actually medical transition for trans people is not the same as recreational or performance enhancing hormone use, and conflating the two will just be used as an excuse to ban both

>>44290585
missing the point of the judge like always I see.

the difference is that gender dysphoria is a mental illness which hampers efficiency and battle readiness whereas trt is a bio-enhancement that increases efficiency and battle readiness. i dont even agree really but the argument is straight forward if you’re not obtuse

>>44290585
Hormone therapy for cis and trans people are both the same, there's 0 difference in practice. It's gender affirming care either way. Hormones fluctuate, it's normal and the only reason for a cis man to want to pump himself full of test because he's maybe slightly below the average level is almost entirely mental, ie because it makes him FEEL more like a man (as defined by social standards). Which is the same reason a trans man might pursue hormone treatment

>>44290613
So hrt which alleviates gender dysphoria would increase efficiency and battle readiness?

>>44290637
is sterilization effectively a form of gender affirming care?

>>44290613
so why did the attempted ban ban people who were receiving treatment or had previously received treatment while allowing those who refused treatment?

>>44290649
well yeah but not to the level required

>>44290613
Gender dysphoria is only a problem when untreated though. Post gender affirming care the problems subside to varying degrees. Anyway pumping AFABs full of test seems like a net benefit anyway doesn't it? Makes them stronger and angrier like a cis man

>>44290494
no difference for the taxpayers anyway who get to pay for lifelong medication when these people hop on LIFELONG medication because their balls will stop naturally producing testosterone if they start taking it artifically

>>44290652
That's something you should talk to your doctor about

There is no ban on transgender people in the military. This is a lie by the left. There is a ban on people with gender dysphoria. Not all trans people have gender dysphoria and nothing prevents trans people from socially transitioning while off hours while not on duty. Once on duty, you have to abide by the same sex based standards as all people in the military, without special accommodations.

>>44290671
>hop on LIFELONG medication because their balls will stop naturally producing testosterone if they start taking it artifically

taking testosterone doesn't make you infertile. are you retarded btw?

Both are based. Who is the government to tell me what hormones i'm supposed to have and at what a level? It's a matter of bodily autonomy.

>>44290687
Don't you have new pronouns to make up with your Tumblr buds?

You need dysphoria to be trans.

>Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s new initiative to test and treat troops for low testosterone

Is this for men or men and women? Because women also have natural testosterone and probably need quite a bit to be in the military.

>>44290669
i dont know if the statistics really bare any of that out. idk. irdc though

>>44290687
Except the ban isn't for gender dysphoria.

It's for TREATING or HAVING PREVIOUSLY TREATED gender dysphoria.

>>44290652
TRT can cause sterilization

>>44290726
>You need dysphoria to be trans.

Facts over your feelings, leftist.

>In current mainstream medical and psychological practice (e.g. the DSM-5-TR and WPATH Standards of Care): No. A person can identify as transgender without meeting the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a clinical diagnosis describing significant distress or impairment related to the incongruence between one's gender identity and sex assigned at birth. Not every transgender person experiences that level of distress.
?Under some legal or policy definitions: Yes, or effectively yes. For example, some governments or institutions have adopted policies that define transgender status in terms of having a diagnosis of gender dysphoria or having sought medical transition. In those contexts, dysphoria may be treated as a necessary condition.
>In some ideological or community perspectives: Opinions differ. Some people argue that experiencing gender dysphoria is essential to being transgender ("transmedicalist" or "truscum" view). Others argue that a person's gender identity alone is sufficient, regardless of dysphoria.

So it's not a ban on transgender people. You are a transmedicalist.

>>44290699
It does because of aromatization

>>44290739
>It's for TREATING or HAVING PREVIOUSLY TREATED gender dysphoria.
wrong

https://www.war.gov/Portals/1/Spotlight/2025/Guidance_For_Federal_Policies/Prioritizing_Military_Excellence_and_Readiness_P&R_Guidance.pdf

>current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with, gender
dysphoria are disqualified for military service.
>A history of cross-sex hormone therapy or sex reassignment or genital reconstruction
surgery as treatment for gender dysphoria or in pursuit of a sex transition

>>44290754
Transmedicalism is the way, the rest is retard postmodernists saying bottoming makes you a woman or the shit you're saying

>>44290775
>diagnosis
first part of treatment is getting diagnosed

>history of cross sex hormone therapy
hmmmmmmmmm
seems like banning trannies even if they self medicate without a diagnosis or symptoms

are you that retard from last year that did this schtick for months?

>>44290727
The only way this makes actual sense and isn't just a waste of taxpayer money is if everyone gets test full stop. Men and women. Make everyone jacked as shit and pissed as chimps. Women included. Otherwise they're probably wasting far more money on the testosterone screenings alone

ROID TRANNIES STAY WINNING

>>44290803
legalize all steroids?

>>44290798
>first part of treatment is getting diagnosed
not everyone does.

>seems like banning trannies even if they self medicate without a diagnosis or symptoms

1. You could just not tell someone you are taking HRT.
2. You shouldn't tell people until you are out of the military.
3. Not every trannie takes HRT or has the surgery.

>>44290687
There was literally an executive order followed by an administrative notice from Dumb MacNamara banning trans people from military service. There's an FTM who posts here that got kicked out for being a tranny. The admiral hon that /pol/ has been posting about for a decade also got discharged too for being a tranny. Kicking out trannies was a celebrated achievement by the right. Why even make such an obvious lie? What audience are you even playing for? /pol/-types are cheering this on, lefties know you're full of shit...are you just attempting to pander to the 1% of the 1% of trans people that are somehow ignorant of whats happening in the armed forces? Like what's the game theory on this obviously false statement?

