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literally my dream

>>44400849
Why not chase your dream, Nona?

>>44400796
I hate that I'd be super into this but I'm scared it would feel too real for a moment and remind me of the time I was actually raped :c

>>44400796

Something something steak too juicy, lobster too buttery

Although in all seriousness I do get what you mean OP. I kinda fear when I do this fantasy or roleplay with my gf if I'm making a mockery out of like real rape and like the trauma actual assault victims feel.

Although idk, I feel like at the same time it's not really that out of the ordinary. I feel like women expressing their sexuality, especially trans women's sexuality is treated as inherently amoral and devaluing of one's femininity. So oftentimes for many women it feels like forced submission and dubious consent is the only way to express one's sexuality without devaluing their own womanhood. If anything this sounds pretty fembrained to only feel comfortable having sex when it's forced. It feels gender affirming as terrible as that is to say.

I'd also argue there's a lot of sexual euphoria to be had in the complete and total degradation of consent. It feels somewhat relaxing to know someone else is making all the decisions, commanding the sexual experience, doing what you like and all you have to do is take it

I think you should continue to mull over why exactly you desire this. However I'd argue it's not really that out of the ordinary to have this kink.

this unironically sounds like my fantasy. I love my gf but it is rough that both of us are really just switchy bottoms because it does make me kind of afraid to bring up that I want her to do this to me. I don't even want to orgasm, I just want her to use me like the slut I am without my permission.

>>44400796
>I feel pretty guilty for being into this stuff
But why?
If you both like it and enjoy it, then just carry on.
You don't need to justify yourself in front of anyone. Least of all anons on the mongolian basket weaving forum.
>he just holds me down and fucks me anyways
Uhm... yes? Though we sometimes use handcuffs too. The police type ones not the cringe pink fluffy types.
>making me call myself a tranny whore
Heh, to each her own. I prefer being called a failed faggot, desu.
>Is it wrong
It's wrong if you don't consent or if any of you doesn't enjoy it.
>or malebrained to be extremely turned on by this stuff?
Who the hell cares?
I don't think it is specifically 'malebrained' tho. My cis women friends are turned on by things that make my most perverted thoughts seem tame by comparison.
Unironically I think it's pretty normal straight woman sexuality to want to be lovingly dominated by the man you love. Yes, we (me, you and others) probably frame it a little bit differently than cis women but not by much.
>or being told what toy to use on myself for his amusement after he cums in me
Heh, we tried that but it didn't work out. As soon as I get close(r) to orgasming he gets hard so either I want to blow him or he wants another round.
>best orgasms ever have been while submitting to him fully
that's how it should work, yes.

t. srsoid since 2018

>>44400796
>I feel pretty guilty for being into this stuff
Oh for fuck's sake, just kill this brainworm already, will ya?
I'm an unironic trannymaxxer and not even srsoid (yet) and I'm into most of this stuff. It's fun, it's hot and it's (y)our fun. Why make it so complicated?!

>>44400796
i think it's normal for a girl to be aroused by following a boy's commands
>free use agreement
literally every straight couple has one they just call it normal sex not a special thing

>>44400947
>I kinda fear when I do this fantasy or roleplay with my gf if I'm making a mockery out of like real rape and like the trauma actual assault victims feel.
Yeah, this kinda gets to the root of why I feel weird for liking it so much.
>I think you should continue to mull over why exactly you desire this.
I really do not know why tbhon...

>>44400966
>I prefer being called a failed faggot, desu.
I kind of like being reminded sometimes during sex that I used to be male once. In a weird way it's almost praise for all the effort and pain I went through to get to this point? He's tried encouraging me to call myself a tranny during sex too, but I'm not brave enough yet for that level of degradation...
>that's how it should work, yes.
Is it caused by physiology or something? These desires got a lot stronger after SRS. Like my body realizes it has to be receptive now...

>>44401039
>Why make it so complicated?!
Cause it feels a little insulting to people who've actually been raped.

>>44401180
it's pretty normal for people who aren't sexually repressed zoomers

>>44400796
wtf nona you’re lucky

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>>44400796
I want this so bad but from the BF's perspective. Unfortunately I'm a disgusting transbian and won't find anyone else into this.

>>44402569
Aren't most transbians turbo-bottoms? Seems like you should be spoiled for options if you're a top.

