>>44442930
>>>/pol/

>>44442930
United Kingdom no doubt. british culture is literally built on bitterness and hatred. brits are incapable of shedding the tiniest bit of empathy while even some maga crazies can see that we dont deserve to die. brits on the other hand they'll cheer on criminalizing you in public as a "good thing" I genuinely believe that if a trans genocide in the uk the vast majority of people wouldn't oppose it. I wish I could escape this hellscape.

>>44444862
They think its funny that trans people get raped and killed, but tbf empathy doesnt exist in the UK, just sneering contempt

>>44442930
They call it "TERF island" for a reason

>>44442930
0 upvotes lol. the comments are probably full of people saying "what rights don't male bodied tranny rapist freaks have?"

>>44445163
How did you guess

>im not transphobic i just think these disgusting males should be killed

It's probably easier to be trans in a deep blue than in the UK but that's probably still better than say Arkansas

>>44445183
>Arkansas

I thought the worst places were Texas and Florida

>>44442930
the real answer is that anti-trans politics is stronger in the UK because feminism is stronger in the UK, because what trannies want is utterly inimicable to feminism. whenever there's a strong feminist movement it will oppose tranny-ism.

now you may ask, why is feminism stronger in the UK? well, that's because the USA had the civil rights movement and we didn't. black people and race sucked all the energy up out of the American progressive movement and turned American feminism into something people do on campus for a few years before joining the real world again.

>>44445313
>feminism is stronger in the UK
Feminism isn't stronger in the UK. UK feminists are just overwhelmingly cultural conservatives because they didn't evolve out of white upperclass feminism.

>>44445413
Feminism's much stronger in the UK. There are lots of lesbians and GNC women in UK politics, there are none in American politics. American women give much more of a shit about what men think and adhere more to patriarchal beauty standards, perfect white teeth, etc. American women don't do "men's jobs", British women do.

American women also have the world's most annoying voices because they fake being masculine and competent in the workplace with vocal fry.

> they didn't evolve out of white upperclass feminism.
You mean to say the US is "intersectional" which means putting black activists in charge of feminism.

>>44445413
>>44445454
Not forgetting, we've had 3 female prime ministers, the USA hasn't had a single female leader, obviously.

>>44445183
Arkansas is great if you pass well you can join a Christian denomination and live without any censorship

>>44442930
>>44445163
>>44445174
lol yeah
it's all just "we aren't anti-trans nobody actually cares about trans people, we just don't want biological men in women's bathrooms, what rights don't you have anyway?"

>>44445313
>>44445413
the reason feminists in america are supportive of trans women is because america has a much stronger history of intersectional feminism because of american race issues and class consciousness
on the other hand, feminism in the uk never had to evolve beyond "white women are literally the most oppressed people of all time"

>>44445566
Idk if that transphobic to you but that sounds pretty sober to me. Maybe check yourself?

>>44445495
delusions

>>44445608
no, it's because "feminists" in America are university professors living in cloud cuckoo land, "feminism" is an elite activity reserved for wealthy private college students before they go back into the real world and start looking for a man

feminists in Britain are regular women who, starting from the 1960s on, moved into the workforce, became activists, and secured a political presence.

>america has a much stronger history of intersectional feminism because of american race issues and class consciousness

you are correct that race issues have always prevented women's rights becoming a first class political cause in the USA.

american women don't even have abortion rights, you have never had a female president, you don't have anything like British or European feminism in America. women are an afterthought, rights wise.

>>44445656
classic feminist conflating women's rights with how many women are billionaire presidents
it's a very british view. You don't want to improve society for normal people, or even for yourself. You just want your guy in power so that they can hurt the people you think deserve to be oppressed

>>44445736
Having a female president may or may not help women (Thatcher didn't do much for women), but the USA's inability to elect one is a sign that American society is still patriarchal and anti-feminist.

As for the cope that "we didn't have feminism because we care about the working class", that's hilarious. No wealthy country hates socialism more or cares less about the bottom 90% than the USA.

