>>44406803
>eastern European
EU or non-EU? If EU kys

>>44406803
they were so much better than Liturgy at the concert I went to on sunday in bratislava it's not even funny

congrats Nona. you've done really well for yourself

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>>44406858
I was genuinely surprised by this Ukrainian/german band. Usually the tranny coded bands are either punk or cringe. These ones were neither.
>>44406812
>If EU kys
Screw you. I'm from one of the top 10 poorest areas of the EU (picrel). The MEDIAN take home pay when I started transition in 2017 was 500 euros per month. I was making less than 300 euros a month working 10hrs/day.
Cut the whining. There's disciplined nonas making it under constant russian shelling in Kharkiv.

>>44406960
how did you manage to get ffs? I'm from slovakia and paying for ffs out of pocket would wipe out everything in my bank account to the last cent if I did it now

>>44407014
>how did you manage to get ffs?
I started saving up in 2018 when I realized that this little project of mine could actually work. I used the most peasant instruments (state bonds and savings accounts) because I didn't know anything about money management, since my background is poorfag. But I knew how to spend less, so I did that.
2020 brought the opportunity of a better paid job remotely. With lockdowns meant even less expenses anyway so I shoveled as much as I could into the savings accounts and state bonds. It was still not enough, but now that I had a "file" with the bank that I'm an aggressive saver, I qualified for a "personal necessities" credit.
So I shopped around and eventually settled for Facial Team in Spain. Contracted a credit for the missing amount (about 12k euros) and flew to get the surgery in the autumn of 2021. I finished paying for the credit this year.
The reason I was able to is because FFS allowed me to move into full time living as a woman. The exact same job that I applied for in early 2021 as legally male and didn't even get a phonecall back, was more than willing to interview me and give me the job in 2022 as legally female.
Very much literally FFS was an investment for me. It almost tripled my income and allowed me things I couldn't even begin to dream about.

>>44407014
>paying for ffs out of pocket
In fairness, it also depends what you need.
These days there are cheaper options in Turkey. If you need only some contouring and trach shave, you get away with less than 5k euros including transport costs to Istanbul. Such options weren't available 5 years ago.

>>44407138
how much did the ffs at facial team cost in total?

>>44407166
Almost 30k euros (including transport costs, staying in Spain, etc.) but I also went to what they used to call "full face reconstructions". 15k savings, 12k credit and almost 3k small time loans from friends.
Was it worth it? Hell yeah! Would I recommend it to others in 2026? No. Facial Team today is still expensive but no longer as top-tier as it used to be.
Still, the basic plan to save up and contract a credit still absolutely works and it's the only way to actually get ahead in trooning in this part of the world. If I hadn't gone this route, I would've still been a depressed "boymoder" or would've detrooned into some form of femfag, desu.
These days one can get high quality FFS in Turkey for under 20k euros.
Whatever you do, just dont go to Belgium. They all churn out chadlite blonde trannies lol.

>>44406803
why do you endlessly make posts and comments about yourself? Good job on your achievements but you're obviously trying to bring attention to yourself by saying the same shit over and over.

>>44407306
I see. I also wanna ask, did you facepass before ffs? Or just kinda - sometimes yes sometimes no?

>>44407403
>did you facepass before ffs?
No.
>Or just kinda
Only in favorable lighting or with excessive effort.
>>44407396
>endlessly
I made three posts in 8 years. One in 2018, one in January 2026 and this is the third. Hardly endlessly, don't you think?
>you're obviously trying to bring attention to yourself
God, I hope not.
I do however try to bring attention to the methods that work and divert attention from meaningless bullshit that is a total waste of time and makes trannies' lives worse.

>>44406960
without any disrespect for every disciplined nonas there's loads which have weaker mentality that get rekt. sometimes it's not because they're a moral failure that on their own choosing. Perhaps fate or upbringing wasn't so kind to them.
Still, they have to learn to at least put effort where it seems to be wasteful.
Maybe they need to be taught, maybe they need compassion to heal their soul. But please don't instantly write them off as waste of human breath.

