>>44582767
No they are delulu
Aging exists

>>44582767
if by 40 year old twink you mean a brick build balding man then yes

>>44582767
since when did the internet say 19 is boy and 25 isn't godless abomination

>>44582767
I remember seeing a "50 year old femboy" on some SFW femboy subreddit trying to prove a point and own the troons and he looked fucking disgusting. Sure he wasn't balding and wasn't big but had saggy skin all over and looked like he had so little bone density he was about to collapse in on himself. And his face looked ghoulish as well.
I wish i saved it.

>>44582767
the worst thing about this is that it still assumes 99% of youthful femboys arent disgusting and ugly along side their elderly

never seen an image so laughably false in my life

>>44582767
This can really be only reality if the "Femboy" takes estrogen

>>44582789
that's just sad desu, the thought of looking like a disgusting APG male makes me want to rope

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>that 37 y/o femboy who still looks 17

>>44582807
Delusional

>>44583474
Cope, no more testosterone will make you look younger and stop turning you into a disgusting gorilla

>>44582767
psyop image is a psyop
every single "femboy" at age 40 is at least on Dutasteride or is intersex

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>>44583584
Facts. If you are cool with looking like picrel when you hit 40-50 then more power to you. some even hit that wall at 30 and earlier sometimes. Nothing wrong with these looks, they look fine/attractive, but are *you* okay with looking like that if you are a femboy in your teens and twenties? Keep in mind this is pretty mich best case scenario, you would be lifting weights, getting cardio in, taking care of your body with a healthy diet and little bad habits. Imagine how these men would look if they were starving themselves to stay as light and skinny as possible, or carry horrible eating habits like fast food/junk food/overeating. And that's what a femboy mentality gets you with testosterone

>>44582767
no, sorry.
when you are 21 or whatever it seems like things aren't gonna change much, but...
I've seen how my guy friends changed from 23->31, we used to look twinkish but I became a tranny and stayed looking like that, and they all look like men now because that's what testosterone does sooner or later.
>>44583455
this meme is unironically the most realistic thing most men can hope for
there's a reason why some fishy drag queens end up transitioning

>>44583662
Says you ya fat dumpy sack of shit

>>44583668
that's rude and uncalled for
are you trying to say I'm wrong? if you're in you're 30s, have never been on HRT and can look passable while crossdressng, more power to you - but we all know that's not the situation you are in

>>44583682
I am saying that you specifically are a poor arbiter of any of this knowledge because you yourself are not an attractive or passable specimen. Any opinion you hold is invalidated because you are a tubby sperg on 4chan.

>>44582807
then the femboy will just age like a woman, and a 40 year old woman does not look like a 25 year old femboy. how do people forget that the other sex exists?? this board is full of coping retards incapable of understanding what aging actually is lmao. half this board is going to rope at 35 because they refuse to acknowledge that there's no hormones to make them look eternally like a 20-something woman

>>44583735
that’s not entirely fair. Hot Take: i think there is a not insignificant cohort of people who would be unattractive with either gender that decide to transition because they think it will fix that. Mostly due to mental illness.

>>44583745
i agree, i'm just saying that this board is filled with doofuses in their early-mid 20s who don't understand that aging is inevitable and irreversible and happens no matter which way they transition

like, i think there are as many people on this board who transition to escape aging as there are people who have aging-agnostic gender dysphoria. they're gonna wake up in middle age and realise estrogen or testosterone didn't fix the underlying problem of time only moving in one direction

>>44583703
>you yourself are not an attractive or passable specimen
that's not true
but from my experience, proving people on the board wrong about this causes them to become upset and repost my pictures, and I don't want my face associated with this place even more
have a nice rest of your day

>>44583779
Nta but ive been trying to tell people that the last 3 weeks and up until early this morning nobody would listen. lmao

>>44583779
Hm. Usually I’m pretty good at building a mental model of an individual so i can try to understand their motivations. I cannot accomplish this with schizophrenics, or what you just described either.

>>44583789
Will you fuck off already fatso? shut up

>>44583794
then you must not be pretty good at it

>>44582767
Both pictures are kinda wrong. An overwhelming majority of men would never be even remotely passable femboys into their 30s, but I also have no idea where "you are bald by the end of your 20s" psyop comes from. The only man in my family I remember going bald was my great-grandfather, and that happened after he turned 80-something. Most men in their 30s/40s I know are not even starting to bald.

