https://annelawrence.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Lawrence-2013-men-trapped-in-mens-bodies-book.pdfhttps://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/JMichael-Bailey/autogynephilia.htm#:~:text=Blanchard%20believes%20that%20autogynephilia%20is,self)%20rather%20than%20the%20outside.here are two of some resources ive read and alongside realizing i had the most AGP coded memory from when i was 5 years old i just came to the conclusion that yeah i actually am a real AGPis anyone else here also an actual AGP also trooning out cuz YOLO
am AGP, not trooning out because the AGP will disappear when I do
mark lawrence was a doctorhe was assigned to sedate a woman (anesthesiology doc) and touched her clit without permission while she was sedated and lost his medical career over it and became a "sexologist" insteadhe had just gotten srs himself and was falling out with his colleagues over having come out as "trans" recently and perhaps this drove him to try to compare results
>>44438435best of luck>>44438439grim, still found lawrences compilation of AGP testimonies (havent read all though) and descriptions of what its like really relatable tho
>>44438453idk if luck will help I'm just caught in an inescapable situation
>>44438520is the inescapable situation derived from your AGP
>>44438539yep, it'll never end as far as I can tell
>>44438542ive heard you could try HRTrepping or troon or "develop your male personality more" whatever that means
>>44438557hrt repping made me feel like more of a man but it’s also too addicting to stop so now my whole existence is confusing
>>44438557i'd be fine with HRT if it didn't give me boobs, I have good pecs and don't want gyno
>>44438581i think if it makes you feel better you should just flow with it? and wym more of a man >>44438587does that pose a problem for you? like is HRT something you want you are prevented from getting cuz gyno fears or can you kinda lessen it
>>44438609like I feel like brain is pressuring me to be as masculine as possible. I never felt like that before hrt
>>44438623thats strange would that idea of being as masculine as possible conflict with your current HRT or can it take on a different form like just working out more while remaining on HRT?
>>44438609it's not something I want, it's just a hypothetical that comes into my mind associated with AGP. the only circumstance in which I'd transition would be if I totally passed and was attractive, and that's impossible. also I'm attractive as a guy and would be throwing away that advantage
>>44438424Me
>>44438654does that hypothetical make you lament anything>>44438657hi!!! hru? ur like actually AGP right
>>44438672well my only motivation for transition is erotic so I'm not yearning for womanhood outside that. and it's not constant, maybe once a day on average
>>44438724damn same but i think im analloerotic (mind blanks out when thinkg abt getting in a relationship w a woman in a normal normie "man" way) and really dont wanna john 50 some time down the line so just gonna try HRT and see how far i go
>>44438424>>44438435>>44438657There is no AGP. No male becomes a female. Trannies are actually AGAMP. The feminization ("transition") does not turn you into a female. You can never become gyne (female), you are gynandromorph (feminized male) therefore your feminization fetish is in fact AGAMP, not AGP.
>>44438424I don't even know anymore, I thought I was but I probably just self psyoped myself into thinking I'm trans and am actually fakeagp.
>>44438435nah it didn't, I still like having tits
>>44440788You're retarded.
>>44440788why stick to AGAMP then, just say AAP with that logic
>>44438424This AGP stuff is just a soothing impulsive self harm behavior and distance narrative for extreme autists who need to come up with a reason for how they're not really faggots but instead some kind of esoteric sick perverts.Getting good dick or passing better usually cures these delusions but even long after they've stopped actively being AGP these autists still will sperg out years later and tell you how they were one of the real AGPs.
>>44440818You think men can become women, (You) are retarded and your stupid feminization fetish make you even dumber
>>44441032You can fantasize about being female though, like idk why the transition is necessary there
>>44440821Because it is a FEMINIZATION fetish and the males which this fetish is all about are feminized (gynandromorph), they are not regular males (andro) anymore.
>>44441043Your sexual fantasy is not descriptive of any reality. That's what you don't get and stupid Blanchard did not help by calling you AGP instead of AGAMP (the factual description of your reality)
>>44441044That's agamp thoughbeit not agp>>44441060irrelevant
>>44441060Then how is auto-anything descriptive of any reality, they're all in my head
>>44441071I don't think that anon knows what "fantasy" means.
>>44438424Well, so far, I've:>worn women's clothing on multiple occasions>had several dreams about being a woman>experienced enough "I want to be her" moments that it's become almost routineSo, you tell me.