>>44400796
please write some smut based on your experience this is so hot

>>44400796
Based thread, blessed thread.
> Is it wrong and/or malebrained to be extremely turned on by this stuff?
Retard, it's as fembrained as possible. Definitely not wrong. Your guilt - that's wrong. Let it go.
There is no thing more amusing than taking something that belongs to you by force, especially if that thing doesn't want it.

>>44402902
> Aren't most transbians turbo-bottoms?
Yes they are. Also cis women. They just have guilt and unreflected thoughts about it. That's the problem.

>>44402902
Yes, but not from the "functional adult with a healthily expressed kink" angle like OP. They're mentally broken puppyplay weirdos that have more in common with needing to be hosed off in the front yard than with a genuine companion you let sleep on the bed.

>>44402978
>Also cis women. They just have guilt and unreflected thoughts about it. That's the problem.
Maybe? I don't get any interest in what I want out of a sexual relationship, and it doesn't help that I'm not into hookups. I don't really put myself out there anymore because women seem scared of me and it actually feels bad because I'm only into the consensual kind of non-consensual sex.

>>44403004
> Maybe?
LoL look at fanfics. They want it so much. They just fear it because there are literally TONS of assholes who will use it in a wrong way. If you degrade - you also praise and care properly about your little cute thing. And also there are tons of subhuman "male" pussies that are too soft for this.

>>44402978
>There is no thing more amusing than taking something that belongs to you by force, especially if that thing doesn't want it.
Does my BF really think this about me now?

>>44403018
In the end a woman who unreflected those thoughts accidentally gets along with a retarded abuser and gets traumatized cuz no care and no understanding what she wants in relationships.
>>44403023
He? I don't know, probably yes. Me? Yeah, I think like that.

>>44400796
>Is it wrong and/or malebrained to be extremely turned on by this stuff?
Very fembrained actually.

If you're genuinely into this, I wish you'd get raped by an immigrant to death :)

>>44403157
Why?

>>44403158
If you ask why, then you need to be raped at least twice with a permanent damage to your body.

>>44403157
Imagine not knowing the difference...
>>44403158
Subhumans arrived, it wants it too, but will never get it.

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>>44403018
>They just fear it because there are literally TONS of assholes who will use it in a wrong way. If you degrade - you also praise and care properly about your little cute thing.
Well yeah, I wouldn't want to own her if I didn't like her in at least *some* genuine ways. I think it was the "spousal rapeplay" part of OP that really set me off, because I basically think of her in those moments like she really is my property, and I'm taking my right to enjoy her to the fullest even if I have to use force. I feel like an insatiable animal sometimes, yknow? I want to consume her when I feel that way, and it doesn't matter what she wants elsewhere, she's mine and I get to satisfy my wants with her. Of course I'm going to cherish someone who lets me have those wants fulfilled when it's over.
...fuck I'm making myself horny just talking like this.

>>44403018
Just because I’m too soft to treat someone like that doesn’t mean I’m subhuman :(
I just want a cute relationship where I can love someone not to hurt someone or make them feel bad

>>44403202
>loves rape
>calls me a subhuman

just kys nigger

>>44403332
>tranny
>calls others subhuman slurs

>>44403310
>I just want a cute relationship where I can love someone
Anon, I'm gonna have to give you a hard life lesson; loving someone is about acknowledging and accommodating what THEY want. If you love them, and they want to have you rape them and hit them, then if you can't find the part *of you* that accepts that part *of them* and will go along with it, then you can't truly love them. Just because they're into rough sex doesn't mean that any desire you have for vanilla sex is off the table, and it doesn't mean you can't be sweet to them outside of the bedroom. It just means that when they have sexual needs, it's your responsibility as their lover to help meet them, or let them find someone who will.
You might think ill of this because it sounds like being replaced or forced into something YOU don't want to do, but that's only a misunderstanding of the freedom you also have to split and find someone on your same level. If you can't leave because of basic incompatibility like that, then you're not in love you're just codependent and can't regulate yourself without the narrative you built of the other person in your head as a reference point. You really do need to love yourself before you can love someone else, and if you're looking for a relationship while thirsting for someone to love you for you, then it's always going to go sour eventually because you're trying to shape the other person into something they're not, while being unwilling to be shaped yourself.
You can find the piece that fits with you if you're honest enough. Don't sand yourself down for others, and definitely don't sand others down for yourself, and I'll believe you can find someone too.

