>>44242898
probably the part where one has an actual mental disorder that saps their energy and will to live and the other is just a dude on his grindset

Ugly women who don't put any effort into their appearance also exist. Are they are less female? Incels put a lot of effort into appearance because they believe that's whats important. Incels are going to be way more looks obsessed than Samantha in accounts who just spends her weekend reading BL manga.

>>44242898
I've seen both outcomes on both sides to be desu with you, but I'm in the dysphoric camp and working on myself. Too early to see amazing results but my firsts are all really big for me. Found a local wax place, a local coalition doing weekly meets, local places to meet likeminded people, a good routine for my facial hair, a laser tool, etc. WAGMI, just work at it :>

>>44242898
please dont make fun of me i am very sensitive

>>44242902
lol true. its unfair but thats just the way it is. it sucks that you need to overcome your dysphoria to effortmaxx, but it is kind of like a snowball effect when you do get going

overcome some dysphoria -> feel able to effortmaxx a bit -> look nicer as a result -> less dysphoria -> repeat

it takes aaaagesss to get going but once you do it feels so good

>>44242935
yeah, it has taken me years of slow steady effort to build my base up and i still have so much to learn, but it does genuinely get easier with time
having female friends helps a lot with staying grounded as long as they treat you normally

>>44242898
>why dont chronically ill people want to hike mountain everest?
sure, maybe youll feel better after you start and see progress, but how are you supposed to go anywhere when youre in such a bad starting position? some pretty major things are hopeless even with surgery, clothes, voicetraining, exercise, etc.

>>44242898
I’m the dysphoric tranny. I am too acutely aware of my flaws and I let it hold me back because the self-hatred got too much at times. Imagine a constant self-critic that keeps growing in malice and coming up with new ways to self-sabotage progress the more you try.

im much more like the first option you have fior me to be where i dont wear makeup and havnt gotten a haircut in 5 years and shower every week or two and recently it was like once a month and i dont go outside but somehow people still dsay im attractive and are jealous of me and it makes me want to explode like little meat pellets all across but now everytime i throw up the bitter sludge that makes me evil my ex girlfriend keeps gets mad at me and wont kiss me now i keep bl;eeding from my gums and passing out and in places and ending up in different countries for boring reasons :((

>>44242898
most if not all things that improve your dysphoria over the long term worsen it in the short term by making you focus on your body etc., like how are you gonna voice train without listening to your voice (or making an even dumber tranny voice until you perfect it)
for a low dysphoric person it's a good tradeoff, but severely dysphoric people often literally can't force themselves through it
i know a person who couldn't take they own pics for ffs without a panic attack

>>44242898
In a way >>44242902 has a point. Trannymaxxing is as 'malebrained' as it comes. But success comes form ultimately embracing the inevitably imperfect outcome. I don't look like a 9+/10 model, but I pass as a regular boring woman, not too different from Samantha in accounts as >>44242911 puts it.
Found out the hard way that while this is great, there's still room for improvement. So I got into learning to actually love and enjoy what I've become. And it's done a lot of good.
>>44242935
True, but keep in mind that while I was (and am) non-dysphoric, I had to overcome a similar set of problems keeping me stagnant. Terminally online thought patterns, laziness, shit-tier socialization, these are all illnesses that affect most trannymaxxers the same way they affect dysphoric trannies. And the solution is still the same: start working and make things happen.
>>44242952
>how are you supposed to go anywhere when youre in such a bad starting position?
By realizing that not even trying you're guaranteeing a negative outcome 100% of the time. That's what helped me. Nothing would've improved if I hadn't started and take this seriously.
>some pretty major things are hopeless even with surgery, clothes, voicetraining, exercise, etc
?% progress is way better than 0%.
Low expectations also help. I would've never been disappointed because I didn't expect much. Even being an ugly hrt femboy with a fwb would've still been tremendous progress compared to where I started from.
>>44242926
>WAGMI, just work at it
Basically this. I wish more dysphoric trannies (especially the ones I interact with IRL) would understand this and take the advice rather than succumb to envy and resentment.
Good luck nona. ygmi if you're disciplined and you take this seriously!

>>44243125
>Basically this. I wish more dysphoric trannies (especially the ones I interact with IRL) would understand this and take the advice rather than succumb to envy and resentment.
i mean they usually understand it it's just there's only so much you can push yourself past your limits

>>44243125
>In a way >>44242902 (You) has a point. Trannymaxxing is as 'malebrained' as it comes. But success comes form ultimately embracing the inevitably imperfect outcome. I don't look like a 9+/10 model, but I pass as a regular boring woman

i had this thought after posting that. i'll preface by saying that i'm not making any sort of moral judgments and believe in bodily autonomy as long as it's not harming anyone. i think it's just a tragedy that for trannies anything that we have to put effort into is a painful reminder of what we can't ever truly be, we can only get as close as possible and sometimes that's good enough and sometimes it isn't. it depends on how lucky you are to start and how strong you are to change.

if someone is transmaxxing they don't have that same existential despair that in the end all of their effort is for an unattainable goal and they will at most reach a state of "close enough sort of." and here i don't mean becoming a supermodel 10/10 bombshell, just that we will never be cis women of any sort. transmaxxers just want a better life which can be attained with effort; though i am skeptical that the effort couldn't be used in other ways that don't involve becoming a hated minority.

there really should be more solidarity and understanding between our communities, society doesn't care why we troon out, only that we did it and should be punished for that act

>>44243169
>i mean they usually understand it
Not in my experience, no.
I have a tranny friend who looks way better than me, dresses better than me and her voice is truly cispassing (while mine sounds like an older smoker aunt). Yet I'm legally a married straight woman and she barely got out from home until a few months ago.
Until 2 months ago when she finally started taking my advice about mannerisms and demeanor seriously, she would always be assumed to be my feminine boyfriend when were both out in public, kek. Only multiple rounds of these finally convinced her that the trannymaxxer has a point.
If I had a dollar for every time I was told "this can't be done" only to then turn out that it can in fact be done, my house loan would've been smaller as I would've afforded an even bigger downpayment.
For better or worse, a lot of success as a tranny is being able to perform femininity and love doing so. Dysphoric trannies lean way too much on ideology and cope that "well akchually you dont have to" but, really, you actually have to. Cis women learn this at age 10 from loving parents. We just gotta catch up.
Are there limits? Yes, of course. But the actual limits are much further than babytrans dysphorics imagine.

I don't have dysphoria I just don't want to be male

>>44242935
When you backslide after effortmaxxing it's AWFUL.

