>>44271359
Why do we give so much attention to what fat nerdy incels with a fetish for imitating women?

>>44271375
you all believe the same thing he does
that taking dick up your butt and being a sub = being a woman

taking dick = female

>>44271389
It is often repeated here.
Not that the millions of homosexual/bisexual bottoms out there are thinking, "omg, I'm sooooo woman when my male prostate gets squeezed!!"

They'd consider it a philosophical abomination and often themselves dislike or avoid women

>>44271359
All sex=woman totally not heteronormative ways of thinking. Yay "TQ+". You ruined things for us. Total Homophobic gay man
>>44271375
Homophobic gay male. Foldered

>>44271610
women deserve to be disliked

>>44271359
it's fundamentally perverse, but it is the basis of female sexuality and to a lesser extent male

>>44271678
Where is the woman in my gay masc4masc relationships homophobe? Exactly, there is none. Gay Homophobe foldered

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>>44271678
>it is the basis of female sexuality

>>44271359
A lot of TERF aligned women believe literally the same thing but about their vagina. Most women won't immediately state that they think femaleness is inscribed by receptivity / vulnerability to penetration but they'll come out with stuff like this when the moment is right. Catherine Breillat made a whole film career about this notion and feminists love her.
The entire toilet debate relies on the fact that this is what people (women and men) see femaleness to be, so if you want to see someone admit this then talk about the toilet debate with them. I'd show examples but I'm on my phone rn lol.
What ALC is saying that is femaleness is about being penetrated, then anyone can access it by taking it up the ass. And this is an idea that already exists, people call it "faggotry" and it has historical ties to the idea of the hermaphrodite. i.e. a man "accessing femaleness" through being penetrated is seen as extremely wicked.
The word "bad" ultimately comes from Old English "bæddel" which means faggot/hermaphrodite. Notice how faghags tend to be closer to gay bottoms than gay tops, or how women wont date guys who have been penetrated before. Sometimes you hear stories from other mtfs that go like this: when she was a teen she came out to her parents and the dad rapes her while the mum accepts what's going on (it's insane how often I've heard this happen, it's like fathers have a prime directive built in them to rape anything "effeminate"). Both parents in this situation inherently believe the same thing about femaleness as the women I mentioned earlier but in this case it is used as a justification for incestuous SA

>>44271756
wouldn't a feminist be against women doing feminine things

>>44271686
You probably still are autoandrophilic, but masc4masc is based
>>44271720
She doesn't love you. She's still cumming to the same reflection of herself as a Disney princess she saw as a child. It's how women are socialised.

>>44272219
Not in practice, no. Actually someone professing to read a lot of 2nd wave stuff is highly likely to be implicitly "women should be feminine because it's their right through their femaleness". That last bit, in quotes, paraphrasing a TERF i talked to a while back

>>44272286
why would women be socialized in such a manner?

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>>44271359
Not a tranny, but a cis man with AGP, and it all makes sense now. Everyone just hates men and wants to be a woman.

My fucked up fetish is actually just due to that the entire world worships feminine things, especially sexually so. Those gays are just faking it. They actually just want pussy and are coping by using their asshole as pussy and becoming females. Clearly.

>>44273029
women hate men, women control everything, men are helpless
the world doesn't worship feminine men...

>>44271359
>>44271389
Could you point to where I said I believed in that? Because I don't.

>>44272680
then what does that make you

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>>44273064
>the world doesn't worship feminine men...
Depends how feminine you're talking, and in what regard.

>>44273361
Feminine gay men are forced onto estrogen, called heteronormative by masc4masc gays, and thrown to their deaths after twinkdeath. We have it worse than trannies

>>44271359
U mean transbians who trooned post 2015

>>44273396
>we
if you take hrt, you cannot we

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>>44273510
I take it to escape homophobia.
>>44273414
All MtFs and FtMs are disgusting fetishists who use gays or lesbians to validate their fetish

>>44273577
let's defeat homophobia, together

>>44273153
I observe life, I dont participate in it... it's why I try and talk to people of all beliefs. So "nothing" probably is the answer to that

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>>44273577
here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

>>44273029
what kinda retarded coddled homosexual believes those things

>>44273029
>Not a tranny

yeah sure ok. just sneed out and live your fucking life.