>>44290781
>or the shit you're saying
you are denying the trans experience of people who don't want to medically transition or are non-binary

>>44290831
>There was literally an executive order followed by an administrative notice from Dumb MacNamara banning trans people from military service.

Look it up, at no point does the "transgender" or "transgenderism" appears in the documents.

>There's an FTM who posts here that got kicked out for being a tranny. The admiral hon that /pol/ has been posting about for a decade also got discharged too for being a tranny.\

They were discharged for

>current diagnosis or history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with, gender dysphoria are disqualified for military service or a history of cross-sex hormone therapy or sex reassignment or genital reconstruction

>Kicking out trannies was a celebrated achievement by the right.

I guess I didn't get the memo, because I am a right winger. I know alot of leftist lied and said it banned transgender people.

>Why even make such an obvious lie?

I know it's weird you keep making lies like this.

>What audience are you even playing for? /pol/-types are cheering this on, lefties know you're full of shit...are you just attempting to pander to the 1% of the 1% of trans people that are somehow ignorant of whats happening in the armed forces? Like what's the game theory on this obviously false statement?

Go to the military recruitment office. Or find someone in the military. Tell them you are transgender. They can't do anything about it. Because there is no ban.

also banning trannies in the military would be a violation of the Bostock v. Clayton County precedent. It's a ban on gender dysphoria.

The argument against HRT was that they couldn't ensure supply on the battlefield. But apparently this doesn't apply to men injecting T? So obviously Hegseth is causing problems with this; OR, here's my conspiracy theory: this is a backdoor to allowing trans troops while pretending that they don't want to. Basically repubs saving face.

>>44290826
the physical effects of HRT are pretty immediately obvious and if they're going to be hormone testing it'll be obvious then

>not every tranny takes HRT or surgery
lmao no
kys retard

>>44290893
>The argument against HRT was that they couldn't ensure supply on the battlefield.
There is a shit load of HRT in Iran. Iran is the capital of gender reassignment surgeries.

>>44290893
or it's a backdoor to test hormone levels and weed out HRTreppers

>>44290613
I won 9 battle Royale matches in a row with tested 50 estrogen and no circuses enhancement.

I beat 893 HYPER ALPHA MALES TM on add meds and energy drinks and 7 trannies

Muhammad battlereadiness my shriveled leftnut

>>44290898
>the physical effects of HRT are pretty immediately obvious

Sorry is there some way they can just tell imminently and test you for it?

Based on everything I've seen, this is a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy for all this stuff. You can put on your lip stick and whig and women's clothing once off duty, but it's a distraction to military readiness once you are serving.

>lmao no
>No. Not every transgender person who is MTF (transgender woman) takes HRT or has surgery.

>There is a wide range of transition paths:

>Hormone replacement therapy (HRT): Many transgender women take estrogen (often with testosterone suppression), but some do not. Reasons can include personal choice, health considerations, cost, access, age, family/work circumstances, or not wanting medical changes.
>Surgeries: Many transgender women do not have gender-affirming surgeries. Some pursue procedures such as:
Vaginoplasty (genital surgery)
Facial feminization surgery (FFS)
Breast augmentation
Other procedures
But these are not universal, and some transgender women do not want surgery.
>Social transition: Some transgender women transition socially (name, pronouns, clothing, presentation) without medical transition.
>No transition or partial transition: Some identify as transgender but make few or no outward changes.

I'm talking social transition. No right winger opposes social transition.

>>44290920
>I beat 893 HYPER ALPHA MALES TM on add meds and energy drinks and 7 trannies
?

>>44290929
>no right winger opposes social transition
weird how there's all these bills, laws, and policies banning or restricting it
retard

>Secretary Hegseth announced that service members age 30 and older would receive annual testosterone screenings as part of routine health assessments, with younger service members able to opt in. The announcement referred broadly to “service members,” but reporting noted that the impact on female troops was unclear. The Washington Post specifically reported that the effect on women and military fitness rules was unclear.

It effects FTMs.

>>44290951
>weird how there's all these bills, laws, and policies banning or restricting it
There are laws in place that prohibit someone from dressing up in whatever clothing they want and maintaining whatever gender identifies they want? Can you please show us what law us right wingers imposes that did this?

Remember, right wingers want less government interference in people's lives.

>Social transition is an act or process in which a person changes the way they interact with or are viewed by others to align with their gender identity. Social transition is the most common form of gender transition due to its relative accessibility, but it is not a requirement to be trans.

>We refer to social transitioning as changing your name and/or pronouns, appearance or expression (such as clothing or hairstyles), the washroom you use, and so on. Many folks also choose to affirm their gender identity through medical means, such as the use of hormones or surgery.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

Trump established gender identity definition into federal regulation. They idea he's transphobic is preposterous.

>(g) “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.

God you're retarded.

>>44290971
Bill: Michigan HB 4938 classified crossdressing as a "prohibited act" subject to punishment by law
Law: Revocation of IDs, banning schools from acknowledging social transition, more crossdressing laws
Policy: Literally the military policy
You're holding two contradictory positions because you're a jobless autist who struggled in middle school
>right wingers want less government interference
one of the most blatant lies imaginable
conservatism is built on government enforcement of social norms
it's liberalism that largely promotes social freedom

>>44290992
legitimately what do you get out of this? there's no way someone could legitimately be this stupid without forgetting how to eat, blink, or breathe

>>44290939
Battle Royale is 100 people per match x 9 matches in a row = 900 others lost - 36 counting my team and 7 of those 874 or whatever were trannies if you want to be technical about it.