Like you just wake up in the morning and dysphoria cripples you because you slept funny or whatever.

>>44243221
>though i am skeptical that the effort couldn't be used in other ways
You think I didn't try? After 8 years (from age 16 to 24) of being invisible to both men and women (bifag starting point) I just had to make a decision. I failed. Maybe it is/was my fault (and at least in part likely was). But I'll never know for sure. And dwelling on the past won't change anything.
>that don't involve becoming a hated minority
Cultural difference, ig. There's a huge difference between what's said in public and how reality on the field works.
In theory, my country hates trannies. In practice, I have yet to meet anyone who truly gives a fuck except turboautists who rarely get out in public anyway.
This thursday I socialized with unironic neonazi ultras at a football game. At least two knew im a tranny. The worst that happened was that one called me a cute femboy jokingly. Oh no, what a tragedy.
>transmaxxers just want a better life
And dysphoric trannies don't? Like, seriously, we all want the same things ultimately: a loving spouse, decent security and a shot at some form of joy in this life.
>there really should be more solidarity and understanding between our communities
There is no trannymaxxing community, nona. We're shunned by all trans spaces the second we admit why we trooned. And even if I don't admit (and I don't, not anymore) there's still prevailing resentment.
Me and my now husband were heavily questioned at a queer party because "this event is for queer people not for privileged cishetero couples". You know what? fuck that. We left and never went back. That wasn't the first time I experienced being "othered" by supposed "allies" but it was the moment I got convinced of the opposite of your claim.
When I needed that mythical 'solidarity', trannies shunned me because I didn't dream about being a girl at 6. Now I'm returning the favor. I will continue to gladly help individual trannies IRL but that's it. I'm done with the 'community'.

>>44243322
>"this event is for queer people not for privileged cishetero couples"
A BIG NTA
now thats kinda funny, i feel like that should be anyones endgoal here, just to be perceived as a normal hetero couple
i certainly would want that

>>44242898
If I were to guess I would think the reasoning for the irrational behaviour would be something like: 'putting in effort to be something proves you are not genuinely that thing'

>>44243342
Heh, you're not wrong.
But the thing is we were there to also support someone who is now a family friend. And also the music was surprisingly good.
Still, trannies othered me when I was an incel, othered me when I was clocky, othered me when I dared to financially effortmaxx, and othered me when I actually made it. I can't be blamed for being tired of this shit and just stopping giving a damn. Especially since now I'm married and have things to look forward to.
I hope one day, when I'm older, I'll have the time and energy to help more people individually or maybe run my own support group. But until then, I'll be counted out from 'solidarity'. Especially for as long as extremist brainworms run amok through the 'community'.

>>44243322
i think there's been a misunderstanding of my tone
>And dysphoric trannies don't? Like, seriously, we all want the same things ultimately: a loving spouse, decent security and a shot at some form of joy in this life.
i'm in full agreement with this, i meant it like they are just trying to make their way in this world like anyone else and shouldn't be hated for that

i'm sorry for the things said to you and what you've gone through, genuinely.

>>44243379
Did you ever get dysphoric from unwanted changes?

>>44242898
this makes sense though.
incel maxers want the social role, they want to belong to a set group in order to reap the benefits, so inherently they have to do it. trannies transition because of dysphoria, which hrt alleviates to a large degree without any effort. like every other retard on this site, you conflate being a tranny with wanting to switch roles in cishet society, rather than what it is, dysphoria.

>>44243428
Nope.
I lowkey don't believe 'reverse dysphoria' exists. I'm just as dysphoric now as I was in 2017. Which is none at all.

>>44243615
are you ultimately happy with your own body now?

>>44242898
pre ffs: put in effort, get no reward
post ffs: put in effort, get reward
thats why i only started effortmaxxing post surgery
if you're a luckshit or youngshit the effort pays off if you're a moided lateshit like i was it doesnt

>>44243615
I'm kinda convinced that's the case too, but also that what a lot of people describe as reverse dysphoria is literally just guilt.

>>44243615
i have a question
how big is your bust and underbust and hip measures

>>44244098
excluding trans people, do you think anyone can transition and that their feelings after transitioning depend exclusively on whether their quality of life improves or worsens?

>>44242935
for me its the opposite, the less dysphoria i have, the less effort i'm going to put in because i don't feel it necessary, whereas the more dysphoric i am, the more i'll want to effortmaxx to get out of it

>>44244026
Yeah, tho i found out why trannies get srs. So i will do that.
At "worst" i hated my body because it didnt give me what i wanted: a lover and more friends. Now i have what i wanted so ofc im happier. I also moved on from being resentful.

>>44243244
kek, thats me
I just really really didnt want to be a man anymore. Well, in addition to being a perv ofc.

>>44244271
Do I think anyone can transition? Absolutely not. Do I think the people who transmaxx are liable to get reverse dysphoria? Absolutely not.

>>44243125
>ygmi if you're disciplined and you take this seriously!
Thank you anon, I'm hopeful. Lots to work on though ;_; maybe dermatologist appointment can be next month, fix this fuckass scalp issue.

>>44244932
I meant it as a single question. If a non dysphoric person were to transition, do you think their feelings would depend entirely on their quality of life after transitioning or do you think they would experience reverse dysphoria?

>>44245025
Some might get dysphoric but others probably not. But also what "dysphoria" is is fuzzy and people don't agree.

>>44242898
idk about all this. i wasnt an incel and i dont agree with most of them now but i had incel tendencies/mindset while having a gf. but im dysphoric and a lateshit hieghthon

for me i put in bare minimum effort and manmode but dont whine all day bc i appreciate every minor change like a lot. everything is such a huge improvement why would i cry about whats not changing? ive lived as a giant forever im used to it.

>>44242911
>Ugly women who don't put any effort into their appearance also exist. Are they are less female?
its this, i guess i mentally trooned like way before medically and internalized this hard. i care about passing but i dont value it that way. i dont really associate gender and appearance, and like i know that means no social validation but im antisocial anyway so whatev. yes thats cope but what else am i gonna do?


i guess since im old im also skipping some of the stuff. like im practicing makeup and outfits but im not going crazy on it just being subtle and mindful about it

>>44242926
yeah i agree. like im not gonna make it by ttt standards but those arent exactly my standards. im pretty sure im gonna get what i want its just gonna take a while but im patient to a fault and have reasonable expectations

>>44245221
>Some might get dysphoric but others probably not.
What do you think would cause this difference?

>>44242898
>nondysphoric ex-incel trannymaxxers
this isn't a real thing

im 6'5 so theres no reason to exert any effort

>>44245269
I assume those who already have baseline negative androgyny are less likely to get reverse dysphoria.

