search your feelings, you know it to be true
there's a word for identifying with your agab and you're not going to like it
>>44432624exhibit A
>>44432628i'm sorry for oppressing you mx amab
>>44432636>exhibit BIf I just said enby you would assume I am talking about theyfabs, the least oppressed group in lgbt. Specificity is necessary.
it's the opposite, amab enbies are the most oppressive force.people hate us because we're useless which is the most threatening thing a male can be female bodies, once raped by patriarchy into usefulness, are now commodified by surrogacy, consumerism, and attention economicsmtf transition is recuperated by markets and movementsthe existence of males who opt out of both manhood and transhood is the ultimate threat to society because it is passive and wants nothingit cannot be cured because it is the curesociety is desperately panicking for a way to fight us because we are the only ones left with a grasp of the undomesticated impulse of life, to exist without extrinsic meaning or purpose, which drives individuation, which is what all else gravitates aroundon its own, a single amab enby can be naively ignored, but critical mass has passed, and there is no hope left for the differentiated of old, who are now panicked over the amab enbies' inaction. the world's values are now already being redefined by this silent negotiation happening at the intersection of what amab enbies permit. tl;dr when males opt of masculinity the broader market must make accommodations. what feels like oppression is actually the opposite.
>>44432624but I don't
>>44432605>enbiesGay, born that wayTrans, born in mismatched body. Enbie?
>>44433215>female bodies, once raped by patriarchyPSA. People who've been sexually assaulted don't like the word being used outside of its SA meaning. It's triggering.
>>44433479i was referring to when women were literally property and sold by their fathers in arranged marriages but i should have said coerced, sorry
>>44433445born that way
>>44433479ive been raped and im not a stupid little bitch about it. capitalism and the state rapes bodies, factually rapes
>>44433215What is your definition of amab enby? Do you include the broadly transfem? The cis men on hrt? The theymabs? I feel as though for a demographic to matter a static understanding must be met.
>>44434389good question! sure there are transfems, cis men on hrt, and theymabs. there are people who cant pass as cis for either gender. but maybe they want to, and so society has a place for them and their journey, or they create it.then there are people who may pass as cis but reject conforming to the male social role while also rejecting transition. they might be entirely outwardly invisible and only nonconforming in their internal identity. does society have a place for them, or is every interaction an unspoken negotiation?maybe its a combination of both.>males who opt out of both manhood and transhoodinternally identifying as neither man nor woman, and also being visibly queer, but in an illegible manner that also has plausible deniability to both gender essentialists and abolitionists? you could interact with such people every day, feel the friction, but be unable to act on it without being the one who committed the social faux pas. thats passively enacted social change. when reaching for a label is more awkward than just accepting someone as they are, it makes you resort to treating them as a human first.so asking and answering your question is really the whole topic at hand isnt it? trying to answer it (society handing a man his definition for him) is how patriarchy exerts its power on amabs, that's the recruitment process, and failing to answer it (amab refusing to cooperate with being defined) is where nonconforming amabs exert their power over patriarchy.we know what men and women want from one another, but what do amab enbies want? what they want is to be undomesticated by linguistic capital. the identity is necessarily undefined by language because to label it is to reduce it, which defeats its purpose: the private soul eluding domestication via public language. the public, fixated on defining the illegible, is forced to have discussions attempting to define it, so that it can recuperate it. its like cat and mouse and the amab enby is the mouse
>>44436028>thats passively enacted social change. when reaching for a label is more awkward than just accepting someone as they are, it makes you resort to treating them as a human first.some of the most based reasoning I ever heard, I actually didn't consider this fuckery specifically until I read thist. amab trans enby
>>44437758<3being more human and having relationships that respect that is the ultimate goal of it all
>>44436028wait really basedcan i join your religion
in my case I'm probably mtf but also autistic so I know I wouldn't be very good at being a girl just like how I'm not that good at being a guy. gender comes with social expectations that I don't want to constantly be pressured into meeting. also I know I'd be too anxious about passing if I actually transitionedI mostly just don't want to be a man so being a theymab is perfect for me
>>44439828yeah sign me up to your newsletter too plz op
>>44433215hate to be that guy but its not that deep. people will ether see you as a faggy man or just a woman depending on what you look like. genderlessness is not earthshaking because androgyny is fickle
What the fuck is the point of being an "amab" enby?? What are you getting out of being non-binary. That's a humiliation kink. Just transition all the way to woman, you'll find more community that way even if you don't pass
>>44441092did you read and comprehend any of it or did you just.. idgaf
>>44432605>>44436028Holy based. I'm a recently enlightened amab transfem, and I came to a similar conclusion recently, about the reality of my internal identity being more complex than any cis ideas, yet it being practically pointless and reductive to identify myself with any cringe prescriptive niche queer labels. Attempting to live vicariously by being called ma'am is an act in both futility and self infantilizing misogyny. These things are just oppressive social masks like manhood was, and being recognized and loved as a wholesome individual was always the goal. >>44441395>exhibit C:
>>44433479you are on 4chan.
>>44436028Nona do you have a discord or something? I feel like >>44441459 we'd be good friends or at least have interesting conversations
>>44439828>>44440857aw ty:) im just an anon though :') im glad what i wrote resonated with you two!>>44440781i feel the same way too but i think even if i were afab i would still be nb for these reasons>>44441092the deep part is the internal work to protect your sense of self in a society that wants to categorize you, and accepting what you said (how people see you) is going to happen without losing yourself to conforming to it. we have to decouple our sense of self from how we are seen since it will never be a perfect mirror. then we dont get triggered being misgendered, and dont try to control how others see us, and instead respect that everyone sees the world differently, and thats a good thing. its also easier to mask when you need to without feeling like its a betrayal, its just a necessary part of life, while not forgetting its only a mask. and also the best relationships are those where no effort is needed to "translate" yourself to begin with anyway. by accepting myself and knowing language cant define me, i also know language cant define others, so i become unbothered by people "not making sense" as they "should" and my relationship with language shifts from using language to define how people "should be" toward seeing it as the imperfect medium it is to communicate with others as best we can. its putting humanity first.>>44441395the point is that i dont get anything out of it. its not humiliating and its not a choice, its simply who i am and how i feel. if i felt better as a binary mtf i would transition all the way, but there are parts i dont like and i dont like how what you describe feels transactional. its exactly as >>44440781 and >>44441459 said>>44441459ty! i agree totally. its great to know im not alone feeling this way, and actually feeling like its more empowering>>44442935yes i do and i'd love to but i dont want to post it publicly here. if you dont want to post yours either heres a throwaway email guzzler.iron1g@icloud.com
>>44444699unbelievably based. i have felt that language is a spook and (at least in conversation) is just a bonding ritual like bird calls or peacocking. most people’s speech is just an expression of their emotions and the “logic” is a lucky byproduct (like the split brain hemispheres experiments), some empty intellectualization/rationalization. it is virtually impossible to truly define anyone in words alone. everyone comes from their own context/environment and as a result they each have their own worldview and preconceived notions that have been pavloved into them. in my experience listening only to the words people speak and never the emotion or context leads to people rarely if ever making sense. most animals do not have a shared “language” like human speech but are still able to communicate through expression, language has increasingly become a tool to divide and control instead of one to relate and connect with one another