>>44583868
It's all genetics, I had guys who were bald in high school meanwhile my grandpa is 71 and has Norwood 2 at most

>>44582801
The creator obviously released it into the wild to stir up trouble. Chaos agent. Seeing how this art style appeals to impressionable teenagers, it's a solid effort. If you hate humanity and want to cause unnecessary suffering. I wouldn't rule out CIA involvement.

>>44583455
That is literally a 17 year old?

>>44583735
estrogen doesn't magically make you the other sex but hrt does have an anti aging effect on males.

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>>44582767
Literally me.

>>44584161
there's a contingency of trannies that think they are female (not women). it's not a psyop, your chosen ingroup is compromised of heavily autistic people who often validate each other's delusions

>>44582767
40 year old manmoder here, it depends on how you define "twink". You can definitely be in good shape and look younger than your age with HRT and skincare, but you won't look like a teenager or even someone in their late 20s, no.

Also when you hit 40, you basically look like you deserve: any kind of a lifestyle mistake like bad sleep or drinking or a bad died WILL show on your body and face in ways it didn't even in your mid 30s let alone 20s. I'd say bad lifestyle plus not being on hrt is why most middle aged men look the way they do (so, like crap).

Also there isn't really much you can do about the inevitable collagen loss in your face. Practically all skincare beyond basics is cope. It sucks - fine lines around the eyes, eyebags, the works. Also just a bunch of little pains all around the body for no apparent reason lol. Again all of this gets significantly worse if you don't take care of yourself, and all it takes is one bad week and you suddenly look 5 years older.

If you live a long natural life, most of it will be spent "being old" in some way. Don't base your identity on your looks kids :)).

>>44585660
Oh and without hrt? Haha forget it, I mean we've all seen men who hit the genetic lottery who can kinda get away with it for a while, but yeah no, masculinization just keeps going well into your 30s 40s and 50s :). On T, men get harrier and wider, and by that I don't mean fatter (even tho that often happens to) but like actual structural body changes. And after THAT, after all that damage, your T will drop to almost nothing in your 60s, and you basically eunuch mode with gyno and muscle loss. And look like an old man.

>>44583652
damn these guys still have all their hair too, they aged pretty well but I'd be cooked if T was dominant in my body, I'd still have my hair because of genetics but the hairline was fuuuuucked
I don't get why people are scared of a little hormone change, if u don't want boobs u can bind or get them removed like it's such a nothing burger to worry about.. also having that kind of heightened anxiety about transitioning is a good indicator you're a tranny
>>44583868
I know someone balding as soon as his thirties hit but he's like 40 ish now.. I feel like everyone at this day and age should know there are preventive measures you can take to at least keep all that there on your head like you don't have to just accept fate like that

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>>44582767
I’m so happy I avoided that real rog alert

>>44583735
They will age better than a woman retard because they'll have stable hormone supply and not go through menopause.

>>44585766
Cope

>>44583779
most fear of aging in natal males is caused by fear of moiding. femboy culture is full of dysphorics in denial who would at the end of the day be ok with female aging

>>44585660
good post but I will say
>fine lines around the eyes, eyebags
lots of teenagers have this too lol, no one gets enough sleep these days

>>44583662
true. unless youre asian tho, plastique tiara looks great.

>>44585660
>Also there isn't really much you can do about the inevitable collagen loss in your face
pretty sure aerolase has solved this

>>44585660
how long have you been manmoding?

>>44582767
ignore both the copehon and the doomer, it really just depends on what genetics and what kind of medical intervention happens and when. Obv aging does happen, but it's different for every person. So what will actually happen will be somewhere between >picrel 's "Reality" and "What the internet says" depending on the person.

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>>44582767
only one

>>44582767
no, you can't identify as a 19 year old as a 40 year old, you can have the build, sure, maybe, but you'll undeniably be unc in face and mannerism

i used to think this was true until i saw this graying hair older guy at an airport who was just undeniably a beautiful twink.

>>44589754
Just get plastic surgery nigga, then the only way people know you're unc is when you say you were born in a year starting in 19

>>44583868
>Most men in their 30s/40s I know are not even starting to bald.
They are, you just don't notice it.

