why should I care. Social maladjusts can do as they wish, they'd be social maladjusts regardless

>>44223343
You can always tell. People innately recognise the mid-face and shoulder-to-hip ratio. Or the gait, posture, voice, hands, etc.. These kids were no different physically from what you've shown in the photo you've boasted about.
And no, they wouldn't otherwise be social maladjusts. They wouldn't seclude themselves into a sexual ghetto among other deviants, and they'd find other like-minded young men that they can learn from. Your whole "movement" is a catch-cry for social sickness. You don't heal a sickness by taking pride in the symptoms.
>>44223338
Don't delude yourself. Synthetic sex hormones are not going to give you the same outcomes as a working body free from interference. Any physician or endo would find your statement laughable.

>>44223362
>Don't delude yourself. Synthetic sex hormones are not going to give you the same outcomes as a working body free from interference. Any physician or endo would find your statement laughable.
No, you are factually incorrect. But then again, that's about what I expect from ignorant fucks like you :3

>>44223306
>political effort to protect women's rights
not that anon but this is why I support trannies.
Women have wormed themselves into every single male-only space. Trannies are doing the Lord's work by doing the exact same thing to female-only spaces.
Women sued their way into gay men's nude resorts for fuck's sake. And you want me to care about their privileges? Neah, fuck that. I support my trans sisters.
www.metroweekly.com/2023/07/florida-gay-nude-resort-cant-ban-women-judge-rules/
Locker rooms for men only are illegal too. Men only clubs are de facto illegal since there is no protection from frivolous lawfare.
Oh no, a few women might have to tolerate a guy from time to time. What a fucking tragedy. I don't care.

>>44223369
Why do you think boys that are put on puberty blockers for hormone treatment later become inorgasmic? Why don't these incredible sex hormones develop an adolescent like a natural pubertal development would?
>>44223375
Have you read about the kind of kids that possess the lion's share of referrals to gender clinics? Effeminate, sensitive, and likely homosexual, adolescent males. Why are you okay with the castration of healthy young males who would otherwise turn out to be thriving gay adult men?

>>44223362
If people can always tell, then why can't they tell about me, lol. When I just started I could tell people could tell and were just being nice, so I know the difference
I also didn't post any photos, you're thinking of a different anon. I don't care about any ""movement"" either

>>44223362
why would anyone prescribe hrt for menopausal women if it's synthetic and doesn't work

>>44223383
>changes the topic
Fuck you. The topic is single sex spaces. You brought it up. Now defend it.
Why are you okay with the destruction of every single male-only space but then you suddenly go apeshit when foids have to "suffer" about 0.1% of that?

>>44223383
>puberty blockers
Those are meant to block puberty. I am not on those. However, there is no evidence that people who take puberty blockers "later become inorgasmic."

Stop them and you'll go through puberty, either one initiated by the hormones produced by your gonads or by HRT.

>>44223385
Neither of you have put forward that you're NTA, so don't expect me to be able to tell. You've probably gotten to the point that there's a degree of uncertainty, so there is a strong taboo to possibly insulting a bizarrely androgynous woman. The uncanny valley effect is primordial. I'm sure you'd probably be on par with Hunter Schafer or Salome, and they're frankly obvious males.
>>44223396
Post-menopausal treatment is a toss-up between worse outcomes and slightly better outcomes. Physicians obviously don't administer the medicine to women with a healthy endocrinology.
>>44223400
I care about regular women and regular men, I couldn't care less about what misogynistic phantasm you've conjured up.
>>44223403
You're propagandised. The Cass Review has aggregated all of the data that is supposed to show what you believe, and the meta-review has only found the opposite.

trans women are men

>>44223288
Imo they should also give an actual cure or alternative solution to dealing with gender dysphoria, if they hate trannies so much. But they never do because there isn't.

>>44223421
the cure is accepting being gay, nobody wants that, they hate gays, that's why they promote transgenderism
trans = gay

>>44223431
I should've known this was a gincel bait thread.