>>44403004
maybe you should be looking for bi tranners instead of puppy freaks

>>44403359
Too much words to normalize being a monkey lover. Listen, decent people want cuddles, kisses and being nice, niggers want rape. Also, you forgot to mention that these "people" will not tolerate you being soft and will leave you for someone who satisfies their mental illnesses better. If you dare to have your own kinks that aren't mainstream, they'll be done with you even even quicker

>>44403309
> yknow?
I know.
And that's based anon.

>>44403310
> make them feel bad
First - the thing is that's consensual. Second - what a softie boy you can get some rape too!

>>44403359
What a long, nice description.

>>44403387
> Muh monkey lover. Muh niggers.
Cry all thou wantest, softie.
Could your small mind imagine that I love cuddles and all cute things too? Probably no.

>>44403420
Nah I don't because when you'll have a choice between being gang raped on the streets and being cuddled, you'd choose being raped. This thread is a psyop similar to diaper lovers, and it's a shame it's been normalized

>>44403449
Answer me, are you young? What kind of maximalism is in your head?
There are not only A or B, one can have both.
> diaper lovers
They're cute, too bad I'm not one of them. Traumatized unhappy creatures who want to be taken care of.
> and it's a shame it's been normalized
It is normal. Always has been, if you're about literal rape. Most of the time in human history.
And now you come and yap about it to us who love cnc. What a silly dog.

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>>44403378
I don't really know what I should be looking for honestly. I got too jaded with life and dating in general a few years ago, did a lot of introspection about who I was picking as partners and all the ways I would contribute to the relationships being so fucked up, on top of a couple more bad partners in the interim only made me more so, so I haven't put myself out there much for a couple years at least. Maybe things have changed, I wouldn't know, but I also wouldn't know where to start over. I'm old now and lacking the spark and energy that makes people want to be with each other. I'm probably just bitching without a good reason.

>>44403387
You can cuddle and kiss and whisper sweet nothings at her all night long once you're in the afterglow of an amazing forced orgasm she could hardly breathe through. You speak only from fear with no experience.

>>44403449
Women don't enjoy non-con the way you're obsessed with. Of course they want someone who desires them so much they'd be a little violating in satisfying themselves of her, this doesn't mean they want roving gangs to abduct them. You're so wrapped up in your weird fox news cuck fantasy of brown people coming to rape your women while you watch to understand what any of us are even talking about.

>>44403493
I'm definitely older than you. Diaper lovers are freaks and pedophiles.
Now you're saying that rape is normal, who the fuck are you? What else are you gonna say? Being beaten up to death is sexy?

>>44403495
What kind of fear? I can murder a rapist with my bare hands, I don't fear them lol.
Now you're trying to say that it's not okay for brown people to do that, but for whites it's totally okay, and that there's difference between the desire to be raped by apes on the street and a handsome, charismatic white male who will manipulate you and rape on the first day.

You're all literally the walking meme about blocking exes who raped you half a decade ago lol

>>44403359
NTA
What if what they want is to rape me (consensually?)

>>44400796
This is what i want from my bf he knew me for years as a friend and I need him to dominate me in bed

>>44403555
You're going full schizo over this anon, nobody even said half the shit you're going off about. Are you fluent enough in english to understand the nuance we're talking with?

>>44403559
Well, you'd have to ask yourself honestly, is that something you're okay with for them? If no, then say that and trust they'd respect your boundaries and not push, or break up when they don't.
If yes, you'd have to take it slow and test the waters gradually, a lot like OP described. Get a safeword figured out, have some test runs where they pin you and you say it, and they stop, so you know you can trust it. Understand that when you have sex later they might actually grab you or hold you down, and that you can say your safeword to make them stop that. If that feels good for you, you can discuss further loss of control during sex and escalate slowly from there.
If you want to have a free use agreement, discuss it. If you want them to make decisions for you sexually, discuss it. If you want to make a roleplay out of it and have "no" or "stop" not actually mean that, discuss it. Discuss everything with them so that they know where your boundaries are and know they're allowed to have fun while inside of them.

>>44403555
> Now you're saying that rape is normal
Yeah, womans all over the world were raped and most rapers haven't been punished. Nowadays it's less normal but still happens quite often. Learn to read. Reread what I wrote.
> who the fuck are you?
I'm CAFFEINE. Hi, nice to meet you.
> Being beaten up to death is sexy?
Ah that! I love beating! Of course with a proper care after. The more you lose - the more you get.
>>44403633
Imagine not being able to read one of the easiest languages in the world.