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>>44271359
Abysmal glowpost

>>44274393
nuh uh

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>>44273396
>Feminine gay men are forced onto estrogen, called heteronormative by masc4masc gays, and thrown to their deaths after twinkdeath. We have it worse than trannies
I mean, you can just perpetually take hrt. Nobody can stop you. But point taken. Unfeminine things are not worshipped and if not masculine and powerful either, then not respected.

>>44273723
>what kinda retarded coddled homosexual believes those things
I don't really. I was being ironic, as OP's pic is a blunt object on something that obviously has its limits because gay people exist.
>>44274330
>yeah sure ok. just sneed out and live your fucking life.
If I say I'm a straight cis man, then I'm actuaply gay. If i say I'm gay, then I'm actually agp. If I say I'm agp, then I'm actually trans. If I say I'm trans, then I'm actually a straight cis man.

So, I've changed my mind. I am all of those things at once. I'm repressing my homosexuality to appear straight while that homosexuality actually just being me repressing my AGP, which itself is just me repressing my being trans, which itself is just me repressing that I was, in fact, a straight cis guy after all to begin with and am not gay.

I have decided that I identify as recursively repressive. To say "I am X" would always be a lie, and that being a lie IS what defines me.

>>44273637
what do you eat

>>44275631
transbians

>>44271389
I do not believe this. I never did and nevee will.

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>>44271359
Homophobes the whole lot of them

>>44271359
if you haven't read her work in context you're unlikely to have any idea what she's saying, I think she's right, and you can argue with me for a bit if you want

>>44276433
andrea long chu isn't talking about women in that quote, if you read what that's from you'd know that

>>44271389
that's not even what andrea long chu believes

>>44276536
what does he believe?

>>44278695
NTA but get the book and read it??? Like you should with any writer. I'll explain why:
My dad hated Aristotle because Catholics like him. But the way he presented Aristotle to me was much more than that fact... and I had to read him myself in my school library to realise that Aristotle didn't want to kill Martin Luther and he was not personally responsible for the "idolatry in popery"... in fact Aristotle had been around before Jesus Christ and knew nothing of the Protestantism my dad said he prohibited. Now if you read ALC then whether you disagree or not, at least you're engaging with the authors words and not jumping at the shadows that other people project

Its kinda true though?

>>44281221
ayup

>>44271359
Nobody believes in that but it's based because it pisses off foids

>>44284748
trannies do whether they admit it or not

>>44284915
Based

>>44284961
The actual basis of transgender ideology is a delusional, religious belief that bottoms are women and the topping is what men do.

>>44284971
I think transgenderism exists completely independent of queer theory or whatever. The drive to live as the other sex to some degree is not ideological.

>>44285029
>live as the other sex
if only that didn't mean nothing at all!
the shape of your skeleton reflects your birth sex more than the other one, there are ZERO trannies for whom this is not the case if you see them accurately and clearly

>>44285793
Ok so? How does that make transgenderism ideological?

>>44285829
they believe they "live as women" which is basically just forcing you to call them she on the basis that they believe the lie so you must too

>>44271359
This is true though

>>44285875
gay bottoms are men even if they are castrated, shaved, crossdress full time, or some combination of the three

transgenderism is ideological + homophobic intrinsically

>>44285889
YOU are homophobic

>>44285917
I am the least homophobic person here.

>>44271375
Because that's what trannies are and this is the tranny board

>>44272286
Trannies know nothing about women

>>44271359
So on the lowk any and all sex has auto erotic elements in that a man takes on a mans role and a woman takes on a womans role, and if the two were to be inverted then it is only in reaction to that first thing still being auto erotic desu.
Its part of the nature of having an ego.

>>44285979
the womans role is to pop out babies, trannies cannot do this
trans women are MEN
male men
larping delusional male men
ywnbaw

>>44276433
Heading trannies talk about being women is honestly horrific

>>44285979
why cant we just be two people in love :(

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>>44271359
What does this even mean? Porn is when you have an object?

>>44286013
I think he means that you think you are objectifying women, but they are objectifying you by rejecting you irl and controlling your desires and time with images.

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>>44285998
>the womans role is to pop out babies, >trannies cannot do this
>trans women are MEN
>male men
>larping delusional male men
>ywnbaw

>>44286284
mmm chippies

>>44286074
Nah he's saying that pornography is a quintessential expression of femaleness, therefore being female is the experience of thinking you have an object, but in reality the object has you. So whatever deranged shit he's saying it has to be about women not men (so for instance your interpretation is backwards, if you're otherwise correct then it's the *woman's* experience to think you're objectifying *men*, but in reality they are objectifying you etc.)

