My overall point is that women are ontologicallt evil because they're like memoryfoam that takes on the shape of the world. The world is currently evil and so are the foids. Only men have the capacity to rebel against the overton window. Only a male can break programming. Only a man could find himself in a system perfectly designed to make him believe one thing and then go out of his way to believe in the contrary.

>>44490608
>>44490650
libshits are evil nigga who doesn't know this yet

>>44490608
Fact is though, she is more chuddy than you.
Your sister is a true ally lmao.

>>44490650
Erm, Women have never done anything bad and if they did it was an oopsy and Chuds deserved it for being a dangerous male with opinions.

>>44490666
Its literallt just women.
I discussed the same with a male friend who is also woke libshit and he listensd to my points, thought on it, asked a few things and then conceded on the point

>>44490608
>these could be used to poison a woman in order to prevent her from being able to have kids
there is otc birth control in the us now so is he pro or against this?

>>44490608
how tall is she?

>>44490685
You are very based and i would like to hug you

>>44490690
My foid sisters point is that if we made OTC Estrogen/Testosterone legal it could be used to poison someone

My counterpoint was that 1. It takes prolonged use and the effects arent life threatening. 2. You could already poison someone with OTC shit like rat poison or a lot of Paracetamol.

Her foidbrained just refused to engage with the core concept and she said
>Well there's weird ppl out there someone could use it for evil like in an abusive relationship or something.
Which is just classic foid paternalism where they need to police 99% of society to prevent the 0.0001% unfathomable cases of danger.

She also hates my guts bc i said that a 19yo woman can consent to fuck and suck and be in a relationship with an older male and it is a bit icky yucky but there's a reason we collectively decided that past 18 you're an adult and can decide for yourself because we were talking about like celebrities and she got mad i didn't consider a celebrity actress a victim for fucking and sucking some old fart willingly and when she's of age.

>>44490752
>>44490709
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>>44490608
erm cismoid, did you forget to take off your trip or something?

>>44490681
So trve we should keep cutting of bits of their dicks immediarely after birth xister but also lets pressure the fucking U.N into considering female circumcision a human right's violation(while the founder-state regularly allows for the same to be done to men.)

>>44490830
No.

I hate women and moids live in an open air gynocratic torture chamber


Solitary confinment outside

>>44490752
What you're describing is a politically and ideologically incoherent pillar of slop and slime accreted by years of nearly taking side swipes from popular opinion without actually thinking about anything

>>44490836
I agree that circumcision of any kind is bad, but is this opinion you have on it because you were personally affected by it?

>>44490608
are cissoids this cooked?

>>44490869
It perfectly encapsulates the struggle of a modern male. I'm grateful that i've never had go through it personally but it's a fucked up thing and it's not spoken about enough.

I hope ir didnt come off like i was doing stolen valour

>>44490873
Foids, yes.

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>>44490608
Men argue from principles like self-determination, accountability, courage (it happens these are depicted as positive traits in their upbringing).
Women argue from what makes them comfortable and what is socially acceptable (virtues in girl's upbringing) and work backwards to justify it.
OTC 'mones make your sister uncomfortable for whatever reason, her justification is noise.

>>44490880
Something odd about some chud opinions are that they are mostly reactive or made from personal grievances.

Sometimes a diagram occurs where theyre correct on an issue AND its something most people arent willing to talk about and do some sort of shutdown, but of course theyre correct for wrong reasons or that they opinion is too toxicly associated with chuds to be engaged with normies in good faith.

Examples being; circumcision, israel (pre october 7th) and religious extremism (more specifically wahhabism and islam in general in western europe)

>>44490908
I genuinely think it's just like a foid primal fear response to change because they in their own minds consider themselves weaker, the victim, holding the defensive so any major change to infrastructure or a system makes their brains fire up the same way a wolf attack would.

>>44490950
Your post smells like insane copium over the fact that chuddy is right.

>It's wrong to mutilate children at birth
>An extremely agressive racial ethnostate with deep backdoor into american politics should be considered a danger to the civillized world
>It's probably not smart to import 50 million people who come from a country where it's law, based in orthodox faith, to cut gay people's heads off, to a country where gay marriage is legal.

>>44490975
That wasn't my intention at all, what made it come off that way? i'll try to phrase it better

can u pls like work thru ur insane neuroticisms and transition rn or like just never transition ever pls because like sorry what do you mean by half of ts and r u even a tranny or not i forget the deal

>>44491017
how did you even solve the captcha? did you have someone do it for you?

>>44490608
libtards aren't leftists tho. theyre just uber retarded rightish centriods

>>44490608
banger post my moidman.

>>44490666
Evil digits tho

>>44491029
like wdym. cismoids a repper right? i’m just saying like bro needs to get xer act together

>>44490752
>>44490861
That's because their whole ideology revolves are foid victimhood and moid danger

>>44491062
i'm just saying you're stupid, sorry. you're right the repper needs to see the light and troon, though.

