>>44270545
Not fetishists, but it is the result of woke 1.0 claiming being trans doesn't require effort and that you're a bigot if you dare to disagree.

the left is equally as nefarious as the right on trans issues.
the right wants to ban trans healthcare
the left wants to demedicalize it (meaning insurance will not cover it, aka a soft ban)

>>44270552
This

>>44270552
that too for sure. If you don't pass as a woman then you aren't a woman, if you don't pass as a man then you aren't a man and I won't refer to you as one.
Isn't this the entire point? if you're a trans woman and can't live your life presenting male then you change the way you present to match that of a biological female. You still aren't going to be female anyway, but you'll look like one. Hence you can be called a "woman" as long as we don't know what's between your legs and/or we're using the word woman to refer to more than just a biological female.
These retards will claim that gender is a "social construct" then directly contradict themselves. It is a social construct where your perceived roles and the way you're interacted with is based on how you look you dumbfuck

>>44270545
>they're fetishists
So what? Like, seriously, so fucking what?
I'm a fetishist too (MEF). I'm not less of a fetishist because I'm a straight tranny lol.
>>44270588
Both the left and the right are in the business of repression through demoralization.
You're a transbian? You want to harm women. And you're just a straight white man, eeeew!
You're a straight tranny? You're actually a faggot. You don't need hormones to have sex with other men. We totally accept gay men, fr. Except gay men who disagree with us, ofc.
You transitioned for the "wrong" reasons? You're a fetishist. But we're totally the sex positive side, unlike the conservatives, yk?

>>44270634
> I'm a fetishist too (MEF). I'm not less of a fetishist because I'm a straight tranny lol.

I don't know how this disproves the claim that "most transbians and gaydens are fetishists". Like yeah fucktard, you're a fetishist too, your scenario is just different and it isn't what I'm addressing.

A real transsexual would have actual bottom dysphoria. Why would you as a woman want to stick your dick up a female's vagina? And why would you as a man want to be bred by a male? This shit is beyond me.

>>44270697
>Why would you as a woman want to stick your dick up a female's vagina?
Correct. That's why I had SRS.
You still haven't explained why being a "fetishist" is somehow wrong. You do realize most people have a few fetishes, right?

>>44270545
>transbians and gaydens
>examples are just a bunch of white ppl
....?

>>44270735
>examples are just a bunch of white ppl
more like... white gigahon transbians ??
The fuck does white gotta do with anything anyways. Just address what I'm claiming, the picture doesn't have to be related.

>>44270726
did the SRS affect your braincells or something? All I'm claiming is that most of them aren't actual transsexuals, not anywhere did I say or imply that it was "wrong".
Right and wrong is a moral discussion I'm not interested in, and no I don't think it's "wrong" anyways.

But I still find it disheartening that these larping losers are the majority that makes the rest of us look weird and fugly.

>>44270743
Because white people are dedicated to making trans people look bad, you don't have to put that on transbians and gaydens....
Not to mention ugly nonpassers =\= gay trans person, but that's obvious.

>>44270763
okay fuck white ugly trannies. My point still stands, why the fuck are you fixated on the picture I attached? Forget about it moving on. It is not the discussion I'm trying to have.

>>44270545
Why would I fight a retard?

>>44270784
>My point still stands
I mean... What's the point? That you can't be gay or lez and trans? Or you can't be trans and mid?

>>44270752
>All I'm claiming is that most of them aren't actual transsexuals
Err... when I started there was still the distinction between transsexual (anyone who transitioned medically for any reason) and trasngender (anyone who feels like or wants to be the opposite danger but not always do a full binary medical transition).
I liked that distinction a lot. It made things very clear for everyone. But then "inclusivity" hit so now all the waters are muddied.
By the old definition I am an actual transsexual, but by the new definitions (which now call "transmedicalism" as part of the wider trans umbrella) I am not because I didnt "feel" like a girl when young. Hence my point about "wrong".
>But I still find it disheartening that these larping losers are the majority that makes the rest of us look weird and fugly
They were always the majority. But the old distinction kept things clear. "Inclusivity" has made things worse for everyone but there's not much you can do other than separate yourself from the crowd.
I'd never show up on a Pride event or in any "queer" space.
It's a trade-off. The "inclusivity" has made it easier for some to start transition but made it harder for a lot more to finish the process.
>did the SRS affect your braincells or something?
I can't honestly say "no". Maybe it did, heh.

the point is: women aren't comfortable seeing your boner. they don't care if you're a fetishist if you get srs because the boner is removed from the equation.