>>44286074
Do men and trannies really think women are in control of men's desires wtf????

>>44285959
It's cringe to every sane person in the world though.

>>44286677
women control all of society, they are literally built for social manipulation and games
women bait men into violence then have them caged
the entire prison system is women controlling men

>>44286695
Well none of them are here don't worry

>>44286697
All trannies really are incels huh?

>>44278695
read females, it's not long, you don't have to get far into it to have a good idea what she's getting at, a lot of it is ideas conveyed through shitposting basically, she starts it by asserting everybody, every person, is female, not literally obviously, it's tongue in cheek, it's funny, but it's also deliberate to make the point she's making about gendered ideas

>>44286714
women are holes with no other value
if women contributed ANYTHING to society other than babies, nobody would care who is an "incel" or not

>>44286724
Yeah you wanna be one so bad

>>44286013
do you think gooners are using porn simply as an object? no, they're like drug addicts, the thing they're using has the hold over them, not the other way around

>>44286734
I think all women should be killed immediately, and we should maintain society by only allowing intersex men to breed.
I mean, we don't need 8 billion people. We can easily just stop breeding for 10 years and it would be fine.

>>44286737
furthermore this is similar to the way society tries to objectify and control femaleness (females here does not refer to women, see this post >>44286719) the first order observation is that the dominant has control over the female realm, but actually the dominant is shaped and altered by its attempt to do so

>>44286714
>talking to one person
>this is evidence that you're all the same huh????
you're stupid

>>44284748
everybody believes it if you know what she's actually saying
nobody believes the out of context version
female here doesn't mean sex, it's a sardonic usage that means something different

>>44285998
are all people that can't give birth men?

>>44286776
There's no "in context" meaning it's a disconnected series of absurd statements.

>>44286826
you're being deliberately thick, this is just intellectualism, there is an in context meaning, if you can't parse the really obvious message that's on you
terf is an idiot who knew shock horror

>>44286843
There is no meaning. all reviewers agree it's incomprehensible garbage or they pretend they understand some secret meaning they can't explain themselves like you do.

>>44286865
Have you read it?

>it's not just me!!!! everybody agrees with me that they're too stupid to get it!!!
>...or they pretend to but can't explain it to me because I'm too stupid

>>44286783
some xys can make babies, I suppose I would allow chimeras to live, but ONLY if they are on best behavior

The thesis of this little book is that femaleness is a universal sex
defined by self-negation, against which all politics, even feminist
politics, rebels. Put more simply: Everyone is female, and everyone
hates it.
Some explanations are in order. For our purposes here, I’ll define
as female any psychic operation in which the self is sacrificed to
make room for the desires of another. These desires may be real or
imagined, concentrated or diffuse—a boyfriend’s sexual needs, a set
of cultural expectations, a literal pregnancy—but in all cases, the self
is hollowed out, made into an incubator for an alien force. To be
female is to let someone else do your desiring for you, at your own
expense. This means that femaleness, while it hurts only sometimes,
is always bad for you. Its ultimate toll, at least in every case
heretofore recorded, is death.
Clearly, this is a wildly tendentious definition. It’s even more farfetched
if you, like me, are applying it to everyone—literally
everyone, every single human being in the history of the planet. So
it’s true: When I talk about females, I am not referring to biological
sex, though I’m not referring to gender, either. I’m referring instead
to something that might as well be sex, the way that reactionaries
describe it (permanent, unchanging, etc.), but whose nature is
ontological, not biological. Femaleness is not an anatomical or
genetic characteristic of an organism, but rather a universal
existential condition, the one and only structure of human
consciousness. To be is to be female: the two are identical.

It follows, then, that while all women are females, not all females
are women. In fact, the empirical existence, past and present, of
genders other than man and woman means that the majority of
females are not women. This is ironic, but not a contradiction.
Everyone is female, but how one copes with being female—the
specific defense mechanisms that one consciously or unconsciously
develops as a reaction formation against one’s femaleness, within
the terms of what is historically and socioculturally available—this is
what we ordinarily call gender. Men and women must therefore be
understood not as irreconcilable opposites, or even as two poles of a
spectrum, but more simply as the two most common phyla of the
kingdom Females. It might be asked: if men, women, and everyone
else all share this condition, why continue to refer to it with an
obviously gendered term like females? The answer is: because
everyone already does. Women hate being female as much as
anybody else; but unlike everybody else, we find ourselves its select
delegates.
This brings me to the second part of my thesis: Everyone is
female—and everyone hates it. By the second claim, I mean
something like what Valerie meant: that human civilization
represents a diverse array of attempts to suppress and mitigate
femaleness, that this is in fact the implicit purpose of all human
activity, and, most of all, that activity we call politics. The political is
the sworn enemy of the female; politics begins, in every case, from
the optimistic belief that another sex is possible. This is the root of
all political consciousness: the dawning realization that one’s desires
are not one’s own, that one has become a vehicle for someone else’s
ego; in short, that one is female, but wishes it were not so. Politics
is, in its essence, anti-female.