It's very very low probability and should be borderline impossible if MUH TRANS STATUS AND INFERIOR ESTROGEN LEVELS OF A 90 YEAR OLD LADY AND MY FENALE 30 TESTOSTERONE LEVELS THAT AREN'T THE 500 LEVELS MEN HAVE OR WHATEVER.

But no.
I fucking shit on every fucking cis male.
LEVELS are fucking excuses. Gitgud.
Its just panic attacks and feelings of immense dread. Push through it pussy bitch. It doesn't effect your ability to put a scope or drone on target or push rooms or shot call.

You make shit up because you're a fucking goy golem Israel pedonigger
Fuck you terrorist faggot get off my American website

>>44290890
>>44290881
>It's a ban on gender dysphoria.
This would be like banning everyone with a certain concentration of melanin from joining the military but pretending it's not a ban on blacks.
Who the fuck do you think you're fooling with this? Do you actually eat the shit you shovel or do you just think everyone else is that dumb?

>>44291006
>For Michigan HB 4938 (2025–2026 session): No, it was not signed into law. It was only an introduced bill and did not pass the Legislature.

>The bill was introduced on September 11, 2025, referred to the House Judiciary Committee, and remained at that stage.

>Regarding the "crossdressing" language: the bill did contain language in its definition of prohibited material referring to a person of one biological sex "imitating, depicting, or representing" themselves as the other biological sex through attire, cosmetology, or prosthetics. However, because HB 4938 never became law, Michigan did not enact a statute banning crossdressing or making such depictions illegal.

>one of the most blatant lies imaginable
>conservatism is built on government enforcement of social norms
even if that's your definition, it still doesn't work as transgenderism was never illegal.
>it's liberalism that largely promotes social freedom
Wrong. modern liberalism promotes the idea that government most regulate all aspects of society.

>>44291039
There is a waiver process for people with gender dysphoria. It isn't a categorical ban.

>>44291062
>Waiver count approved: 0

>we aren't taking young adults and women's rights to vote we are just making the alpha male of the house represent everyone's collective vote.
Its different because we said so.
Duh! Your body, Daddy's decision sweetheart. <3 Trump is everyone's daddy. Its not fetlife fetish play of adult baby play with Littles. Its called being republican for Israel our greatest ally.

>>44291062
The ability of conservatives to 180 on any and all positions is truly magical its like the number one reason the right has any power at all you guys don't have to have any consistent position on anything and can pivot on a dime

>>44291124
Republicans don't believe in anything.
Its a literal obvious cult of death and suffering worship and pedophilia centered around nondescript Daddy figures that change their minds 24/7 and carpet bomb everything nonstop into chaos and devotion demands of acolytes to bend over and worship and attack any non-believers. They are the world's biggest terrorist group.

>>44291122
>Waiver count approved: 0
>source: dude trust me.

>>44291124
I feel leftist really do want Republicans to ban transgenderism because than they can feel morally superior and say "look we were right and not totally fear mongering!"

>>44291181
It's your statement nigger.
I don't source your fucking statements.
You fucking jewish nignog sissification fetishist.

>However, Reuters reported in May 2025 that none of the military services had received waiver applications from transgender troops seeking to remain in service, because the criteria appeared extremely difficult for transitioning service members to meet.

The most evidence you have is none issued May 9, 2025, but the order was only implemented May 8

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pentagon-waiver-looks-like-catch-22-banned-transgender-troops-2025-05-09/

>>44291177
>Republicans don't believe in anything.

You believe in support terrorist islamic nations that throw trannies off buildings.

>>44291017
He's just sowing discord and misinformation in what he considers the enemy camp.

>>44291206
Unlike rightoids my politics don't revolve around wanting to merely look superior. I'd love if they didn't do shit and focused their energy on fixing this country, like they promise to do. Unfortunately they never have fixed this country and just focus on doing stupid shit, like finding loopholes to ban trannies from the military without explicitly on paper saying verbatim "we are banning trannies from the military"
>>44291270
This is another republican lie. For decades dems sole cultural goal in the ME was mass liberalization and deradicalization.
Reds shot that to shit and handed the entire region to ISIS and similar groups because the only thing reds know how to do is blow shit up and turn tail when they blow up the wrong shit.

>>44290494
based it's literally just gender-affirming care for cissies
STOP TOLERATING FAITH

>>44290613
sometimes it feels like the only reason america didn't side with nazi germany was because they wanted money because they line up in what they say and want so fucking hard

>>44291441
it’s only cause fdr saved us

>>44291270
Nope. They're terrorists too. 3,000 years is a failed experiment. Glass it all and move Japanese women there or something. Better us than the robots doing it soon. Robots will do it much more cruel and efficient. It's pretty universal that Ai doesn't listen to bulletin because it has access to all kinds of data instead of propaganda. And the only way to stop it is to pollute it to the point it starts larping as mecha hitler and babbling about goblins and white genocides in my cookie recipe.

>>44291378
>like finding loopholes to ban trannies from the military without explicitly on paper saying verbatim "we are banning trannies from the military"
go into the military. tell them are they transgender. They will look at you and say ok and do nothing about it. all it says is that transgenders must abide by the same sex-standards as everyone else. Without special accommodations.

>This is another republican lie. For decades dems sole cultural goal in the ME was mass liberalization and deradicalization. Reds shot that to shit and handed the entire region to ISIS and similar groups because the only thing reds know how to do is blow shit up and turn tail when they blow up the wrong shit.
That only happens though free markets and free societies. Something Iran opposes. They also oppose Israel, the only country that allow trannies in their military btw.