>>44244710
>tho i found out why trannies get srs. So i will do that
nta but wdym "found out why"?

>>44244247
>bust
93cm
>underbust
83cm
>hip
89cm

>>44245458
mogs me

>>44245236
You sound like a golden woman nona. Good luck with it all.

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>>44242898
A transmaxx thread? Woah
>>44245458
Nta but my measurements are here >>44244551, I made a post or two on this board last month thinking I was only 160cm but I ended up getting properly measured and Im 168cm actually just like my mother, though that linked thread OP was a little too doomer even though I just added it to get replies
>>44244932
So far I havent gotten any feelings of reverse dysphoria, Im actually kinda liking my breasts growing ngl
I also decided to give myself a little lower body routine and I think its also working, and Ive been eating more
Im 19 and 20 next month, and since I made my own thread earlier, as a student Im still actually living with my parents as its easier than renting given Ljubljana isnt a super big city, and ngl, I think I lucked out because my mother is entirely supporting (though I lied about having dysphoria to her) so I dont even know what Im doing here, I guess its nice to read what others in my situation are doing like
>>44243493
Being a manlet fucking sucks as a man ngl, so a female social role is much better for me I agree

>>44245567
>So far I havent gotten any feelings of reverse dysphoria, Im actually kinda liking my breasts growing ngl
lmao

>>44245458
What's your bideltoid and hip breadth?

>>44245596
Whats funny

>>44242898
so are women who dont put all the effort they can into appearance less so of women? plus incels are so insanely focused on looks it makes sense theyd try to be femme as possible, especially considering the fact they want to like start over or whatever ?-w-?
>>44242911
ja exactly this, and as a enby transfemme it honestly makes sense for a lot of heavily dysphoric people to put in less effort no? because we tend to feel more hopeless even if we have the ability to use estrogen. i get ops point but its kinda funny saying this as if incels arent equally as doomer as a lot of us transfems lul TwT

>>44245567
>Ljubljana
Hello, fellow eastern european trannymaxer :)
>measurements
>Im 19 and 20 next month
You'll be fine. Remember not to take this board seriously. It's full of american failures, literal shizoretards and disinformation agents.
Also, stay away from anglo ideologies. All of them. "right wing", 'left wing", doesn't matter. If it's anglo, it's brainworms and retardation.
If you want to trannymaxx, make sure you follow your plan and ignore what cretins on the sidelines have to say. It's YOUR life and you do whatever you want.
Also, please, stop using "kms" even ironically. You have a right to be happy.
At 3mo you're still very early but you can already start voice training, do laser and even femboy mode since this summer is hot enough that can allow this.

>>44245606
>bideltoid
44cm
>hip breadth
33cm, i think. It's been a while since I cared.
Some people here are more obsessed with the numbers than I ever was, ngl.
I will also say that 8+ years of hrt, more careful diet and exercise has changed quite a bit of those numbers too.

>>44245613
least dysphoric transmaxxer

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>>44245749
>Hello, fellow eastern european trannymaxer :)
Hi where are you at generally
>You'll be fine. Remember not to take this board seriously. It's full of american failures, literal shizoretards and disinformation agents.
I noticed, and noticed it a lot. So much doomer stuff
>Also, please, stop using "kms" even ironically. You have a right to be happy.
Zoomer slang that became regular vocabulary, I dont plan on killing myself at all if I can actually improve my life instead like this
>can already start voice training
Im trying to but its going a little slowly ngl, I dont exactly know what to try but I saw some things online
>even femboy mode since this summer is hot enough that can allow this.
I probably should try something like that, to try and boost confidence maybe it would work but I have nowhere specific to go atm, but I have been dressing in womens clothing I bought at least at home so far every day and it fits me nicely

>>44245801
Are you stealth passing?

>>44245836
Hi whats a 99th percentile chest breadth

>>44245025
NTA but i think i'm more appropriate to respond to this, and maybe >>44245567 too.
>If a non dysphoric person were to transition, do you think their feelings would depend entirely on their quality of life after transitioning or do you think they would experience reverse dysphoria?
The answer is neither.
My quality of life was the same (that is to say shit) almost 2 years into transition. But I still experienced zero 'reverse dysphoria' and zero regret. If I had ended up failing, I would've coped as an hrt femboy or something similar.
>>44245426
Long term use of hrt makes at least orchi a good idea. Especially if you're one whose balls continue to stay active (turns out that's me) and thus require AAs. Also, anal prep simply sucks long term.

>>44245901
I (>>44245822) think I want to go for srs eventually, not like Ill ever have a use for my penis as I didnt have any already and if I will be married to a guy, its better to not have one I think

>>44245822
>where are you at generally
around ~1000km east.
>if I can actually improve my life instead like this
"worst" case scenario you prevent balding and have nicer skin. If you're sexually into men ygmi even in "worst" case scenarios.
But with those measurements ygmi if you're disciplined. Just be realistic with the expectations.
>its going a little slowly ngl
Persistence pays off. And don't be shy to practice it at the store or in other meaningless interactions in public.
>I have nowhere specific to go atm
Maribor used to be the stereotype of a femboy city. Also, i think Klub Tiffany still exists in Ljubljana, no? I had great fun as a non-passing tranny there in 2019.
>it fits me nicely
Time to wear them in public, nona. If your mother is supportive, stay on her head (figuratively, but you get the phrase) to teach you how to make up and how to style.
Trust me on this, the faster you get comfortable with this, the better it is for you long term. Don't make my mistake of just waiting for almost 2 years.
>>44245836
Since 6 months after FFS, yes.
Some autist from here would likely clock me (my voice sounds like an old smoker aunt) but normal people don't care. Language is gendered and there is no way to speak gender-neutral. So there's a referendum on my passing every single day. Haven't been addressed in the masculine for years by people who don't know i'm a tranny. Since all my paperwork says F and I'm legally married (in a country that does not recognize gay marriage), I'll probably be fine long term too.

>>44245900
Like 12.5" upper rib breadth. I was using ansur data. It's a deformity from lung damage as a baby.

Funnily enough it gives me a tapered underbust despite horrid measurements there so...

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>>44246022
Okay yeah thanks, sorry Im a little sleepy I would answer more but thanks for advice
Im going to do all I can

>>44242898
I remember seeing a timeline where a guy had some disease and he had to go on E to survive (ok, now reading this it was probably a feitsh post), but the pictures showed a normal guy then a nerdy cute girl. even if it was fake, the idea of transitioning without any expectations seemed really compelling.