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>>44582767
>Yep still a Femboy

>>44589879
Just flat out lying

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This is probably the best you could hope for at 40. He's 37

the best aesthetic for a 35+ tranny is aesthetic contrapoints has. it only works if you're rich, though

>>44590031
He's still kinda cute lol
He does look like a yaoi character though

>>44589591
>the 'what the internet says' section is hyperbole
really? no way

>>44589953
I wonder why they love masks so much

>>44590128
1. The average person in that photo is objectively a 4 (No you're not hot either hon)
2. They're cowards
3. Femboy aesthetics are mostly shit so it's trendy

>>44583455
If that dude dressed himself better and stopped age regressing he would've been decent twinkmoding as a middle aged man

>>44582767
There's a testosterone spike in their 30s waiting to give them a reminder of the world they inhabit.

>>44590182
If he fucking shaved his stupid mug too

>>44590169
>what is rhetorical

>>44585766
you seen the average trans woman over 40? not any better than a cis woman. aging is far less to do with hormones and mostly to do with like, the cells in your body genuinely just coming undone over time irrespective of hormones lmao.

cope, seethe, mald, etc

>>44591498
menopause hits like a hammer regardless

>>44582767
I hope I'll be a formless void when I'm 40 too

>beard at 19
wut nigga i didn't let that shit grow at 15

We talk about femboys, but what about being a femMAN at 40?

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>>44582767
Femboy aging discourse genuinely gives me a panic attack, I spent so long clinging onto the idea I could just be a feminine man (read: off-puttingly skinny with no fashion sense) while dreading growing old but too scared of HRT cus I was repping or later on when I just didn't want tits. It took me til 27 to troon but it was immediately a weight off my chest, then pretty soon after I could for the first time start imagining myself aging as a woman which confirmed how right transitioning was. But reading this thread feels like reliving that ~10 year long anxiety all over again. I'm so lucky that despite being a lateshit I've actually come out pretty attractive but regardless of all that stuff I just wish I could beam this fear into these dumbass femboys. Comics like OP genuinely contributed to holding me back another couple years.

>>44583455
is it pedophilic to be attracted to this?

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lol 30 is pushing it but at 40? cmon

>>44582767
to be honest I'm 21 and prettier than I've ever been, and I never even tried. I don't think I've peaked yet. I'll keep my diet healthy and basedful and take care not to go bald, and the worst that will happen is wrinkles. I'll still have my ~bone structure~ and my voice.
but I still feel like I've thrown my youth away, spent my whole teen years dressing badly and hiding from people over dysphoria. really it's better to spend your youth being pretty and then focus on some other pursuit like art as you get older (and you can do that as a man or a woman). But some people really do age like vampires

>>44592736
If I was a twink and not an ugly moid i would probably be like you fortunately i had less reason to rep and trooned at 19

>>44589315
>most fear of aging in natal males is caused by fear of moiding
no it's caused by fear of decaying and dying and memory loss and becoming weaker and slower etc

at some point its time to stop being a femboy and just go for a milf look if you can

>>44589953
this is like that old /fa/ picture but for femboys lol.

>>44593138
the one with the really long neck guy?

>>44592815
>not on hrt
>dysphoric
>"the worst that will happen is wrinkles. I'll still have my ~bone structure~ and my voice"

>>44592894
in terms of looks? no it is not

>>44583455
Stop posting pics of infants you sick fuck

>>44582767
Both charts are bullshit. I've always been a Godless abomination

>>44592736
sounds a little too much like me except I'm 28 and might be about to start HRT. I had dysphoria since I was a teenager but I had pretty good genetics, even now I still get ma'amed pretty often at work. Don't identify as a female and the main thing holding me back is the breasts. I think I'd actually be okay with it if they didn't develop very much and I didn't have to present as a female but afaik it's just luck of the draw. What turned me was seeing my hairline start to mature, I thought I was over the dysphoria but seeing that brought it all back pretty hard. Going to talk with a gender therapist first but I feel like it's pretty likely I go through with it. I've been pretty scared since if my family finds out, they will almost certainly disown me but fuck em I have to live for me

>be twink
>date other twink
>we grow older
>I am now 26 and he is 28
>encourage each other
>no brain worms
damn, it feels good to be able to accept natural aging