>>44403633
I lived in an English speaking country, so I think I'm fluent enough to understand that. These psyop threads need to be gone for good. Your brainwashing trannies, so they'll inherit your brainworms and will want to be gang raped instead of having a loving and a caring partner who will never hurt them. You think you're doing them a favor when in reality it's just an abuse cycle and untreated mental issues

>>44403655
CAFFEINE, you're a NIGGER
You really want to import more subhumans to your country who will gang rape you and your friends. What's next? BBC? It's also been normal to just kill people, then why can't we just kill everyone we dislike? It also was legal to just marry a 13 y.o., why no it's not normal? Do you try to understand what I'm saying, or you're too brainwashed?

>>44403655
>one of the easiest languages in the world
This isn't true! English is very difficult for a lot of other first language speakers to learn, especially advanced grammar and nuance. Those two are often the hardest parts of learning any language, but english is even more fucked up and demented because of how many exceptions and ridiculous grammar rules there are, on top of a huge list of synonyms and idioms that all have slightly different but important meanings despite saying almost the same thing. When you start learning a language other than english, it really sets in how fucked this language is.

>>44403663
>I lived in an English speaking country, so I think I'm fluent enough to understand that.
I'm sorry to say but as a native speaker I disagree. You're ignoring core parts of the arguments almost everyone has tried to present to you and think we're advocating for mass immigrant rape and white exceptionalism, somehow. Indulging in consensual rough sex and roleplay is very different from what you're trying to say.

>>44403744
What? You just project your mental illnesses and try to say stuff like "but it's been okay for thousands of year!!!! Reee!", and I explain that this doesn't normalize this kind of behavior. I don't need "safe" words, consent to be nice to my partner, the sole presence of this nonsense is already a sign that this behavior is not normal, it's a deviation, you need to promote therapy to cure it instead of making it worse and spreading. If you don't see how this behavior is being represented in modern Jew media to control the population as a part of wef 2030 you're too far gone and you'll need to spend at least 4 months without internet and rape fantasies to understand what I'm saying here.

>>44403663
Of course hurt couldn't be with love, couldn't be playful, couln't be with an understanding of limits of your loved one.
No-no-no. That's not how it works. Either you're a full on romantic knight or you're a rapist nigga.
> I lived in an English speaking country,
Account based in India.
> It's also been normal to just kill people.
Too bad we ended this good practice.
> You really want to import more subhumans to your country who will gang rape you and your friends.
Where I wrote it? Show me. Calm down and don't be a raging pussy. You're being too serious about it.
> It also was legal to just marry a 13 y.o., why no it's not normal?
Like in Japan before 2023. Or sandnigger/nigger countries. I'm not into kids, I'm into cute, obeyful and kinky adults.

>>44403744
> This isn't true!
Yeeeah, I'm just oversimplifying. As a de speaker for me it was easy enough, especially with a proper teacher. Of course my English is kind of broken, but it's good enough for simple conversations like the one we have now, or some technical literature.

>>44403420
>>44403359
IDK, maybe I’m not meant for that type of relationship. I couldn’t handle doing that to someone even if she left me over not treating her rough.
Also I said I don’t want to rape anyone I couldn’t live with myself if I did that caffeine

>>44403493
>diaper lovers are traumatized unhappy creatures who want to be taken care of
yeah :( it's so rare that someone tries to understand instead of just calling us freaks

>>44401210
>Cause it feels a little insulting to people who've actually been raped
It's your bedroom and your marriage/relationship, nona. You don't owe third parties anything. Not to mention third parties shouldn't even be privy to it anyway.
>>44401214
Trvke.
It's quite amazing how sexually repressed zoomers really are. Oftentimes zoomers talking about sex sound far more conservative than a 70 year old Orthodox priest.