>>44491044
Cis Moidman is like a Hideo Kojima Character

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the reality is that there's no innate morality and it's just a post-hoc cope to try to justify why their emotional positions are actually rational and justified. Morals are taught by society and most people aren't smart or brave enough to challenge the rules they've been taught.
there are more countries that have banned boiling live lobsters than countries that have banned ritualistic infant genital cutting. People care more about the ethics of declawing cats or cropping dog's ears than they care about the suffering of their own children. Humans are just evil, but smart enough to intuitively recognize that they're having the emotional experience of right and wrong, and want to figure out how to quantify it.
Morals like "don't kill, don't steal" are only universal because of the fact that societies where "don't kill, don't steal" survive much better than societies where these rules don't exist, resulting in all societies having some form of these rules. But most people aren't even smart enough to recognize that hurting others is wrong in and of itself, which is why it has to be justified with "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", because unless you hide the moral rule in self-interest people aren't going to care. And even in every modern society that bans rape murder and stealing, every society is full of people who want to rape murder and steal anyway.
Humans are a doomed species and we're creating a hell world for ourselves because there's no connection between reproductive success or societal success and quality of life. Our only hope is that jesus comes back and tells us that it was just a social experiment and we've been pranked, or the affini find us or something.

>>44491017
Do you really want me in women's spaces talking about how fucked it is that female circumcision is a human rights violation and moid circumcision(which started as a stopgap measure to stop boys from beating off, i.e healthily expressing their sexuality during puberty.) is valued cultural practice.

>>44491133
Gigatrvke

>>44490608
did you finish highschool? everything you write is borderline unreadable

>>44491133
Insanely blessed effortpost.
I overall agree with you but less doompilled conclusions can be drawn from it.
Dont kill dont steal is both moral and practical. You could make the argument thats whats morally good is good for the good of all. And that what's goid for everyone is thus moral. In most cases it will overlap.

Also there are some rare(usually fucked up too) people who have genuine coherent moral framework within them. Usually it makes them stand out negatively because its like retarded and impractical but yeah. Indvidually people can be good. As a collective it'll always be just a bit depressing.

>>44491153
no. ur fucking fried. that’s why i said literally get ur shit together and work thru all this right now or just rep 4 ever and waste what ever potential u had

>>44490996
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>>44491217
I was just omnthe defensive by default sorry mb mb

>>44491070
Foids will scream victimhood as they stab you to death

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>>44491133
People dont like cockroaches because they are fast, invasive, hard to kill and are a bigger problem in a persons daily life than a butterfly.

People only see a butterfly once or twice a month at most for a moment as it flies from place to place, the association of one being constant, overabundant and a problem for the person is what makes us associate them and their appearance and ugliness, while the ephemeral like nature of the butterfly and its unproblematic nature makes humans associate its appearance as positive as well and call it pretty, which then leads human culture to make pretty people who get reborn to arise from a coccon as a butterfly than as a larvae from a cockroach.

Also no, the only people who create a problematic society so visibly are stupid people, smart and evil but self interested people if they have the same access to economic conditions will co exist if there is a benefit to it, the people like billionaires either are born into it therefore born stupid and do active harm or if they make it themselves they become dumb later on when there are no consequences to there actions, the same can be seen with poor stupid people who just dont care about the consequences on their wellbeing.

Theres a saying or story used to teach children to trick them about hell, its about hell being a long, endless table with all the evil people, there lies a bowl of soup and a long spoon in front of one another, yet they are all emaciated. Why? Because they are evil and dont want to feed somebody other than themselves, of course the story itself is wrong because if the evil people arent caricatured as people who always want destruction but value themselves first they would feed one another in order to live, it would just not be out of generosity.

>>44490709
>>44491302
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>>44491133
>there's no innate morality
>hurting others is wrong in and of itself
???

>>44491380
hurting others is wrong, but that's clearly not something natural for humans to believe. It's a rule that has to be taught and enforced, even if essentially everyone who thinks about morality agrees on that point.

>>44491404
Fact: 100% of people who babble about "human nature" have some degree of mental retardation.

>>44491425
International law is based on human nature because they blamed law = morality for holocaust.

If you read through the E.U human rights nonsense they mention Natural Law and allude to it a lot so uuuh get bent chud the oligarchs decided that morality is literally a vibe check

>>44490955
That's probably part of it. I remember my first job was at this sleazy union place with little oversight, I was new and didn't really fit in so they were suspicious of me. One of the men pulled me aside and give me the rundown on how we didn't want to upset the system in place, literally the "we have a good thing going here" thing from gangster movies. I went along with it, turns out we were all chipping in money to bribe one of the overseers for overtime lol. I think identities are like this, everyone has their little groups and guilds they belong to, they want to occupy a physical or social space and squeeze benefit out of it, and the tribalism women have isn't much different. A designated male integrating into the designated female social role upsets a lot of outspoken liberal women for this reason, hence the attempts to pidgeonhole it into GNC or third gender stuff.