>>44223306
>I don't know if you've been paying attention for the last 5 years, but the number of young men and women, even kids, identifying as anything other than their natal sex has skyrocketed in the last decade
From basically nothing (around 0.1%) to almost nothing (around 0.4%). And most of those do not in fact go on hormones before age 18.
If you actually cared about castrating teenagers you'd be rallying about giving out Ritalin like candy to pupils (boys in particular).
A year on SSRIs has far worse effects on male sexuality than 5 years on HRT. And that's on adults. On children the ratio is even more lopsided.
But, of course, you don't really care about children being castrated. What you care about is people (largely adults) choosing to live in a way you disapprove of. And in the process you become the goy that does Regime enforcement. Your handlers don't give af about children either, anon. They're just using the tranny panic to distract you from more serious issues. And it's working because most people are retards anyway.
>Your "community" still polices speech & thought
My community is doing hiking and outdoors activities. Yes, we do push our "ideology" onto other spaces too because we honestly believe that more people should be doing outdoor activities and spend more time away from screens and ragebait.
We don't do speech police though. Don't know where you got that from.
>reacts with physical violence in street rallies
I've never been to a political rally of any kind ever in my life. The closest to any of that was in 2024 when I went out to celebrate my country's national football team achieving a good performance at the European Cup. There was no violence though because I'm not french, lol.

>>44223413
>I'm sure you'd probably be on par with Hunter Schafer or Salome, and they're frankly obvious males.
I'm ftm and nobody can tell, I'm tall and been on that shit since I was a kid
>>44223421
Mine is cured though

everyone can tell what you really are
detransition and be gay instead

>>44223413
>and regular men
no, you don't.
If you cared about regular men you'd be rallying against SSRIs as >>44223439 mentioned.
If you cared about regular men you'd be defending men-only spaces. But you don't. Because you're just another garden variety misandrist.
>muh Cass Review
Have you actually followed that?
Here's from last month: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5njnn8k8o
The Cass Review has in fact led to more experimentation on minors. You have no idea what you're talking about. You take your talking points from a propagandized bubble full of seething old hags who just simply hate men who dare to exist in a way foids disapprove of.
Btw, they hate you too no matter how willing you are to be their fag pet.

>>44223455
giving homophobic boys massive doses of testosterone cures them

>>44223413
>The Cass Review
I'm propagandised? If you say so . . .

>An Evidence-Based Critique of the Cass Review - https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity-project_cass-response.pdf
>Cass Review does NOT recommend banning gender-affirming care
>agrees some adolescents benefit from medical transition

>critique argues Cass misuses evidence and contradicts its own findings

>trans healthcare is held to a higher evidentiary standard than most of pediatric medicine

>randomized controlled trials are largely unethical and impractical in this field

>Cass speculates about social media, autism, peer influence, etc. without strong evidence

>care is already cautious and difficult to access
>most referred youth never receive hormones or blockers

>>44223456
nearly all homophobia in the west comes from women. and all biphobia is women.
women are the main danger to homosexual men and trans women. but you're way too much of a goy for foids to realize that.

>>44223460
Who cares? All that matters is banning homophobic transgenderism now.
Transgenderism is chemical experimentation on homosexuals and gay genocide. We are living through genocide.
Trannies ACTIVELY PROMOTE HOMOSEXUAL GENOCIDE.

>>44223440
Well yeah you're probably a passoid, but that doesn't apply to ngmi permareppers like myself.
>>44223455
Nta, what's so bad about SSRIs, I think the hate towards them is kinda overblown tbhon.

>>44223421
You have to identify that your uncomfortable relationship with manhood does not necessarily mean you must begin a treatment that destroys your endocrinology and wrecks your further outcomes. Hormone treatment is an act of self-sabotage, the same way coping with the bottle is. Looking like a male is not something to be scrubbed away, because you are a male. And this means the only option left is to learn how to accept being male.
>>44223431
Many of them aren't even homosexual, and if they would ordinarily find a nice women, I don't want to pigeon-hole them into another box.
>>44223439
>If you actually cared about castrating teenagers you'd be rallying about giving out Ritalin like candy to pupils (boys in particular).
Who says I don't? It's the same principle of over-medicalisation.
>A year on SSRIs has far worse effects on male sexuality than 5 years on HRT. And that's on adults. On children the ratio is even more lopsided.
Rubbish. I don't like anti-depressants, but that's just so transparently rubbish.
Why don't you read this post?
>>44223335
>The 5 teenage or early 20s troons I clocked on the tram during a night out who were craning over their phone like a hunchback, spotlighting themselves with their barely-brushed or washed danger hair, dressing like some pozzed street hooker despite living in a decent area -- all clearly are going to achieve the feats & milestones necessary for a young man. Do you know who I'm concerned with? It's not the perennially self-obsessed perverts like yourself. If it's not that, it's the violent ones who would otherwise be perpetrators of sexual violence
>>44223455
Teenagers and young adults on anti-depressants don't have a group identity to rally around. I have no reason to post about SSRIs, stimulants, benzodiazepines, or any other possible drug, those of which I have plenty of issues with -- because this is the tranny board.
>>44223465
It's true. What do you think of this post of mine, anon? >>44222730

