People have different reasons for transitioning, and forcing everyone into one narrative doesn't help anyone. You can support trans rights while also acknowledging that AGP exists for some people. Those ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
>>44406213AGP exists but it's not the cause of gender dysphoria and there is no AGP/HSTS "dichotomy"
>>44406215Yes there is.
>>44406228prove it
>>44406251Using faceapp to modify your image.
>>44406271what is that proof of?
AGP is peak autosexuality.
>>44406215You're presenting a contested conclusion as settled fact. The existence, interpretation, and significance of AGP, as well as the validity of the AGP/HSTS typology, remain debated. What evidence are you relying on to state that AGP cannot contribute to gender dysphoria and that the dichotomy has no explanatory value?
>>44406325oh, that's easy: the complete and entire absence of any substantiating or even generally or more loosely supporting evidence from the fraud who tried to push this garbage
>>44406325Not that anon, but...AGP is also not inherently a sexual phenomenon; for many individuals it reflects the integration of a suppressed feminine identity or psychological balance, with any erotic component being secondary rather than causal.
>>44406357Are we talking about "him" again?>>44406362You don't see AGP fantasizing about being pregnant or having menstruation though do you?AGP is escapism.
>>44406381>You don't see AGP fantasizing about being pregnant or having menstruationif you mean trannies, yes, you do all the time on this very boardyou are the weirdest kind of retard
>>44406385AGP isn't the same as being tranny.
>>44406397proofs??
>>44406381Whether someone fantasizes about pregnancy or menstruation tells you nothing about the underlying mechanism. Calling AGP "escapism" is just a label unless you can provide evidence that escapism explains the phenomenon better.
>>44406302This
>>44406402Just ask chat gpt
>>44406432LOL
>>44406421Completely agree.This also prove that women don't see arousal the same way as men do.Women are mostly AGP.Just look at all "women porn"
>>44406213I wouldn't say my desire to be a woman is AGP, as much as it is just some higher powers fuck up to change my gender in this worldline, but not my brain chemistry or personality lmao.To some degree the idea of being able to be my real self in a sexual manner would be cool, but ultimately that is just a small part of my being. The longing to be a woman does not start or end with horniness.
>>44406213true, but AGP is just normal woman sexuality
>>44406438I don't to hear this from MEF
>>44406479MEF is literally not real it's just a re-framing for boomer sissy fetish bs
>>44406471true
>>44406471>>>44406448>Women are mostly AGP.AGP is just normal woman sexualityWTF?Shouldn'tt women sexuality be AAP?
oh man this esl shit never stops being funny
>>44406513no that's only pooners, most women do not want to fuck with their cocks
>>44406471copewomen are rarely autosexual
>>44406554
>>44406588Women ARE autosexuals.Just look at their own grooming, they get of on the same things that arouse AGP men.
>>44406588no that's men, women are primarily autosexualthat's why fucking monster erotica is so popular, because the focus is on making her feel feminine
>>44406596ok more than I expected honestly, I guess some of them would like to try at leastshould have said something like a beard, cock is a poor example since its common with ag(am)ps too
>>44406213I wish someone had told me agp is easy to repress for life
>>44406605>>44406613i'm not going over this againplease look into it for yourselves
>>44406628is it really
>>44406640I have, I really can't think otherwise. Also explains why straight women can watch lesbian porn and all, focus is on self-inserting as the woman being pleasured, not the partner
>>44406658if it is mild maybe, if AGP is your only sexuality I don't think there's any way to really repress it without indulging
>>44406628You shouldn't though>>44406640NTA, but check it yourself.>>44406689How do you do it?
>>44406640Explain erotica then.
>>44406697>How do you do it?I don't, I'm on /tttt/ what do you think lol
>>44406689How can you have more than one sexuality?