>>44286890
I listened to 2 minutes of the audiobook as well as read some nonsense excepts posted here.

This claim extends to the variety of women’s movements in the
twentieth and twenty-first century that may be collected under the
name of feminist politics; in fact, the conscious discovery that being
female is bad for you might be described as quintessentially feminist.
Perhaps the oldest right-wing accusation brought by men and other
women against feminists, whether they demanded civic equality or
anti-male revolution, was that feminists were really asking, quite
simply, not to be women anymore. There was a kernel of truth here:
Feminists didn’t want to be women anymore, at least under the
existing terms of society; or to put it more precisely, feminists didn’t
want to be female anymore, either advocating for the abolition of
gender altogether or proposing new categories of womanhood
unencumbered by femaleness. To be for women, imagined as full
human beings, is always to be against females. In this sense,
feminism opposes misogyny precisely inasmuch as it also expresses
it.

>>44286927
then you've done nothing to understand it, you're not interested

I didn't understand the whole work from the first two minutes is the most arrogant and stupid take I've seen in a while

When I say that everyone is female, I am simply restating something
psychoanalytically uncontroversial—namely, that castration happens
on both sides. Men as well as women, for Freud, represented partial,
imperfect solutions to the universal threat of castration. The
presence or absence of a literal penis is, it turns out, only incidental
to castration anxiety; what matters is the idea of one. For Freud, this
phenomenon could in many cases be traced back, empirically, to the
sexual theories of young children. “We are justified in speaking of a
castration complex in women as well,” he clarified in a 1920 footnote
to the Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality. “Both male and
female children form a theory that women no less than men
originally had a penis, but that they have lost it by castration.”

In the years that followed, Freud would make the castration
complex the cornerstone of his theory of sexual difference. Initially,
both sexes enjoy a phallic stage: the boy with his penis and the girl
with her clitoris, each blissfully unaware of the other. Indeed, for all
intents and purposes, there is only one sex: male. “We are now
obliged to recognize that the little girl is a little man,” Freud wrote in
a 1932 lecture on femininity. With the onset of the castration
complex, however, the sexes start to diverge. For the little boy, the
sight of his sister’s genitalia gives rise first to denial, then to
unwilling acceptance, then to crushing anxiety that, for any of
several sexual crimes (chief among them, his Oedipal desire for his
mother), his father will deprive him of that cherished member. For
the little girl, by contrast, the discovery of the penis provokes, after
a similar period of denial, a profound experience of envy that
persists in the unconscious long after she has resigned herself
consciously to her lack of one. In normal cases, penis envy leads the
little girl to divert her original desire for her mother to her father,
who might replace her missing penis with his own, and then to her
husband, who will give her a baby as a penis-substitute; if left
unchecked, however, it will result in neurosis, frigidity, and, in
extreme cases, lesbianism.

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>>44286908
>>44286921
>>44286939
>>44286970

Pretty much since its introduction, the concept of penis envy has
been decried as singularly misogynistic. Even Freud seems to have
known this. (“You may take it as an instance of male injustice if I
assert that envy and jealousy play an even greater part in the
mental life of women than of men,” he wrote.) Those feminists of
the sixties and seventies who weren’t content to write Freud off as a
patriarchal quack sometimes proposed reading him as an unwitting
theorist of male power. Shulamith Firestone, in her 1970 book The
Dialectic of Sex, wrote that it was wiser to take penis envy “as a
metaphor” for the little girl’s nascent consciousness of gender
hierarchy: “The girl can’t really understand how it is that when she
does exactly the same thing as her brother, his behavior is approved
and hers isn’t.”
In a short 1922 paper, Freud famously interprets the head of
Medusa, the snake-haired Gorgon of Greek myth whose horrifying
face, when looked upon, was said to turn men to stone. For Freud,
the myth is a simple expression of castration anxiety, the Gorgon’s
gaping mouth standing in for the vaginal opening. Freud then reads
the Medusa’s petrifying gaze as a symbol for the boy’s erection,
offered as a stiff reminder that he “is still in possession of a penis.”
There’s a much more obvious interpretation, of course: that the
little boy, forced by the abyssal glimpse of female genitalia to
consider the possibility that his own penis will be removed, secretly
finds the idea arousing. “Women … don’t have penis envy,” Valerie
fumes in SCUM. “Men have pussy envy.” As usual, she was right.
Indeed, the castration complex is easily mistaken for the fear that
one will be castrated; in fact, it is the fear that one, having been
castrated, will like it.