>>44582767
>aging doesn't exist
does oop really

>>44594954
This is similar to me yea, except you're still waiting and it's giving me second hand anxiety. Listen carefully nona: aging is making you dysphoric, you are balding, you are on /tttt/. You are trans. You don't have to be a Woman, but you do have to stop the poison NOW. If you have good genetics then 28 still isn't too late. The main difference is how likely you are to be able to eventually stealth, but despite what this board says that is not necessary to lead a fulfilling life. I'm clocky but hot, and thats 1000x better than being normal but miserable and ugly. Do NOT go to a gender therapist, the best case that just delays transitioning (and hondoses you), the worst case they convince you you're content to be a GNC man just long enough for it to be too late to transition. Buy DIY HRT TONIGHT. Your future self will thank you.

As for boobs, family and social transition, these were all concerns I had too that I'll try to break down for you if the above still hasn't gotten through: I was scared of boobs but now I'm just indifferent. They're there. Sometimes they're kinda hot and I like that people like mine. But thats it, they are not a big enough deal to not transition over. You'll get used to them. You can perma-boymode to your family, trust me. Unless they're insane TERFs, they're oblivious. The only thing they'll be likely to point out is your skin, which has the easiest excuse ('I got a new product'). You can slow burn the social transition, the confidence will come to you as you get more used to yourself being trans to where you stop caring about it, as well as what other people think. Obviously adjust as needed if you're concerned about work/housing etc, but that's even easier than boymoding to family. Nobody else is worth the effort.

>>44595084
real 7 months in and my "boobs" are so fucking small I get the feeling I could just permaboymode for life.

>>44582767
>is "a 40-year-old twink" an actual thing?
No.
But not a hideous man either.

>>44595170
Exactly, but for the record I don't think you should boymode if you don't have to. If you're on E then obviously you want to express yourself femininely and be perceived as such. HRT is only half the picture, and perma-boymoding is just a lighter version of repping out of fear. Don't trick yourself into thinking you don't *need* to express yourself, as if you don't need to be happy.

>>44595084
I appreciate the reply, it's helping me feel more comfortable with it at least. Actually, tomorrow I have an appointment with an informed consent clinic, I was going to get the ball rolling with that before I talked to the therapist. Should I not go that route? What should I tell them if I do?

>>44595170
I thought they develop over a few years no?

>>44595267
real shit I plan on moving out sometimes this year and living with a trans friend of mine, just so I don't have to repress anymore. I know for a fact I would be a lot happier if I could dress as cute as I wanted to. It's dangerous too, I just got out of a relationship with a cluster B with a pysch degree and one of the main reasons I stayed besides delusional love was just that she accepted me for who I was

>>44595324
Happy to hear this <3

>Should I not go that route?
idk about this honestly, I'm UK based so the process here is send off a gender identify clinic referral then start DIY while you wait the literal ~10 year wait. But regardless of your situation, immediately starting DIY while waiting for something else to come through can't hurt, and ensures you aren't strung along by anyone. You'll be amazed at how many times a doctor can tell you 'just two more weeks'.

>I thought they develop over a few years no?
More like 8, look at cis women puberty. Obviously depends on your diet and genetics. Just roll with it.

the wall whether amab or afab is caused by the natural decline in hormones so hrt is still unavoidable, just choose t or e and stick to it if you dont wanna look like shit

twink death is basically the same cope as obese boomers who say once you turn 30 you'll gain weight. just don't get fat, take hair loss meds, and take care of your skin. you will obviously look like an older man but you will look like a thin and feminine older man. nobody is forcing you to be an obese balding ogre.

>>44595591
For many though this'd just be maintaining complacency rather than pushing through to find true happiness

>>44595566
Are the ageless trans people in the room with us? Do we have any proof of this at all?

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>>44582767
>is "a 40-year-old twink" an actual thing?
they exist but it's guys with good genetics who age particularly well. they do still look their age in ways ofc (nobody looks 20 at 40 and it's trying too hard to look much younger that ages you) but they still look good, partly carried by genetics (no balding, good bone structure, minimal skin sagging) and the rest is lifestyle (staying slim mainly). swann arlaud is someone i'd consider an example of a twink who's ageing gracefully, he's in his mid 40s and looks it for sure but he still retains that twinkish allure.

