another one bites the dust
>>44408479yms was always a queer YouTuber. what is this thread?
Yeah adum has always been public about being a gay furry I don't know why you're so surprised This is literally his fursuit
>>44408479dude has defended bestiality but the nails are taking it too far?
>>44408617what? when?
>>44408625He said something to the effect of "consensual sex between humans and animals is less problematic than the meat industry" and when called out on it he doubled down on what he said. Him starting from the premise that consensual sex between animals and humans is a thing kind of says it all. He even went into detail, explaining how a human might perceive consent from an animal lol
>>44408730>consensual sex between humans and animals is less problematic than the meat industrythat's not unreasonablebut I guess it's a bit weird if you talk about it a lot
>>44408730oh.... I see...
>>44408761Animals can't consent to sex with humansGranted, I don't think Adam is fucking dogs or horses or anything. I just think he's a lolbertarian with brain damage from all the drugs he used to do (still does?) who would defend a position like that on main out of autistic principleI think he still gets really butthurt and defensive when it gets brought up
>>44408801>Animals can't consent to sex with humansanimals can't consent to industrialized slaughterI do think industrialized slaughter of animals is worse than raping an animalkinda in the same way that industrialized slaughter of humans is worse than raping a humanI don't see why it would be different for animals
>>44408479>>44408801>>44408817I'm gonna stay out of this argument... :panyways, yeah yms is like a gay furry or something.
>>44408817For the sake of argument I will grant you that from the perspective of the animal the abuse of industrialized slaughter and inter-species rape morally equivalent on some level. I think the rape is obviously worse personally, but I'll just grant you that and move on.If the two acts are morally equivalent from the animal's perspective, consider the perspective of humanity. For humanity, industrialized slaughter is, on some level, good or at least useful. It makes meat more available and affordable. Animal meat is, by far, the most nutritious food source for the human organism. It makes people stronger and more intelligent.In contrast, humans raping animals serves no need. It corrupts people with anti-social perversions and spreads diseases between species. One could go as far as to say it is a violation of natural law.Bestiality is such an obviously bad thing that it is one of those things that triggers a visceral gut revulsion in probably 99% of people. Feeling compelled to defend it in any way, and not even anonymously, is sussy and retarded as was his equivocation.
>>44408894this is basically what he said too iirc i think the people who say he was defending bestiality are misconstruing his argument
>>44408916Nah he kept doubling down. My argument is basically verbatim what Null from KF told him, though. This was all a back and forth between the two in youtube comments some years ago.
>>44408916Dude I stopped watching this retard almost a decade ago at this point because his argument was "you can clearly tell that a dog consents to sex with a human". The factory farm stuff is post-hoc cope
>>44408996THANK YOU, exactlyThat was the point lol, he said a dog gives consent signs while being raped
>>44408894for the sake of argument, the idea of anti-social perversions, "corruption", and violation of natural law are just moralizing arguments to try to make it seem worse in some arbitrary likely religious moral framework in which some acts are worse because they just arespreading diseases is fair, but normal sex also spreads diseases. There are ways to have safe sex without spreading diseases, regardless of partner diversity. I think it is very difficult to imagine that any act of any kind towards just one individual can be equated to breeding billions of individuals in a machine that raises them to the minimum age and slaughters them, and then repeats for every next generation. Can you really say that if aliens came to earth that you would rather them put billions of humans in factory farms than rape a human? I don't see why this would be any different for animals than for us. I also think that the visceral gut reaction towards the question only demonstrates that we live in a culture where one of these things is normalized and participated in by most people, and one of these things isn't. We don't have to see where meat comes from, it is easy to not think about it. Rape on the other hand is a very charged subject for people, and subject to strong emotional responses. Bestiality is also like this. but furthermore, I think it's entirely wrong to say that all interspecies sexual relations are human raping animal. There are plenty of cases where an animal has raped a human. Is an animal raping a human also worse than industrialized slaughter?