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>>44445656
>you don't have anything like British or European feminism in America
British "feminism" is literally exclusively about hating men/trannies thoughbeit

>>44445413
feminism has always been upperclass, poor men have never had any privileges

>>44445812
All women's rights are secured at the expense of men. Rights are zero sum, by their nature. So sure, feminists have to hate men, to be feminists. Hating trannies is a dispute.

>>44445646
Hs I lived in Arkansas for 10 years post transition and think about moving back there all the time

>>44445566
>trans women have the same rights as any man

Except we dont, even if some giga passoid wanted to join a mens only event, she couldnt. No one can get hospital treatment anymore, its only just started. Most reddit tranners live in La La Land, they dont understand what the fuck is going on.

>>44445901
Well if it hadn't been for the Democrats going utterly bonkers over trannies after 2020, Trump would not have won in 2024.

"The Democrats are for they/them. Trump is for YOU".

Even if you hate Trump you have to admit that was fucking GENIUS

>>44445845
>Rights are zero sum, by their nature

No they are not, you stupid fuck. Trans rights and womens rights go hand in hand

>>44445912
No, they don't. Giving men larping as women any rights as women takes rights away from actual biocunts. That's what a right IS. A right stops someone else from doing something. Your right right to use the women's toilet stops women kicking you out.

>>44442930
in Britain you're talking about intellectual transphobia which is not nearly as toxic as American kick your ass translator

>>44442930
In the UK, we are cynical and bitter bastards. Yanks are pussies in the grand scheme of things.
But these together and you have hell (UK) and heavens toilet (USA).

>>44445910
>going utterly bonkers over trannies after 2020

The democrats did nothing for trannys, it was the Republicans who used trans propaganda to brainwash the public, Kamala said "follow the law", and that was that.

To be fair to Americans, they're stupid dickheads that fell for the They Them campaign, but once they realised how fucked up their lives were getting, turned on Trump.

Brits are even stupider and more servile than Americans, here politicians tell us to our faces, you will pay more for less, expect worse services, expect things to get worse, and Brits grumble and nod their heads, they will NEVER revolt against their masters, and they will lap up any old anti trans propaganda from now until the next 50 years. We already have entire cities were people are fed from bread lines, millions of children live in poverty, 40% of the population have less than £1000 in savings. And what do Brits say, nothing. Unless its to hate trannys.

British petrol is $10 a gallon, americans would riot over such prices

>>44445927
you have the right, as long as pl can't detect a difference then not really trying to detect it in a serious way, so if you pass well and fit into the natural height and weight factors, you're fine

>44445927
>Giving men larping as women

Why do terfs always have the most stupid of fucking takes

>x has the right to be free from torture
>OH WOW SO THAT MEANS Y IS GOING TO BE TORTURED

no, you stupid hag cunt, everyone can enjoy rights to privacy and healthcare equally

>>44445952
>The democrats did nothing for trannys

Wokeism was about worshipping blacks and trannies and liberals shoved it down our throats for over a decade in every institution they controlled.

Remember Elizabeth Warren saying in the primaries that she'd have her policy vetted by a 9-year-old trans girl and getting applauded?

>Brits are even stupider and more servile than Americans, here politicians tell us to our faces, you will pay more for less, expect worse services, expect things to get worse
That's a result of living in a country with an ageing population. We know the future will be poorer and worse than the past. Old people don't like things to change and the voters are old.

>>44445960
Then you don't need any rights.

>>44445963
>x has the right to be free from torture
Means you're depriving someone else of the right to torture.

>everyone can enjoy rights to privacy and healthcare equally
Privacy from men is a right women claim, which they lose if trannies can use their shit.

>>44442930
>Where do you think people are more anti trans, USA or UK?
The same reason why we have literal govern.ent campaigns telling men that they are evil rapists from the point of conception.
Feminism.

>>44446009
Yes I do I have the right to be who people think I am which is what I am to myself I don't want to be a tranny I don't want people to think I'm transgender

>every poster ITT except one is reddit spacing
it’s so over

>>44445462
The Prime Minister isn't an elected position. It's equivalent to the US Speaker of the House or Senate majority leader.