>>44583455
What a young man

>>44596320
if your true happiness depends on estrogen you were never a twink just a repping mtf. estrogen isn't anti-aging serum it just makes you look like a woman your age

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>>44590031
how does he look younger there than 11 years ago

>>44597857
Lighting and not rocking the JUST haircut

>>44597895
probably skincare or cosmetic treatments too, tretinoin and good moisturizer can do a lot

>>44582767
yes, the trick is to be a jewish vampire

>>44597509
lol trans people age a lot better than cis people because of this

>>44597509
it's not just trans people tho plenty of cis people go on trt/hrt in their 50s

>>44598166
Yeah and they look like Joe Rogan.

>>44598326
that's what happens when you use "trt" as an excuse to blast roids and put your test levels in the thousands. not the same as actual guideline-following hormone treatment

>>44595566
>>44598166
no its T that caused aging. for both men and women. thats why eunuchs age better.

>>44582767
The ideal for a twink is to mature into an Andrew Scott type middle aged gay guy

>>44585712
>or get them removed

How much does this cost, though

I'm 32 and considered HRT back at 17-18 to get a femboy build rather then transition, but I didn't do it/told myself I'd consider it after moving out, as I didn't want breasts or erectile issues, or to have awkward family conversations, and as I didn't think it + exercise would be enough to considering how wide my ribcage was and how little space I had between it and my waist, which I figured would always give me a rectangular torso

Now ~15 years later, I never got to move out (and never tried HRT, even as "wanting a femboy build" evolved into more complex gender identity shit) or start a career, school, relationships etc, so I feel like I wasted my youth, which is giving me a crisis

I know that a "femboy" look (let alone something more feminine then that as I realize I want now) isn't possible for me now (if it ever was), but I'm considering HRT again regardless, to stay young looking longer and to MAYBE nudge my body into having a more narrow waist, wider hips, and bigger thighs/ass

What can I even expect from HRT at this point? My face still looks young (I think? Maybe it's cope but IMO it looks only barely older then at 18), but I am starting to get gray hairs, and my hairline is maybe starting to recede into a widows peak (or maybe it was always like that and I'm just getting paranoid)

Some questions:

>Will HRT reverse visible aging, or just slow it?
>How many more years of looking young will I realistically have with vs without it?
>How exactly does it keep you looking young? I know better skin, what else?
>Is there a way to get an actual idea of how much it is likely to change my proportions/build? It seems like a crapshoot, but if I post photos somewhere, are people able to gauge if it likely will/won't make a big difference?
>Any way to avoid breast growth or erectile issues?
>In addition to or instead of HRT, what else can I do with skincare, exercise, diet etc?

>>44592736
>>44594954
>>44595084
>>44595381
Input from you two especially appreciated

>>44594954
diy they will hondose you

>>44595190
all men are hideous

>>44597719
shockingly most people who make a big deal out of being a twink are repping mtfs

>>44600308
I'm not either of the people you asked but I'll give it a go
>Will HRT reverse visible aging, or just slow it?
reportedly yes but ymmv obv
>How many more years of looking young will I realistically have with vs without it?
dunno. if you're not too far gone if you stay on it long enough you just start looking like a woman lol
>How exactly does it keep you looking young?
I know better skin, what else?
chubbier upper face and hands, less accentuated chin and jaw, less facial and body hair, bigger looking eyes
>Is there a way to get an actual idea of how much it is likely to change my proportions/build? It seems like a crapshoot, but if I post photos somewhere, are people able to gauge if it likely will/won't make a big difference?
maybe
>Any way to avoid breast growth or erectile issues?
for slowing/avoiding breast growth try raloxifene but it's a crapshoot (if you're dysphoric about male aging though trust me you will not be dysphoric about having breasts). penile atrophy can be avoided altogether, just have your dick hard for four or so minutes once or twice a week
>In addition to or instead of HRT, what else can I do with skincare, exercise, diet etc?
I'm not well versed on this stuff but just generally get good exercise and eat well and you will naturally look better. if you want to replace hrt altogether with dieting and workouts though: lol. lmao.

>>44583455
>posts a 17 year old
At least use some washed up old guy, cmon

>>44582812
trvke I'd rather rope

>>44600308
you're actually retarded and getting fed retarded information by the people around you. estrogen will not reverse visible aging, and it will do little to prevent future aging. if you want boobs, take estrogen. if you want antiaging, get on tretinoin and save up for cosmetic procedures.

