Why do people act like cis femboys can’t be on HRT and still self identify as male?Yes some stupid people insist natural male aging (hello Norwood, pear face and viceral fat) is less uncanny on someone who acts fem and they either destroy their bodies with baseditis or groom femboys into being destroyed, but just as many do HRT even if they don’t like this gender stuff.
>>44474454stop caring what other people say about who you know you are? If you know in your heart someone is saying retard shit why are you trying to learn why they think their retard shit? Just live your life man
>>44474454social bubbles
>>44474494>>44474538We need an actual HRTwink faction/lobby since the arguments are mostly non HRT non femboys with Norwood and pear faces calling others on HRT uncanny and troons who don’t realize people can be on HRT and not really buy into the rest of this.There are cis femboys who deserve to know they can hrt and not be stripped of their male identity (and that it looks good so long as you mix it with cardio and skin care).
If they didn't, then there would be no point for 'cis femboys' to be on hrt and self identify as male. They would be that much closer to being seen as trans women, which is what they're trying to avoid.
>>44474454Femboys would accept male aging if they were cis. Femboys want to be female in every way except label.
>>44475415can you blame them? i hate foids. lowkey though hrt femboys are probably just trannies with low social dysphoria. t.ranny
>>44474454>>44474571in which lgbt communities did you introduce yourself as a nonbinary demiboy and get told you were not allowed?"hrttwink lobby" is some nonsense. You want to act like transmedicalists for a group that won't even claim being trans. You insist on not being in the club, but get mad that the club isn't including you enough.
>>44474571I agree, I think if the world accepted cis men on estrogen the world would be a better place
>>44475415You're trans just because you don't want to age a specific way?
>>44475430they lwk are just like hefabs if they were male
>>44475450Literally anywhere with theyfabsThey treat anyone Amab gender variant, nvmnd someone stealing their buzzwords as male predators The Only reason I got treated well was the theyfab thought I was ftm and called me goals
>>44475459i respect femboys more than hefabs though cause ive met femboys who respect trans women before
>>44475810Why would you want to be in trans communities if you're cis?
>>44475450> "hrttwink lobby" is some nonsense. You want to act like transmedicalistsAlso you sound aggrieved and like the people who say bearded bald men who have socially transitioned to women (men in dresses) and deliberately reject hrt are more true trans than boymoders Which is pretty laughable by transmedicalists do you mean people who say bald anti hrt men in dresses are not trans or hons who want HRT to only be available for true trans who RLE.Cause the anti troonjak faction is reasonable and the later anti HRT access faction is literal shaved basedjaks in heavy makeup and wigs trying to fuck over people who look more like women than them.Some males can like hrt and like looking fem but not want to forfeit their male identity.
Umm I mean some men want to be fertile lmao?
>>44475415If you want to keep your body in the way it has always been and estrogen dominance is the least bad solution then you aren’t trans.Your goal is keeping the status quo not changing it.>>44475833I don’t but just by in the past having ties to different fandoms or cossplay or whatever I’ve run into them.And I don’t deserve to be run out just because I’m male (I haven’t been, by freak luck they assumed I was one of them) but still, I don’t want to be stigmatized for being amab.Also my doctors think I’m trans (I lied) and they want me to be around such people. So maybe just to humor them.
>>4447457115 congresses of the transfeminized from now
>>44475888>calling yourself amab instead of maleWell yeah the male experience is being seen as threatening, especially by snowflakes like theyfabs
>>44475886Bank sperm. Wasn’t there literally a femboy/fem male/some type of male identifying anon in one of the cis man threads who got srs ffs and has banked sperm so he’s still fertile from a point of view.Also my balls aren’t permanently destroyed, they might be tiny but the doctor says I could probably regain fertility (I just don’t consider it worth the twink death creep that id take by stopping for any amount of time)
>>44475908They were dumb enough to think I was an ftm that made a successful jump to anime boy. They don’t know what they’re talking about.Or maybe they have a point since I’m probably a bad person even if not in the traditional sense.
>>44475918Okay on a technical point you can still have bio kids, but by fertile I mean shooting ropes that have sperm in them and can get a woman pregnant. There’s obviously something exciting and attractive to doing the real thing and being able to breed someone.I mean part of the appeal of straight sex is cumming but somehow avoiding getting her pregnant lol.