last sentence goes hard

Everyone is female, and everyone hates it. If this is true, then
gender is very simply the form this self-loathing takes in any given
case. All gender is internalized misogyny. A female is one who has
eaten the loathing of another, like an amoeba that got its nucleus by
swallowing its neighbor. Or, to put a finer point on it: Gender is not
just the misogynistic expectations a female internalizes but also the
process of internalizing itself, the self’s gentle suicide in the name of
someone else’s desires, someone else’s narcissism.
The claim that gender is socially constructed has rung hollow for
decades not because it isn’t true, but because it’s wildly incomplete.
Indeed, it is trivially true that a great number of things are socially
constructed, from money to laws to genres of literature. What makes
gender gender—the substance of gender, as it were—is the fact that
it expresses, in every case, the desires of another. Gender has
therefore a complementary relation to sexual orientation: If sexual
orientation is basically the social expression of one’s own sexuality,
then gender is basically a social expression of someone else’s
sexuality. In the former case, one takes an object; in the latter case,
one is an object. From the perspective of gender, then, we are all
dumb blondes.
>>44287003
thank you for pre-conceding

>>44286939
>then you've done nothing to understand it, you're not interested
No I have invested the minimum to determine whether it is worth examining in detail and it is not. It is obvious pseudointellectual nonsense. Since you can't formulate any meaning to be gleaned from it yourself but only provide blockquotes you prove me right.

women are baby machines

>>44287019
>haven't read it
>it's obviously nonsense
you're no here in good faith, you don't want to actually talk about it

>can't formulate any meaning
it's in the block quotes, I gave you the passages that state explicitly what she's saying
>The thesis of this little book is
>This brings me to the second part of my thesis
>When I say that everyone is female, I am simply restating something
psychoanalytically uncontroversial
>Everyone is female, and everyone hates it.

you're like a child that wont eat their greens then complains you didn't offer any despite holding it up to your face

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>>44287013
>thank you for pre-conceding

>>44287063
>you're no here in good faith, you don't want to actually talk about it
Babe if you want people to read your 700 page tome you have to prove it worth it in the first 10 pages.

>>44287104
LMAO 700 PAGE TOME
you are actually a moron it's like 60 pages in large font, your brain is broken
the audiobook is only two hours

they're not sending their best

>>44287134
if you cannot summarize your argument in three sentences, it's because you have none

>>44287137
nta but this is the reason why zoomers are retarded.
I actually think the book is insane and its author a supreme cretin. But your take is even worse than that.
Some things cannot be summarized in 3 sentences. That doesn't mean the other doesn't have an argument. It means you're an ADHD subhuman.

>>44287174
>Some things cannot be summarized in 3 sentences
I think this dude's AGP hot take most certainly can

>>44287137
anti-intellectualism
>if you can't reduce blah blah blah blah I need everything in slop form
it's already there for you, you don't need to put it in a blender, this is like asking for a one minute video to be reduced to ten seconds
>but I demand I demand
it's a pamphlet, it's already so short

Females is a sardonic and provocative hyperbolic work, it essentially jokes that everybody is female to talk about a universal psychic condition where we negate ourselves for the desires of others and what the repercussions are and why it's not so straightforward.
She picks the word femaleness deliberately to draw a parallel between phenomenon and how society views women and females, pushing beyond just regular social construction theory but to say something more interesting about genders in contexts of others and desire. Ultimately there's something almost paradoxical about the desire to be desired, and how that exists alongside shame and power, see that one bit about castration.

There you go a quick summary, tell me how it's now not enough.