>>44223471
>Many of them aren't even homosexual
100% of trannies are gay

>What do you think of this post of mine, anon?
trannies will never admit allowing trannies is motivated by conservatism, it reveals their true aim

>>44223477
You'd think so, but there are heterosexual men with wives in this thread.

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>>44223471
>same way coping with the bottle is
Alcoholism is a far better cure for gender dysphoria than anything else you've proposed.

>>44223481
most gay men marry women because they are shunned if they don't
trannies do not believe in closeted gays
they think if a man says he is straight, he is, if he sleeps with women, he must be straight

>>44223440
Nobody tells you that they can tell, because it is taboo, and they don't want to upset you. You have to get it through your head that sexual dimorphism is not playdough that you can mold to your liking. It will always remain, even if some secondary characteristics change.

>>44222725
>Gender Ideology
>only male and female sex
Very reptilian concept... Only lab grown, synthetic people are weird about natural gender variance in humans.

>>44223496
I don't live in some liberal shithole, people around me talk openly about their dislike of trannies. If they could tell I would know, they make their dislike clear to the poor souls they can tell are trans
>sexual dimorphism is not playdough that you can mold to your liking
It is though because I've done it

>>44223505
conservatives have the most motive to pretend gay men are women because their entire system is forced natalism
people WANT to pretend gay men are women, they don't want to have to acknowledge feminine men exist who like other men

>>44223505
Polite surface appearances and then complaints in separate company is quite common in conservative areas. Either that or normies appreciate that you're blending in, and you're not worth picking a fight with.

>>44223516
I'm ftm so idgaf about all that
>>44223520
The complaints are pretty damn public here

>>44223528
they also want to pretend lesbians are men
show your tits foid
inb4 no tits
show your zippers

>>44223532
Don't have either I was on hrt as a child, sorry to disappoint

>>44223528
Because many troons breach the expected social decorum, and they rightfully get reprimanded for it. It's not like I point out to people's face that I know they're trans. I don't particularly mind the ones that aren't flamboyant or aren't evidently mentally ill.

>>44223538
sorry i dont really argue with women its just too pathetic
enjoy manhood lol

>>44223528
Don't try reasoning with him anon, he's a retarded repper.

>>44223543
That's chill, people here are not like that though, when I was a kid and people could still tell they were very different about it to my face
>>44223546
low effort bait

>>44223195
>You act like you have positive mental outcomes after 'transitioning', in comparison to the difficulty before
I mean denying this fact literally requires developing amnesia
>>44223471
or you can just make your body how you actually want it to be instead of accepting existence as a miserable slave
>>44223369
you don't understand, even though it's literally the exact same molecule it's bad because it's not Natural™

>>44222725
imagine thinking you're le based for regurgitating slopaganda aimed at middle aged angle women

>>44223306
your anti-trans ideology is what requires draconian authoritarianism to be implemented, there is no force required to allow people to live how they choose to live

>>44222725
Someone photoshop OP to say "beating your children"

>>44223690
transgenderism can only exist in a climate of authoritarian censorship
If we are allowed to call you men freely you have no power over us.

>ITT OP doesnt know what a transgender man is
Many such cases.

>>44222725
>there is no "Female" or "Male" 'gender' that has attached to it innate norms and behavioural habits.

so funny how right wingers believe in libtard blank slatism just to hate on trannies. a real conservative would recognize that the cognitive/behavioral differences between the sexes are grounded in neurological differences stemming from in utero organizational effects.