>>44441060You really are retarded. A philia is not a description of reality it's a desire, just like you're incel and homophilliac at the same time.
>>44441060diagnose me harder daddy
>>44441071>>44441088The naming is (or should be) the description of the reality, morons. You fantasy about "becoming female" does not make you a female, on the contrary... You guys don't care about truth and correctly name and describe reality through accurate speech. You want men to be named as women, because your sexual fantasies revolve around this. That's why you don't get it.
>>44441143Fuck off it's OUR word not yours.
>>44438424i thought i was "agp not trans" while essentially repping and being suicidal and a volcel, then i realized i'm just a tranny, started hrt, voicetraining, laser, learning makeup - and i was girlmoding and passing 6 months later, it's been 7 years since then so i don't really think "agp not trans" is a thing>>44438557>"develop your male personality more"i worked out and went to therapy for years while repping and I never brought up the whole "i sorta wish i was a woman and I can't jerk off unless I imagine i have a woman's body and I'm hot" thing. developing as a man couldn't cure the tranny thoughts (nothing can)
>>44441124Exactly, your fetish is not descriptive of reality. But it should be correctly described. Therefore you are AGAMP, not AGP. And I'm not an involuntary calibate. You just love to be wrong.
>>44441151Your patheticaly deceptive words don't make you a woman tho
>>44441143>>44441154A paraphillia isn't necessarily descriptive of reality, nor was that ever a criteria for having one. What else would you call someone who has embodiment fantasies of being female, but not being a feminized male. AGAMP would not work in this scenario.
>>44441163Again irrelevant
>>44441164I'd check first if his feminization fantasies are not AGAMP at all before jumping to the conclusion that he's actually AGP, like Blanchard did. AGP would be exclusively and strictly heterosexual. So exclusively attracted to females that he can't even stand being a feminized male and none of his fantasies would have nothing to do the fact that he is a male, what I sincerely don't think would be the case, this is not even physically possible and fantasies, wishes, desires don't exist in a vacuum; they are dependent on physical reality.
>>44441213Well why don't we ask the kind anons in this thread. How many of you only have fantasies about being female but no fantasies about being a feminized male?
>>44438424yeah a couple trans mentrans women cant be AGP
Your fantasies about "being female" are the feminization fantasies of a male. This is the reality. AGP is a deceptive concept/description.
>>44441260I think you're being extremely pedantic
>>44441275And I think you want the truth to be hidden or even destroyed if possible. Your crimes are way worse than your annoyance with my arrogance.
>>44441295Crimes? Wtf are you talking about
>>44441313Crimes against truth and reality
>>44441318You're literally seething about people using their imagination.
>>44441260how does one come to a point in life where they're arguing about the definition of agp?how do yo identify anon?
>>44441260 >>44441335ngl this is a funny and strange thing to argue about, like how the fuck is making this kind of distinction even useful, as if being AGP hinges on the ability to be actually female
>>44441260plz tell me more about my fantasies
>>44438435The more female or feminized you are the less sexual you are. If you could really become a female your fetishes about "becoming female" would go away and you would not be AGP.
i'm the biggest agp
>>44441465I kneel
>>44441474i thought i was being a little modest with my answers wish it was like blade runner where above a threshold they just flag you and take immediate action
>>44438424They all want SRS, can't relate to that
if you're cisf or mtf and not sex repulsed you are by definition agp
>>44441557Agamp is a subtype of agp.
>>44441639I guess, though the distinction is useful
A castrated male is not a female
>>44441397>If you could really become a female your fetishes about "becoming female" would go away and you would not be AGPThat's when I realized I could never have had my ultimate AGP fantasy life as a teenage girl. The lust and longing are all a mirage.
>>44438424I was pretty AGP pre-HRT, or idk maybe I just had a thing for crossdressing, but it never felt the same as the dysphoria I feel now.Now I don't really experience any sexual arousal related to my more feminised appearance even if I'm trying full makeup/etc, and just generally feel distress for looking like a man even after trying so hard not to; any form of sexualised femininity seen in myself generally causes me revulsion as well.I don't think I'd qualify as AGP anymore anyhow; I tried to associate with MEF in the hopes fetishism would reduce the dysphoria, but it hasn't worked. I consider if I have any HSTS tendencies because I could never cope with the idea of being in a cisgay relationship, but I think a lot of my attraction to men is probably meta.It sucks because I wasn't AGP as a kid when my dysphoria first cropped up I only started developing AGP tendencies as male puberty fucked over my body, maybe a repression thing, idk. But now I'm just stuck with unexplained dysphoria and not really anything I can do about it.>>44441734I would rather be a castrated male than a patriarchal stereotype one.