>>44270545
They are castrated homophobic straight men and castrated homophobic straight woman respectively. Trans ideology has destroyed the normalcy of society. TTD.

>>44270818
If I'm a gayden and gaydens are technically fetishists, and I want to see her boner... Does that mean women want to see her boner?

>>44270843
Women are primarily heterosexual. This is known. The cause of homophobia.

>>44270843
that's why you keep trying to sneak into the men's room. you're trying to creep on their dicks. people don't like feeling preyed upon.

>>44270818
>they don't care if you're a fetishist if you get srs
This is true. But modern "inclusivity" has made this reality somehow taboo.
In the very rare moments I'm clocked (last time 3 years ago) that's usually the first question: "have you had the surgery" and when I say "yes" the tone immediately changes to relaxed and friendly.

>>44270627
>If you don't pass as a woman then you aren't a woman, if you don't pass as a man then you aren't a man and I won't refer to you as one

What if I'm stuck permanently in-between and people don't know what to call me day to day

>trans is only when gays pretend to be straight and castrate themselves cuz that's the outcome I want

>>44270946
Trans is when the gays are castrated. It is when straights pretend to be gays for queer points. Well, I am closing down the queer point shop. No more queer points ever. No more neopronouns ever. No more transbian gaydens. Total Cis Victory

>>44271016
seems like its more about straights pretending to be gays to disregard sexual boundaries
i.e. bro you can totally be gay and stick your dick in my male vagina, don't worry about it, i'm a gay guy too

>>44270545
>8km
RUN!

>>44270545
Fetish is when ugly

>>44270627
It is a social construct though. At the base is some biological truth of course but it gets stretched past the breaking point to impose a narrow worldview on everyone else.
See also: the existence of cishons. Cis women—even ugly cis women—are the literal reference implementations for female. But on the Internet they can somehow fail to pass as women.

>>44270726
Nothing is wrong with having a fetish buuuuuuuut which is the more sympathetic argument?

1. I have a mental condition that compels me to transform my body into that of a woman and to live out the rest of my days as if I were female. I'm not here to disturb you please let me live my life.
2. My pee pee gets hard when you call me ma'am and that's why I need to use women's locker rooms and date lesbians.

>>44270763
Isn't it a core tenet of Blanchardism though that the ugly nonpassing hons are disproportionately gynephilic?

>>44270901
My experience is it's lookism all the way down. If you look like a woman and you sound like a woman it's easy to accept you as a woman, and actively harder to force their mental model to include you in the male category.

>>44271387
>which is the more sympathetic argument?
Sure, but that's also not as easy to clock. And it also creates this weird "trutrans" narrative that in the end does a lot more harm than good. To both trannies and cis people.
I mean cis women have been attacked on suspicion of being trannies for fuck's sake.
>pee pee gets hard when you call me ma'am and that's why I need to use women's locker rooms
That wasn't me. My pee pee was getting hard when being submissive for men and called a male failure. And the more I feminized myself, the more I wanted.
I only started using women's bathrooms when I got regularly kicked out (politely so) from men's.
>and date lesbians
Eeeeew!
>it's lookism all the way down
To a large extent, yes. With the caveat that how you sound and move/behave matters quite a bit more than baby trannies think.
If you read "autistic male" you can be the finest passoid doll and you're still going to be gendered male.

>>44270850
If women are primarily heterosexual and if transbian were are fetishistic men, wouldn't that mean cis women love transbians?
>>44270857
Idk cis people love molesting each other... I can't join?