>>44409008>for the sake of argument, the idea of anti-social perversions, "corruption", and violation of natural law are just moralizing arguments to try to make it seem worse in some arbitrary likely religious moral framework in which some acts are worse because they just areCorrect. Some acts literally just are worse and pretending they aren't isn't All moral arguments rest on the same arbitrary grounds. Agrippa's trilemma demonstrates this clearly, which leaves us with preferences. I prefer a society where people don't rape animals but I get to eat a nice steak or piece of fried chicken on the regular.> Can you really say that if aliens came to earth that you would rather them put billions of humans in factory farms than rape a human? I don't see why this would be any different for animals than for us. The difference is humans are not animals but have a divine essence and aliens aren't real and to the extent they are they're just demons or the government playing pretend. >I also think that the visceral gut reaction towards the question only demonstrates that we live in a culture where one of these things is normalized and participated in by most people, and one of these things isn't.Things being normalized and stigmatized by a culture is not some arbitrary accident, it is the result of generations of folkways (residues) ossifying into ideological constructs (derivations)>Is an animal raping a human also worse than industrialized slaughter?Is it still bestiality? Oh it is? Then yes it is still worse. Relativism is such a midwit stance. Get real guy
>>44409068>>All moral arguments rest on the same arbitrary groundsnot really. I think that mass murder is worse than rape because it is more permanently harmful to a greater number of people than rape. You can survive rape, you can't survive murder, it's not an arbitrary basis. Meanwhile there are very many things that have been called "corruption", "perversion", and "gut revulsion" before, and many of those things are now normal today. These are words with arbitrary basis, not real arguments. When you say "all morals are arbitrary anyway" you're conceding. >I prefer a society where people don't rape animals but I get to eat a nice steak or piece of fried chicken on the regularme too, but I'm not going to assume that just because I like it that it's moral. >The difference is humans are not animals but have a divine essenceoh never mind I've been wasting my time lolyou're retardedanyway if a dolphin raped a human but the human consented halfway through, who is actually getting raped here? (surely social privilege dynamics will be important in the answer)
>>44409185>not really.No they really do.Question any truth claim, moral truth claims included, and you will eventually be forced to collapse your argument down to an argument from authority, a circular argument or a bald assertion. I'll wait for you to show me otherwise.
>>44409225I'm not going to play 20 questions with you, mr debate club
>>44408817I think you should kill yourself if you fuck animals or even humor the notion, I think it’s no different than pedophilia and easy to say I genuinely believe it’s a good idea to for every pedophile to probably kill themselves
>>44409249Because you know I'm right. Your moral preferences are on equal epistemological grounds with all others. The difference is you prefer a world with more dogfucking rather than less and I do not and that makes me inherently superior. Also you're a materialist (lol) which makes you a laughable midwit regardless
>>44409269>>44409276notice how you can only use emotional arguments and refuse to justify your positionsyou probably have gotten mad about vegans existing irl before
>>44409320First off two different people lol, wrong againSecond off, they aren't emotional arguments. It's freshman philosophy buddy. Now, if you can reason yourself into dogfucking, what Good is reason? There needs to be a deeper, eternal, perennial basis to Truth, Goodness and Beauty beyond autistic rules-lawyering and THAT is why you are a midwit. So is Adumb, for that matter.
>>44409355>It's freshman philosophy buddy.someone should have told every philosopher since agrippa I guessagrippa's dilemma applies to all causal justifications in general. But to say that agrippa's dilemma discounts all morality and ethics is like saying that zeno's paradox means motion is impossible. Of course, if you had read anything more than freshman philosophy you might know that discussion of ethics did not actually end after the greeks. it's total nonsense and you've regressed to Truth, Goodness, and The American Way for some reason it's very pathetic.
>>44409407And you've once again demonstrated how midwit you are.Truth doesn't change. That's what makes it Truth. If dogfucking was wrong during the Greco-Roman period it remains wrong today. No amount of agonized moral reasoning will change that because it is a bedrock, perennial, transcendental fact of existence that humans ought not fuck dogs.