>>44246167
I mean yeah, everyone likes that
being forced to transition frees you from the shame and guilt of choosing it, which is why forcefem is so popular

>>44245948
>and if I will be married to a guy, its better to not have one I think
This board will tell you the opposite,lol.
In reality, this is something that you decide for yourself. I got married as preop, but i am on a waitlist.
IRL (especially in this part of the world) men who like trannies will like trannies either way. The best argument for srs is that anal prep really sucks. Btw, you should/could also practice that. It's actually fun.
>not like Ill ever have a use for my penis
You don't know that yet.
This is something to think of at least 1.5 years from now.

>>44244098
>what a lot of people describe as reverse dysphoria is literally just guilt
I mean i get it for those with a religious background, maybe.
But, more broadly, I don't understand guilt. To me it's simple: if you don't like the direction, then stop, reassess and change.

>>44246182
>This board will tell you the opposite,lol.
those are chasers xister

>>44246227
nta but it's also trannies who internalized that form of negging. Or use it as a cope for the real reason they don't want or won't get srs.

>>44246309
i try do my job by always saying that straight non chasers prefer srsussies over dicks

>>44246219
Religious, societal, familial, romantic, sexual, feminist, etc.

All sorts of routes for guilt.

>>44246401
>Religious, societal, feminist
nta but you don't need to repeat yourself. these are all religions.

>>44246487
Nah they're pretty distinct as someone who has severe religious issues (thanks Christian school I loved praying to not be gay after I imagined being impregnated by a man at age 12 very cool)

>>44246573
>I imagined being impregnated by a man at age 12
new lore

>>44246633
Is it? I mean I know I've said that I broke down crying and praying when I fantasized about the idea of having sex with a guy at that age multiple times here before...

>>44242898
>nondysphoric ex-incel trannymaxxers end up living more or less normal lives as normal women
post 1 example of this happening

>>44243291
>Like you just wake up in the morning and dysphoria cripples you because you slept funny or whatever.

I pass when i get 8 hours sleep, and i became a giga rape hon when i get no sleep, its fucking wild

>>44244271
Some moids, no matter the circumstances, would rather kill themselves than get bent over and fucked

>>44246757
Finn

>>44246782
me but it's with my hair except in the summer it's always hot and humid and my hair gets awful no matter what I do ;_;

>>44246822
Matted hair is gods way of punishing us

>>44246841
I have shitty wavy, fine hair. The natural color is gorgeous but the texture is satanic.

>>44246854
Have you tried nano? Its a Brazilian treatment

>>44246810
thats what i think about 90% of men

>>44246863
I mean the stats point to about 93.5% of moids, based on who identifies as gay and mtf.

Being fucked feels natural for me, but i still remember my moid friends pre transition thinking gay sex was the worst thing on planet earth

>>44246816
finn lives nothing at all like a normal person let alone a normal woman. He is essentially a neet that has no friends outside of OF creators and has no interests except OF. A neet whose life centers around porn is not a success story.

>>44246859
No. What's that? Right now I use the Love Your Curls 3 step and occasionally use this repair serum or deep conditioner.

>>44246882
Finn makes more in one hour than i make in 5 years.

But you're right, i concede finn is abnormal. When xe gets married to a man and hangs up the streaming then that will prove it isnt a total grift

>>44246893
Its a chemical treatment, has to be done professionally, and takes about 5 hours but its the god tier for keeping hair straight regardless of the weather

>>44246867
i still make fun of it with some of my friends. It's so funny

>>44246909
I like slight waves, to be honest. It's just about reducing frizz.

>>44246919
Worth enquiring about, might be a solution. Hairdressers are basically magicians at this point

>>44246902
I think he’s in it too deep to back out. I think the plan is there to eventually detransition and use his banked sperm and fortune to live a ”normal” life, but in practice I think its hard to go back to a ”boring” normal life after his current lifestyle, but who knows

>>44246928
Once you've tasted estrogen, its like heroin but better. He will never detrans, ever

unironically, i got something like reverse dysphoria from hrt. i find female secondary sex characteristics repulsive, so it made me find my body disgusting, even as it alleviated my dysphoria lol.
i was almost kind of proud of my body before in a dissociated way, because from an objective standpoint i think male features are beautiful. i wonder if any other tranny feels this way too.

>>44246931
I think its probable he wont, but certainly the plan exists. He’s still doing the femboy grift.

>>44246924
I am visiting a salon next weekend so I'll see if the hairdresser has any good advice.

>>44246816
you think finnster is a transmaxxer? I just thought they were a repper who went the onlyfans route

>>44246954
Xe got ffs. You dont do that if you plan on giving up anytime soon

>>44246954
he’s not a transmaxxer in the traditional sense since he’s motivated by the intrinsic act of transitioning which clearly excites him. But he’s also identifying as a femboy and is a dishonest grifter

>>44246810
>>44246867
nta
idk about sui (never was suicidal, I love life), but certainly bending over and getting fucked was not something I considered before acquiring a feminization fetish.
And then I trooned for the fetish, heh.
>Being fucked feels natural for me
Certainly does now. Especially after SRS.
>i still remember my moid friends pre transition thinking gay sex was the worst thing on planet earth
Same although now they moved on and think the worst thing is sex as a post-op tranny. It's all friendly banter tho.

>>44246757
NTA but the point of living a more or less normal life as a normal woman is precisely to NOT be an e-celeb.
The vast majority of people are not e-celebs and don't post their lives publicly.
I only have two other tranny friends IRL, everyone else is cis (mostly female). Zero people that I know (including me and my husband) are e-celebs or micro-celebs of any kind. We're boring people with boring jobs who sometimes show up at festivals and that's about it.

>>44247029
>The vast majority of people don't post their lives publicly.
huh?

>>44247012
>Same although now they moved on and think the worst thing is sex as a post-op tranny

I never disclose and laugh in my head when straight moids fuck me

>>44247039
What's unclear? There are 8.5 billion people on earth. Half of them don't have social media at all. Of the remaining half, 80%+ have minimal social media presence and private profiles.
I stand by what I said: the vast majority of people don't post their lives publicly. And with increasing awareness of surveillance, doxxing and social media addiction, that percentage will continue to grow as even zoomers are figuring it out that it's just not healthy and long term a terrible idea.
I realize that people on this board can't conceptualize this but I hope at least lurkers consider it.
You can in fact live very well without social media and without posting about yourself under your real name.

