What determines if I'm a cis guy on HRT or a trans woman? Some people say merely "taking HRT" or "wanting to be a woman" makes you a woman. Others say you need to have "gender dysphoria," but what that entails varies; I've been adamantly told that you need to have or want a vagina to be a woman, and other forms of "dysphoria" not concerning the genitals "don't count." I've also been told that it's the "brain" that matters (hobbies, interests, predispositions, etc.), but other people pretend there's no difference and say it doesn't matter.What makes one a trans woman? How do I tell if I am one, or not?>Hurr durr why do you care Because it's important to understand oneself to accept oneself and self-actualize.
>>44286720Adopt the position that "woman" is a political class and not some metaphysical identity
if a mischevious genie banished HRT and SRS from the face of the earth but allowed you to choose between having a male body or a female body, but your choice was irreversible, which would you choose?
>>44286765I'm not delusional and woke enough for this, sorry. >>44286771Too little information. How masculine would the male be and how feminine the female? Would it be as though I had natal reproductive anatomy of my desired sex? Would my brain and theoretical upbringing reflect that? Because the "real life" answer to this question is too confounded and your scenario is too reductive and unrealistic, one can't glean meaningful information from it unless the case is clear-cut, which mine. Is not.
>>44286833No it's actually not woke because the position you take is that you can't just "be" a woman unless you are perceived as one. So, trans women only become women when they're recognized as such. It doesn't necessarily mean passing, but being seen as "weird women" rather than "crossdressing men."
>>44286720U ask thisR u actually retarded
>>44286860>No it's actually not woke because the position you take is that you can't just "be" a woman unless you are perceived as one.I think you're projecting your own issues onto me and conflating them with the questions and issues I'm having. I "pass," am "perceived as a woman," I malefail even if I'm deliberately trying to present male at this point. I don't think this is good criteria--not saying whether it's right or wrong--to define whether one is a woman or not. Because crossdressers/femboys (which some would define me as) could also cross this threshold. Unless you're saying some men can be women. None of this makes a lot of sense. >but being seen as "weird women" rather than "crossdressing men."The other thing that I think is rather fraught is how do you even determine this? In the US, personality-wise--setting my appearance aside for the sake of conversation--I think most would deem me an autistic male. But in countries with more subcultural alignment like, say, Japan, one could see me as a "weird woman." That's not "absolute," it's hazy and if I'm to take "woman" and "man" even as flimsy political classes, that they can vary so heavily based merely on latitude and longitude is a bit silly to entertain. >>44286875Sorry I didn't make another boymoder subculture bitch, AI generated or larp thread for you to jerk off to and actually want to seriously discuss something that ails me. Kill yourself.
>>44286833>How masculine would the male be and how feminine the female?About as feminine as the average woman, if woman. About as masculine as the average man, if man. >Would it be as though I had natal reproductive anatomy of my desired sex?Yes>Would my brain and theoretical upbringing reflect that? YesEssentially, do you want to be the proto-typical cis man or woman.
>>44286720Idk. My bestie said you take a bunch of drugs and masturbate in a dark room in front of a mirror with a bunch of candles around you and you use a dildo and jerk yourself off at the same time, and you basically mentally fuck yourself from both positions, as a man and woman at the same time and then decide which one you prefer.
>>44287007>About as feminine as the average woman, if woman. About as masculine as the average man, if man.That's a tough one, then. I'd be content either being a normal guy or a normal woman. I think being a normal, natal woman would grant me more freedom and privilege, provided I remain a firstoid. So that.
>>44286892Okay so if people consistently treat you like a woman, guess what? That's the political class you align with.
>>44287035>firstoidWhat is that.Also, imagine you had to pick one to be absolutely and never changing. If your conflicted you could be non-binary idkt. cis guy
>>44287043It depends on what you mean by that. I'm recognized as one aesthetically but personality-wise I think people can tell I'm not one because I'm too introverted, socially inept.>>44287059>What is that.I'm someone in a first-world country.> If your conflicted you could be non-binary idkI don't believe in that [for me at least].