Don't age like a man, age like a Byzantine court eunuch instead
>>44474454i'll be honest, I really hate femboys who are anti-hrt like the right side of your picture, because it's harmful to other people, but otherwise I don't really care and just think it's an unsustainable identity and unhealthy, it's like you can't choose to be a gay male or a trans woman so you just exist in this stagnant state. 99.999% of the time HRT femboys just end up transitioning, in part because trying to be in male social role when you increasingly look like a woman doesn't make sense. A large part of your identity is shaped by how you look, it's like how your mind influences your body but is in turn influenced BY your body.
I mean most men do like running on testosterone lmao
>>44475457literally yes that's how it works
>>44475810>thought I was ftm and called me goals
>>44475810>>44476223>Patriarchy™, now for Wombyn!
>>44475890Greater feminine male iridentist movement >>44475908I low key think of (photogenic) mtfs as fellow feminine males separated by artificial borders but that’s wrong so instead I’ll just use amab as a way to construct a category that makes us kin.Tbf afab and others use it out of hate, to other and dehumanize you but I use it in the we are sibling taxa, with shared causes and natural allies >>44476005Byzantine angle iconography is based on them and they were the administrator class of the empire and made everything from clergy (up to the patriarch) to governors to generals. A far more powerful and prestigious group than their Chinese counterparts.
>>44476223I don’t think it was a particularly bad thing, they have anime boys and K-pop boys (who’ve gotten FFS to look the way they do) as their unrealistic targets for male and they also called me a femboy unprompted.But literally the only reason they were nice was because they thought I wasn’t an evil amab.
>>44474454>that imagetoo real
>>44474454nobody acts like this, this is made up to feel like you're oppressed
>>44476006What happened to pink in the comic is extremely BDD/angst inducing although the artist treats it as a joke. The real villains are the fat bald dudes that tell femboys becoming more like them is natural and better aging.Also, it’s totally possible to bind, keep hair short and present male forever. The “worst” case scenario is people accusing you of actually being a woman and going ywnbam but that’s mostly just funny if you like androgyny.>>44476326Quite literally causes BDD and wasn’t funny.>>44476345Every femboy trans war acts like it’s only mtf or non hrt and you all ignore hrt femboys (most who are not transphobic are a thing). Which is actually a disservice and keeps non hrt from realizing they can hrt even if they don’t want to be trans or identify as male.
>>44476259i want to be your friend t.ranny
>>44476345As a bi chaser whos gooned to plenty of femboys over the years, most femboy content creators either do one of 2 things when they reach a certain point. They either stop posting because they feel as if they are no longer desirable and feminine, or they transition. Seeing the former is genuinely depressing.
>>44474454who cares. if you wanna be a cis femboy on hrt, then be a cis femboy on hrt. why let what other people think bother you so much? Who gives a shit? if you know you're not trans, then you're not trans. simple as.>t. ranny
>>44476508Brain worm idea: once you lose cuteness it never comes back.Both of those are kind of a bad end. The better outcome would have been to already be on HRT. Twink rot will still happen (much more slowly) but the body will stay in an acceptable state.Pretty sure lots of femboys are already secretly on HRT and just deny it
>>44474454I didn't read your post because I am an adult and I don't give a fuck about children or their activities bbbbbbut->did the cat girl turn into a puppy girl in the comic and why?
>>44474454what is baseditis?
>>44474454why did hrt change her eyes from blue to black tho?
>>44474454they didnt draw the femboy nearly ugly enough
>>44476447Based>>44476626Soi itis (because onions face stereotype is bald, beard and excessive androgenic fat)Aka twink death. Aka the amab curse.>>44476619People need to know there’s a third option (take hrt without being trans) it will prevent lots of people getting wrecked who otherwise couldn’t take hrt Also dogs are emasculated so maybe a metaphor for black hair now identifying as female?
>>44476664You’re functionally the same as one
>>44476626Inflammation of the based gland due to STIs>>44476640Lol I didnt notice that>>44476664No the tie skip is wrong. It wasn't years later, it was later that year
>>44476686dont just say based be my friend
>>44476686its pretty easy to just not be fat though>>44476697>Inflammation of the based gland due to STIssounds painful
>>44476259>Greater feminine male iridentist movement some time later, its efforts undone by the glorious Seranoist Reconquista
>>44476728Baldness, beard growth and bone structure hardening is still a thing. By that logic, staying thin can prevent the negative effects of estrogen to a good degree.>>44476704I’m almost afraid to deal with the mainstream lgbt community after a “friend” tried gaslighting me into breaking/abandoning my identity by worsening dysphoria and then called me an evil predatory male after I did the opposite they wanted. The irony is I’m a little guy that has been on meds since adolescence and they were a communist mtf that is big, took hrt irregularly and sent weird me sexual messages (and they also have a bad past) when I care absolutely nothing about that.That has nothing to do with you at all and you hold no responsibility but it’s probably a sign that I really don’t belong in the lgbt community and my male identity (and also being amab) puts me at extreme risk in such a setting. I can be lynched at will by someone higher in the hierarchy (mtfs are above me, then above them male bearded nonbinary, then above them afabs).Red pilled spaces have been kind to me, people there call me cute and they have never mistreated me. So I’m extremely brain rotted. I can’t >>44476797Ironic because Serrano basically complains about people AMAB being dehumanized and discriminated upon but avoids the obvious solution(never judge or discriminate against people for who they are or what they were born as).Also Serrano doesn’t look good and that’s my shallow and stupid reason for not taking the ideology seriously.