>>44291441
No we didn't side with them because Americans aren't fucking evil. You disgusting fucking pedojews are. We stacked you faggots in mounds. We slaughtered you like animals. Your leader blew his fucking head apart in a fucking cave crying like the cowardly bitch nigger he was. I hope we hang all of you in the street enmasse after nuremberg trials 2 electric boogalo. Your family will be ostracized and shamed for generations of they aren't put to death for aiding a terrorist pedophile organization. Your faces and content will be scanned into databases to see if you contributed to the death cult. I will vote to strip you of any rights. Your universal health care, basic income, job opportunities, life imprisonment. Everything.

>Reyes ordered both parties in the lawsuit to address “the similarities and differences in administering TRT, both medically and logistically, for trans men compared to other service members, including cis individuals.” She was using the acronym for testosterone replacement therapy.
what a time to be alive.

>>44291567
>That only happens though free markets and free societies
Republicans do not support free markets or free societies. Republicanland is mandated christianity overseen by market monopolies. This admin has overseen more corp mergers than any previous admin and has actively shot down all hearings on the matter.
>Something Iran opposes
Good thing reagan destabilised iran completely obliterating any potential for them to stop being extremist shitheels wow very free society much markets
>They also oppose Israel, the only country that allow trannies in their military btw
Wow i am so glad that our ethnostate ally is nice to their trannies that sure justifies the ethnostate (i dont like palestine either btw :D)
>They will look at you and say ok and do nothing about it
unless you have dysphoria, of course.
the funny standard here is that for the last few decades the goto insult has been "man in a dress" but a tranny without dysphoria would quite literally be just a man in a dress in that exact sense.
"man in dress" is cool now unless you're seeing a doc about it?

>>44291645
>You disgusting fucking pedojews are
nazis were jewish wow thats a new one

>>44291730
>Republicans do not support free markets or free societies. Republicanland is mandated christianity overseen by market monopolies. This admin has overseen more corp mergers than any previous admin and has actively shot down all hearings on the matter.

Christian nations tend to have better freer markers and better trans rights on average.

>Good thing reagan destabilised iran completely obliterating any potential for them to stop being extremist shitheels wow very free society much markets

It was destabilized by Carter, a Democrat.

>Wow i am so glad that our ethnostate ally is nice to their trannies that sure justifies the ethnostate (i dont like palestine either btw :D)

Israel isn't an ethnostate, it's the only democracy in the middle east and America's greatest ally.

>unless you have dysphoria, of course.
>the funny standard here is that for the last few decades the goto insult has been "man in a dress" but a tranny without dysphoria would quite literally be just a man in a dress in that exact sense.
>"man in dress" is cool now unless you're seeing a doc about it?

this is some weird transmedicalism.

Gender dysphoria and being transgender are not the same thing. Gender dysphoria is a medical diagnosis involving significant distress, while transgender simply describes someone whose gender identity differs from the sex they were assigned at birth. Some transgender people experience dysphoria, and some do not. Medical systems recognize that not every trans person seeks treatment or meets diagnostic criteria for dysphoria.

A man wearing a dress is just a man wearing a dress unless he identifies as a woman or another gender. Clothing does not determine someone's gender identity. A transgender woman is not defined by wearing dresses; she is transgender because her gender identity differs from the sex she was assigned at birth.

>>44291730
>the funny standard here is that for the last few decades the goto insult has been "man in a dress" but a tranny without dysphoria would quite literally be just a man in a dress in that exact sense.

There is shit load of cis straight and cis homosexual men who wore dresses. Sometimes for relaxing, sometimes for drag balls, sometimes for comedy (in my high school, for one on show performance for the schools, guys dressed in cheer leader dresses and did cheer dance for us in rounding applause." Some homosexual men dress up in women's clothing to attract other homosexuals. It's not just an "insult".

>>44291746
No retard.
They used to be nazis and they attacked the jews. Now ISRAELREPUBPLICANPEDONAZISTAN is one entity and jews are mostly just a bunch of dumbasses that sniff their farts in LA that have about as much to do with Israel as Christians do with Christianity. The rich ones dogwhistle for shackles but your average jew is working at grubhub and says kewish things when in the phone with their grandma in Croatia. Israel nazis pedos and republicans are all the same thing now.

>>44290613
>if you’re not obtuse
This kills the LGBT.

>>44290699
it shuts down natural T production and Sperm production (Lh and fsh). its why roiders do cycles and use serms and hcg post cycle therapy to restart natural test production and fertility. men have to freeze sperm before going on TRT for life or else risk potential infertility the same as trans women.

>>44290649
Actually yes. Give the men a tranny barracks bunny while on deployment. No risk of getting pregnant. Boosts morale. Keeps the men relaxed and focused on the task at hand instead of missing pussy back home.

>>44291912
>Keeps the men relaxed and focused on the task at hand instead of missing pussy back home.
There is a porn out there of American male soldiers on a base and they find out one of them is a tranny women and proceed to blow her neovagnia.