>>44441734Honestly, I just think this whole argument is kinda stupid.I know being female is impossible for me; I know passing is probably impossible, but I am infinitely relieved that I am not treated the way I was as a repper.I would rather be beaten down on as a tranny as you want than wake up looking like I did as a repper every day for the rest of my life. Even as a manmoder people ask how I feel more; I look softer, people touch me at random, I smell better, women seem to be less terrified of being around me as a moid. They all still see me as a cis man, but they also don't treat me the same way, it's not enough to get rid of the dysphoria but I get at least melancholic comfort from knowing I killed off some of the male within.
>>44443527I believe someone like you really wants to be a male
>>44443527Repping is actually pretty easy when you completely give up on life and the idea of transitioning.
>>44443548Not really bear in mind i'm >>44443487. I'll be super honest about it, if you ask I'll give you the truth: I first "wanted to be a girl" (which was the best my brain at that age could manage) when I was 5-7ish because all my friends were girls and I wanted to fit in with them. I tried praying for it because that was all I could do, but it got me nowhere. I've been persistently dysphoric in some form since then.If anything, I just want to not be dysphoric.My sort of indifference over being called male is that it doesn't mean anything; I have XY chromosomes (which is pretty much all it means to be male), but no one can see them day to day, so they're not the thing causing my dysphoria. I still want to fully medically transition, get SRS, etc (I mean I'm recovering from FFS rn). I'm just forcing indifference over things people can't see and that I can't change.>>44443711Tried this for a full year after the first time I took HRT after I broke the first time (failed a year at uni from dysphoric depression), it didn't work, tranny thoughts came back, and my body was just more mutilated by T. I figured out male socialisation when I was 23ish only after I first took HRT but doing it made me miserable and the men around me at work etc repulsed me, they'd talk about wanting to rape people etc.I tried femboy/trap/etc coping when I was 16-20ish, but ofc testosterone made that impossible eventually.
>>44443487>was pretty AGP pre-HRT, or idk maybe I just had a thing for crossdressingI might have been similar to you here but I never really cross-dressed completely. I would just wear a skirt and sometimes lingerie or women's panties. never tried makeup>never felt the same as the dysphoria I feel now.??>Now I don't really experience any sexual arousal related to my more feminised appearanceI do, now I get off more looking at my body.>and just generally feel distress for looking like a man even after trying so hard not toI don't believe see myself as looking like a man, it was really part of my problem, I always look like a boy, but never look like a full grown man>I don't think I'd qualify as AGP anymore anyhowI think I have AGP in spite of the fact that I've always been attracted to males sexually. So I would not fit in the non-homosexual group>if I have any HSTS tendencies because I could never cope with the idea of being in a cisgay relationship, My only successful relations were with gay men and I wish I could have settled with being a gay man, maybe it is agp?
>>44443759I don't have XY chromosome.
>>44443813>I might have been similar to you here but I never really cross-dressed completelyI mostly stuck to just like stuff I could hide from my parents as a teenager but when I was in my own space at uni I started messing abt with makeup etc. Always had long hair as a kid as well.>??Now I get like BDD where (at least according to others) I percieve myself as more masculine than I am and it causes distress; before it was always like a mild discomfort, and now it's like idk just intense despair a lot of the time.>I do, now I get off more looking at my body.I struggle to look at mine; maybe it's because I don't pass or because of the BDD or because of any other number of things but all I see when I look at my body is how broad my ribcage and shoulders are and the marks from where I got fat when I was depressed, the fat I've still got to lose, the body hair I can never seem to fully get rid of, etc.>I always look like a boy, but never look like a full grown manIdk, people treat me more like a kid at 25 than they did at 23 when I did fully just look like a man but it's still definitively male. And I didn't really get to skip twinkdeath and aging into a man.>I think I have AGP in spite of the fact that I've always been attracted to males sexually.AGP can still apply to same sex attraction afaik; I'm bisexual, I think anyway. I've never slept with a guy (unless you count getting groped by them against my consent), I've slept with one lass a few times but we were kind of trauma bonding over S/A as teenagers and it was a screwball situation.>My only successful relations were with gay men and I wish I could have settled with being a gay manSame, or being in a straight relationship, but the things cishet women want from a guy are things that killed me to try.>>44443974Thanks intersexshit but I'm not talking abt your case. People don't police you the same way.