If you have dysphoria I don’t know why people get hung up on thisTrans women are literally just feminized males You’re never gonna be like cis women lolNo matter how much people cope about getting pseudo periods, about brain scans and all this other stupid shit trying to work their way into the female categorySo why worry so much Just take your estrogen live a good life idk get a bf(boooo transbians ewww) and idk do what you want Now people on this board might not agree with this take but trans woman are basically not women but they are also not necessarily men More like a variation of male kinda like a eunuch and that’s A O.KRemember, none of this gender theory bullshit matters if you passt. MTF
>>44287088Do they see you as a weird woman then?
>>44287088Here is a better question. Since your AMAB, if people refer to you as male, does that bother you?
>>44287115What is dysphoria? Define it. >Remember, none of this gender theory bullshit matters if you passI mean part of my conundrum is that I've been told I'm *not* a woman (by trans women) and I have less-than-noble reasons for not wanting to be a guy. I *aesthetically* pass, but my hobbies, interests are unequivocally male, and I'm too socially retarded to be viewed as a female when held up to scrutiny. I don't even fit in among *trans women* even if we go with your hypothesis that "trans women are basically not women but they are also not necessarily men.">>44287121I think I pass for one initially but under a finer lens, as they can see just how freakishly socially retarded and unlike a woman I am in that domain, it becomes apparent I am not one. I will essentially never get gendered "sir" or "he/him" off the rip, but I'm not welcomed into cis or trans female groups because I have nothing in common with them, unless pity is an element. And no I'm not seeking to invade their spaces, I'm just noting how I'm responded to. There's plenty of sexual tension when dealing with guys but men are stupid and retarded and think with their penises.>>44287135It depends. I believe I probably am one, at the very least, I just "wish I wasn't." Randoms will almost never refer to me as male, but my family exclusively views me as such, and yes that bothers me.
>>44287150That sounds less like being ostracized because you're not a woman and more just normal social ineptitude.
>>44287166Almost all women are socially integrated to a much greater degree than men are. Genuinely socially inept women exist, but they are really rare and aren't inept in the ways that I am. Occam's razor should dictate I'm a guy. Moreover, my social ineptitude stems from uniquely male-socialization related reasons.
>>44287205occams razor dictates that you're just a stupid foid istg
>>44287216Epic thought terminating cliche.
>>44287150>It depends. I believe I probably am one, at the very least, I just "wish I wasn't." Randoms will almost never refer to me as male, but my family exclusively views me as such, and yes that bothers me.Granted, I'm only a cis guy, but if you wish you weren't a man then you aren't cis. If given the choice I would pick man everyday.
>>44287150> what is dysphoriaIf being perceived as a guy or treated “as a guy” or looking “like a guy” causes you anywhere from moderate to severe psychological damage then yeah you’re probably a tranny and should get on E Dysphoria is a cognitohazard and is permanent as soon as you realize you have it
>>44287258>Granted, I'm only a cis guy, but if you wish you weren't a man then you aren't cis.I think this is a bit reductive. Let's spin it the other way and draw an analogy. A woman who grows up in India or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia is going to face a gargantuan amount of misogyny and restrictions on her ability to live As a Person relative to the men there. If said woman isn't "dysphoric" (whatever that means) and wants to be a man simply because of external, cultural factors that prevent her from being treated fairly as a woman, does that mean she is the same as a FtM with genuine dysphoria? Both are AFAB and "wish they weren't women." My point is the FtM in this analogy is a man, of course, but the woman in these countries hostile to women's rights, inundated by a next level degree of misogyny "wishes they weren't women." That doesn't make them trans men, per se. If they just happened to spawn in a more egalitarian country, they'd probably be cool with being women. The same would not be true of FtMs.>>44287271That's still vague. What specific things are dysphoria? Do you need to have, want a vagina to be dysphoric? What if you only hate being a guy for social reasons/trauma related reasons?