>>44406803
So happy for you! As someone who failed and is currently fat, single, miserable and old, I'm happy that you made it. I'm hoping that I can somehow turn things around before 40, but I'm not expecting much.

I stand by the fact that trannies getting FFS as "gender affirming care" is just an excuse to get plastic surgery and look hotter

>>44407490
>But please don't instantly write them off as waste of human breath
I don't. But when I'm told to kms because at some point in my lifetime my country joined the EU, one shouldn't expect my compassion to kick in.
If there's one thing I will never tolerate is this whole "muh privilege" bullshit. Nonas who make in a month more than I make in a year just through government benefits in their far wealthier countries get to call me names but I shouldn't reply in kind because... what? Neah, fuck that. Speak nicely and I'll gladly respond nicely.
>Perhaps fate or upbringing wasn't so kind to them
Neah. Fate or upbringing was brutal to me too. But instead of whining about it and blaming every single failure on what happened when I was 12 (or 5 or whatever), I just did the adult thing and moved on. Dwelling on the past is a choice.
>Maybe they need to be taught
Agreed. It's quite unfortunate though that way too often the teaching isn't then being applied.
Been trying for 3 months to teach a tranny IRL how to make up and she still fucks it up and instead of trying harder she's like "teehee, i'm such a retarded girl" as if that's cute. But it isn't.
It's infuriating how many people just want to be perpetual children. They dream about adult goals but then refuse to do anything in the direction of actually achieving them.

>>44407497
>old
Old is a state of mind. In 2017 I was told I'm too old to even attempt it.
There's trannies who started at 13 and still dont pass at 30 and there's trannies who started at 35 and pass by 40. Biological age matters, but nowhere near as much as it's made out to be on this board that is now dominated by underage newfags with a chip on their shoulder about age.
>fat, single and miserable
Unironically all 3 can be solved by taking long walks and forcing yourself to interact with people. It will be hard and cringe the first 100 times. But then it gets better.
>>44407539
>gender affirming care
I didn't use this terminology though.
Of course I got it to look hotter. I am a trannymaxxer.
Do keep in mind that I paid for it myself.

>>44407562
I agree that you can't, like, whine forever. that's will get grating. but not whining seems like you're not human either.
I think most people will move on from whining 24/7, the problem is, how long they gonna be doing that.
>Fate or upbringing was brutal to me too.
IDK anon I am trying to recover from a major setback, it has taken me several months while slowing getting back on track. I have no other support IRL and it's sorta tough.

how do you feel about the reailty that the mainstream public tranny sphere mostly hates transmaxxers?

>>44407637
>but not whining seems like you're not human either
Neah. This is what I like about eastern europe. Whining is heavily penalized in both men and women (while in the west it's only men who are told to toughen up). Whining should be reserved for private settings.
>most people will move on from whining 24/7
IDK. There's posters here that I recognize from 2017-18. They're literally in the same position they were when I said "fuck this. I got my information, I'll just do it instead of wasting time". Some of them no longer recognize my writing style but they recognize the type of advice and they're like "yeah, i've been told this before, but it's hard waaah" even though all of them are way better off socially and economically than I ever was until 2021-22.
At some point "no, you toughen up" is in fact the compassionate advice.
>I have no other support IRL
Then get it. Seven people knew me by name in 2017, including my parents and my direct boss. The 4 guys I used to hang out with shunned me when I trooned because they deemed me crazy. Zero support IRL is how I functioned until 2019 at age 25. The reason this changed is because in 2017 I started taking this seriously and bruteforced things. I stopped whining and spent nearly all my free time just getting into random convos with total strangers. That's how I picked up new friends.
Rotting online has a way lower ROI, imo.