>>44476259Unrelated but you actually sound cool
>>44476936im not mainstream dog
>>44476640it's either a feature of the facial expression in that art style or hrt sucked out her soul
>>44476697>It wasn't years later, it was later that year
>>44474454Because they're autisticMost people would just quietly file that person into the "very weird mystery" corner of their social life. Trannies desperate to make new allies want to force people into a box, and brainless desperate to find weak opponents do the same when someone is vulnerable to it.
>>44476936>male bearded nonbineys are valued higher than binary mtfsliterally how
>>44476953I am burnt out, demoralized, aggravated by knowing that even if my shell is still cute it won’t be much longer and I don’t want to let go of my identity but I also know social capital wise I put myself in a bad place, especially within the lgbt community.So basically I emigrated, to a simpler land where people don’t get the intricacies or internal politics and I have a higher value. Didn’t fix problems but there’s respite.Also lmao that the person who harassed me was a skinhead before they transitioned and went communist and they now push some type of serranoist activism and mostly rail against ftms for discriminating against amabs. It’s like yes, people shouldn’t be punished for being amab (although you punishing femboys is hypocritical) but you’re literally the one person who matches all the afab fever dreams against amabs.>>44476968I’m unhinged here and only use this place for anonymous complaints and exceedingly boring (by design) and goodie two shoes everywhere else.There is nothing of value in interacting with me.
>4tran insists on not having the same rainbow gender stuff as tumblr>invents new jargon for nb demiboys
>>44477065Liberalism (a hegemony in the mainstream lgbt community) dictates that challenging gender and gender abolition is the ideal. This makes putting the ugliest possible man in a dress liberation according to them.Liberalism and feminism also holds that passing, and medically transitioning to look female is sexist and reinforces gender stereotypes. Since those are the hegemons in mainstream lgbt, mtfs who look too feminine and who are getting surgery are seen with distrust and sometimes as invaders.I shouldn’t have singled out bearded nonbinary but they love really ugly and really masculine non hrt in dresses as a type of prop to smash the patriarchy and tirigger the cons. If you doubt me see how the queer collective podcast is owned by non transitioning theyfabs and when they wanted a trans woman episode they got a bearded bald guy in a dress as their rep to say mtfs have male privilege and then the hosts said something along the lines of electrolysis and FFS is sexist.You’d think medically transitioned femboys would enjoy the bearded man in a dress privilege but the medical transition is seen as having the same sexist sins as it does in mtfs but charges of obeying the patriarchy are stacked on. You have to be ugly a non HRT for improved status.The only reason I was initially treated well was because they thought I was a feminine ftm, which is pretty high class.
>>44477187> nb demiboysThose are theyfabsIt’s completely different other than some looks convergent evolution
>>44477213>Those are theyfabstheymabs and theyfabs are the same gender because theyre both non binary
>>44477263This is a theymab. They make some aspects of gender presentation fem but they don’t medically transition. Their lineage is the same as theyfabs only they’re drawn from regular men who want to be special while theyfabs are drawn from regular women.4chan type hrt femboys (there needs to be a better word but whatever) are a totally different lineage drawn from twinks with BDD and BPD and possibly RoGD. They use medical transition to avoid suffering while setting aside all the gender stuff.They’re completely different, essentially the inverse to theymabs.
>>44477309cope and sneed sissy
>>44477767Sissies are bald, gape mouth and have beards and wear tutus. I have resting bitch face, am not afraid of risk or hanging out around rough men and I’ll never wear something that doesn’t look good. I am a sigma femboy
>>44477931Yasssss femboi only wear what makes your sissy spins pretty!!