>>44287301Yeah but when people pose these questions they aren't supposing tons of societal harm done to either gender, probably because we speak to people in primarily first world nations.So to answer your question, if you knew either decision would have little no societal harm done upon you either way, do you wish to be the prototypical male or female?
>>44287150> less than nobleAre you MEF or something( Male Emasculation Fetishist)Also I’ll make this easy for you and let you in on a little secretThe reason why trans woman squabble about soulpassing and all this other bullshit is bc trans woman in the most literal biological sense are just chemically feminized males and we as a group must make up stupid bullshit to convince ourselves we are/are able to become female Which is why, like I said none of this shit actually matters if you pass and are decently cute as you are then in the eyes of 99 percent of people just a cute woman which is what you want right? Now you can be a normal member of society I’m gonna be completely honest with you Obsessing over the definition of female and gender theory and such is just never passer cope There’s a reason why Twitter highbies are so fucking weird Once you get to the top of the hill and pass nothing else really matters + you no longer have to associate with other trans people
whats up with the number of recent posters not understanding the basics of sex, gender identity and expression? you know you can google that, right?
>>44287301> what specific things are dysphoria Ok let me give you examples as someone who has above average dysphoria relative to my irl peersI used to get dysphoric(endure psychic damage from):Looking in the mirrorHaving body hairHaving male genitals(sometimes) Having too short hairBeing called a guyBeing called a boyBeing called a manBeing assumed to be a straight male)if you do piv as a trans woman I hate you forever and uh, die)Not being able to get pregnantNot having a uterusGirls having wider hips than meSeeing girls who have more fem features than meBeing grouped in with guysImagining “just being a gay guy”Imagining twink death and looking like a manThe concept of doing piv and having kidsWearing a suitLooking at myself nakedEtc. as for your next question if you only hate being a guy for social/trauma reasons I would strongly suggest putting down the estrogen vial and going to therapyBeing trans is absolutely dogshit and still decently ass if you end up being the 1-3% that pass That said if you do that and still have trans thoughts after 6-12 months the succubus has probably gotten hold of you and you should just transition
>>44287313>Yeah but when people pose these questions they aren't supposing tons of societal harm done to either gender, probably because we speak to people in primarily first world nations.I'm using that as an illustration. Of course it's not actually that severe in first world countries, but my point (which you seem to have not understood) is that there are Definitely Societal Factors even in the first world that can cause someone to dislike their natal sex besides "ur a tranny Harry." To be a little less tactful, men who are sub-normal, unable to successfully pass the threshold of "positive masculinity" are treated quite harshly by males and women alike. I was bullied and traumatized pretty heavily around puberty onwards for being Weird and (falsely) perceived as "gay." I consequently didn't have the social foundation everyone takes for granted. My parents favored my sisters and gave them everything while I got nothing (I'm not "entitled," I'm just highlighting a stark difference in treatment). My mom could do anything from cheating to driving drunk with no consequences. My sisters struggled with typical teen problems and were supported, I couldn't even date. Collectively this all leaves an impression on a guy.>So to answer your question, if you knew either decision would have little no societal harm done upon you either way, do you wish to be the prototypical male or female?If I could be a normal man or normal woman I'd have no preference.
>>44287325I'm not a MEF. I pass and am decently cute and have a female-stereotypical job. But when trans women call me a transvestic skinwalker and I will always be the original sin of being male, of being othered even by trans women, of course that's gonna bother me. Impostor syndrome up to eleven and that's the most charitable interpretation.I already (aesthetically) pass and I have noticed a lot of hostility from trans women, specifically (IRL and online). It's made me really resentful and frankly I don't want to interact with all but the few I can count on one hand who aren't terrible to me. But it's because of this hostility, in part, that I don't think I could even be considered trans, because if I was I'd be welcomed, accepted instead of relentlessly attacked and ostracized, save maybe out of pity. >>44287333Because my own particular case is very esoteric and you'd know that if you read instead of kneejerked.