>>44403777
I can be playful with my knife too :)
I'm a chubby, bald, smelly, Indian male, I love trans ladies very lot, it is part of a my culture madam. I want to worship a trans lady and to not a rape her like people here do but if you really really want it, come to india and I will show you a place in my village where you can have rape as many as you want lady!
I will wear my cool hat after writing the post and play factorio because you niggers are too insufferable beans

>>44403834
it is totally normal yeah, so you'll wear a diaper in your 20s, 30s and 40s, you'll have toys, say uga gaga booga and shit yourself because of trauma (so called trauma because you've never been diagnosed or tried therapy)

>>44403829
> IDK, maybe I’m not meant for that type of relationship.
Maybe you are, yes. And yes, as have been described - ask girls about it to not get in a situation. The same way I don't want a girl that doesn't want to be treated rough and belong to me. Doing what you don't want to is kind of fucked up no?
> I couldn’t live with myself if I did that caffeine
You write it like we're talking about literal rape, we're not.
Also that was a joke about you getting raped, not you raping someone.

>>44403834
Quite often people are dumb and actually evil. Don't know, don't know. Why call you freaks? I want to give you headpats.

>>44403844
I laughed so loud. I read it out loud in an Indian accent.

>>44403866
If it works and does no harm - so be it.

>>44403866
idk who you're talking to, that doesn't apply to me. you should try talking to people instead of making things up about them.

>>44403910
Oh , I don’t know if I want that either I like being cuddled more

>>44403941
How cute.
And yeah, being serious it's not only a rape thing, it's also about power dynamics. I find that quite comprehensible when you have simple relationship model without equality and other complexities. You just have a gal/guy who simply accepts you as a superior, listens and obeys to you. And you have to take care of such a cute creature, because without you this silly pup won't figure it out, it can't handle it.

And with equal rights? It feels fucked up and fake.

Also the uniqueness plays a role. I could find regular equal relationships with a snap of my fingers.
Proper ones? No. But that's the reason why I'm up for it.

>>44401210
>Is it caused by physiology or something? These desires got a lot stronger after SRS. Like my body realizes it has to be receptive now...
NTA, but yes.
In my case I'm enjoying it because that's exactly what I wanted, but it was still a surprise just how fast the brain adapts to the new reality. And not just with sex, but with everything. From how you take a pee to how you walk, everything really.
And it's a feedback loop. There's physiology but then there's also you who, i am sure, wanted this. So now that these two are aligned, there's clear path to being and doing what you want.
>it's almost praise for all the effort and pain I went through to get to this point
That is correct.
To some it may sound as "degradation" or cringe or w/e but in your context (and mine for that matter) it's hot praise.

>>44400796
Your pleasure must be amazing. Savor it. Fuck now I'm hard.

>>44400796
my ex was too soft for this. i hated asking for him to be more rough. he would barely choke me and only would pin me down or push me around if i was being a cunt. i like being a brat but being a cunt is a bit far.

>>44404335
Same here, I need to find someone who like really wants to do this to me, preferably just a litttlleee bit more than I want to have it done to me desu

>>44404335
Asking for it sounds strange. It's either in someone's nature or it's not.

>>44400796
need this to happen to me

>>44404342
>preferably just a litttlleee bit more than I want to have it done to me desu
NTA, but relatable...

>>44404370
Isn't that because asking for consent violates the whole point of consensual non-consent?

>>44404997
>asking for consent violates the whole point of consensual non-consent
Anon, what do you think the first consensual stands for in that sentence? You give someone the right to violate you, and they take you up on the offer. It is and always will be in your power to start or stop it, which is why it's very unlike rape and actually quite normal for women to enjoy those rape fantasies, unlike women enjoying actual rape which is a tiny minority of cases.

>>44404997
I mean asking a guy to be more dominant, several times.

>>44405169
Yeah, that sounds kind of lame.

le bump

>>44404544
You have to go out and get a guy before this can happen to you Nona

>>44403682
Go back to /pol/

>>44402978
IDK, I kinda get feeling guilty about this stuff. I've been SA'd before, so for me the guilt feeling is more like a feminist guilt? Like I am being a bad feminist for giving into this desire?

I feel like that's a fairly common feeling for straight women in BDSM.

>>44408127
>Like I am being a bad feminist for giving into this desire?
NTA but who cares?
Feminism is a soul-rotting ideology anyway. Being a "bad feminist" is one step closer to being a normal human. 70% of women are not feminist and of the 29% who say they are, more than half don't know anything about feminism because if they did, they'd join the 70%.

>>44403663
Not everything you don't get is a psyop. Plenty of women like BDSM and CNC. That's just life. Plenty are also not into it, and that's fine too.

