For me, transitioning (MtF) is fundamentally about obtaining an aesthetically and philosophically pure masculine ideal.This means the embodiment of several discrete concepts--1. Self Sacrifice-- the ideal of Jesus on the cross-- symbolized by the act of ceremonial castration, eschewing one's own lineage in favor of universalized humaneness2. The Sublime Homoerotica -- the distillation of submissive homosexuality, love between men, fealty to one's master, the platonic ideal of Greek love.3. The Pathos of Tragic Failure-- in essence the goal is not to become female (a semantic and philosophical contradiction) but to achieve intimate awareness of the quality of divine feminity (i.e. motherhood, pure observation without introspection).4. Performance and catharsis-- to communicate on a social scale and with visceral intenssity the cyclical suffering of the weak, impoverished and enslaved, and to articulate suppressed anti-judaic, anti capitalist thought.In sum, transition represents the redemption and purification of masculinity. The poetic lamentations of paradise lost, bearing the scorn of chud kind, the beautiful wilting of the male body under the influence of estrogen, the obsessively conscious refinement and cultivation of the aesthetic, and of course the ecstasy of pure homosexual intercourse (that between two heterosexual men)
>>44405549I like this as it's immediately available. It branches out into all actions taken on a long timeline...
you don't understand the philosophical problem of boyfucking under the athenian hegemony. they had to pretend it was all intercrural bc if they were honest about male aristocratic homosexuality it would raise the spectre of athenian noblemen bottoming for the sunburnt races
>>44405838I am intrigued by this, can you please elaborate in detail? I fully admit my ignorance and just want unique perspectives and knowledge.
>>44405549>pure masculine idealwut
>>44408415Believe it or not, i'm serious.In our current age, masculinity is defined as coarseness, selfishness, cruelty, cynicism, stupidity and being uncouth. I feel like a lot of men are alienated or frustrated by this.Basically, my concept of ideal masculinity combines scholarly refinement with the lucidity and pragmatism of Logos, a man who has no reservations about his sensitive side. At the same time, adopting feminine styles of grooming in the hopes of being taken as female shows humility, deference, and lack of interest in competing with other males. There's also the ritualized humiliation that comes from body modification, putting female clothes on an androgynous frame. Even the simple act of existing as a trans woman is deeply contrarian and rebellious, it's kind of humiliating and masculine, especially if you're shameless about it like I am.I feel like transitioning means attaining a primal masculine essence, one literally forgot by the current age in which we have this rigid one sided gender binary where most of the personhood, humane qualities, sensuality, and aesthetic value is invested in the female gender.
>>44408533it's also self sufficient most importantly and transitioning is not self sufficient being feminine maybe
>>44408667Are you saying self sufficiency is an essential quality of masculinity that you lose by transitioning to female? Meaning that it requires estrogen, needles and surgery?
>>44408961eh i guess
>>44408976I think moreso than technology is the idea that dependency on others is a stereotypically feminine trait, both in terms of physical weakness and emotional fragility and these are stereotypes of trans women as well.Personally, i think if we consider the overarching pattern of religion, science, and human development to try to elevate humankind above the base struggle for survival, and the parallel development of spirituality focused on compassion and selflessness, we see that the leaders of society have usually tended to be frail, dependant, and secluded from others. (Notwithstanding the warrior king mythic archetype in many cultures)So I guess i would argue my physical weakness and dependency is the traditional "symbol of divine favor" (i.e. material equating to spiritual wealth). And my emotional fragility i would associate with staunch adherence to traditional virtue, i.e. kindness, humility, uprightness.Obviously these qualities can have both a positive and negative aspect (they can appear stupid/bad at times) but I would still argue they're fundamentally masculine.
>>44409194dumbest shit ive ever read pretty much wrong on every count
>>44409194I like this idea of giving up on competition and machismo. I never considered myself to be into either, but still see them pop up. Ironically, letting them fall away brings me a greater sense of pride...
>>44405549Based and SOPHIE-pilled
>>44409279Self sufficiency is only maybe masculine if you draw a connection between masculinity and the American tradition of romantic aesceticism (aka Henry David Thoreau) and the stoic tradition. That's like a very american/settler colonial concept that is limited because there's nothing left to colonize and people don't grow their own food anymore.If you literally just mean "you're wrong about your own gender" that doesn't make any sense in context. Why don't you elaborate?
>>44405549>women are objects no
>>44409686My least favorite thing about this brand of woke virtue signalling is that it's implicitly othering both the subject and the speaker from womanhood in the haste to "check the privilege" of some tranny who is presumed to not understand "true womanhood." It's more self defeating and irritating than chud/gincel talking points
>>44410080nahyou're literally defining women as objects and chasing that then projecting it onto others, it's gross
>>44410086If you don't explain yourself I can only conclude that it's pure projection, and in fact it's a very feeble gotcha at that. Even setting aside the mundane fact of agency (that it's merely my interpretation of my experience) you're disregarding that it's society who objectifies women and Trans women. A society that is corrupt, patriarchal, violent, and at the level of nation states devoid of even basic morality. You must at least define what group of helpless women i'm supposedly objectifying and why this horrific crime is allowed to go unpunished and why I should feel bad about this before you just make arbitrary statements.
>>44410130you're just making up more shit I didn't say and projecting that too
>>44410143You even haven't said anything you're literally mad i said something positive about masculinity and that is le sexist (apparently.)This type of confrontational bluster is sustained by the cliche of "you're secretly sexist and racist you just don't realize it you must repent" which spread in 2014 after that one book. In actual reality i said nothing bad about women, only that I don't consider myself one.
>>44405549Male purity or purification is a contradiction of terms. Maleness is derivative, it is the sexual differentiation, a byproduct of femaleness (females are closer to unisex/nosex species, males are the dimorphic byproduct of the split into two sexes). In the end all search for male purity/purification is like the endless quest to get rid of your maleness, that is: attempting to de-man yourself and become more feminine. No matter what pole (masculine or feminine) you're aiming to achieve trough this "purification", it's all ritualistic behavior to try to expiate the fact that you are a male.