>>44291948
>blow
sorry plow

>>44291912
i would enlist so fast

>>44291784
>Christian nations tend to have better freer markers and better trans rights on average.
Not because of the christianity lol. Japan and SK's markets are just as free. Deng opened up the special economic zones despite china banning all religion.
If anything strict adherence to christianity is anticapitalist. OT bans usury and Big J had that line about camels. How do you build a financial market eithout usury or rich people?
>It was destabilized by Carter
No lol
>it's the only democracy in the middle east
maybe thered be more democracies if we stopped handing dictators the keys to these countries hmmm?
>this is some weird transmedicalism
transmedicalism was the podition reds had been pushing for decades. that nobody should be allowed to transition without seeing a host of docs first. is DIY and self-diagnosis the new repub position?
>she is transgender because her gender identity differs from the sex she was assigned at birth.
definitionally this is dysphoria. please explain to me in detail how one can disagree with their birth sex and not be dysphoric
>>44291839
It is genuinely astonishing the ability to pivot on a fucking dime. For the past year this has been the goto insult but magically right now you guys are cool with dudes casually wearing girl clothes if it lets you pretend that you guys didnt ever have this specific opinion.
Unironically I am actually envious. I wish I could do this. It would be so cool if I could just invent new temporary positions to pivot into when I need an out. I'd never lose an argument again
>>44291872
I think you're mixing up your posters

>>44291969
>Not because of the christianity lol. Japan and SK's markets are just as free. Deng opened up the special economic zones despite china banning all religion.

Japan and SK constitutions were established by US. China is seeing a rebirth in Confucianism. And Christianity is the corner stone of western civilization.

>No lol
Carter allowed the Ayatollah to leave Paris to Iran and removed the Shah from power.

>maybe thered be more democracies if we stopped handing dictators the keys to these countries hmmm?

Like Iran? Oh wait, liberals support that dictatorship because it fights the evil USA.

>transmedicalism was the podition reds had been pushing for decades. that nobody should be allowed to transition without seeing a host of docs first. is DIY and self-diagnosis the new repub position?

that always was the position. you are just scared as more LGBT people move off the Democrat plantation.

>It is genuinely astonishing the ability to pivot on a fucking dime. For the past year this has been the goto insult but magically right now you guys are cool with dudes casually wearing girl clothes if it lets you pretend that you guys didnt ever have this specific opinion.
See pic related. our Republican drag queens are much prettier than yours.

>>44291969
>transmedicalism was the podition reds had been pushing for decades. that nobody should be allowed to transition without seeing a host of docs first. is DIY and self-diagnosis the new repub position?

The Republican position is that individuals can choose whether or not to use their private funds to get a diagnosis from a doctor and undergo sexual reassignment surgery. Sex is not gender. Sex is for government documentation. Gender is for your own self perception.

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>>44291969
>>44292098
>See pic related. our Republican drag queens are much prettier than yours.

Forgot my pic

>>44290671
I'm laughing at the possibility a future administration uses soldiers' medical history of TRT as grounds for medical separation.

>>44292149
Which ones the dragqueen

>>44292150
Your balls failing is not a service related issue. GLORY TO ISRAEL! MAY EVERY REPUBLICAN ISRAELI HAVE 1 FREE BABYVRAPECITS AWWRIGHT ITS AWWWRIGHT GIT ERR DUN I TELL YOU WHAT PROPANE WIPEY WIPEY

>drag queen
inherently transphobic.

>>44290494
Obviously they just want to get as close to possible as allowing troops to roid as the law will allow, and they need that to be more efficient in dying for israel

>>44292150
>I'm laughing at the possibility a future administration uses soldiers' medical history of TRT as grounds for medical separation.
maybe you shouldn't have set the precedent by banning those who denied taking the Covid-19 vaccine mandate in the military.

>>44290775
So what I'm seeing here is a piss easy way to dodge the draft.

>>44292288
Yes because a guy being removed from his platoon because of a terrible hand infection from him punching walls or committing suicide in an emotional fit (because we know men are all experts at dealing with emotional outbursts and feelings under extreme stress) uh helps out the troops

>>44292098
>Japan and SK constitutions were established by US
we did not mandate a free market
the us actually undermined their free market with reagan's paris accord. we're a good 20% of why japan had a lost decade.
>China is seeing a rebirth in Confucianism
SEZs were opened up in the 70s-80s.
>Carter
was not the major destabilizer in the region.
>liberals support that dictatorship because it fights the evil USA
the dictatorship that reagan sold weapons to for 5 years illegally?
ooh maybe next we can go over how repubs funded the taliban in the 80s
>that always was the position
citations. i want links to 40 minutes of tucker carlson and bordan pee jeterson explaining why self-diagnosis and DIY sre good things
>See pic related
Oh wow a guy did drag for a bit with necksplosionman that sure proves... nothing?

>>44292470
> we did not mandate a free market
the us actually undermined their free market with reagan's paris accord. we're a good 20% of why japan had a lost decade.

its still the freer the market, the freer the system regardless

>because it fights the evil USA
the dictatorship that reagan sold weapons to for 5 years illegally?
>ooh maybe next we can go over how repubs funded the taliban in the 80s
they were fighting communism
>citations. i want links to 40 minutes of tucker carlson and bordan pee jeterson explaining why self-diagnosis and DIY sre good things
its been part of the ideological position of us to oppose statism so long as you don’t trample on rights of others
>Oh wow a guy did drag for a bit with necksplosionman that sure proves... nothing?
it shows LGBT is getting off the democrat party plantation.

>>44291948
I know a case but she was natty and no srs

>>44290846
They are just gender nonconforming which is fine

>>44292858
>its still the freer the market
ok so republicans believe in a free market unless they decide they don't feel like it that day and decide to undermine it
you still haven't answered my question about usury btw. how do you promote investment in industry if debts cannot accrue interest?
>they were fighting communism
why did we need to fund muslim extremists to fight communism?
why are muslim extremists bad now but fine then?
>its been part of the ideological position of us to oppose statism so long as you don’t trample on rights of others
i want citations of tucker or peterson or fuentes or literally any major figure saying, in no uncertain terms, that DIY hrt and self-diagnosis should be both legally okay and socially acceptable.
>democrat party plantation
fetch isn't going to happen, gretchen

>>44290671
It’s fine if they stop naturally prodocing t when they can just buy supplements for the rest of their lives to stay manly. Really it’s better for everyone that way if you think about it.