>>44443759Dang I'm currently a detroon repper at the moment, so this hits kinda close to home. The weight of transition is too much for me so I gave up. But to be fair I never gave it a proper shot in the first place out of fear and shame.
>>44444165I'm in this halfway space between HRT repping and actually transitioning.I had FFS all of 10 days ago, but I've not socially transitioned in any way; my family know but still he/him me, use my birth name, etc. Only one of my coworkers knows because they're an NB and we were talking about HRT.I'm sort of just medically transitioning and seeing if it's ever enough to make me semi-passable; I still work on my makeup, etc in private to see if I can get that down but I don't think I'll ever bother with a full social transition unless I was stealth.
>>44444181Still putting way more effort into it than I ever did, the farthest I've gone was take diy hrt and daydream about getting a whole bunch of surgeries I'd never be able to afford. And I wasn't even able to stick with doing that, so I think you should keep going nona.
>>44444212Idk, feels kind of pointless. I'm sort of apathetic and treating it as a hobby project I suppose. Trying to keep the stakes as low as possible in my head.
>>44444230I don't think that's a bad strategy to have, I guess my idea of low stakes is way lower than yours. Congrats on ffs btw, I hope it paid off and you recover without issues, giwtwm.
>>44438424Every tranny on this board has agp, with a few minor exceptions. The others have mef, shota fetish, and one or two hsts like Tris and Ava.
>>44444280Isn’t MEF AGP + pseudobisexuality
>>44438424It's fun to larp and all but reminder that blanchardism is fake and gay
>>44444295I don't even know anymore tbhdesu.
>>44444310But it's funny thobeit, and I have a parasocial attachment to Blanchard.
>>44444295Mef appears to be similar to agp but with a blatant humiliation kink, whereas AGP are usually very serious about wanting to be considered women and aren't as open with having a humiliation kink if they do have one. Not all AGP have a humiliation kink, and some are essentially straight male tops that never have any desire to behave like a woman at all beyond dressing like one. Agp are more narcissistic than mef i would assume.
>>44444310Idk how true it is but I love neurotically categorizing my thoughts and daddy Blanchard does that amazingly>>44444320I’m AGP but damn the entitled narc ones need to go
>>44444351it would be really great for optics if the narcs, peds, and fakers left. acceptance of trans women was growing steadily for 15 years, and then the autistic preds and psycho BreadToob rapist types showed up and ruined it
>>44444392I don't think this is true desu.With the best will in the world i just can't believe even the most optics nuke medical transitioners are responsible for the non transitioning rapehons who got moved into womens prisons.
>>44444392I wonder if AGP might be less stigmatized one day instead of just being seen as this sick perversion or outright denied of existingFuck the boomer unc sissies and their public optics tsar bombas though fr ONG
>>44444424Cismoid AGP demons straight from the ninth circle
>>44444464I don't consider rapehons to even be AGP, they are opportunistic transitioners, they don't actually feel dysphoria as psychiatric distress and they probably dont get arousal from anything other than being allowed to be rapey because they think (know) they wont be told no.
>>44444500BAKA
>>44444138We do have some similarities, but as I see it, I'm far more like a gay man than you. Mt best relationships were with gay men and I really don't want to be a woman, as much as I would like to be a really pretty feminine gay boy, who looks like a woman. I love being extremely feminine in personality.I don't want to have the periods or large breasts most women have, especially when they get older.. I don't want to have that kind of body. I also like my dick and I like having sex with it. I guess I wish gay men were more heteronormative?
>>44444310>>44444319Nothing I'm saying is taken from Blanchard and I'm not even sure if I have AGP. The only thing I'm sure about is that most gay men do not transition and maybe I shouldn't have
>>44441886Autogynephilia is the oroboros snake eating itself alive.
>>44446903What a cursed sexuality to be born with