>>44287184
her agp can't be summarised in three sentences either you're stupid

>>44287174
what do you think is insane about it

>>44286719
>she
nigga bls

>>44287203
or: you are arguing in bad faith and thus want to always be on the offensive so you force us to read his bullshit and say "well I think he's saying x" so you can have the easier job of offense

taking a firm position exposes you to scrutiny - and you want to avoid that

you make it sounds as if there is a clear simple meaning to his words, but resolutely refuse to suggest exactly what that might be

>>44287244
>bad faith
you just copied me saying that to you
I've been giving you the passages that outright state what she's saying
I've pointed to the parts of those passages where she outright states she's outright stating what she's saying
I've given you a summary in three sentences like you asked
and now "waaaahhhhhhh bad faith"
I chewed your food for you

>you force us to read his bullshit and say "well I think he's saying x" so you can have the easier job of offense
this is nonsense, why would post the text if I wanted to control the interpretation, you are nutty

>you make it sounds as if there is a clear simple meaning to his words
it's right there, she says it, she says what her thesis is in plain text

>but resolutely refuse to suggest exactly what that might be
done it numerous times and you keep pretending I haven't, there's something genuinely wrong with you

read this post
>>44286908
>The thesis of this little book is
read that, read from there, very easy to do, her own words, no evil interpretation by me required, it's right there

>EXPLAIN IT TO ME RIGHT NOW

>here look a summary and also the passages where she says what she's doing

>EXPLAIN IT TO ME RIGHT NOW

terf brain

>>44287290
>its right there but i won't state it in my own words
literally ur a troll

>>44287302
I already did, I already did that, I did it here >>44287203

are you ok? do you need me to call somebody?

>umm it's not good enough to post what the author said about what she's doing
>umm it's not good enough that you summarised it for me
>umm I need a three sentence explanation of the entire book and for you to do it in your own words unless you actually do it like you did in which case that's BAD now

>>44271359
>sissy
anyone who uses this term should be shot in the back of the head with .50 BMG

>>44287344
that's the point of her using it, she talks about why it's a horrifying concept in the book

>>44287353
i am not reading some hon's book

>>44287369
didn't ask you to, just saying that's the point, if she has to be shot then so do you because you used the word in similar contexts

>>44287315
so he's saying the exact opposite of what's true
MEN have to repress their sexual desires
women can do whatever they want
just typical men simping for women trash

>>44287353
its horrifying cuz his white dad bred with a gook monkey so he looks like a freak and the rest downstream is just cope

>>44287372
so he isn't saying that everyone is a sissy deep down?

>>44287383
its the same as every single tranny book - its defending women and shitting on men
imagine nerdy autistic boys who take feminine literally and whose brains have never processed a critical thought about a woman because that's not allowed and they want to fit in badly

>>44287375
she doesn't say men don't have to repress their sexual desires, the castration bit implies heavily the opposite, part of the fear of becoming a eunuch or a sissy or a bottom is that you'd like it, and you must repress that
she doesn't say women repress their desires either idk where you get this from

>>44287383
not really no, just that we all have the capacity to be shaped by other people's desires, and explores the way we fight or embrace this and how that's linked to shame or desire itself

>>44287397
it's not shitting on men at all and it is critical of a lot of women's theory on gender actually

>>44287426
>she doesn't say men don't have to repress their sexual desires
when he makes this point:
>it essentially jokes that everybody is female to talk about a universal psychic condition where we negate ourselves for the desires of others
it's just a rephrase of the standard feminist lie that women have to hide their desires and be submissive
this is not rocket science, he's not that smart, he's half gook remember

>>44287441
>it's just a rephrase of the standard feminist lie that women have to hide their desires and be submissive
no it isn't, that's not even talking about just women "universal" is right there, and it's talking about

>The thesis of this little book is that femaleness is a universal sex
>defined by self-negation, against which all politics, even feminist
>politics, rebels. Put more simply: Everyone is female, and everyone
>hates it.

women's lib and the sexual revolution are part of that rebel politics

>>44286908
what about the fact that being female is to be insatiable or something something lots of energy

>>44287455
I don't follow what do you mean here? that femaleness is to be receptive or what?