>>44286720I’m an agp transfemme and I don’t consider myself a woman. I think like a man, have male interests, etc. and yet the gulf between me and a cis guy is miles wide. Wearenotthesame.jpg. When I go out to an event with get all dolled up and i practice my voice and do my best to be graceful and let my softness come out but I can tell that cis women definitely can tell we are not the same, they’re nice and all but I can see them subconsciously tighten up the same as if some longshoremen walked in the club.
>>44287393If you already pass you shouldn’t careDon’t make the mistake many modern transsexuals make and stick around and in trans spaces once you passEspecially if you feel ostracized just be normal and hang out with cis women
>>44287365I'm going to go down this list for the sake of transparency.>Looking in the mirrorYes, was unable to do this at all until FFS. Even for shaving before laser I'd do it without a mirror. I am fine with it now and think I look cute.>Having body hairBothered me immensely, has slowed since HRT, manageable now since it grows back slowly and I nip it in the bud.>Having male genitals(sometimes) This is probably the big disqualifier for me. There's a lot of confounding factors. If I were a proper man and could use them, wasn't circumcised it wouldn't bother me, but I can't say I hate having one because I wouldn't ever get SRS due to vaginal disgust + not having a uterus (can have buttsex fine). As long as it doesn't get hard and no one touches it, it's whatever.>Having too short hairHad to get haircuts regularly until I moved out, basically rape.>Being called a guyBothers me but I know it's true>Being called a boyOk with this but I'm kind of old now.>Being called a manBothers me but I know it's true>Being assumed to be a straight male)if you do piv as a trans woman I hate you forever and uh, die)No. Never even got the whole "rapehon" stereotype personally because women could always somehow tell I wasn't even slightly sexually interested in them. I don't want PIV but that's more because my brain is broken and I think anything to do with vaginas is nauseating, so it's not exculpatory, okay.>Not being able to get pregnantBothers me tremendously but you can call me a fetishist over this.>Not having a uterusSee above. Why I wouldn't even consider SRS even if I could swallow my vaginal disgust.>Girls having wider hips than meSucks but I can cope with the hips I have now.>Seeing girls who have more fem features than meBothered me more before my body changed.[cont].
>>44287393>Because my own particular case is very esoteric and you'd know that if you read instead of kneejerked.sorry im as lazy as you
>>44287365>>44287428>Being grouped in with guysBothers me, but I am one. What can I do.>Imagining “just being a gay guy”Bothers me but that's mostly because I share nothing in common with gay men and masc4masc personally disgusts me. >Imagining twink death and looking like a manBothers me, but I recognize twink death is a meme and doesn't happen if one takes care of themselves/has good genes.>The concept of doing piv and having kidsWould like to be able to do this and just be a normal guy more than almost anything else, but I can't, which upsets me a lot. >Wearing a suitAvoid this as much as humanly possible. Don't even think I own one. >Looking at myself nakedHave AGP feelings WRT this now, wouldn't "jerk off in the mirror" or whatever but I recognize my body as attractive.>>44287414>If you already pass you shouldn’t careI "shouldn't" but I do. This isn't helpful. >Don’t make the mistake many modern transsexuals make and stick around and in trans spaces once you passI only come here occasionally out of desperation. Twitter still shows me Twitter trannies who are hostile to me and people like me and that makes me upset and "resentful," so I can't not think about it. Would help if my brain, personality, social ability were more woman-like so I could integrate there, also (cis or trans). >Especially if you feel ostracized just be normal and hang out with cis womenI have nothing in common with cis (or trans) women, at all. >>44287402Hm, interesting. This also seems distinct from my experience. I tried to voice train and gave up because it was too distressing. I've never had women "tighten up" around me, but again I think that's because they can tell I have zero romantic/sexual interest in them.
>>44287371>If I could be a normal man or normal woman I'd have no preference.Then you are (probably) cis. Be a man then
>>44287484>Then you are (probably) cis. Be a man thenI'm trying. I just can't live up to any of the standards of masculinity well.