>>44407676
I used to be upset about it. Now I just don't care anymore.
The "mainstream public tranny sphere" rejected me when I thought I needed them. Well, good luck now. Besides, in the meantime they "mainstream tranny sphere" did even more things to convince me not only that I don't need them, but never did in the first place.
You won't see me at a Pride event or on social media with a tranny pin. Now I'm legally a married woman. I find it funny when I'm lectured about 'tru tranny' by neets or theyfabs.
This is probably something everyone should start doing: ignore the opinions of people who don't care about you anyway. You don't owe them anything.
Oh no, I'm not "valid" in accordance to the opinions of some chronically online posters. You can imagine how much that affects me when I make my groceries list on things to buy so I can cook tasty dinner tomorrow night.

>>44406803
>will be post op and healed before my 10th trannyversary
So you did change your mind in the end?

>>44407396
lel

>>44406803
is this at rockstadt?
if so, what were some of your favorite shows from this year?
personally i liked cryptopsy, deafheaven, the prodigy, animals as leaders, lamb of god
>t. repper

>>44408929
Yes, it is at rockstadt.
I didn't even go to any of the bands you listed, lol. I'm way more into black and doom metal so I spent a lot of time on the Calmuc stage.
My favorites: Candlemass, Carcass, Wolves in the throne room, Sventevith, Machukha, Deicide, Insomnium and Godsmack.
Satyricon was a huge disappointment. It sounded really bad.

P.S.: Stop repping. Or you'll end up with my musical tastes :P

>>44408981
U seem like a genuinely nice person, just kinda the advice you give kinda neccesarily harsh

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>>44408998
>just kinda the advice you give kinda neccesarily harsh
Tough love actually works. And way too many people (not just trannies) are so deep in a bubble choke full of bullshit and unrealistic expectations (and a plethora of outright false beliefs about life and society) that tough love is very necessary.
>genuinely nice person
Thank you, though I wouldn't go that far. I mellowed quite a bit in the last 2 years or so. Dropped the resentment and started enjoying life. Would be nice if I could help others to avoid some of my mistakes but, alas, it seems everyone needs to learn the hard way.

Anyway, enough about me. Why do you rep, anon?

>>44409165
NTA... but I have seen you around the KafBlade and Firefly HSR threads
>Tough love actually works. And way too many people (not just trannies) are so deep in a bubble choke full of bullshit and unrealistic expectations (and a plethora of outright false beliefs about life and society) that tough love is very necessary.
If advice can actually affects the brain directly, things are going to much easier for every of us, don't you think?

Tysm OP. Your posts a month ago made me start scheduling FFS. Had consultations with several places and figured out budget stuff, just have to choose one now and get the dates. Should be getting it this winter hopefully.

>>44409206
>around the KafBlade and Firefly HSR threads
If you mean the trannymaxxing threads, well, yeah. Of course I'll lurk in threads that may be about things I already did. I also try (maybe not always successfully) to bring a positive and hopeful spin in this immense sea of doom and gloom.
>If advice can actually affects the brain directly, things are going to much easier for every of us, don't you think?
Respectfully, I just don't understand what you mean.
>>44409232
I don't think I posted last month. But either way, good luck, nona!
Keep in mind that "more expensive" doesn't necessarily mean "better". Always advocate for yourself and when unsure go with the more conservative option. Better to need a revision than to be permanently botched.

>>44409287
>If advice can actually affects the brain directly, things are going to much easier for every of us, don't you think?
Basically if someone's advice dont have to deal with ego of the person being advised to, or just have to fight against their preconception, I think you wont encounter bitter people, alas thats not how human works

>>44409287
Yeh, I’m trying to convince family of the expensive != better thing bc they want to be involved in it just out of worry. I thought it was you maybe it was the other mef poster.