>>44601349
this person is clearly afraid of male aging specifically, as in becoming chad. which can in fact be avoided

>>44600308
Lmao you ask the anons that are the most verbose which is just proof they have nothing to say and are low-iq. Anyways I'll help you.
>Will HRT reverse visible aging, or just slow it?
reverse and slow, but don't overhype the benefits
>How many more years of looking young will I realistically have with vs without it?
nobody knows
>Is there a way to get an actual idea of how much it is likely to change my proportions/build? It seems like a crapshoot, but if I post photos somewhere, are people able to gauge if it likely will/won't make a big difference?
no, not really
>Any way to avoid breast growth or erectile issues?
keep and maintain low bf%, jork your meat atleast once a week, SERMS, supposedly taking spiro early can permanerf your booba growth, same with prog as it will switch over from making the ducts to just stacking the fat.

>How exactly does it keep you looking young? I know better skin, what else?

increases collagen
increases hydration of skin
stops hairloss (potentially reverses)
fat redistribution to more youthful pattern on face
stable hormone supply since you are supplying it yourself, (primary sex hormones decrease with age)
b-b-ut women don't age well yeah they go through menopause which as a tranny you won't because you'll be always blasting E
prevents further masculinizing bone growth which essentially continues throughout your life, but is deemed "not significant" past a certain point, in the context of looking feminine it is significant blocking T at 18 can save you an ffs trip at 30. In this case looking less sexually dimorphic would make you look more like a baby which would make you look more young.
helps with wrinkles (probably due to the boost in collagen, but I've heard it can be because of the thinning/decreased roughness of the skin as well) proof of this is phytoestrogens being used in men in a study, this has been shown to reduce wrinkles.

>>44595084
thank you for the hopefuel nona, I wish you the best

The thing is you have to understand it is a big looksnuke to your body especially if you like straight women, it will give you the body of a basedboy. (flubby, and gyno). Estrogen will also make you infertile that's essentially the trade-off of for all the facial youthfulness gains.

as for anti-aging be really good about sunscreen, outdoors, indoors by windows or w/ natual sunlight coming in.. but above that holing yourself up in a literal cave is as good as it gets, because sunscreen only blocks some %, with UV damage think of it like melting a candle. Most aren't dedicated enough to vampmaxx like this, but if you are, and do it will pay off BIGLY.

>>44601429
>which essentially continues throughout your life, but is deemed "not significant" past a certain point
this, people going oh it doesn't matter I'm 18 already the damage is done puberty doesn't end at 18 cissoids just don't gaf about facial moiding so they don't even register that it exists half the time

Give up and be a bear

>>44601452
>flubby and gyno
fatter on average and with breasts, yes. soiboys do not look like that, they're just bald and obese

>>44601414
>male aging
take dht blockers and don't get fat. there's nothing special about male aging that can be prevented by estrogen, besides male pattern baldness

>>44601452
i need to vampmaxx thanks for the advice sunlight is evil

>>44601514
facial plane expansion? mandibular widening? ribcage broadening? enlarged shoulders?

>>44601514
low-iq cope response

>>44601290
>if you stay on it long enough you just start looking like a woman
My understanding is HRT only works this well if you start before/during puberty, or if you're really lucky and already look feminine?

>maybe
Well, an anon can tell me what one of those temporary auto-deleting image hosting sites are that I've seen people on this board use, I'll post photos or my face at least. Not sure I'm brave enough to post my body which I know is what would be most helpful, but we'll see

>if you're dysphoric about male aging...you will not be dysphoric about...breasts
The thing is, I already have man boobs (I think it might be gynecomastia, since they don't seem to be shrinking as I lose weight), which I'm somewhat uncomfortable with. If I had a flat chest to begin with, I wouldn't mind growing small normal shaped breasts too much, or even to get to what I got now, but what I am 99% sure I DON'T want is for what I already got to get even bigger

>penile atrophy can be avoided...just have your dick hard...
Does HRT not cause issues with staying hard, though? (SSRI's actually already made me not able to, but I'm hoping to get that resolved, if it can be)

>>44601429
>keep and maintain low bf%
This will also slow or interfere with stomach/waist/hip fat redistribution though then, right?