>>44271704
They do. That's why they marry gigahons/JohnXs. They can smell the troon and it gives them great arousal. Stay away from gay men and our penises. We are protective of our property and will punish you for being near the penis

>>44271387
the social construct is the sexual segregation of society not the biological dichotomy of sexually dimorphic physical characteristics.

to say gender us a social construct is a transphobic view of gender incongruence. it denies biological reality and undermines the validity of their sex change.

so here's the thing.
the right will openly hate trannies
the left does it behind closed doors or with a smile

>>44271387
it's not a mental illness. it's a condition if sexual health. learn the difference retard.
they might seem crazy, but that's often times because they've endured years of abuse fir thrir deformity as people are allowed to openly express thrur bigotry.

>>44271387
Hon talking up hons. Fetish all the way down. Homophobic gay male. Sheep led by wolves. Sheeps get eaten. Follow Jesus, the shepherd. I am a sheep. Baaa. Wool. Gay sex. Foldered.

>>44271528
Yeah that's why it goes back to looksism. You can't look at someone and tell they're a fetishist but if you read male they're more likely to make that assumption. Basically people *think* fetishists look a certain way.
If you pass well enough you can dress like a 5 year old in public and people will just think you're weird.

>>44271767
Humans are not strongly dimorphic creatures. Trannies on this board in particular exaggerate sex differences, which is why it's possible for a cis woman to fail to "pass" as female.
Sex, too, is a social construct. It has strong biological underpinnings of course but here we see it stretched past the breaking point.
Just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it can't ruin your life. We do live in a society.
This is also why the TERF definitions will never work in practice. Radical conservative gender ideology is just as deranged.

>>44271787
Yeah it was moved to a section on sexual health because people kept whining about it being considered a mental illness. This is a stupid semantic argument not worth engaging in.

>>44271817
Oh hey CGAntiFoidNuke. Folder me schizo baby!

>>44271929
>We do live in a society.
A society where men=men and women=women. No change whatsoever
>Sex, too, is a social construct.
Muh time is a social construct ass argument. It is agreed upon you are a biological male and will never be a woman
>Radical conservative gender ideology
You mean normal conceptions of sex
>Yeah it was moved to a section on sexual health because people kept whining about it being considered a mental illness
It is and always has been a mental illness. You need a psychiatrist hospital stay.
>CGAntiFoidNuke
Who tf is that?
>Folder me
I did and you are foldered.

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what is socially constructed about penises and vaginas?
do they look the same? that isn't to say we can't make one into the other. it's to say what the dichotomy is.

in tbe absence of a blood test to karyotype an individual, how do we determine sex? observance. with our eyes. does a penis ever look like a vagina? post srs. that's it. if you have a penis you look male. if you have a vagina you look female. the rest is the genetic variation in line with evolutionary science. are big tits better than small tits? meh. we'd have to analyze reproductive rates to make that determination. are today's men lower test than men in the 1950's? ya. 100%. that indicates humans are continuing to evolve. many of you just don't like the path evolution is taking us down. they're afraid of artificial reproduction and human cloning as it undermines their belief in god or a soul. a godless world might appear something more like scorn.

>>44270545
HSTS are gay transmaxxers lol

>>44271991
>normal conceptions of sex
Not really. Humans use duck typing, not karyotyping. But thanks for playing.

>>44272017
>in tbe absence of a blood test to karyotype an individual, how do we determine sex?
There is no absence, just like time was objective even before it was definitively defined. 1 second= 1 second regardless of whether it is defined based on rotation of Earth, or speed of light, or caesium-133 atom oscillation
>>44272093
I looked up who that guy was and he is now foldered. I am not a chud chaser. You don't know who I am. You will always be a man.

>>44271929
Boo, I'm him now. Its very easy to change trip name.

>>44270545
What if you know you belong with men but you're not gay so you transition because you want to be the closest thing to being gay?

>>44272394
Well, then you are a homophobic gay male. Nothing wrong with taking estrogen, but just be honest to yourself and your partner. You are both gay males, hopefully intact and unfortunately one of you needs to be on estrogen to overcome their homophobia.