>>44409311
Sorry, but no. That is how humans work.
>if someone's advice dont have to deal with ego of the person being advised to, or just have to fight against their preconception
How do you do that with trannies who refuse to leave their homes but endlessly whine that they have no support network?
I'm sorry but there comes a point when the ego itself is the problem.
How do you advise anyone without challenging their preconceptions? I see this IRL all the time.
I finally have a happy tranny friend. That happened because I ruthlessly challenged her preconceptions and demonstrated at length that I'm right and her online "friends" are a bunch of shut in retards who have no idea what they're talking about. And btw some of those "friends" are from this board.
She looks better than I do, arguably passes better than I do, yet until 3 months ago when we'd go out together I was always Miss Nona and she was assumed to be my feminine boyfriend. Enough of this humiliation ritual and she started taking my advice seriously on mannerisms and socialization. Lo and behold, she's now Miss Nona too. Even though her "friends" told her that I'm the crazy fake tranny and she should just double down on rotting in her room.
Same with my former friend group who shunned me when I trooned. We reconnected recently and they're still largely where I left them. Now they take me seriously and, lo and behold, they're actually improving, finally.
I'm not the smartest tranny in the universe. I admit that I'm a retard in many ways. But there are things that I learned the hard way and I will insist on those because they work.

>>44409452
As a shut in retard tranny how should I improve? I’ve been this way way too long to admit all my adult life. I have a job but no social life and don’t know how to fix myself

>>44406960
Mы и тeбя apтиллepиeй нaкpoeм paнo или пoзднo, luckshit eбaный

>>44409473
It's simple but not easy.
Bruteforce works. Usually the main impediment is the internal sense of self that tells you "this is cringe". Well, I say the opposite: BE cringe. Get into random convos with random people. At the bars, at festivals/concerts, public events,... everywhere.
It will be cringe, yes. You will fuck it up for at least several dozens of times, yes. But that's okay, you won't see those people again.
But by the 100th attempt, you will suddenly get better because every iteration teaches you what doesn't work. By the 1000th attempt you'll pick up the first pal. From there on it gets way easier pretty fast because that pal probably has another pal. And before you know it you have a social circle. Not a great one, but already way better than the starting point.
Once you master that (and defeat your internal fear of approaching people), you move to the next level: approaching cis women specifically in order to be in their circles. Yes, this one is harder and comes with a lot of variation by culture/geography even in the same country. Like at first it was easier for me to relate and befriend working class cis women but not urbanite ones.
In my country there's a say "luck comes to the strong" and it's shockingly true just on pure statistics. You can't have a social life if you talk to 3 people not-your-relatives per year. But you will have one if you talk to 3000, of which, yes, at least 2800 will ignore you or tell you to fuck off. But at least a few dozens won't. Not right off the bat anyway.
Integration into normalfaggistan is really one of fake it till you make it. It's an exercise of 99% discipline and 1% luck. Even the most unlucky still gets way ahead if (s)he does the 99% part.
This isn't even tranny specific. Works just as fine with men too as my recently reconnected incel friends are slowly finding out from their crazy troon (me).
>>44409520
I'm not russian and I don't live in russia. I'll be fine.

>>44409598
Of course you will be fine. Check your privilege sweaty, you didn't need a visa nor experienced discrimination in banking when paying for that sweet FFS of yours. Remote jobs are also gone now btw

>>44409598
couldn't you have just worked on your social skills without transitioning? it seems like that was the crux of the problem

>>44407539
It is. If it was actually necessary it would be covered by insurance for ftms.

>>44406803
>>met my now husband at a metal concert in 2022
Does he know you're a man and he's gay?