>>44445656
Notable UK "feminist" icons include:
>Billionaire who lied about being poor
>Academic
>Academic
>Academic
>Academic

>>44442930
The real non-bitterhon answer is that actual, economic leftism is stronger in the UK (it's an absolute dead letter in the US obviously, there's no country in the world where it's weaker except maybe like Liechtenstein), which means that leftoids have to distinguish themselves by going hard on identitarianism, this has been true since the 1960s. In the UK it's easier for a lefty to just say "no, that obviously isn't real, men aren't women" so there, the trans wave was more of a trend caused by pressure from the US simply due to being in the anglosphere. If you look at Europe generally the UK doesn't have an outlier position on trooning, some countries (Spain notably) are more liberal on trans issues and some (Nordics e.g., obviously the entire Eastern Europe) are more restrictive and medicalized. In Europe this is also not really connected to left/right orientation of the country generally, Poland is hard right and restrictive transmeds and Sweden and Finland are economic-left as fuck and restrictive transmeds.

>>44448608
>which means that *US* leftoids have to distinguish themselves

trump should nuke the UK for refusing to help us in iran

>>44448608
>economic leftism is stronger in the UK
>Thatcher was more extreme than Reagan
>destroyed England so badly the country has a lower quality of life than Slovakia
>the only industry that makes money, banking, pays no tax and writes the laws for the government
>tax at the highest levels in recorded history
>services at their lowest point in recorded history
>in the process of abolishing welfare

>economic leftism is stronger in Britain

Ok.

>>44448608
>"no, that obviously isn't real, men aren't women"

They say this in Britain because they can only understand simple slogans. "Men arent women". Its low iq, it requires no thought and theres a tinge of hate to it, so its appealing.

If you then explain to a Brit what actually constitutes what scientists define as biological sex, and how these things can be changed, a Brit becomes angry. They've run up against their mental well, suddenly the slogan seems a bit silly, so they double down.

And you cant appeal to their sense of morality, they have none. The 8th amendment of the US Constitution was a direct response to the insane cruelty with which Brits treated prisoners. This mentality hasnt changed at all, look at Brianna Ghey, the "moderate" position was if she never transitioned, she wouldn't have been killed, so Brianna was to blame for her own death. Almost all Brits think in this bizarre way, which i havent really come across in other countries. Theres a uniform of thought on this, which is unique.

Theres an eagerness to punish those who do not conform. For all the nonsense terf arguments, all of them lead back to this, a desire to punish those who do not conform and those who defy the Lord and the Baron

>>44446739
You should maybe shut the fuck up about any other country until American women even get basic abortion rights.

>>44449009
Even after Thatcher got through with us the UK is infinitely more socialist than the USA in most ways. We have a safety net. They don't.

>>44445236
Arkansas is def better than Texas, Florida, or Idaho.

>Colonial justice and British military discipline utilized severe physical punishments that inflicted torturous pain and permanent disfigurement. These methods were often public spectacles intended to terrorize the population into submission.

>Whipping and Flogging was a ubiquitous punishment for offenses ranging from petty larceny to religious dissent. Courts could authorize up to 40 lashes, but military commanders and slaveholders often exceeded this limit. The physical trauma was severe; in one instance, a woman ordered to receive 15 lashes for stealing clothes suffered significant bodily harm.

>>44449060
>the UK is infinitely more socialist than the USA in most ways

The average middle class worker earns less than ilitterate Americans. It isnt cut and dry. The UK is NOT socialist, its an aristocratic kingdom that permits the peasants tiny luxuries like not starving to death, in order to quell dissent.

We are now at the point where Brits hate the welfare state so much, they are demanding a return to Victorian times. You must pay more attention to these things. Read Pat McFaddens latest speech where he says "political will created the welfare state and political will can take it away"

>>44449060
Social Security is way more generous than UK state pensions, plus, we have food stamps, TANF, and almost every poor person gets free healthcare on Medicaid. All the blue states have more generous benefits than the feds too, especially in my home state. We also have a nationalized rail network still, kek.

>Mutilation and Branding were common for more serious or repeat offenses. Punishments included cutting off ears, slitting noses, and branding the skin with hot irons to mark criminals permanently. The English "Bloody Code" and colonial adaptations allowed for these disfigurements to serve as lifelong badges of shame and pain.