And stop comparing consentual play to real rape. It's like you have no clue what consent is.

Honestly, your comment reads vary patronizing and like a reflection of patriarchal purity culture. Women can know what we like for ourselves.

>>44408199
Considering how recent a lot of equal rights for women are, and how at least one person close to the US president has argued against women having the right to vote recently, I really disagree with you about feminism.

Being hurt or used roughly by someone I love and trust is appealing, though I do struggle with feminist guilt. But that doesn't mean all of feminism is bad.

>>44408319
>that doesn't mean all of feminism is bad
yes, it does. All feminism is bad. You need to grow up.
There's a reason the vast majority of women aren't feminists. They're not stupid. They see that nearly all feminists are unhappy and terrible people to be around.
It's an ideology by the mentally ill for the mentally ill. And trannies who think they "soulpass" better by being turbomisandrist (or feminists, same difference) are particularly self-sabotaging.

>>44400796
we literally have another thread with a brown tranny salivating with more degen degradation and subby impulses than whatever you described? Yes Nona, many others on /TTTT/ are like this. this is very trans woman brained.

>>44408392
huh?

>>44408375
I don't love the risk losing basic rights like nondiscrimination at work, non-discriminatory banking access, or God forbid the right to vote though.

This isnt about soul passing, it's about my right to work and earn equal pay.

>>44408518
>thinks voting matters
LOL

>>44408703
Ok, so how should I live my life according to you all when the other rights are curtailed? You know, since feminism is all bad.

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>>44400796
Christ I hope this happens to me. Really not happy with being a degenerate femdom gooner,especially when its probably caused by the highly inappropriate norman bates-esque relationship I had with my mum as a kid

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>>44408375
>All feminism is bad. You need to grow up.
Try gaining some nuance on the topic instead of this blanket retardation... Lol.

>>44410105
there is no nuance to be gained from an ideology that is explicitly built on lack of nuance.
feminism itself is the blanket retardation.

>>44410354

Oh. In that case perhaps you can answer my question? >>44409699

>>44410399
Those privileges exist in spite of feminism, not because of it. Especially if you're a tranny.
Remember that feminism, when properly and completely read, rejects femininity. There's a reason feminists are the least happy people and why self-id as feminist has been consistently dropping.
Slowly, but surely, this bullshit, that you can use banking services because of feminism is no longer working. At least in part because it's false. Women had limited access to CREDIT, not to banking. And that was because women were not liable for debt, but their husbands were. In modernity this is still the case so women got a privilege, not a right.
Same with voting. Women don't have to register for the draft in order to get the privilege of voting. Meanwhile men can't vote if they don't sign up for being murdered by the State.
That's one of the many reasons feminism is bad. In addition to making women more miserable, it also perpetuates actual discrimination and privileges that women shouldn't be having.
Let me know when feminists even attempt to force women into war or into coal mines. Feminists opposed every single reform of family courts too. The reason reform has been happening is precisely because more and more people have finally reached the correct conclusion: feminism is a problem to be overcome, not something to be tolerated.

>>44410450
>Those privileges exist in spite of feminism, not because of it.
NTA, but
Actually delusional.

>>44410561
yes, yes, the banking liberalization didn't come because banks wanted more clients and profits, but because a few marginals screamed about it where nobody heard them anyway.
feminists are truly delusional. the second the establishment got what it wanted they were thrown under the bus like the bunch of useful idiots that they always were.
gloria steinem was literally a CIA spook, but, sure, it's 70%+ of women and 80%+ of men who reject feminism that are delusional for not trusting a CIA project.
keep being a useful idiot, nona. It will work out just fine <3

>>44410561
NTA, but
Actually delusional that you think feminism and women's rights are the same political movement.

>>44411702
Literally delusional for thinking they are not.

>>44410583
Weird conspiracy theory, but also: banks were not the ones championing regulations requiring gender blindness on letting women open accounts. How do you literally know nothing about the history of women's rights while trying to advise people on what to believe?

>>44410450
> men can't vote if they don't sign up for being murdered by the State

You can vote even if you haven't signed up for Selective Service. I had pre-transition. What are you even talking about?

> Let me know when feminists even attempt to force women into war

Considering feminism includes body autonomy as a core attribute: why the fuck would feminism support forcing anyone into war? Modern feminists support the elimination of the draft, not its expansion. Feminism also generally supports women being able to go to war.