>>44406681that's not what agp or any kind of autosexuality means, they are allocentric as in their attraction is to their partner but they love being pleasured too, this is female heterosexuality>>44406697i have, and charles moser was using a noble lie because he thought blanchardism pathologized trans women so he made a study deliberately slanted to make it look like agp is female heterosexuality. he did this because at the time to secure them gender affirming healthcare
>>44406775They're attracted to their partner but the self-attraction still precedes it, most women don't want to have sex if they feel ugly
>>44406213Ends like this though>>>/gif/30995169
>>44406723>>44406723their attraction to men is more contextual and varied compared to mens highly visual attraction to women. women can be sexually attracted to men based on other things such as status, competence, physical prowess or stature, appearance, personality, romantic nature. they are not autosexuals getting off on thinking about themselves as women, that's not the same as feeling sexy and confident in lingerie>>44406838no that's shame, shyness and lack of confidencethere's literally nothing wrong with having autogynephilia i'm just saying most cis females don't
>>44406881>>>>/gif/30995169well that was triggering wtf
>>44406910>they are not autosexuals getting off on thinking about themselves as womenneither are agps though after transition, unless its still agp to fantasize about sex as themselves>>44406910and I still don't agree, most of those things actually don't prevent arousal in the same way as long as she feels desired
>>44406910>that's not the same as feeling sexy and confident in lingerieIt's exactly the same
>>44406325>The existence, interpretation, and significance of AGP, as well as the validity of the AGP/HSTS typology, remain debatedremain debated by a few 80 year old sexologiststhere is absolutely no basis for blanchard's typology as an etiology of transsexuality
>>44406940the difference is allocentric sexuality vs autosexuality, not to be confused with self consciousnessthe woman is not getting off to her being a woman, read the questions moser used in the studywomen can be aroused and not want to go through with sex they're actually much better at it than men
>>44406931i bet he jerks off to her
>>44406992that would make most men aap toothe study was designed to disprove the existence of agp which is about more than feeling sexy and confident in lingeriethe logic just doesn't hold up
>>44406995What does it mean if I want to be a woman only when sex and revert to man in my daily life?Even if there was some magical way to do it with no consequences?
>>44407096Just because it goes one way doesn't mean it can go the other way
>>44407069>the woman is not getting off to her being a woman, read the questions moser used in the studyyeah and neither are agps if they get to that point
>>44407111I like icky's succubus costume here
>>44407111cute nglsometimes I wish I were a transbian but I’ll stick to chasing
>>44407111it literally does, i feel good when i wear boxer briefs and my bulge looks big and my legs look defined and hairyi feel good when i'm looking strong and cleanthese things don't sexually arouse me they just make me feel confident and sexyi don't have aap because my sexuality is entirely oriented towards cis and trans women rather than myselfmost men don't have aap and most women don't have agp, only a minority of cis and a majority of trans women who as a whole are a small fraction of women
>>44407191why do you think agps have their entire sexuality oriented around themselves, that's not typically the case
>>44407242it's a scale sure but it's deemed to be progressive with time
you speak about others' sense of self, attraction, blah blah so confidently but i am not buying any of it. red flags desu
>>44406605IWNBAW, no matter what, just awesome
>>44407457agp trans women can still be women nobody reasonable asks a woman her sexuality before deciding if she's a womancis women themselves have varied sexuality anyway
>>44406881not real enough
As someone with AGP, I think you're coping. If you don't think what you have is a fetish, then give it a clear definition and name it something different than AGP, but stop coping
>>44408861Have you trooned
>>44408861why agp is the most glaring undeniable part of the experience if not as a cause then as a symptom
>>44406605Correlation doesn't imply causation. Women groom themselves because they like being attractive to men who they are attracted to, not because they like themselves in a vacuum.
>>44408873No, and never will, i wouldn't want to be a woman that's not cis. I just imagine, dressing up with women's accessories or symbols also makes no sense to me when the essential component is missing.>>44408938I'm not sure we understand it the same way. AGP is pretty much the same as being a cis het guy, except instead of imagining yourself with the woman you like, you imagine yourself as the woman you like, both are focused on the same woman. According to Blanchard, who coined the term, there are subtypes, but the ethymology is clear: gynephilia (standard cis het male attraction) + auto = autogynephilia.