>Tarring and Feathering, while often used by patriots against loyalists, was also a threat and tool of violence in the era. The process involved pouring hot pine tar over a victim's naked body, causing severe blistering and burns, followed by covering them in feathers. In egregious cases, such as the attack on customs official John Malcom in 1774, victims were whipped, beaten, and forced to drink tea until they vomited, carrying scars for the rest of their lives.

>Ducking Stools were used primarily for women accused of being "scolds" (quarrelsome or gossiping). The victim was strapped to a chair and repeatedly plunged into freezing water, a punishment that combined the risk of drowning with public humiliation and physical shock

Beyond physical pain, the British legal system inflicted cruelty through the denial of due process and the use of archaic, terrifying judicial mechanisms.

The Star Chamber legacy influenced British judicial tyranny, characterized by "exorbitant fines" and "unchecked tyranny." Prominent Puritans like William Prynne were sentenced to have their ears cut off, be whipped, and be pilloried for seditious libel, setting a precedent for using the law to mutilate political opponents.

>Denial of Trial by Jury was a central grievance leading to the Revolution. The Administration of Justice Act allowed British officials to escape local justice, while vice-admiralty courts tried smugglers without juries. This deprivation was viewed as a fundamental violation of the rights of Englishmen, leaving colonists at the mercy of judges appointed by the Crown.

>Public Humiliation devices like the pillory and stocks were used to immobilize offenders in public squares. While intended as shaming mechanisms, they often turned cruel when crowds were permitted to throw rocks, rotten food, or even deadly projectiles at the restrained individuals. In some cases, offenders had their ears nailed to the pillory and cut off while standing in the device.

British Colonial Legacy and Global Laws

>Criminalization: British colonial rule established laws criminalizing homosexuality in many former colonies (e.g., India, Australia, African nations). These laws persist today, contributing to the stigma and legal persecution of LGBTQ+ people globally.

>Gender Binaries: British colonial administrators imposed rigid gender binaries and criminalized non-conforming identities (e.g., labeling hijras in India as a "criminal tribe"), which continues to affect gender non-conforming individuals in former colonies

>>44449144
We have actual free healthcare for all and our wages are much more compressed than the US. You pay 40% tax over the first 50K and 60% over the first 100K.

Social Security being generous is just another handout to already rich boomers btw.

>almost every poor person gets free healthcare on Medicaid
Bitch I know America very well, being poor is fucking miserable over there. Your country hates the poor, and by that I mean the bottom 90%. Most people are barely scraping by.

Modern UK Penal Policies and Transgender People

>Prison Placement: Current UK policies and debates focus on the placement of transgender women in male prisons, with critics arguing this exposes them to high risks of sexual and physical violence. Some advocates argue this constitutes cruel and degrading treatment, citing cases like Tara Hudson and Vicky Thompson.

>Policy Shifts: Recent years have seen a reversal in public opinion and policy in the UK, with increased restrictions on trans offenders and debates over the Gender Recognition Act. Critics argue these changes erode human rights and increase the risk of harm to trans prisoners.

>>44449177
>We have actual free healthcare for all

But we dont. A high court judge ruled that trans people don't have a right to healthcare, thanks Kiera Bell you cunt

>>44449191
tranny cosmetic dickchopping isn't healthcare, since it makes trannies worse off, it's anti-healthcare.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/paris-lee-placing-a-trans-woman-in-a-men-s-prison-is-a-cruel-and-unusual-punishment-a6923831.html

>>44449202
>Last year, Tara Hudson, then aged 26, pleaded guilty to a charge of assault. She was sentenced to 12 weeks in the all-male HMP Bristol. Hudson was born male, but has presented as female since her teens. At the time, she says now, "I was kind of numb because it was all really, really surreal." After being taken from the dock, she was put inside a prison van with men. "That's when I knew that there was going to be problems. The boys on the bus were so confused, it was really scary. The guards didn't know what to do."