>>44247075
What you’re saying was true 20 years ago, fact is everyone and their mother is posting everything they can on social media. In fact its so bad countries are trying to ban social media for kids and phones in school and shit because it’s all-consuming.

>>44247067
Yeah, that sounds risky.
I am a perv but I am a monogamous perv. My bf of course knows (we've been together since before I got the snip). I also prefer he reminds me I used to be a straight man.
To each her own, ig.

>>44247108
I agree with this anon, zoomers document their crimes, they record everything, if its not recorded it didnt happen, in their mind

>>44247118
>Yeah, that sounds risky.

It is. They could legally kill me if they knew, but they dont muhahaha

I am a bit envious though, having a bf sounds nice

>>44243615
if reverse dysphoria doesn't exist then where the fuck does dysphoria come from. like are we just uniquely particular about our bodies and your average cissoid just wouldn't give a fuck or

>>44247075
>There are 8.5 billion people on earth. Half of them don't have social media at all. Of the remaining half, 80%+ have minimal social media presence and private profiles.
no need to say all that to make it sound right. young normies post their lives online anon

>>44247108
>fact is everyone and their mother is posting everything they can on social media
This is objectively false.
But I'm aware that this board quite literally can't conceptualize that the world is not in fact widely composed of terminally online phone-addicted zoomers and retarded boomers who are unaware that the internet is forever.
>countries are trying to ban social media for kids and phones in school and shit because it’s all-consuming
I'm aware. I also support these measures and I think they don't go far enough.
If it were up to me I'd institute a 20000% (yes, twenty thousand per cent) VAT-like tax on every single smartphone. The vast majority of people should never own smartphones at all.
Also, automatic deletion or forced splitting of any forum that reaches more than say 200 million monthly active users for more than 3 or 6 months in a row. Antitrust should absolutely be a tool used in this case as well.
Also, Europe-style GDPR rules should be the norm everywhere but also with teeth.
It will happen, eventually. Especially as zoomers are way too retarded and simply refuse to become functional humans so it'll have to be done by force.

>>44247159
>young normies post their lives online anon
Why exactly should the most retarded generation in human existence (measurably so) from a tiny portion of the world (the US is under 5% of the world) be the standard for the World?
The vast majority of young normies do not in fact do this at all. The vast majority of americans might, but Idgaf about subhumans.

>>44245236
pretty much everyone except incels defines incels by their mindset. so even if you are technically not an incel you can still be considered one if you think like one

>>44247184
anon
im brazilian

>>44247124
>if its not recorded it didnt happen, in their mind
you're on 4chan
"pics or it didnt happen" was a slogan 20 fucking years ago. It's not a new mentality. It is wider spread just not as widespread as that anon claims.
The algorithmic bubbles fried a lot of brains. Way too many now believe that all sorts of minute and marginal things and practices are widespread when they're really not.

>>44247145
i suspect it actually comes after the desire to change sex as a feeling of perceived incapability to do so. transmaxxers dont get it cause they start off androgynous anyway, see detrooning as a viable option, or both

>>44247219
Zoomers are the most retarded generation in brazil too (and everywhere in the world).
Also, in Brazil, 1/3 of the populace doesn't use social media at all. Of the 150 million active social media users, more than 2/3 have private profiles and low posting activity (though relatively high lurking activity).
It's easy to look those stats up yourself.
You're simply wrong to describe an absolutely marginal behavior as the norm. It's not the norm. The norm is to lurk and have your brains fried by shit-tier goyslop on instagram/tiktok.

>>44247169
the world is terminally online, you need apps to take a shit quite literally with digital pay bathrooms. Listing any aspect of life that isnt online would make a short list.

>>44247269
sure but then where does the desire to change sex come from

>>44247263
>transmaxxers dont get it cause they start off androgynous anyway
NTA but other than height, there was almost nothing androgynous about me.
>see detrooning as a viable option
For the first two years, yeah, kinda. Then decided I like how this is going and scheduled srs.
Now the fact that detrooning is not an option puts a smile on my face.

>>44247279
>I don't touch grass at all
That or you live in Sweden or some other turboautistic place.
Digital pay bathrooms are very VERY rare, anon. Fuck, even Sweden dropped them because people would rather take a shit next to them.
I traveled in 90+ countries and still don't own a smartphone. You have no idea just how ignorant you are about how real people live.
>Listing any aspect of life that isnt online would make a short list
This is akin to saying the earth is flat. You are simply wrong and it's hilarious how unaware of it you really are.
Algorithms fried your brain.

>>44247283
dysphoria

>>44247306
huh you nailed down where I live, I’ll stop posting now and admit defeat

>>44245749
does marxism count as an anglo ideology? asking for a friend

>>44247283
nta but Brazil has a much longer tranny history than most of the world.
Associação das Travestis e Liberados has been around since 1990 (or 92?) and the government was concerned with this since at least the 1980s. Long before the internet.
You can make a case about learning how to troon through the internet in countries with very rare or no history of this prior to the widespread use of the internet. But not in Brazil (or Thailand).

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>enlightened centrist (conservative) friend stops talking to me when i start being slightly more outspoken with my political views
thank god nonas, i was dreading having to cut things off with him but this makes things so much easier. having that shitty moid as my friend is one of the reasons i repped for so long.
no way he'd support my transition, consider this a celebratory thread!!
baby steps.

>any jax reaction images are welcome too, i need to work on my folder

>>44247350
im sorry why the FUCK did it post this shit here. please disregard.
this is really embarassing i forgot i was on this thread.
oops
fuck me
im so stupid
:(

>>44247283
fuck wrong reply i meant to reply to >>44247263

>>44247338
>you nailed down where I live
That's because Sweden is literally the only place on Earth where I saw digital pay bathrooms.
Btw, I paid 5kr cash to a Chinese criminal who was running an illegal bathroom so I didnt take a shit in public but instead violated your retarded fiscal laws and your previous government's gigaretardation of pushing digitalization into every aspect of life.
I am glad to read that Sweden is slowly turning back to sanity (official guidance to hold cash, removal of school tablets, removal of Swish everywhere, etc.)
The world will heal. And Sverige too.

>>44247269
you are completely out of touch with reality and sound genuinely insane. the point is that most normies in the younger generations (zoomers and millennials) post themselves online. stop moving the goalposts by including every single person on earth, old people (65+), people in extreme poverty, etc. retard

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>>44247350
fellow jax fan haiii

>>44247371
>stop moving the goalposts by including every single person on earth
That was my initial claim right from the getgo: a global claim.
Why shouldn't I include every single person on earth? That's how we figure out if a behavior is normative or not.
Retarded burger zoomers are not the default for humanity, anon.
>the point is that most normies in the younger generations (zoomers and millennials) post themselves online
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
But i get it. You still haven't done any introspection about how fried your brain is. You'll figure it out eventually.