>>44273594
O please gincel kun is invested in perpetuating his own victimhood not "defeating" any problem lmao

>>44287453
self-negation is a fancy way of saying women aren't allowed to do what they want, women ARE
men are not
using big words to restate the female supremacist status quo is not novel or helpful

>>44287504
>self-negation is a fancy way of saying women aren't allowed to do what they want
no that's not accurate here, part of what's talked about is the desire to self negate, to give up power, and the shame around that, again this is talked about as a universal thing, and again the example I already brought up is about men not being allowed to do what they want because of shame
your reading isn't supported by the text

>>44287504


>Perhaps the oldest right-wing accusation brought by men and other
>women against feminists, whether they demanded civic equality or
>anti-male revolution, was that feminists were really asking, quite
>simply, not to be women anymore. There was a kernel of truth here:
>Feminists didn’t want to be women anymore, at least under the
>existing terms of society; or to put it more precisely, feminists didn’t
>want to be female anymore, either advocating for the abolition of
>gender altogether or proposing new categories of womanhood
>unencumbered by femaleness. To be for women, imagined as full
>human beings, is always to be against females. In this sense,
>feminism opposes misogyny precisely inasmuch as it also expresses
>it.


here she's criticising the idea that women aren't allowed to do what they want in terms of self negation, that women have to give up femaleness and desire in the context of other genders, and should not be female

At the heart of Gorgeous’s body of work, not to mention her
actual body, is a rigorous, compulsive submission to technique: the
stroke of a contouring brush, the precise curve of a breast. If it’s not
perfect, it must be done again. It’s not just that conventional beauty
standards require Gorgeous to use these techniques to be
recognized as a woman, though this is certainly true. It’s that the
very fact of her submission to them is female. Gender transition, no
matter the direction, is always a process of becoming a canvas for
someone else’s fantasy. You cannot be gorgeous without someone to
be gorgeous for. To achieve this, Gorgeous has sanded her
personality down to the bare essentials. She laughs at what is funny,
she cries at what is sad, and she is miraculously free of serious
opinions. She has become, in the most technical sense of this
phrase, a dumb blonde.

Everyone is female, and everyone hates it. If this is true, then
gender is very simply the form this self-loathing takes in any given
case. All gender is internalized misogyny. A female is one who has
eaten the loathing of another, like an amoeba that got its nucleus by
swallowing its neighbor. Or, to put a finer point on it: Gender is not
just the misogynistic expectations a female internalizes but also the
process of internalizing itself, the self’s gentle suicide in the name of
someone else’s desires, someone else’s narcissism.
The claim that gender is socially constructed has rung hollow for
decades not because it isn’t true, but because it’s wildly incomplete.
Indeed, it is trivially true that a great number of things are socially
constructed, from money to laws to genres of literature. What makes
gender gender—the substance of gender, as it were—is the fact that
it expresses, in every case, the desires of another. Gender has
therefore a complementary relation to sexual orientation: If sexual
orientation is basically the social expression of one’s own sexuality,
then gender is basically a social expression of someone else’s
sexuality. In the former case, one takes an object; in the latter case,
one is an object. From the perspective of gender, then, we are all
dumb blondes.

Gender transition begins, after all, from
the understanding that how you identify yourself subjectively—as
precious and important as this identification may be—is nevertheless
on its own basically worthless. If identity were all there were to
gender, transition would be as easy as thinking it—a light bulb,
suddenly switched on. Your gender identity would simply exist, in
mute abstraction, and no one, least of all yourself, would care.
On the contrary, if there is any lesson of gender transition—from
the simplest request regarding pronouns to the most invasive
surgeries—it’s that gender is something other people have to give
you. Gender exists, if it is to exist at all, only in the structural
generosity of strangers. When people today say that a given gender
identity is “valid,” this is true, but only tautologically so. At best it is
a moral demand for possibility, but it does not, in itself, constitute
the realization of this possibility. The truth is, you are not the central
transit hub for meaning about yourself, and you probably don’t even
have a right to be. You do not get to consent to yourself, even if you
might deserve the chance.
You do not get to consent to yourself—a definition of femaleness.

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the female that can be femaled is not the real female

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>Anon claims to be an intellectual
>Doesn't understand that in any public debate less is always more
>Its why the democrats keep fucking losing
Retard

>>44287593
Gincel was never here. Stop calling every anon tranny hater gincel.

>>44288173
nobody claimed to be an intellectual
this isn't a public debate
the conversation is irrelevant to democrats losing
you're boring

>>44288188
gincel is a feeling, a brand, a vibe

this is just like my american politics said the dweeb

>>44286013
This is the problem where you take random snippets of long pieces of text and then act like your confusion or anger at the snippet is an indictment of the rest if the text.

Its fundamentally anti-intellectual, and a classic chud tactic.

>>44276433
>Authors and academics writing controversial things.

All of you are retards.>>44271359

>>44286939
>In this sense,
>feminism opposes misogyny precisely inasmuch as it also expresses it.