>>44474454if u started in late 20s like 27~29do you still benefit from it?or is that too late
>>44477942Which is twink fashion and shirts cut to show as slim a waist as possible. That or Korean men’s wear.I don’t wear women’s clothes anymore since that was something exes wanted, I was emphatically all or nothing about it (would have to pass and look good) and I outsourced all the fashion and makeup.So stop projecting. You might like being a sissy but I would fall on my sword rather than hurt my dignity.
>>44477944You’re going to protect your hairline at minimum. And who knows, some people grow slower.
>>44477965Lol
Cis in what way? Because cisgender transsexuals exist
>>44477944You can still benefit for sure. I put it off until my 30th birthday (I know lol) and 19 months later I dont regret starting at all. But I do regret waiting as long as I did. I second and third guessed myself, kept telling myself it wasnt going to do anything for me since it was too late. Then my gf started and she changed so much in less than a year (she's 5.5 yesrs younger than me) so that just gave me a reason to bite the bullet and give it a shot. I got hondosed my first 3-6 months before I got up to decent dosage, so the past year has been crazy for me with changes. Ive always been kinda slim thicc, guys on my baseball team always joked how much of a bitch I looked like and how fuckable I would be if I were a chick, so I was already passable from the waist down (ass and thigh genetics go crazy in a diabetic family). And I think I caught my body just in time before my ribs were going to start to get more broad/barrel-y. I need to lose some weight still, hrt makes me so fucking hungry, but im starting to see a waist:hip ratio and my tits are starting to come in pretty nicely. I might still seek BA surgery and maybe a rib surgery and FFS but otherwise im extremely happy with my results particularly after I upped my dosage and got on progesterone
>>44474454Qwarz looks like bottom right by the way
>>44477987You would not believe how much picrel rots my brain. It’s the polar opposite of what I could survive in so I came to the conclusion if they’re physically hypermasculine but badly wear female clothes and talking with a wierd straight lisp. Then I’ll be the opposite by physically transitioning long before I get hard, but hugging men’s clothes and making sure my feminine vocal resonance is masked by a posh way of talking. The downton abbey solution.>>44477987You can medically transition as far as FFS and srs and so long as you do not let go of your birth sex you can claim to be cis
>>44478009Stop being mean. I didn’t like what the comic did to pink femboy but lots of her commentary makes sense.
>>44478019I lost my picrelThis is what the guy calling my 1919 presentation sissy shills.
>>44478025>Stop being meanSo Qwarz can mock someone while looking like their own caricature, but you can't call them out on it?
>>44475415truthnuke but also thats valid. if i had less social dysphoria i would also just be a hrt femboy / boobtwink. it would be less cringe than claiming to be a woman as an amab. alas, things are the way they are and im forced to be a cringe tranny
>>44478031It’s caricaturing twink death. Which deserves attention. So does HRT being a counter. What I didn’t like (other than it being BDD inducing) was that everyone forgets femboys can take HRT without losing their identity or becoming trans. People don’t know that and it scares many from hrtAlso isn’t Qwarz from a shithole that bans HRT?
>>44478009Our mongoloid queen. This looks like a child photo, she probably mogs by now >>44475415Based femboys. >>44478052We call these boymoders
>>44478065Qwarz has broad and tapeder shoulders, a masculine face and literally looks like their own caricature. Quit your shit.
>>44478065Qwarz immigrated from Russia to the US. I don't even understand what Qwarz is supposed to be because they still have "femboy" in their bio
>>44477944I started at 26 and it was 100% worth it, though I had already been taking care of my skin and body for a long time and used to be a femboy
>>44478079Whatever makes them the most money ofc
That’s a pre HRt photo then?>>44478079>they still have "femboy" in their bioBasedThen s/he’s one of ours (dysphoric femboys). Lay off. Your pre HRT probably isn’t any better.
>>44478009Even in this pre-hrt photo she did not look like the caricature (from the little bit you can actually see)Brow bone is rough but that can be fixed
>>44478071>We call these boymodersthe difference between an hrt femboy and a boymoder is that an hrt femboy is content in being a feminine male and using hrt to stay that way instead of getting increasingly moided over time, while a boymoder really wishes she could be a girl but is too scared to girlmode. at least in theory. in practice hrt femboys are mostly just coping trannies because like anon said if they were actually cis males they wouldnt be taking female hormones just to avoid normal male aging
>>44478009it's not Qwarz, this comes from the same faildox that Qwarz is from fucking Poland with a polish family, it doesn't make sense at all
>>44478099what is a "transgender femboy" supposed to be
>>44478114Superpositioning where you aren’t sure if boymoder or femboy. Outwardly it’s just HRT and asserting male identity. Eventually it collapses into one state.