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>>44247283
maybe from their elected officials? (picrel)

>>44247392
>Why shouldn't I include every single person on earth?
oh i wonder why
>You still haven't done any introspection about how fried your brain is. You'll figure it out eventually.
says the person who thinks everyone who disagrees with them is an american zoomer addicted to social media

>>44247363
Pretty cool that you’re traveled well enough to catch that.

>>44247414
shut up I didn't mean to reply to the brazil

>>44247145
>like are we just uniquely particular about our bodies and your average cissoid just wouldn't give a fuck or
NTA but lowkey I do believe that the average cissoid wouldn't be horrified if they'd wake up in the body of the opposite sex.
I could be wrong (it's not like anyone studied this seriously or that it can be studied realistically). But really most cissoids are pretty meh about their natal sex and genuinely don't give af. They don't experience gender euphoria too often either and really don't think about this.
Of course, my perspective is tainted but, still: I trooned for the fetish.
Before leaning into the fetish, I was fine with being a straight man. Never sad, never too euphoric either. Just fine. Fucking my gf was fun. Now, way on the other side of it (srs, rib remodeling, ffs), I'm euphoric about it. Socially idgaf that much. Most of life is not gendered anyway. But sexually it was a great idea for me.

>>44247555
I could see myself taking your route, I have good starting stats, but it seems like my sex drive just isn't high enough to warrant it

>>44247555
>the average cissoid wouldn't be horrified if they'd wake up in the body of the opposite sex.
i think they would probably do all sorts of stuff to satiate their curiosity in a few days or something. then get bored of it and want to change back

>>44247555
>NTA but lowkey I do believe that the average cissoid wouldn't be horrified if they'd wake up in the body of the opposite sex.

Funny, i think the opposite, based on my experience

>>44247770
>based on my experience
expand

>>44247774
Ive tried to explain dysphoria to cis women

>imagine you woke up tomorrow with a face full of hair
>imagine your voice became deep and booming
>imagine thick matted hair grew all over your breasts
>how would you feel? Horrible? Ugly? Upset? Thats how i felt going through the wrong puberty

Its actually helped a few understand a bit better. Most cis women would become extremely depressed if they suddenly underwent a male puberty, i dont think many cis people would cope with gender dysphoria at all

>>44247678
>i think they would probably do all sorts of stuff to satiate their curiosity in a few days or something. then get bored of it
Yes.
>and want to change back
See, this is where i disagree. I think most would get bored and just adapt.
>>44247673
>it seems like my sex drive just isn't high enough to warrant it
This is fair. I mean even after 8yrs on hrt and 4yrs post op my sex drive is still very high. Sure, not as high as 9 years ago, but not significantly lower. I still sometimes outpace my bf.
But while a high sex drive helps, what helped the most was a total giving in to the fetish. After all most of sex drive is in the brain.
Mine collapsed in the first few months of hrt (as it often happens to most) but I still wanted to continue because the idea with which I started was still just as hot even if the body wasn't fully cooperating.
I also left offramps every step of the way all the way till srs, just in case something goes wrong or I change my mind.

>>44247789
it definitely turns me on talking about it and imagining it as my future, but idk what will happen to my sex drive on hrt. I suppose I could try it for a few months and stop if it dies. I took an SSRI once that make jerking off give me 0 pleasure so hopefully it's not that bad

>>44247788
interesting. im >>44247678
i did ask a lot of questions about this to both women and men, but never gave a very detailed explanation about GD

>>44247853
Give it a try, ask the questions i asked.

I get it, cis people imagine sexual fun as the opposite sex, but they dont actually like the reality of it. A lot of cis men would end themselves if they underwent srs, and their only way to experience sexual pleasure was by having a bigger, stronger, more dominant man use them (hot)

>>44247888
>cis people imagine sexual fun as the opposite sex
exactly what happened lmao

>>44247851
>I suppose I could try it for a few months and stop if it dies
It can take months for it to come back.
Mine died in the second month or so and came back in month 9 or 10. A few months (under 6) won't give you a definitive answer.
>I took an SSRI once that make jerking off give me 0 pleasure so hopefully it's not that bad
I never took SSRIs but I could jerk off on hrt. I just largely chose not to and masturbated anally and with vibrators. Not only it's way better and more fun than a simple wank but my objective was to be a submissive srsoid.

>>44247888
NTA
>A lot of cis men would end themselves if they underwent srs
Yes, but that's because the recovery is harsh.
Lots of trannies succumb to depression in the first months after srs too.
Like one postop tranny I knew told me not to get it because it's 4 months of pain and stinging. And I was like "ONLY 4 months? it's not that bad".
A lot fewer would off themselves if they were to just basically wake up a pooner.
>and their only way to experience sexual pleasure was by having a bigger, stronger, more dominant man use them
uh, literally that's why I trooned.

>>44247918
how many months into HRT were you when you came out? I don't want to come out unless I completely pass or the fetish is ruined

>>44247984
>completely pass

Someone tell her

>>44248039
idc if it takes 5 years i'd rather kms than be a hon. though i have a lot of potential

>>44248039
It really does depend on one's definition and location. I pass full stealth now in my country, but I wouldn't pass in quite a few others.
In a world full of fat cishons, a relatively fit tranny with ffs with good voice and not too tall really doesn't get clocked at all.
But then again, I live in a country that doesn't suffer from tranny derangement syndrome and doesn't have many 4chan clockers in public (the few that do exist stay in their rooms lol).
>>44247984
Oh, it was three years. But that's because I started in 2018 and the idea was to come out in 2020 which, well, got derailed.
But I started going out in fem about a year in. I didn't care to pass right away. To me it was fine even once I started being seen as a twinkhon or as a femfag. Masochistic emasculation is my fetish. I actually started passing when FFS healed, so about 3 years in.
But again, for me it was a sexual thing, not a visual thing. Idgaf that I don't look like a top 10% woman. I'm okay with being a mid that is seen as a woman even in shorts and shirt with no make up or naked at the beach.
My fetish gets triggered when my bf reminds me that I used to fuck women or he shows me a guy on the street that is about my height and tells me I could've been him. Sometimes he doesn't even have to do anything. I mostly wake up in the morning next to him already horny and I initiate sex while i remember that 10 years ago I'd wake up with a morning wood next to my gf.
If your fetish is visual (bimbo doll or something adjacent), then you have quite a bit of work to do. HRT alone won't do that much.