> or into coal mines

No one is forcing men to go into coal mines, wtf? Feminism supports women's rights to work in coal mines if they wish, but why the fuck would anyone be forcing anyone at all to choose a given job??? Literally a delusional take.

>>44411925
>You can vote even if you haven't signed up for Selective Service
>why the fuck would feminism support forcing anyone into war? Modern feminists support the elimination of the draft, not its expansion.
>Feminism supports women's rights to work in coal mines if they wish
You are living in an alternate reality that doesn't acknowledge the last decade.

>>44412052
K.

>>44411925
>Modern feminists support the elimination of the draft
Not in any meaningful ways, no.
It's easy to say you support an impossible policy because you can never be held accountable for not delivering.
In reality, the draft is never going away anywhere. So either women have a duty to the Nation or they don't.
For now Norway is the only country on Earth that actually rigidly enforces equal duties when it comes to defending the Nation. And to a certain extent Israel. That's it. In all other nations women want equal right but without equal responsibilities.
You're delusional if you think this is sustainable long term.
We have 1926 sex-specific expectations for men but zero sex-specific expectations for women.
>No one is forcing men to go into coal mines, wtf
Not directly. But that's like saying no one is forcing women to go into HR. Intentionally altered incentives are real, nona.
In reality, men's employment opportunities have been intentionally diminished in nearly all decent jobs and the only thing that's left are the hardest jobs which women don't want. You have to be willfully obtuse to continue to pretend this isn't an issue.
>>44411925
>Weird conspiracy theory
Would you please stop living in 2015?
Throwing 2015 insults is a bad look.
Gloria Steinem was a CIA spook. She openly admits it and explicitly says she doesn't regret it either and would do it again.
Here's a 2015 article glorifying this glownigger from which you feminists continue to drink propaganda from: https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/blog/feminist-was-spy
>banks were not the ones championing regulations requiring gender blindness on letting women open accounts
No, they were funding it. How do YOU literally know nothing about the history of feminism while trying to convince people to believe outright falshoods and spreading extremist and misandrist rhetoric as if that's somehow okay?

>>44412067
> In reality, the draft is never going away anywhere

Sounds like you are the one who supports men getting drafted. The draft is a nonsensical institution in a world with professional militaries. It's entirely possible to eliminate it, and dishonest to claim it can't be eliminated.

I personally don't believe the draft will ever be activated again in the US, given that bringing in unwilling recruits into a highly trained, specialized, and technology-training-reliant military is a tactical nightmare.

> Not directly. But ... to pretend this isn't an issue.

That is a lot of words for "men are choosing to go into some specific fields because they now have to compete with women, and some women are more skilled than them". What am I supposed to do, intentionally not apply for jobs I am better than men at so they aren't "forced" to go work in coal mines? Ffs.

> Gloria Steinem was a CIA spook.

Sure, she was working for the CIA. That has nothing to do with her associations with the sociopolitical movement of feminism, nor does it tie the huge number of feminists during that time to the CIA.

That's the conspiracy theory I am talking about: a feminist working for the CIA neither actually discredits feminism, nor does it suggest that everything she did was part of a CIA plot.

I worked for a university for a while; does that mean that my feminism was a [name removed for safety] university plot? Is you arguing on 4chan right now a secret [where-ever you work for] plot? (ok, maybe, but I'm not going to assume you are a paid agitator without evidence?

> No, they were funding it. How ... okay?

The vast majority of banks did not support ECOA and did actively practice gender discrimination. What is with you and weird conspiracy theories? Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this claim?

>>44412158
>I worked for a university for a while
Ah, okay. That explains why you're so retarded.
I apologize for even attempting to reason with you. I was under the mistaken impression that I'm speaking with a normal human. I was wrong. My bad.
Have a great day.

>>44412067
Here I see a retarded right-winger (therefore, without fail someone with significant cognitive deficits)

>>44412158
Here I see someone with flawless grammar, high verbal IQ, proper reasoning, correct arguments, and a strong moral foundation. Also someone who rightly understands the epistemological poverty inherent to conspiracism.


Poster B is so much smarter and wiser than Poster A that it's truly hydrogen bomb and coughing baby.

Naturally, the retarded right-wing rube can only lash out in pain as they are hamstrung by their own unintelligence.

Only on 4chan.