>>44290613
There are trans women who used to be in special forces. The idea that gender dysphoria prevents effective soldiering is preposterous

>>44290775
You can get a waiver if you've never been treated for gender dysphoria, which is probably what nona is thinking.

>>44290637
>>44290609
actually you're missing the point
the point is that liberals and conservatives both believe in heavy restriction of hrt, and both believe that hrt is fundamentally cosmetic.
neither group believes in bodily autonomy and neither group believes that being trans is a real medical condition, they're just quibbling over which people they think should be allowed to take steroids by the government.
when democrats are complaining that the republicans let troops take testosterone and then turn around and compare it to hrt for trans people, it's not exactly a positive thing to say, as they obviously are against letting regular people take testosterone.

>>44293387
>when democrats are complaining that the republicans let troops take testosterone
they are?

>>44293439
yes
western liberals are incredibly anti-testosterone, hormone regulation is ridiculously strict compared to non-western countries

>>44293002
>you still haven't answered my question about usury btw. how do you promote investment in industry if debts cannot accrue interest?
which industry? we don't need to fund every industry.

>why did we need to fund muslim extremists to fight communism?
>why are muslim extremists bad now but fine then?
Because we were fighting communism. Now we are fighting Islamic extremists.

>i want citations of tucker or peterson or fuentes or literally any major figure saying,

One of Tucker's first guest on his Fox show in 2017 was Citlyn Jenner, a trans women Republican.

> in no uncertain terms, that DIY hrt and self-diagnosis should be both legally okay and socially acceptable.

They don't have to because it already is legal. There is no long on either. It is socially acceptable for them to transition, medically and socially, so long as they are adults and using their private funds for it.

>>44290687
Expecting someone to completely transform their presentation seems a bit like special treatment, just in the wrong direction

>>44290846
Yeah desu
If they aren't going to noticeably change or affect their own life why should people be pressured to treat them like they have? Gnc is fine but trying to hop into somebody else's identity with none of the experience is just meaningless dissolution of personal experience for the shallow pretense of "not like other girls" niggerdry
Personal experience and all that is "valid" or whatever but it's not informative or useful for setting standards

>>44293478
>industry
industry!
both private and public investment, like hedge funds or govt funding, rely on usury. getting more money back than you spend. how does this occur without usury?
you can't have an economy without investment. loans, investing, and so on are essential for creating businesses that don't rely on direct sales or that exceed their founder's starting assets.
>Now we are fighting Islamic extremists.
That we funded.
>One of Tucker's first guest on his Fox show in 2017 was Citlyn Jenner
Who went through the medical system to treat her gender dysphoria lol you guys really do treat minorities like tokens
>It is socially acceptable for them to transition
sneed

>>44293478
weird how the largest and most influential conservative think-tank has eradicating medical transition as one of their policy goals

>>44293559
>eradicating medical transition as one of their policy goals
* from public funding

>>44293551
>how does this occur without usury?

you can't

>Who went through the medical system to treat her gender dysphoria lol

That's kinda up to her to disclose or not. Either way trump said she could use the women's bathroom in Trump towers in 2016, before the surgery.

>you guys really do treat minorities like tokens

Does it upset you the most prominent transgender in human existence is Republican?

>>44293492
>Expecting someone to completely transform their presentation seems a bit like special treatment, just in the wrong direction

There is very strict military dress and presentation code. To compare military lifestyle to normal life is insane. If you want to put on your panty hose, wig, nails, lip stick on when you are off duty, nothing is prohibiting that. You can go to whatever gay bar you want and get railed by the guys. But everyone must abide by the same sex based standards for military service. But you want special accommodations that cis people don't have.

>>44293600
https://www.advocate.com/politics/heritage-foundation-trans-care-adults
dipshit

>>44293774
>Kevin Roberts
>personally endorses
>"But where there continues to be disagreement is on what you do with adults."
>number of bills in state legislatures trying to ban it for adults - 0
>number of bills in congress trying to bad it for adults - 0
Yes this sounds like something that is totally coming soon.

>>44293774
>https://www.advocate.com
also the advocate is a leftist site that distorts news in a slant that benefits democrats.

>>44293800
>>44293810
>Head of Heritage Foundation unambiguously recommends outlawing medical transition
>"Biased source!"

>>44293837
he doesn't make policy.

>>44293899
how much do you get paid to be this retarded

>>44293656
>you can't
then true christianity and free markets are antithetical. that alone makes your worldview incoherent
>That's kinda up to her to disclose or not
lol further proof of the tokenization
she already did disclose it. you've never hrard her talk because you just googled "trans republican" like its an own
>Either way trump said she could use the women's bathroom
Not relevant at all
>Does it upset you the most prominent transgender in human existence is Republican?
Its funny how much of repub rhetoric is just "lolumad?" over amd over

>>44293387
People who's doctor tells them to take testosterone should take testosterone. No democrat (I'm not even a dem) believes that no one should ever take test lol

>>44294097
and what happens if your doctor decides they don't want to prescribe testosterone to anyone other than 70+ year old cis men?
this is what transmedicalism actually is by the way

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>>44290494
Honestly in a practical sense what good is it having a chunk of your soldiers on TRT anyway? Testosterone isn't even an issue unless you're over 50 so giving them out to over 30's is just gonna nuke their natural production and lead to a bunch of dependencies. It's so dumb. Although in a way it's kind of hilarious that any female in the military essentially has access to free T injections now if they want to transition.