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>>44491438
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>>44491438
I mean the concept of "human nature" as a rhetorical tool is itself incoherent nonsense. It supposes that there could exist a "human", whose "nature" is the topic of debate, who somehow exists outside of all societal influence, and seeks to use that person as a point of comparison with humans who are not "natural", i.e. have been influenced in some way by humanity. But that's just fucking retarded. Humans are biologically incapable of surviving past infancy without constant intervention from other people; there is no such thing as a "natural person". Thus "human nature" as a rhetorical notion is a meaningless absurdity. It's like trying to derive a mathematical proof without accounting for the fact that one of your equations is trying to divide by zero.

>>44491438
>If you read through the E.U human rights nonsense they mention Natural Law
yes it's an interesting topic that gets discussed in philosophy of law, if you ever take a course like that
natural law is the idea that morality is something natural to humanity, though usually it comes from people who believe that god determines morality. Traditionally all natural law scholars were religious, but nowadays secular natural law theory also exists
the alternative of course is legal positivism, that law is just a construction of society and not based on objective moral facts.
So in the nuremburg trials, judges who believed in natural law were much more likely to convict nazis for crimes against humanity, even if everything they did was technically legal in nazi germany. On the other hand, the (less common at the time) legal positivists were much more likely to find nazis innocent, based on the "just following orders" justification.

>>44491537
That's why I cringe when people (normally religious or culturally religious) talk about natural behavior as something we have to consciously adhere to and can trespass

>>44491537
do you believe humans are blank slates or something?
I don't see how you can be trans and not believe in human nature at all. Humans have natural states just like all animals do.

>>44491575
human nature dictates that unless meddled with, a newborn baby will grow up atheist if not in a religious household

>>44491674
Yeah, my point is that they talk about natural behavior as something we have to consciously do, and that we're somehow capable of going against our nature

>>44491327
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>>44491588
No, the "blank slate" is also retarded. Obviously we can talk about what's "natural" in a scientific sense for individuals of the species Homo sapiens. But there's a world of difference between saying that humans commonly have certain instincts relating to reproductive behaviours and positing there there exists some sort of profoundly meaningful """natural""" state for a "person", i.e. a moral agent in a philosophical sense, to have. Ultimately the two notions, the blank slate and human nature, have the same problem in common, which is that they're inconsistent in their acknowledgement of humans as living creatures. We're a particular species of animal, which means it's stupid to pretend that the mind is independent from the brain and can be arbitrarily manipulated by the right sequence of abstract thoughts. And we're a particular species of animal, one that happens to be a social one, which means it's stupid to hypothesize about an individual specimen that is somehow maximally representative of its species, not merely despite, but because of having no association with conspecifics. And in any case it's stupid to think that whatever conclusions you derive about humans specifically is automatically generalizable to any and all moral agents.

>>44490608
Lots of women hate trannies for the same reason they hate porn, sex workers, sex dolls, ai porn, sex robots, literally everything that allows men to get sexual relief without them. Because it threathens their priviliged position.

Its pathethic and sad desu. I call them sluddites

>>44491131
if it was a hideo kojima character then its a repper who tr oons out by the end of the game lol

SchizoPost incoming

I think almost everyone stereotypes themselves one way or another. the stereotypes someone can choose from are usually outcomes of the conditions they were born into. location, race, class, etc. humans love community, they love to be part of a group, and they love to feel what other people are feeling. People tend to pick what they think will give them the greatest feeling of belonging and the most inclusionary privilege. Why do typical 'woke' women act like this? because they take comfort in the feeling of belonging that the stereotype gives them, and thus will defend its beliefs and practices without any real self analyzation. these people may consider themselves 'progressive' but they are only acting on the human instinct of wanting to belong. There are no real beliefs underneath the surface, she hasn't given any thought to the conditions of society herself, but to violate the beliefs of the group would be to violate her own sense of inclusion. she may consider herself to be empathetic and against bigotry, but this is not out of genuine empathy that would push her to disagree with any group-informed bigoted positions. i think that for 'woke' men, being the one true oppressed group is not one of the core beliefs of the stereotype, and so they have an easier time assuming that they should be empathetic to your position.

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>>44490608
man i feel like the idea of it being restricted for no reason is just completely foreign to her and she just makes up excuses to justify it
if she sleeps on it she'll probably change her mind on it but never tell you because she's embarrassed about being wrong for no reason

>>44490608
Cismoid I love you so much I'm gonna get a tattoo of your tripcode

>>44490608
Can i add you to discord

>>44490608
you could become one of the good women if you weren't such a pussy

you proved that men are malleable and women are more committed to their beliefs

>>44493611
>implying rigidness and stubbornness before arguments and evidence is good