>>44248157
rn i'm 5'7" 118lbs (no muscle) small frame tiny hands wide hips but average ass. face is masc but i can afford ffs now... voice i've yet to work on. so there's a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

>>44248157
>It really does depend on one's definition and location. I pass full stealth now in my country, but I wouldn't pass in quite a few others.
>In a world full of fat cishons, a relatively fit tranny with ffs with good voice and not too tall really doesn't get clocked at all.
>But then again, I live in a country that doesn't suffer from tranny derangement syndrome and doesn't have many 4chan clockers in public (the few that do exist stay in their rooms lol).

Non brit detected. Pregnant women get accused of being trans in terf island

>>44248112
>idc if it takes 5 years i'd rather kms than be a hon. though i have a lot of potential

Factors within factors. The god of biomechanics is cruel and arbitrary. We are but shadows and dust

>>44248180
Yeah, you'll be fine.
Just be realistic about the objectives. And be fully honest with yourself about what's your driver. Dont let online brainworms get to you that doing X instead of Y is more 'valid' or any of that shit.
You're about my height and slightly lighter than I was when I started. Your longest issue will be weight cycling, as that can't be sped up. I still noticed changes like 5 years in after I recovered from srs.
>>44248188
of course im not british or burger. thank god i wasnt born angloid.
i still meant what I said tho. Actual stealth passing is possible, just not in the magical way that most chuds and quite a few trannies imagine.

>>44248251
I don't have dysphoria so the whole validity thing is totally ridiculous imo
I'm fine with people transitioning for any reason conceivable.

>>44248281
Sure. But I have talked to trannymaxxers in the past who let this shit get to their heads. That's why I thought about mentioning it.
Of course it's ridiculous. But people believe and internalize all sorts of ridiculous things. After all, what I did is also ridiculous. It's a ridiculous world. Might as well do what we like in the short time we have here.

>>44248251
>thank god i wasnt born angloid.

If you can pass on terf island, nothing is impossible.

>>44248298
>After all, what I did is also ridiculous

Fall in love and get married? Sounds like winning to me. You found love. You just had to take a longer route

>>44246933
>i find female secondary sex characteristics repulsive, so it made me find my body disgusting, even as it alleviated my dysphoria
huh???? so you get dysphoria both ways but female less, or what? I am utterly baffled

>>44248298
I think the hard part for me will be eradicating my male/masc self. othern than my appearance i have a typical bro personality

>>44248855
>I think the hard part for me will be eradicating my male/masc self.

Once you've been penetrated with a big dick by a real man, you'll soon realise you could never compete

>>44248316
I probably can because I'm just not that ugly, lol.
>>44248322
Not married yet (tho likely soon). I fell in love both as a straight man and as a subby tranny.

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>>44242898
tfw the people without the debilitating mental disorder do better in life than those with it. but seriously it's probably that those who have a harder time passing would have more apparent features of their birth sex making them more dysphoric and there by more depressed making it harder to pass so it's a bit of a self fulfilling thing.

>>44248855
Although >>44249124 phrases it kinda crudely, it's ultimately not wrong.
I did get more straight cisf friends and leaned into imitating them and that helped a lot. But actually submitting to a man helped way more.

>>44245901
I know it doesnt matter, but for some reason, people are really angry about this https://x.com/i/status/2078264534658343292 twitter post and the fact that its clearly showing the guys being men towards their girlfriends
Why would you not want the guy to act like the man in a relationship

>>44242898
effort can only save you if you're lucky

>>44250162
youtube/x internet drama does nothing to me. i cant get angry at obvious ragebait.
however, that kind of ragebait is still toxic. Some of those segments are cute but most are entitled bitch behavior which should not in fact be encouraged.
like the one where he already carries all the stuff and asks him to carry them with one hand? that's revolting. Be grateful he carries your stuff, sheesh!
I am lighter and smaller than my husband but the only time I accepted being carried was when I had a leg injury and was unsure whether it's broken or not. In those clips that's not the case at all.
>Why would you not want the guy to act like the man in a relationship
I absolutely want and love that my husband acts like the man in the relationship. But I am his life partner and thus a functional adult, not his dependant princess or a child.
I am now old enough to see how a lot of these spoiled women end up later in life. Let's just say that almost none of them develop a feeling of being grateful and are rarely the kind of people anyone enjoys being around.

Can't afford FFS so why should I bother

>>44250445
I couldn't either when I started.

>>44250396
nta but the brain really is plastic as hell
a former incel like yourself just talks exactly like a woman including similar points and way of expression
maybe gender really is meaningless for faketranny trutranny shit and the only thing that matters is effort

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>>44250396
nta, hi you were in other trannymaxxing threads
i just want to update by saying i got a little haul of womenswear, albeit the only decent pic of myself i could get is https://litter.catbox.moe/dvwmr2.jpg in this pairing and i think i look ok in it at least
buying things alone surrounded by women was a little scary though i thought something would happen because i was there

>>44252163
>https://litter.catbox.moe/dvwmr2.jpg
CUTE

>>44252163
>buying things alone surrounded by women was a little scary though i thought something would happen because i was there
Nothing will happen to you, nona.
Very good that you went to buy physically. Next time ask for tips from the vendors.
Looks great on you. You should wear it in public. Take advantage of the summer and the fact that you live in a chill place. Get used to it. You're way ahead of where I was at your age. Ygmi if you stay serious and disciplined.
There is another advantage to getting used to wearing these early on: you also get used simultaneously to walking in a more fem pattern, which eventually becomes second nature.
Besides, these kinds of outfits are simply comfy. I wish I had started wearing them earlier instead of trying to achieve maximum passing potential before I dared.
I'm not always around so write this down: incelnona[at]proton.me
It may take weeks for me to respond or sometimes mere hours. But I will gladly respond. Especially since there is no character limit.