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>>44222725
Lol. Lmao

Hi mossad

>>44222725
you talk a lot about how HRT is destroying our endocrine systems
I'll bite: how? be specific. I won't be satisfied with the categorical declaration that since my body doesn't make it naturally, introducing it means destroying myself. that's a cop-out
studies, data, surveys. cough up

>>44225497
It shuts down sexual function.
Question: why do trannies play dumb and act like estrogen only makes you magically look female and does nothing else? Do you think we are dumb? You do this all the time.

>>44225567
trannies don't act like that because hrt does nothing post-puberty lol. besides that, who cares if hrt makes someone infertile? why are you concerned about tgirl sperm counts? you can freeze your sperm prior to transition so reproduction isn't inhibited in any way, and in fact young preserved sperm tend to be healthier than those made by someone 35+ and with fewer congenital illnesses, birth defects, and other abnormalities.

>>44222725
>heckin' butchery!!!
Are you prepared to condemn judaism for infant genital mutilation publicly?

>>44225567
as in, penile sexual function?
for many of us yes, it does; that's the point; but sexual function absolutely remains. I've never had an issue orgasming, now I just orgasm like any woman. full body sensation, much longer lasting, twitchy. it's great.
and for many others of us, penile function remains perfectly intact
if a trans woman wants to retain sexual function, there are exercises and medication routines that can offset the effect
if she doesn't want to, then what business is it of yours?
oddly prurient to insist someone reverse a positive life change to satisfy your very specific notion of what it means to have a valid relationship with one's own sexuality no?

answer: we don't play dumb? I'm aware estrogen caused me erectile dysfunction. I wanted it because I don't like my penis or my male sexuality, and I want a vagina eventually.
estrogen also balanced my psychology in a way nothing ever did and made me want to get sober for the first time in my life
or to be more precise, feeling that I had a future, as a woman, made me want to be sober, because I want to live in the world now
I went from a gram of cannabis and 4-6 pints of beer a day to almost nothing, just using both like a typical responsible adult, 1-2 times a week

other things E did:
-made my body feel like home for the first time ever
-gave me breasts which I love as a part of my body and feel like they were missing all along
-quieted down the noise in my head to the point I don't hear it anymore
-improved my tinnitus
-cured my anorexia by making me happy to gain weight when before I hated the idea
-eliminated the stress and tension from my body because I no longer feel like I'm hiding myself
-turned me into a thriving member of my community: a regular church volunteer, a singer, a beloved poet and performer
nothing E did to me was a negative unless you impose your own desires for your life on me
you're free to want what you want, but don't tell me to put on a sweater because you're cold

>>44225633
>who cares if hrt makes someone infertile?
it also takes away your libido, genital sensation, makes it harder to orgasm, and to get erections
>that didn't happen to me
those are the general effects

>>44226907
>takes away your libido
straight wrong. for some people it decreases, for others it increases, for some the feeling just changes
>genital sensation
also wrong. the sensation changes
>makes it harder to orgasm
duh, because you're a girl now and girls take longer. estrogen changes how arousal peaks. but the orgasms are ten times better
>harder to get erections
yes. for many this is a plus. for those who don't like it, there are solutions
do we stop prescribing antidepressants because they can cause ED and make it more difficult to orgasm?
always a double standard as long as it justifies being shitty to trans people I guess

>>44222730
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Everyone loves Iran they hate fags fight jews and support trannies what more can you wish for

>>44226907
Nigga I injected everclear into my balls, I don't give a fuck about fertility or genital function lol.

>>44226949
yes

>>44226907
>it also takes away your libido, genital sensation, makes it harder to orgasm, and to get erections
Exactly what I wanted. i stopped HRT for 3 months last summer. The erections coming back made me want to kill myself.

I should add that while my gock isn't as sensitive, other parts of my body are. For example, my nipples have become major erogenous zones. It's like having two dicks trapped to my chest. I even feel arousal in my hips and lower back.

You people act like male sexuality is some universal desire. It made me miserable, so much so I used to fantasize about become a eunuch as a kid.

op is a neurotic faggot larping jordan peterson