>>44408873>>44408938I'd also like to add that i don't have any issues with being a man, because my identity is not a big deal to me. Which leads me to the conclusion that both dysphoria and AGP address completely different aspects of the mind. AGP focuses on attraction to something external while dysphoria focuses on your own identity, so both conditions are independent and caused by different things. In my opinion, for someone to have dysphoria, they have to be confused about their identity, AGP itself is not enough to cause this.
>>44409260agp is both internal and external that's why there is an overlap with dysphoria
>>44406213U can kys trying to say that fetish why trans Anyone who self ID as such is a complete retard who prob didnt graduate high school (was allowed walk the stage with inflated grades they didnt deserve) and should stfu and let the smarter people think for them. They are hands not brains.
>>44409260for now lol, I wouldn't spend time on /tttt/ then
>>44407191>i feel good when i wear boxer briefs and my bulge looks big and my legs look defined and hairyi don't
>>44409332Nothing i've seen around this board has ever hate myself or made me think trooning would be a good idea
>>44409319nta i get what you're saying but every lie incurs a debt to the truth, and it will eventually be paid with interestwe've moved past the need for the noble lie because nobody cares or is buying it
>>44409584it's not a good idea but you'll still risk just getting more dysphoric so
>>44409745I might just be completely immune to dysphoria
>>44409104women and men are without essence so there is not essential component
>>44410170>bodies aren't real>matter isn't real>reality isn't real
>>44408443too fucking real bro, too fucking real
>>44410258shut up idiot go find the one with the troon playing a video game and throwing a tantrum at it's old dad
>>44407191How would you explain agp otherwise?And how would you explain female erotica?>>44408861I agree.AGP is fetish for men, and default sexuality for women.IMO the best way to tell, if you don't feel like you want to be a woman after you orgasm, then it's mostly a fetish.Or if there was some advance pill that make you switch between male and female biologically without any issues and with no social stigma, and you only do it to orgasm and revert to male self after that then you're AGP.>>44408948True, but women groom to feel sexual to to be sexual to someone else.And this is from cis women.>>44409260Groomers would want you to think otherwise.>>44409291Crossdressing is the earliest form of AGP, and it well documented.Later on it became "femboy" with several trans groomer wanting to validate their own mental issues as actual dysphoria.>>44407191>i feel good when i wear boxer briefs and my bulge looks big and my legs look defined and hairyGAY>>44409588I too watched Chernobyl
>>44406213So is this agpgen?
>>44411236Sure./agpgen/ and /femgen/ were the coolest generals on /lgbt/ before they moved to discord.
>>44411271>they moved to discordIs that seriously what happened and why it never gets posted anymore? If so another reason to hate shitcord.
>>44411287In a way, some people from /adblgen/ kept derailing and trolling the threads.
>>44411232Women who like being attractive or guys who work out aren't necessarily attracted to themselves. I don't know why you assume they do.
>>44407650the problem is I lack autosexuality, for the most part it seems incoherent to me
>>44411232>if you don't feel like you want to be a woman after you orgasm, then it's mostly a fetish.i still want to be fem and aesthetic just the scenario making goes away >Or if there was some advance pill that make you switch between male and female biologically without any issues and with no social stigma, and you only do it to orgasm and revert to male self after that then you're AGPi would only switch to male if somebody i knew was to see me
Bumping this threadI luv you /agpgen/
>>44406213i started hrt due to agp but now i'm just a weird looking manmoder. i'm miserable
was anyone else around when emilia was the resident hopetrip
>>44414599i was around long before that too
it's one thing when agps are regular stereotypical men but when they're too soft to cope with life what does it mean
>>44414599>>44414776'member vampchan?