>>44287511Then don't be a typical male. Be yourself. Define manhood on your own terms.
>>44287535Would be cool but unfortunately I don't live in a vacuum so my quality of life is still going to be hellish because I don't conform, or rather can't.
>>44287540Why is that? What would happen if you didn't preform typical masculinity?
>>44287548Well for not salivating at the thought of pussy as a teenager I lost all of my friends saved one, was traumatized, and consequently don't have the social foundation any human being is supposed to have. Made no friends in high school, middle school, college, and beyond. My dad (who doesn't even hate me) constantly tried to correct my flaws (not being sufficiently masculine) to no avail, so I was berated a lot, which of course is going to affect one's self-esteem for life. My mom, who used to like me and I used to be very close with, instantly started hating me the second she found out I was on E. I don't talk to her unless I absolutely must because she's actively antagonistic. Men don't respect me because I'm not out crushing pussy. I've had former roommates look down on me for merely pursuing my hobbies in peace (although I of course had no problems with them doing the same), or intentionally antagonize me out of spite/because they didn't see me as a full person. Women, cis and trans, hate me in general, unless they view me as a pity project. Just a few examples.
>>44287088>I think people can tell I'm not one because I'm too introverted, socially inept.nta but that can be learned. Cis women aren't born social butterflies or natively able to navigate women's cliques either. They learn this shit too.>Almost all women are socially integrated to a much greater degree than men areYes. Because they learn this shit from age 9.We just have to catch up.Is it easy? Hell no! Is it doable? YES.I physically passed once ffs healed. But I was never suspected of ever being anything than a mid woman once I soulpassed. It's never too late to learn. I learned it the hard way, long before I physically passed and very mechanically. Since you already pass physically, it's easier.First: stop hanging out online.>twitterDelete it. Fuck, delete all social media except a very normie boring page on a normie socmed.>Would help if my brain, personality, social ability were more woman-likeBrain is plastic. Get cisf friends and imitate. I'm serious!Fake it till you make it works.
>>44287568>Women, cis and trans, hate me in general, unless they view me as a pity projectDo what I did: find an older woman to be your spiritual mother.My spiritual mother is in her 70s now. I also thought she just viewed me as a pitty project but the fact that she "adopted" me and taught me how to woman for all these years and we're still close, slowly cured me of cynicism.But i was lucky because i didn't have the age brainworm. If you have that brainworm, kill it. Older people are not your enemy. They can be a source of inspiration. Even a negative inspiration, tbqh. Like I know how NOT to be as a woman by looking at my mother-in-law, lol.
>>44287608>nta but that can be learned.For the average person. I've tried relentlessly for the past 15 years and failed every time. If you don't at least have the foundation taken for granted even as a guy, it becomes nigh impossible. I'd need someone IRL to be sympathetic but not so much so that they keep me around only out of pity. >Get cisf friends and imitate. How. I have nothing in common with women. IRL my attempts at making them have gone just as poorly as my attempts to make male friends.>>44287627I'll consider this seriously but I don't want to be weird or use anyone.
>>44287568You ever try to find more gay/queer communities? They would be more understanding of your "queer" behaviors.