>When the van arrived at the prison, Hudson was removed first: "It just erupted. There was cheering and people banging on the windows." In the reception, other inmates initially assumed she was a member of staff: "When they'd seen me being checked in, they were just confused, and then they were cheering and making comments. Because I've got quite a large bust, I couldn't hide

>>44449177
Your NHS is so broke that you have to have big open and gendered hospital wards like the third world. You never hear about trannies in hospitals in the US as a political controversy because we have hospital rooms. Our insurance which is either heavily govt subsidized or employer provided usually covers tranny surgeries too. Plus, our top tax bracket is 37% for income over like 650k, stop lying, and enjoy being poorer than Mississippi.

>>44449312
>usually covers tranny surgeries too.

Anons destroyed you there, imagine getting fucking hormones on the nhs, let alone surgery

>>44449206
>"Once it started to be on the news, they were shouting from every wing, and it was a large prison," Hudson says. She describes her experience as "scary" and says she had to move cells four times because of the harassment, which included sexual bullying: "I was bullied into showing my boobs on numerous occasions so they could touch themselves while looking at them."

>At one point, she says, she even feared she was going to be raped: "I was left unattended with a rapist in the communal room, and he'd been very suggestive. I just kind of, I don't know, used my people skills to fend them off as best as possible."

>>44449372
>Hudson is one of the lucky ones. Vicky Thompson was 21 when she took her own life last year. It was Friday 13 November and Thompson was alone in her cell in Armley, Leeds, in a prison full of men. Just before Christmas, reports emerged of another trans woman serving time in a male facility. She had injected herself with bleach and tried to remove her own scrotum through sheer desperation. "I cannot take no more," she wrote to the shadow women's minister Cat Smith. "I am a woman in a male prison and it is not right." Reading out the letter to Parliament, Smith also revealed that the prisoner had been raped and sexually assaulted during her incarceration.

>>44449347
None of that is healthcare so why should the state provide it?

>>44449312
>Your NHS is so broke that you have to have big open and gendered hospital wards like the third world.
Ew I might have to see POORS
We're very socialist btw :3

>Plus, our top tax bracket is 37% for income over like 650k, stop lying
Those are the UK tax brackets I was talking about
You realize that is a bad thing to tax the rich so little right. The rich should have the fuck taxed out of them.

>enjoy being poorer than Mississippi.
I can enjoy a society with a decent safety net, that isn't ruled by a fascist, where I can go outside without being shot, yes

>>44449386
Ah i see you aren't a tranny. Well enjoy your muslim grooming gangs.

>>44449386
Labour after Tony Blair isn't even socialist, just neoliberal.

>>44449394
Black pimps do worse than that to white girls every day in every American city
Americans who obsess over UK race issues are coping badly with living in a shithole where their own cities are black war zones

>>44449394
>Well enjoy your muslim grooming gangs.

Thats a terf hag, no one is raping it. Hopefully it kills itself soon

Brits never mentally recovered from losing the empire

>>44442930
Because bongs are subhuman.

t. American who descends from mayflower passengers.

>>44445454
>bong implicitly admits to her disdain for blacks

Baruch Hashem! I love being an American where racists no longer hide their racism and I can easily shame them for racists!

>>44445495
>joining a church in Arkansas

No thanks. I like having topography and prefer being part of religious groups where debate around scripture is encouraged rather than stifled.

>>44449545
it’s a large reason why they cant help but import their former subjects to create a little empire on their shitty island

>>44449942
Half of Arkansas is mountainous...

>>44445183
I’m in Arkansas and the UK looks like a cesspit from where I’m standing

>>44445495
>>44449942
Been there done that, stealthing in a church sucks and is super high pressure that you don’t get clocked. Just go to a progressive Christian pro-queer church
Also this >>44449965 Ozark gang gang represent

>>44449965
I stand corrected. Tbhonky my only experience with Arkansas was driving through it from Texas into Tennessee and on through to the mid Atlantic.

>>44449992
At least in Arkansas you can stay strapped. UK is so cucked that they’re starting to tamp down on knives ffs lol.