>>44411087
>Check your privilege sweaty
Yes, the immense privilege of working in a warehouse for 280 euros/month. Fuck you!
You also qualified for asylum if you're a russian tranny and thus qualify for gibs that will never be accessible to me. The programme ran from 2016 until 2024. If you're from UA/BY/west-balkans you don't even need a visa.
But of course, it's easier to seethe at others rather than look up for a way to advance yourself.
Btw, lots of russian trannies moved to Qazaqstan or to Srbija. You could do that too.
You do have options. But you prefer to whine and try to take down others.
>Remote jobs are also gone now btw
I'm working one right now. Technically hybrid but mostly remote. They're not gone. They're just no longer widely available in large part because most people don't like them (and for good reason, but that's a separate story).
>>44411128
What do you think I did from 16 to 23? It just doesn't work when you're short and invisible. Not threatening enough but also not cute enough. Just in the middle of the valley, completely unnoticeable. It's one thing to know the theory but it's another thing to apply it when you're invisible.
Things almost overnight improved as soon as I looked like a twinkhon. Went from zero attention to a bit too much of it.

>>44407138
> The exact same job that I applied for in early 2021 as legally male and didn't even get a phonecall back, was more than willing to interview me and give me the job in 2022 as legally female.
Kys retard

>>44411167
I'm not srsoid yet. And yes, of course he knows I'm a trannymaxxer. And he's a bifag. I don't have the brainworm that he must lie or contort himself into claiming he's "straight".
>>44411144
It is covered for both mtf and ftms in Finland and Italy (possibly others too).
But, generally, facial surgery for pooners is cheaper anyway and the services offered through the private networks are way better than those through state hospitals.

>>44411192
keep seething <3
I will also apply to one of the EU's female-favoring affirmative action programmes for female entrepreneurs later on this year.
Got the idea from Spain. See here: https://www.cope.es/programas/la-linterna/monologo-de-exposito/audios/apicultor-palencia-dice-mujer-no-cambie-sexo-cobrar-subvenciones-ayudas-agricolas-20260319_3330250.html

And here: https://nypost.com/2024/03/06/world-news/spanish-soldiers-changing-gender-to-female-for-added-benefits/

Crazy that Juröpoors have to save for 10 years to go to FT when I just got it via health insurance for a few hundred bucks. And I thought a 1 year wait list was tough...

>>44411209
That’s not what I’m saying, I’m literally just pointing out that you’re retarded for not realizing the change was an increase in work experience, not your persecutory delusions.

>>44411220
>save for 10 years
More like 8 (including the period I paid for the credit/loan). Excluding the payments I made after the surgery (which in itself increased my income), I saved aggressively for 3 years. Harsh, but still less harsh than going through the official insurance.
It is what it is. I could've whined about it.
>And I thought a 1 year wait list was tough
FFS through state health insurance in Europe is available. But the waitlists are very long, the bureaucracy is a total nightmare to navigate and the quality of work is subpar, to put it mildly.
To give you an idea, the median waiting time until you get the first consult is 2 years. Up to 5 years until you get the surgery done. And that's in tranny tolerant countries like Spain, NL or Finland. Even longer in Eastern Europe. Yeah, it's "free" but it's also poor quality and you lose 5+ years of an already short youth.

>>44411186
I'm a short guy and I've never felt "completely unnoticeable." But I'm good at socializing when you clearly were not.

>>44411239
I had the exact same resume with just the name and gender changed, anon.
>an increase in work experience
By 3-4 months? Because I didn't work at all from September 2021 till February 2022 when I reapplied. There was no increase in work experience, anon. The exact same HR officer made the opposite decision based on the fact that it was Mr. Anon vs Ms. Nona applying.
My current job also has women-only shortlists (and I am on one of them). I expect to be promoted in a few months ahead of at least one better qualified man. These things are very common and very upfront policy most of the time.

>>44411280
How short? And what country? Context matters.
Be that as it may, congratulations for making it where I failed. I mean that sincerely. I also don't regret my choices and have slowly moved on from the resentment that the exact same people who wouldn't give me the time of the day in 2017-18 suddenly wanted to be my friends from 2019 onwards.
It's not about how I felt, anon. I was very literally unnoticeable. I hadn't even gotten to change much about myself from the autumn of 2017 till the spring of 2019. But just looking more fem sped up everything.

>>44411303
I'm 5'7" in the US. but I also have an attractive face, I'll admit that helps. you must've been butt ugly before FFS.