>>44477944i started hrt at 28 and now at 30 im the most beautiful ive ever been despite being older than ever before. there is no age where not taking hrt would give you a better result than taking it, and frankly youd think this would be obvious. even if youre fucking 50 years old, would you rather be 53 with 3 years of relatively weak feminization, or 53 with 0 years of feminization?
>>44478100Look at >>44478073Broad shoulders and looks like the right image
Damn are the so-called 'hrt femboys' really expecting to remain as femboys into their mid to late 30's or something? Part of being a femboy is accepting that twink death will eventually happen to you and accepting that. You're not a femboy on hrt, you're just transitioning in everything but name.
>>44478126They aren't great, but not that bad
>>44477203>picrelwhy do they always give fucking 'trans women' a beard or a moustache jfc I'd rather kms than have facial hair like that
>>44478128CopeI just went from being a cis twink to a cis “ftm” twink and people still think I’m cute. Worst thing that happened is they say I have a womanly face but I like androgyny so it doesn’t bother me.
>>44477309>there needs to be a better wordeboys?
Femboys are women, sometimes more than trannies
>>44478008Meant to attach these earlier but didnt have the time (at work rn). But you can see that genuinely there really is no knowing what hrt can do you for at any age. Top left pic is me at my heaviest, 220lbs with relationship fat. Lost the weight a couple years afterward, went down to 170. Bottom left is the skinniest ive been as an adult at 160, about 2 years before starting hrt. Bottom right is post-hrt, and i hover between 190-195, i had gotten back up to 210 at one point thanks to eating like a 13 year old going through puberty when first starting hrt, and the vast majority of that weight is held in my ass, thighs, and what little boobage i have atm (b cups). Anybody here would have seen the first pic, when I was 21, and think "it's so over, theres no way I can get on hrt its not going to do anything for me." Just fucking do it, normal people dont think about this for more than 30 seconds
>>44478205And I still didnt attach them because im retarded, lol. Here you go
>>44474494>>44474538>>44474571>>44475366>>44475415SENDING A INTERNCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC BBC TO QWARZ ATARZ HOUSE
>>44478009allegedly she looks like this
>>44474454You can tell this comic was made by a leftist cause it has too much text and the message would be clear with just the drawings
>>44478166cistroons
>>44478109Go away Qwarz, shoo back to your pedocord.
>>44478009>>44478889>You've changed, Kuznetsov...
>>44478206you look like me and I have no idea whether that makes me feel seen or makes me want to kill myself.Probably both desu,
>>44479092accusing me of being Qwarz won't make your faildox real, so[y]faggot. Please go back to your containment board where you jerk off to BBC, Nikocado Avocado ass and child gore
>>44479611the last photo is actually decent idk what there is to complain about
>>44479611Don't kill yourself anon:) I dont know your situation but I thought I would never be even semi-passable back when I was in my early 20s, now im 31 and happy and have a beautiful fiancé who is super fucking gay for me and I love that. I'm pretty ok with making the decision to not kms after some really sad years
>>44479721What the fuck happened to this board?I feel like a few years ago people would be saying "it's ogre" or "fridgehon" or some other bs to someone that looks like that.>>44479893Don't worry about me I'm not actually roping. It would make people sad and that would be selfish of me.It's very sweet that you care? You seem like a very nice person and they're probably lucky to have you.Also clean your fucking mirror if you haven't already. It's filthy.
>>44476209Is identity literally tied to just looks and nothing else?
>>44474454This gender stuff has gotten pretty stupid…
>>44474454>Why do people act like cis femboys can’t be on HRT and still self identify as maleWho says they can't?
>>44480035idk it's obviously not great but it's serviceable
>>44480239transsexuality is about the body, and about 'looks' insofar as appearance is a form of perceiving the body
>>44480291If it was just the looks then you wouldn't care if people called you a woman or not
>>44480035>Don't worry about me I'm not actually roping. It would make people sad and that would be selfish of me.Oh that's good lol, yeah that's what stopped me from doing it years ago. Couldn't do that to my parents and friends>It's very sweet that you care? You seem like a very nice person and they're probably lucky to have you.Thank you!! I used to be and still can be an asshole sometimes but it's something i have worked on over the years. And im the lucky one she's the nicest person I've ever met and a little passoid who loves me for some reason>Also clean your fucking mirror if you haven't already. It's filthy.Oh ive cleaned it since then, I took that last month :p
>>44474454Femboys all need face laser and HRT minimum once they are 20. FFS would help too.