>>44449933
Racism*
I can’t type lmao

>>44449408
Listen, I’m an American who has thankfully never been to ol’ engulund, but having lived most of my life around blacks and Hispanics and having been deployed to the Persian gulf, I can confidently say that a bigger threat to white women is towel heads rather than blacks and half-breed Iberian redskins. Time and time again I’ve seen black American men emasculate themselves for the approval of white, mestiza/castiza, middle eastern, and Asian women. Same goes for Hispanic men and white women. It seems you get your understanding of American race and gender/sex relations from porn/bad (((Hollywood))) movies. Plus, you freaks (white liberal bri’ish women) seem to be the biggest shabbos goys for Isntreal, even though that displaces rapefugees into your shithole cities.

>>44445313
>because what trannies want is utterly inimicable to feminism
So you do admit what feminists want is exclusively priviledges and special treatment of females?

>>44445454
>American women also have the world's most annoying voices because they fake being masculine and competent in the workplace with vocal fry.
Half of womyn in your politics are wrinkly fat boys and the other is malnourished sunken hags

>>44445656
>regular women
*rich women
>prevented women's rights becoming a first class political cause in the USA
*womyn aren'y treated like holocaust and slavery and it makes me sad :( please bow to my 51% minority pweease
>american women don't even have abortion rights
You're trying to ban your own right now KEK
>you have never had a female president
You've had a female PM so shit there are yearly celebrations of her death...just learning from your mistakes, it seems
>women are an afterthought, rights wise
Oh, is the womyn pwincess going to cry?

>>44445777
>the USA's inability to elect one is a sign that American society is still patriarchal and anti-feminist
*not electing shoehorned cucks is a sign that america hates and rapes womyn o algo

>>44450148
Natal males and natal females have fundamentally different needs. If you weren’t an overgrown child, you would recognize this. Plus, if you honestly engaged in any material analysis of the disparities between males and females, you’d recognize, at least here in the states, the need for additional protections for women. Hell island laws allow women to rape men and not have it be classified as rape, and retarded bri’ish feminists will say “it’s only rape if it’s a penis in a vagina.” “Ok, Ursula, then Rajesh and Abdul shoving their dicks down your throat isn’t rape, it’s just ‘forcible oral sodomy.’” Man do I fucking hate the bri’ish.

>>44449933
>>44450062
either
>for being racists
Or
>for their racism
I need to go to bed lmao

>>44449954
Explains why they love rapefugees

>>44449197
>my unsubstantiated opinions because they did something I don’t like
Oi, u gawt uh loiscence fo dat opinion, lass?

>>44449088
Checked and good to know. Retards here in Texas behave a lot like the retards back home in Cali.

>>44448640
*tel Aviv liked this*

>>44445845
>me being unable to knock up some dumb broad, abandon her, and throw her in prison if she opts out of a retarded situation is oppression
Thankfully you will probably never reproduce. Thank the Good Lord for that.

>>44445812
Literal gibberish language LMAO!

>>44445777
>OI, MI WAURHAWUK PROIM MIN’ISTER HAS UH CUNT! HEAR ME pUSSY ROAR!
At least in America, women can carry guns. On hell island, what do you have in terms of recourse for self defense?

>>44445834
Delusional and childish understanding of the world

>>44448608
>(Nordics e.g., obviously the entire Eastern Europe) are more restrictive and medicalized
Nigger in most eastEU countries situation is much better than in Britain what are you on about?
>t. Polish
>restrictive transmeds
We have
>freedom to choose our own doctors
>freedom to change documents just a few months after HRT
>don't have retarded le single sex surveilance laws
>minors can access PBs/HRT (depending on doctor)
>you can change your name pre-legal sex change (passes in more libby cities easily)

>>44449197
Then giving females womb mutilation isn't healthcare too bitch. You're going to carry those paki rape babies to term, as it is your biological purpose :)

>>44450273
OI, UR OPPRESSIN HUR BY TELLIN HUR TO HAUV A SHITSKIN BABEH! LEEV MUH LILLEH WOIT LASS ALOUN!

>>44449386
>Ew I might have to see POORS
Everybody will love to stare at you as you piss yourself in the bed because of the fact wombynly nhs denied you the unnatural hormonee :3

>>44450278
why are the anti trannies all low iq retards, its obvious the median tranny is smarter than the median terf atp

>>44450298
Because obsessive anti-trannyism is an ideology that is appealing to retards and other subhumans.