>>44287627>HowThen get something in common.Something as banal as an evening shopping session does wonders. I'm not joking at all.You think I had anything in common with women? I was an r9k incel for crying out loud.But stereotypes exist for a reason.>I'd need someone IRL to be sympathetic but not so much so that they keep me around only out of pityYou'd have to start with those that are with the pity party. Graduate those first. I'm sorry, there is no short answer. Not when you've been doing it wrong and you're still stuck in this rigid black-and-white turbo-cynical thinking.There's nothing wrong with being pitied, nona. How do you think women get ahead? That's how! They swallow their ego and accept being pitied until they grow. Cis women learn this by age 14. I had to learn it at 29. You have to learn it now. It's ALL learnable skill as long as you allow yourself to learn it rather than constantly resisting it.I'm sure you had opportunities before but you rejected them without even realizing. That's why I'm trying to explain it in your language (tho I'm probably too fembrained atp to make myself fully understood).>I don't want to be weirdThe path to no longer being weird goes THROUGH a lot of weirdness, I'm afraid.Your chronic fear of failure (compounded by some real failure I'm sure) is your biggest enemy. Allow yourself to be weird and make mistakes. And take that with a smile. No, I'm not joking at all.>or use anyoneAll friendships or even acquaintance type of relationships are to a certain extent people using each other.My spiritual mother gets a lot of happiness from seeing me flourish as a woman. Now that she's older she's also getting some help from me. I get her wisdom and her very practical advice.Drop the "use" thinking. You both get something out of it.
>>44287708Yes actually. They're the harshest towards me in adulthood. I've tried. Gay guys hate me because they can tell I'm not gay and have no culture in common with them. They either view me as, call me a tranny or bipedo (I'm not attracted to women) because of my interest in otaku culture.Straight trans women hate me because they see me as a transvestic skinwalker because I don't have or want a vagina. They'll say absolutely horrendous things to me like "stay away from women's spaces transvestite" or "don't call yourself a woman" or "no straight man will ever love you because you have a penis" or "anal sex isn't real sex but a crude imitation."Gynephilic trans women hate me because they see me effectively as a gender traitor because I date men. And boymoding subculture women hate me because I aesthetically pass, so I'm a traitor and privileged and a passoid there too and therefore a bad person. They can mention "my gf," "my wife," "I don't even like guys" and be met with acceptance and knowing nods and affirmation, but if I say "my boyfriend" the light leaves their eyes and they exclude me. Because I'm not attractive to them, I'm not even worth befriending, too.Cis lesbians and bi women I have nothing in common with. IRL they don't like me or hate me but don't really want anything to do with me, online, as with gynephilic trans women, theyre pretty vitriolic. Bisexual women a bit less so.Cis bisexual men I have a higher likelihood of hobby overlap, but there's inherently a lot of unwanted sexual tension there.FtMs I have nothing in common with either.
>>44287742>Something as banal as an evening shopping session does wonders.I'm poor. I used to go to /r9k/ as well but even if I had money where would I go? I tried to go to an event at a bookstore and it was implied that because of the stuff I liked I was a bad person, so I walked out.>Allow yourself to be weird and make mistakes. And take that with a smile. No, I'm not joking at all.If failing were neutral, even if I were still as sensitive as I am, I could stomach it. Unfortunately if I get called or insinuated as a pedophile because of the novels I read, that's a life ruining spurious accusation I cannot afford to continue have happening. And no I don't have this stuff around.
>>44287840I'm gonna be honest, I don't believe you. I have never seen a gay man gate keep being gay. This is purely online phenomena. Have you tried entering queer spices IRL?
>>44287900As I said, I have tried. I've gone to multiple and it's never ended well. At best I get ignored and talked over.
>>44287911So you've never found one soul that was accommodating or understanding?
>>44286720i say if you pass as a woman, you are one enough to me, simple as; therefore, if you're not trying to be a woman, you aren't, and while an otherwise ordinary man taking feminizing HRT is pretty unorthodox, it's not that different from hairloss meds in the realm of self care and beauty
>>44287925In real life? No. Online I've found a very small handful.