>>44411282
What a stupid thing to larp about

>>44406803
Gigabased, im happy for you Nona, we should strive for a future where every tranny can easily make it.

All the bitter girls shitting on her: if you put as much energy into your transition as you did into being miserable on 4chan you'd be happier. Don't deprive yourself by being an asshole to those you deem more fortunate than you

>>44411365
>you must've been butt ugly before FFS
Not very ugly. Just not cute enough.
>>44411366
Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's a larp anon.
Every company larger than 250 people must have 40% "of the underrepresented sex" in non-executive positions as well. The so-called "women on boards" bill (passed in 2022) doesn't apply just to the boards, but to most levels of any company larger than 250 people.
Read: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20221118IPR55706/parliament-approves-landmark-rules-to-boost-gender-equality-on-corporate-boards
There's a fuckton of laws and regulations like these that quite literally give women a leg up in almost all aspects of life. And yeah, of course I'm going to take advantage of as many of them as possible now that they apply to me as well.
In fact, my success depends on as many people as possible believing that this isn't happening. So I won't try to convince you. It is to my advantage that you believe this is a larp.

>>44406803
I'm eastern european too, but I look like a hairy monster

>>44411614
NTA but the hairy part is easy to solve.
I looked like a fat gopnik in 2022. Like the literal stereotype - tracksuits and zero haircut and everything. I don't want to troon but it's amazing how things can improve once one takes his/her body a bit more seriously. I lost 15kg, started shaving my body, got on dut, let my hair grow a little bit, started dressing in something else than tracksuits and now I actually have a gf.
Okay, i was never an incel and I'm likely taller than OP (I'm 177cm tall) but it's quite amazing how many things can be improved for a guy with non-expensive tools.

>>44411662
I'm a tranny and I'm complaining about facial and body hair

>>44406803
would you have transmaxxed if you were tall?

>>44411694
Depends how tall and if that had made any difference. I'm 167cm tall. Would I have trannymaxxed if I were 174cm but still socially invisible? Likely yes. Would I have done it if I were not invisible and 174cm? Likely no. I just wanted to be loved, anon.
Would I have trannymaxxed if I were 180 cm or taller? Likely no because the maxxing part would've been unworkable if I had been too tall.
Thing is that I didn't even start with the goal to trannymaxx, but rather to just get cuter. The idea came 2 years later when things fell into place and I realized that I can in fact go all the way and this will work way better than I had thought.
>>44411691
NTA but laser works, nona.
Yes, it's a PITA and it takes forever. But it works.

>>44411787
I've got like 8 sessions on my face already and I still need more, not even talking about the fact that my body is just covered in body hair, every inch of my body has hair on it and it's disgusting, this can never be removed permanently

>>44411809
>this can never be removed permanently
NTA but electro exists.
I'm >>44411662 so not a tranny but I got my chest and facial hair permanently removed like that. I think I shaved my chest twice in the last two years. And I don't take estrogen.
These things work. If it worked on a gopnik like me, it will sure work on a tranner as well.

>>44411840
I don't have a lot of money, I barely got paid for my job, and right now I'm jobless

>>44411857
Fair enough. In my corner of east europe it's between 60 and 70 euros per hour. Pricey, but not excessive.
I also did it in installments because I fell for the meme that it's somehow bad for a guy to resort to these kinds of things.
>right now I'm jobless
So am I, lol. The project ended last month and I'll be jobless at least till mid September. Oh well. I might go to Greece to work in the tourism industry temporarily. A cute faggot may get some nice tips in Greece.

>>44411200
>I don't have the brainworm that he must lie or contort himself into claiming he's "straight".
Based.

>>44411958
NTA but is the criterion to be based that low these days?
I mean it literally stands to reason that as an androphilic tranny the best dating pool are bifags, not straggots. What am I missing?
t. roonmaxxer of a sort

>>44411897
I wish you well nona