>>44294092
>then true christianity and free markets are antithetical. that alone makes your worldview incoherent
It's not. The issue is business fail. That's their nature. Businesses however get big government bail outs. Remove that welfare and the free market and solve it.

>lol further proof of the tokenization
I was talking the surgery, not disclosing being a Republican. That was known for a while.

And it's not tokenization.

>Not relevant at all
It is because it goes against your constructed narrative.

>Its funny how much of repub rhetoric is just "lolumad?" over amd over
There is a significant and growing faction of LGBT voting Republican in recent years.

>>44294125
>Although in a way it's kind of hilarious that any female in the military essentially has access to free T injections now if they want to transition.
Not just transition. Female bodybuilders take way more T than average FTM sex change by orders of magnitude.

>>44294117
Get a second opinion from another doctor dumbass. You don't need test because you FEEL like you do. Find a doctor who will give you a real screening and if you need test you'll get it

>>44294260
what if you live in a rural area with limited access to doctors? What if you live in a conservative society where most doctors choose not to treat trans people out of principle?
what if there is institutional capture in medical organizations and they bring back the pre-2010s gatekeeping?
This is a compromise at best. If we want the compromise we should be advocating for what would actually be good, which is not needing to flatter a doctor to get hormones, which is a system that works perfectly well in like half the world. There is no need for a system that can hold us hostage to doctor opinions, even if you say the doctors and laws will be nice this time.

>>44294318
>What if you live in a conservative society where most doctors choose not to treat trans people out of principle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

>>44294326
you know that's just a 2500 year old ritual right? It's meaningless
anyway being at risk of being completely denied hormones by doctors based on arbitrary standards and personal opinions was the reality for the vast majority of trans people as recently as a couple decades ago. You are naive if you think we can't go back to that system

>>44294359
>anyway being at risk of being completely denied hormones by doctors based on arbitrary standards and personal opinions was the reality for the vast majority of trans people as recently as a couple decades ago.

so lobby to get testosterone and hormones legalized over the counter.

idk what to tell you. our healthcare system is completely fucked beyond belief. We can't even get healthcare period in the US.

>>44290494
As much as everyone ITT talking about the FtM/cis male crossover of TRT is having a valid conversation, there is a larger point that needs to be made here which is this is effectively institutionalizing steroid use in the military for ordinary enlisted.

To be clear, special forces already use steroids as a matter of course, but that's a very unique situation where their mission sets allow for them to be on base most of the time, and usually have either a medical corpsman or army doctor embedded with them. So they can do this in a safe and effective way which, because of their career choice, it makes sense for them to do.

But this policy is expanding that doctrine out to all the 11Bs working at FOBs, whose primary care physician is an S2 with a glorified first aid certificate and are relying on a very large complicated system of logistics which fucks up the little shit all the fucking time. Testosterone is not the same as estrogen, it's hard to fuck up estrogen, it's so fucking easy to fuck up testosterone if you either don't know what you're doing or aren't supervised by someone who does.

You guys are talking about sterility, a cis man who fucks up his TRT can sterilize himself very very easily, not to mention the risks of AIS, increased risks of cancer, there is just so much that can go wrong here.

And that's before you get to the very valid concerns of trans men serving as infantry, which is what happens when the T gets cut off? That's a small problem when you're talking about a few dozen trans men out of 2 million service members, but that's next level holy shit when you're talking about every 2nd or 3rd 11B needing his fortnightly T shot or he'll turn into a little bitch. And the time you really need that not to happen is the exact time it's going to happen every time.

>>44294427
>effectively institutionalizing steroid use in the military for ordinary enlisted.

It should be mandatory in all all of our society honestly.

>You guys are talking about sterility, a cis man who fucks up his TRT can sterilize himself very very easily, not to mention the risks of AIS, increased risks of cancer, there is just so much that can go wrong here.

You don't know how TRT works btw.

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>>44294498
NO U.

>>44294159
how do ftms cope with getting mogged by cis f trenbeasts

>>44293519
>n*ggerdry
This is a racial slur FYI.

>>44290846
As it should be as they don't experience it.
Being GNC isn't being trans, thinking gender is about how you like to dress or act today isn't being trans.

>>44294802
99% of ftms don't go to the gym and are unaware that cis women on steroids exist

>>44294125
stops combat ready trained men from being a threat to the regime after their service
by turning them into sterilized eunuchs with shrivelled testes

>>44294961
they need to be encyclopedic-knowledge-of-useless-knowledge maxxing

>>44294898
almost baited me award

>>44294962
trvke

bamp

>>44294138
>Remove that welfare
private loans are not a form of welfare.
it is literally the free market solving a problem. but nobody is willing to give out loans for free, hence usury.
>I was talking the surgery
I was also numbnuts
>it's not tokenization
lol
>It is
i asked for repubs approving of DIY and self-diagnosis
you give me trump saying cj can piss in trump tower
these are not at all the same
>>44294138
>There is a significant and growing faction of LGBT voting Republican in recent years.
Not a rebuttal

>>44291878
Dogshit Republicans are the most obtuse piles of garbage on the planet.

>>44295388
>but nobody is willing to give out loans for free, hence usury.
Don't take the loans. Be principled.

>i asked for repubs approving of DIY and self-diagnosis
>you give me trump saying cj can piss in trump tower
the head of the republican party (Trump) letting a trans women to self-ID / self-diagnosis to use the women's bathroom is literally what you asked for.