>>44286720the difference is hip growth. that's it. if you have good hip growth, trans woman. If you have man hips, you're a man. It really clears everything up
>>44287953I'm sure this absolutely wasn't posted by a trans woman insecure about her hips
>>44287854>it was implied that because of the stuff I liked I was a bad person, so I walked out>it was impliedHere's what I'm hearing: Nobody said anything at all to you but you chose to take some off hand comment from someone else as being intentionally directed at you and that was a good excuse for you to fuck off instead of facing the demons and actually talk to people.>Unfortunately if I get called or insinuated as a pedophile because of the novels I readOh my goodness, you really haven't learned anything in life? Like, fr?You don't tell people what novels you read, for crying out loud. You keep that shit for you.Sorry but it is on you to make an effort to accommodate to normalfags, not the other way around.Failing is neutral if you keep your spergy shit out. I'm sorry the world is not populated by spergs. The world is populated by people interested in the world cup, the latest instagram drama, or some other goyslop. It is what it is.>even if I had money where would I go?Ask a colleague at work to join you in a Friday afternoon to shop for some clothes at the shopping mall. That's literally how I picked up my first cisf friend ever in my life. It was in the autumn of 2018 as a turboclocky troon. The whole experience cost about 50 euros or maybe even less. Then asked her again next week and she said: "Okay, but I'm picking the stuff. You need to learn these things, nona"Just like that.But you know what I didn't do? I never once spoke to her about my spergy interests. Ever. Still don't. She doesn't know 4chan exists, doesn't know anything about anime or any of my own interests. I met her at HER level.
>>44287953shoulders and overall size are more important
>>44287900No, I believe her, actually. Turbospergs like her tend to be overly dramatic when interpreting things.What most likely happened was her starting sperging out about some boring minute niche shit that nobody normal ever gives a fuck about and when other guys spoke over to try to remove the awkwardness she interpreted it as a personal attack.Granted, it doesn't help that adult normalfags don't take one minute out of their precious time in such situations to take the sperg on the side and tell him/her this: "Look, we're having a beer and discussing hook-ups. Your 10 minute tangent about some novel that we don't give af about and we'll never read is a drag on everyone else's energy. Stay on topic or come up with topics that are more appropriate." - or words to that effect.
>>44288106>Here's what I'm hearingIn one case I was literally told "[pedophiles like you] aren't welcome here," and in another, separate group, they complained about Problematic Stuff in a novel and I did leave preemptively because I knew it would be the same stuff. >You don't tell people what novels you read, for crying out loud. You keep that shit for you.I didn't bring them up. Others mentioned they read them and I joined an existing conversation. And that was in a case of cis men. I've never brought it up with women. >I never once spoke to her about my spergy interests. Ever. I've never done this and never would do this. It's easier for you to attack me and accuse me of wrongdoing if you make up this caricature in your head instead or engaging with who I actually am and what I have actually done. >>44288130Shut the fuck up. I hate how you people automatically assume the worst about me. I'd never bring up spergy shit out of the blue. This is the kind of stuff that makes me not want to be around trannies and want to kill myself. You treat me like I'm a criminal or worse just because I'm weird but I'm not devoid of self awareness. The last time I talked about the weird shit I liked unprompted was when I was like 9 so it's a non factor fuck you
>>44286771What if I would rather be a femboy or twink than a woman, but would rather be a woman than a masculine man?
>>44288184>Shut the fuck upNo. This is 4chan. You don't get to boss anyone around here.>I hate how you people automatically assume the worst about meWhy wouldn't I? You ooze black-and-white thinking through almost every syllable you type. I'm very accustomed to this kind of typology so it doesn't bother me. But I am telling you that it absolutely does bother normalfags and the vast VAST majority of people.>You treat me like I'm a criminal or worseI'm not treating you like a criminal. I'm treating you like a weirdo who refuses to accept managing your weirdness is your responsibility.You can whine as much as you want but that will never make everyone else adapt to you, anon.>This is the kind of stuff that makes me not want to be around trannies and want to kill myselfCut the BPDemon crap.>but I'm not devoid of self awarenessYou haven't shown that at all ITT. Quite the opposite, you continue to assume you know everything and anyone even trying to suggest anything is an idiot. That's as devoid of self awareness as it can get.You clearly don't know how to read the room. Or there's something you're not telling.There's no way this shit keeps on happening just to you through no fault of your own.Even in this comment you lash out on me on a comment where I explicitly say that normalfags should be a little bit more understanding.