>>44272017
Look up the Prader scale and tell me which ones are penises and scrotums and which ones are vulvas.
>>44272120
That's not true though. My second and your second may be different, and even differ second to second, as long as we rely on imperfect timepieces.
Which as a matter of practical reality we do, accepting that doing so gets us close enough.
>>44272240
You were always him.

>>44272434
Sure whatever. This trip doesn't even have special characters in the name, unlike my trip (GSS). Very easy to fake. I could also be the real one, but that's unlikely. Trans Ideology=castration of gay men. The antichrist has come. The Jews were right. Jesus was the antichrist. No one can save us now.

>>44272573
Ah I get it two completely independent humans with the same beliefs who also don't know the difference between a namefag and a tripfag.
Don't you have state sponsored SRS to go get or something?

transbians are raping me

>>44272607
Might be Schizo. Have you heard of gincel? I am trying to emulate him. I am his number one fan and follower. I get mistaken for him 80% of the time when I am not using a trip.

>>44272648
HOW TALL ARE YOU?

>>44272660
177cm
>>44272621
Me too, but I've learned to just accept it. Spread my hole and give up. They won this battle, but they will lose the war.

This is my only other trip or name or whatever. I don't use anything else. Not "CGAntiFoidNuke" or whatever. I am glad he made you Schizo. Only thing that worthless tranny has accomplished in his life.

>>44271757
>Stay away from gay men and our penises
I'm not attracted to gay cis men... That's like the least masculine demographic of men. Even ftm rank higher.

>>44272648
>>44272679
>>44272806
>Might be Schizo
Clearly you are schizo. Glad you're at least sort of self aware at least.

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>>44272900
I am a thousand times more masculine than the average "ftm". I am a real man with real manly proportions and build.
>>44272958
Is this who you think I am (picrel)? He is foldered in case he comes back. The folder is open on you too.

>>44270545
If they had SRS they're by definition transsexual.

>>44273042
>I am a thousand times more masculine than the average "ftm". I am a real man with real manly proportions and build.
Keep telling yourself that.
>The folder is open on you
Neat I'm building LORE!
Maybe one day I'll show you my genitals
My genitals
Show you my genitals
Genitalia!
>foldering yourself on a tranny board
You do you boo

>>44273085
No. Plenty of Iranian gays are force castrated. I am soon to be force castrated.
>>44273208
>foldering yourself on a tranny board
That Gincel clone isn't me. He never was me. Gloat about your gay male castration state ideology. You won the battle, you will lose the war.
>The folder is open on you
You are getting a separate subfolder. That is how foldered you are.

>>44273042
>I am a thousand times more masculine than the average "ftm"
Masculine guys don't need to say this...

>>44270552
Which version of woke do we have installed rn?

>>44274617
>I am soon to be force castrated.
If by "forced" you mean "voluntarily, to 'own' the troons" then I guess so >>44263644
>subfolder
Damn and I haven't even given you anything to spank it to. Thanks for making me feel special <3
>>44274630
It's probably from having something to prove after all the bathtub estrogen, progesterone, and pioglitazone >>44262602

>>44274630
I don't need to.
>>44274637
Woke 3 maybe Woke 4
>>44274736
Not me. Different guy. He doesn't have a trip unlike me. Being a chaser is a big part of the gincel bit.

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>>44270545
>Another thread where an individual belonging to a persecuted minority attempts to elevate themselves by pushing division in their community.

Why do so many young trannies have noggins filled with pigshit? Jesus Christ.

>>44274904
Trans rights= castration

>>44274904
In modern society being discriminated against gains you social credit with anyone vaguely leftist dipfuck.

>>44276220
>>44276279
Nah, you kids have no understanding of material reality.

>>44274848
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkLogxe71mY
>>44274904
No no you don't understand *I* am not like the other girls my ugly honiness is forgivable because I'm androphilic
>>44276220
I mean yes I fully believe every competent adult should be free to choose castration for themselves. Or not. It's your balls not mine.