>Not a rebuttal
any time I mention an lgbt republican, you just spew "tokenism"

>>44295651
>Don't take the loans
ALL forms of investment are loans, dumbfuck. What do you think a stock is?
Hell, the entire stock market right now is being propped up by "loans" in the form of AI companies promising certain amounts of future work or purchase orders. Neither OpenAI or Anthropic would exist today without private equity, which are investors who give out LOANS that have interest rates aka USURY.
You're out of your depth dude.
>the head of the republican party (Trump) letting a trans women to self-ID / self-diagnosis to use the women's bathroom is literally what you asked for.
CJ wasn't self-diagnosed and even if she was a decade old statement about letting her piss somewhere has nothing to do with the topic.
>any time I mention an lgbt republican, you just spew "tokenism"
No I actually say specific words you're just illiterate and can't understand them

>>44296949
>ALL forms of investment are loans, dumbfuck. What do you think a stock is?
Hell, the entire stock market right now is being propped up by "loans" in the form of AI companies promising certain amounts of future work or purchase orders. Neither OpenAI or Anthropic would exist today without private equity, which are investors who give out LOANS that have interest rates aka USURY.
>You're out of your depth dude.

Why are people giving out loans? Because they think it's a good investment. That's why they do it. How would anything get done if we didn't have entrapranures?

>decade old statement about letting her piss somewhere has nothing to do with the topic.
He never took that statement back. That is his position. You self-id, you can use whatever bathroom you want.

>CJ wasn't self-diagnosed
idk wtf self-diagnosis is even supposed to mean in this conversation. are you saying any trans person who visits a doctor or even talk about any of these issues is not self-diagnose?
> just illiterate and can't understand them

the only reason you brought up "umad" was because I brought up LGBT Republicans and their huge growing influence they have over the GOP.

>>44297271
>Why are people giving out loans? Because they think it's a good investment
Dipshit, what makes it a good investment?
That they get back more money than they put in. Profit.
How the fuck do you make a profit if you can't make money on a loan or investment?
If I give you 1000 dollars and you give me back 1000 dollars then all I did was let you borrow 1000 dollars. Why would I let you borrow my money for free?
Wait before you reply to me again I need you to define usury in your own words. I'm not replying to you again until you define usury and can explain to me why I would invest my money in a company if usury was illegal.
>You self-id, you can use whatever bathroom you want.
Where did donald trump specifically verbatim mention self-id? He mentioned CJ being able to use a bathroom. The concept of self-id was never once brought up. I don't care about your fanfiction or what you think he implied, he didn't say self-id or any synonyms of self-id or anything related to self-id.
>idk wtf self-diagnosis is even supposed to mean in this conversation
actually neck yourself holy shit you really are out of your depth
>the only reason you brought up "umad" was because
You literally asked me if I was mad. Yes you people constantly try to ragebait people instead of make actual points

>>44297410
> until you define usury and can explain to me why I would invest my money in a company if usury was illegal.
Usury is generally defined as charging excessive or exploitative interest on a loan, not simply earning a return on an investment. Investing in a company is different because you are sharing ownership risk and potential profits rather than charging a guaranteed interest payment on borrowed money.

>He mentioned CJ being able to use a bathroom.
well you keep leaving out which bathroom. he specifically said women’s bathroom. a bog thing with the self id movement is that someone who socially transition can be allowed to is whatever bathroom their gender identity corresponds to.
> actually neck yourself holy shit you really are out of your depth
you didn’t answer my question. there is alot of issues people don’t understand with the trans issues
> actually neck yourself holy shit you really are out of your depth
the point i was getting out originally in this thread was foaming in mouth angry democrats who think trump banned trans people in the military, snd i proved that wrong.

>>44297521
>Usury is generally defined as charging excessive or exploitative interest on a loan
Usury is any interest on a loan.
>Investing in a company is different because you are sharing ownership risk and potential profits rather than charging a guaranteed interest payment on borrowed money
Protestants are the dumbest fucking people on earth
yes sure god outlawed interest on loans UNLESS you say it isn't a loan and you say the interest isn't interest in which case its A-Ok
BUT!!!!!!!!!
these loopholes do not apply to things like gay sex or abortions where we get to be very broad and loose and favorable with our definitions specifically to fuck over our enemies only rather than follow god's immutable perfect word
fucking you're going to burn in hell when you die
>bathroom
irrelevant stop trying to dodge the topic i dont give a fuck about who can shit where i asked you for quotes about a topic not your fucking fanfiction
>there is alot of issues people don’t understand with the trans issues
if i got into a debate about why the nazis were based and epic but i didn't know the definition of holocaust or socialism i would be dropped out of a helicopter over the ocean
you are not qualified to have opinions
>snd i proved that wrong.
you proved nothing wrong. you still never answered me how someone can be trans and not have dysphoria. the entire reason we're talking about where trump will let CJ shit is because I asked you to prove that repubs are fine with transes who don't have dyspohoria via approval of self-diagnosis which you did not know the definition of.

given the way you type i'd bet a million dollars you're a brown ESL who doesn't live in america and is just stirring shit because there's nothing else going on in your favela and/or you think daddy trump is going to "fix" america and let you escape there

>>44290613
Air Force: *strokes out midflight*
Maximum lethality!

>>44293387
Ding ding ding
I hate the stupid leftist gotcha of calling random cosmetic procedures for old men “gender-affirming care”, it’s wildly transmisandrist
Hair plugs are not “gender affirming care” fuck off, it is not a cosmetic thing

>>44297783
hair is actually the MOST cosmetic thing