>>44412211
>high verbal IQ
NTA but more like high verbal diarrhea. Poster A is retarded chud but poster B is a slimy subhuman who can't comprehend that her tiny bubble exists and, yes, it's very tiny.
>strong moral foundation
Being a misandrist is not a strong moral foundation. It's a character flaw.

>>44412193
Ah, I see, you are just going to insult anyone who disagrees with your conspiracy theories. I am going to to judge you based on your current actions while you judge me based on a random bit of my resume.

>>44412211
nice samefag

>>44412312
Why?

>>44412312
Not really relevant to the discussion DESU. Make a new thread. Or don't.

Funny that this thread is still alive.

>>44408127
> bad feminist for giving into this desire?
Dunno what's "bad feminist" is, I don't think that women should lose rights or smth. But I just understand that men and women are different and it probably will be like that in the future. There are roles and jobs that fit more to each. But anyway most of the people in my circle call me a feminist.

I don't quite get it as BDSM, but maybe one could call that as full-time BDSM lol. Not a big fan of this naming and assotiations that tied to it.

And about giving into this desire? Why is this bad if you two want it? And it has nothing to do with someones feelings about real sexual assaults, it's their problems.
Only real problem is to find a proper guy or gal who will not only abuse, but will also praise.

>>44412392
Oh, yeah, I know logically it doesn't make me bad at feminism to submit sexually to a man, or to be consensually hurt. But there is still the feeling of guilt baked into it. Like, I know it's not anti-feminist to practice BDSM, but there is still an undercurrent of guilt. As if by submitting, I am doing something wrong.

Plus, there are some feminist groups, even trans inclusive radical feminist groups, that don't agree with me and say that all BDSM is abusive and harmful to women. It can be hard not to internalize.

> But I just understand that men and women are different and it probably will be like that in the future. There are roles and jobs that fit more to each.

IDK, I have complex feelings on the topic. My take is that there may be average differences, but there will always be someone on the extreme end of both bell curves.

But I'm not sure I am equipped to debate this topic, lol. I was pushed out of academia during transition and somehow stumbled into a care provider job somehow.

>>44412487
Don't know what about those groups. But I like all those things with submitting, no, I LOVE them. They give different kind of freedom. Not that one people are talking about commonly. Freedom from thinking about many different things.

> IDK, I have complex feelings on the topic. My take is that there may be average differences, but there will always be someone on the extreme end of both bell curves.
An average woman will fit well as a mother and the keeper of the hearthand and an average man will fit well as a policeman. Womans being in police on streets is just nonsense, and man is not well equipped to care about a baby.
Examples could vary, but you get it. Or if we talk women jobs it will be, yeah, like you - care and healthcare or education, textile, all that. Men are more nah for that - less empathy, sense, and of course they're less gentle and soft. And that's normal.

Of course, there are those who are not like this, but there are practically none in terms of statistics.

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>>44400796
You are so fucking lucky....>_>

>>44400796
HSTS stay winning

>>44400796
as a guy who's into all of that I can tell you odds are he was probably into it from the beginning.. That doesn't mean we're going to risk turning off someone that's legitimate partner material

>>44404335
Try communicating with them You can't get what you want if you don't talk to them and arrange something.
>>44404997
No. If you don't know the difference between kink and assaulting someone please do not try this.

>>44412695
How can I find out early if someone likes this bc it is a big big plus for me but I’m scared to bring it up

>>44412745
NTA but bringing it up is the fastest and the best way.
Yes, you'll creep out some guys. But you'll be surprised how many find it hot right off the bat.

>>44412745
Talk to them? Work your way up to asking what their kinks are, ask about their level of experience, their skillset, what they're looking for. I'd have questions ready about safety and gauge whether they would be a worthwhile partner. It starts with education before you get to the bedroom

>>44412820
Yeah, I’m just really awkward talking about sex I feel very uncomfortable about it

YWNBAW

>>44412695
I know he was probably into that from the beginning now, but it's not something we talked about when we were still just friends.

>>44414041
Why would he have brought it up back then? You don't normally talk to your guy friends about consensually raping your best one in their post op pussy after a 3 year long relationship with them as a girl.

>>44413990
YWNBAM

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>>44414284
All the keks! Considering how inverted your perspective of reality is, I expected no different of a statement

Bump

>>44412695
Should I have said "asking for consent each time ruins the point"?

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