Bullshit. This claim does not follow from the premises.

>>44288300
Then explain it to me like I'm a dumbass chud.

>>44288525
I don't know, I haven't read any of them, seems gay.
Probably long winded with like one decent observation justified and contrasted with anecdotes.

Like, take the one in the first image. It clearly built a case defining each of the terms and then the pictured is a conclusion drawn from the concepts they already talked about. Hard to even parse without seeing the rest.

The rest of the them are written like confessions, which can serve to either juxtapose the narrative they were writing before, or use to build off into explaining all the concepts more thoroughly. Probably breaking down their own experience in the context of society or something lame like that.

Writers like to throw out a wild statement and then try to explain it. Trans women, are more likely to display the most brutal thoughts, and a lot more likely to understand where those thoughts come from.

>>44288577
>Trans women, are more likely to display the most brutal thoughts, and a lot more likely to understand where those thoughts come from.
Uh, says who?

Thank you effort poster. I enjoyed learning.

>>44288173
Wait did you actually post this thinking you were cool?

>>44287583
>it’s that gender is something other people have to give
>you.
A lot of this was bullshit but that's but at least a tranny finally admitted this

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>>44288644
>Me
>Cool
Me and cool dont belong in the same sentence. Genuinely Im a retarded BPDoid who hasn't showered in 3 days and you should ignore every word that I say and treat me as any old street tweaker.
Being lame is like. My whole thing desu and my life can be summed up by this image except that I actually have a j*b

>>44271359
i thought this was andrea dworkin

>>44287481
if something is receptive they can't be like 'i'm done' they have be pretty much on the go

>>44288781
its the same theme "hurr men bad women good"

>>44288661
what
you people talk in riddles

>>44271359
Man can't stop projecting himself onto others.

>>44289343
Only he thinks and says the opposite of this "theme".
For him men are so much better than women that not even real men are men, as if being a man is an unachievable ideal, a perfection that's so perfect it can't even exist. He says that everyone is female and everyone hates it because "being a female" is being an inferior, lowly, abject thing that exists to be fucked. And of course he equates being a sissy with being female because of his tranny/submission fetish. This mad man is clearly deeply traumatized and he have serious complexes to the point of developing a mental illness related to not feeling worthy or dignified enough to be a man.

>>44292720
but he's still hewing to the feminist line that viewing woman as inferior is inaccurate

>>44288463
it does in the sense misogyny is being used here has as a dislike of femaleness
it opposes the mistreatment of women but also cuts women off from being able to be female
women must be strong independent warriors, not bimbos or home-makers or tie their existence to motherhood

>>44288661
all trannies know that gender is social there's no 'finally admitting' about it, this has been known from the start

>>44289269
still don't really know what you mean can you phrase it all together

>>44292720
>For him men are so much better than women
wrong
>women that not even real men are men, as if being a man is an unachievable ideal
wrong
>He says that everyone is female and everyone hates it because "being a female" is being an inferior, lowly, abject thing that exists to be fucked.
partially right partially wrong
>And of course he equates being a sissy with being female because of his tranny/submission fetish.
wrong
>This mad man is clearly deeply traumatized and he have serious complexes to the point of developing a mental illness related to not feeling worthy or dignified enough to be a man.
wrong


she doesn't say there are no men or men are better than women, she says everybody is female but she doesn't relate that word to sex or gender or anything man or woman related, it's a provocative joke that's useful later, you're like a yank that can't understand an irish republican is not part of the GOP
she never says being female is inferior (inferior to whom if everybody is female, you dolt) but that there's shame in this UNIVERSAL psychological condition of wishing to please at the same time as their is a desire for it, one example that clarifies that is being a sissy, part of the fear of such a thing is the worry one might end up liking it, giving up power, becoming an object of desire

>>44295813
so many words to say so little

>>44271389
But anon I fuck my wife PIV epic style

>>44295829
what crawled up your butt

>>44295829
>so many words
ipad baby attention span

>>44271389
No I think suppressing testosterone and presenting female phenotypically is female.
I am a dom top in bed and fuck masculine men because it's FUN

>>44287013
>Everyone is female, and everyone hates it. If this is true, then
>gender is very simply the form this self-loathing takes in any given
>case. All gender is internalized misogyny
Is the argument that everyone secretly craves giving up power and becoming a sexual object. Like in every case in every outcome everyone wants to be "female" ie. denying one's selfhood for the satisfaction of others???

>>44295870
that makes you a man tho