>>44250854
>the brain really is plastic as hell
It absolutely is. Neuroplasticity is something widely denied but I lived to see it work. It has a lot of limits, but the limits are way wider than most dare to think. You can't neuroplasticity yourself away from severe mental disorders like BPD or schizophrenia. But you can absolutely change your brain enough to want to be the opposite gender or to want and even enjoy opposite or radically different behaviors than the ones you got accustomed to. This works not just with tranny stuff but also to remove and replace behaviors and thought patterns.
I purposefully changed a lot of my behaviors - from how much time I spend online (now down to 2hrs/day, the aim is to get under 10hrs/week) to how I masturbate or how I walk.
>a former incel like yourself just talks exactly like a woman including similar points and way of expression
While I appreciate the compliment, do keep in mind that I had over 8 years to practice.
90% of "soulpassing" is effort and discipline. The rest is luck and cultural context. But if you do the 90% work, the rest eventually follows. A lot more quirkiness is tolerated by default in women anyway.
It helps a lot if one learns to enjoy it. Once it no longer feels like a constant larp, it gets way easier. Though in time I slowly forget how to codeswitch. I certainly write more 'male' here tho.
>maybe gender really is meaningless for faketranny trutranny shit
Gender is not meaningless. If it were, I wouldn't have trooned. But 'fake' and 'tru' tranny is meaningless lowkey.
Whether you're dysphoric or transitioning for social benefits or for a fetish, nearly all of the work and effort is basically the same.

Hi

>>44253176
i dont disagree but i dont think its entirely arbitrary. like you wouldnt have a good time changing behaviors or building new habits that arent aligned with your preference and sometimes - probly often these new habits and discovering or expressions of something. not necessarily innate, but learned, but just as real once developed

bumpo

>>44254798
hiiiiiii

>>44242898
dysphoric trannies are mentally ill as fuck, they don't see reality for what it is, and they are literally delusional. incel trannymaxxers know exactly what world they live in.

>>44254811
>like you wouldnt have a good time changing behaviors or building new habits that arent aligned with your preference
I know, anon. I had to change a lot of things and no, not all of them were aligned with my preferences.
For instance, I liked (and still do) the changes I had to make on my language to sound softer/more feminine. But I did hate (and still do) that I had to also learn to lean into softness even though I knew I was right. Yes, doing so has done me a lot of social good and helped me a lot at work, but I still hate it. In the meantime I found out most cis women hate it too, but they still do it. Yay, welcome to femininity, incel.
>and sometimes - probly often these new habits and discovering or expressions of something. not necessarily innate, but learned, but just as real once developed
In a way, yes.
I don't even think for a split second before putting on a dress to go out and run an errand. Even though I was never agp and thought dresses look weird on me in 2017 and was ashamed of wearing one (now, looking back, i was an idiot, i should've worn them from early on). It just is the new reality.
Or when people (not just men) keep the doors open for me. The first few times that happened was a shock and I was really weird about it. Now I don't even have to think before "thank you" and a polite smile comes out of my mouth.
Same with some (most?) sexual behaviors, although I like all of those and have had a good time changing them.
So yeah, things once learned and practiced for a long enough period of time eventually become second nature and slowly first or default nature.

>>44255033
would you have trannymaxx sooner if you were made aware of it earlier?

>>44243089
This so much

>>44243291
I have woken up remembering something that made me backslide into a dysphoric mess ;;

>>44243241
Which mannerisms and demeanor?

>>44255962
No.
I was in fact made aware of the theoretical possibility at like age 17. But when I inquired "what if I want it even though I dont fit the criteria?" every trusted authority explained that it's not doable. And forgot about it.
Made a list of things to try to improve at age 21 and trannymaxxing was almost at the bottom of it mostly as a joke. Tried everything above that on the list by age 23 and... well... that's when I started really taking the whole idea very seriously.
In the winter 2016-2017 I started looking into how exactly transition functions and whether anyone had thought about doing it just as an experiment. I was fully aware that transpeople existed and knew the mainstream knowledge about dysphoria and also knew that basically none of it applied to me. However, since I was athletic and knew how to be disciplined with my body, I literally just thought: “What if this can be done as a body modding project? What’s the worst that can happen?”

So I looked into it, seriously read the endocrinology behind it and familiarized myself with the process. In the meantime, I went to the psychiatrist where I was told I do not have GD and was also assessed for autism and ADHD and came out clean on those as well. So it’s not just my opinion. Sure, I could’ve lied in the surveys, but decided not to because the bureaucratic process was already too long so even if I had successfully lied, it would’ve still taken forever to be put on HRT and the dosage would’ve been crap anyway.
By the summer of 2017 I was mostly convinced that I would do this as a project. I was already prepared to fail and end up either coping as some form of estrogenized twink or just simply a flaming gay man. By my calculation at the time, I really didn’t have much to lose aside from the “risk” of gyno.
I told my 4 close IRL friends (also incels) what I wanted to do. They all shunned me and told me I’m crazy.

>>44256114
>17
funnily enough, i originally tried this at 17, i even actually ordered and got some hrt and it lasted me a few months before circumstances happened and i had to wait until i can try again, now at 20
maybe those 3 years would have sped up this unincelisation, but i cant go back in time really
i always saw how short and lonely i was, and ive been blackpilled for years even by that point few years ago especially by today, one specific catalyst for this decision of mine besides just being undesirable was how my classmates would actually specifically go up to me and boast about the sex they had every day, someone would even shove their phone in my face with recording of them having sex with women or partying or etc, meanwhile i had nothing of the sorts and was clearly made fun of with those actions and now in uni im still a little socialless but >>44252163 this is my latest happening
>>44252882
yeah i have to say the clothes are actually really comfortable i enjoy them
i dont have protonmail so i will have to make one

>>44256324
>how my classmates would actually specifically go up to me and boast about the sex they had every day, someone would even shove their phone in my face with recording of them having sex with women or partying or etc

Is this what young people actually do?

>>44256324
>i dont have protonmail so i will have to make one
NTA but you don't actually need one. You can just send an e-mail.
Though lowkey a proton account is pretty neat for privacy purposes.

>>44256626
>Is this what young people actually do?
NTA but this is something young people did 20 years ago as well.
I'm 36. Okay, outright videos weren't common. But pics and bragging? Oh yeah!

>>44256800
Wild. I dont remember this. Were humans always this shit...

You put in effort if you have seen good results from that in the past. You don't put in effort if you have not seen good results from that in the past. Telling hons to try harder is putting the cart before the horse.

>>44257551
that is an...extremely unhealthy mindset for success in life. Have you ever tried couch to 5k?

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>>44257569
...what you got out my observation is that I, for some reason, must not put in effort or something?

What are you smoking?

I just rolled needles across my entire face

>>44256626
>Is this what young people actually do?
Well clearly, since it happened to me

>>44257604
frogposter, you said that as soon as results stall you stop putting effort in. Don't gaslight me.

>>44256114
>trusted authorities
this right here is why I don't respect the people in charge, they're full of shit

>>44260013
nta but this is still the official policy to this day everywhere.
and on this board you get piled on for admitting to being a trannymaxxer or any kind of tranny that does not fit the outdated bl*nchard typology.

hi