>prevents further masculinizing bone growth which...continues throughout ...life, but is deemed "not significant" past a certain point, in the context of looking feminine...blocking T at 18 can save you an ffs trip at 30.
Well, I'm already past 30, so am I past that point already?

>SERMS
I saw someone say these don't work. Do they?

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More questions I got

>I heard something about fat redistribution from HRT taking around 10 years without weight cycling, is that accurate? Is that at a linear rate or progression curved?
>What are the typical mental/emotional effects?
>What effects of HRT gradually reverse if you stop it?
>If I do HRT, what medical tests will it show up on?

>>44601290
>HRT only works this well if you start before/during puberty, or if you're really lucky and already look feminine?
it will significantly change your appearance no matter when you start. some people who start really late and think they're neverpassers start inexplicably passing, it does happen
>temporary auto-deleting image hosting site
litter.catbox.moe, not to be confused with files.catbox.moe which will stay up forever
>The thing is, I already have man boobs (I think it might be gynecomastia, since they don't seem to be shrinking as I lose weight), which I'm somewhat uncomfortable with. If I had a flat chest to begin with, I wouldn't mind growing small normal shaped breasts too much, or even to get to what I got now, but what I am 99% sure I DON'T want is for what I already got to get even bigger
if you're that uncomfortable you can just get em chopped off. but I think you'll find it's not too bad
>Does HRT not cause issues with staying hard, though
no, penile atrophy does that (which you may already have a bit of from ssris but it's not too bad you can still maintain it if you have a bit of atrophy
>This will also slow or interfere with stomach/waist/hip fat redistribution though then, right?
yes, anamaxxers are retarded. it's fine if you're a normal amount of skinny though
>Well, I'm already past 30, so am I past that point already?
no, it never stops
>SERMS
they'll def have some effect but you can't count on avoiding breast development altogether on them

(continued)
>I heard something about fat redistribution from HRT taking around 10 years without weight cycling, is that accurate?
it varies from person to person but more or less yeah
Is that at a linear rate or progression curved?
no idea
>What are the typical mental/emotional effects?
subtle emotional differences, changes in sexual attraction (how you experience attraction, how sex feels and possibly what you find attractive)
>What effects of HRT gradually reverse if you stop it?
all of them except breast development
>If I do HRT, what medical tests will it show up on?
blood tests for estradiol and, if you're not royally fucking up, testosterone and DHT

>click thread about femboys because why not
>walls of text about hrt tl;dr
are there really no places on this board for feminine cis dudes? like wow, i ain't reading all that shit. it's always them too, the usual suspects.

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>>44602099
You're either on the wrong website, or in the wrong body buddy. And you can guess where I'm going with this

>>44602099
femmen and femboys aren't the same. actual femboys have peter pan syndrome due to sex dysphoria

Alright, if twinks and femboys in their 30s or 40s are possible, let's see them

post some

>>44602288
aaaaand crickets

trooning or manning up are the only options

First post the photos of the ageless 40 year old trans women

>>44589603
i always forget jerma is like 40 now

>>44589953
The saddest part about this image is that some of them have genuine potential but they're stunted because of the femboy LARP.

>>44582767
the internet’s right in the picture. you can’t be fem if you don’t take hrt. end of discussion.

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>>44602352
>40 year old women don't look more woman than 40 year old men because they don't look like teenage girls

>>44602288
they may not exist yet, thanks to advances in medical science and our understanding of skincare and hormones the first people to twink into their 40's are just now being born.

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>>44602508
cool. doesn't help anyone today. also there is no political or medical interest in accomplishing that in the era of scarcity and war we are currently entering so that probably won't happen anyway lol

>>44602493
Sorry, I've been led to believe that the only thing that causes aging is T and menopause, which HRT prevents. So please show me the ageless 40 year old trans women or even HRT femboys

>>44602352
jamie clayton held up really well
>>44602288
all I gots are like 5 40+ japanese vkei uncs

>>44602531
anybody saying ageless is retarded, but it helps over being natty

yoshiki holds up the best on cam, but he is super synthetic, rest have mad makeup, hair, and mask fraud, and just look good on stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHE77hMfb6I

>>44602352
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQHntLyDe7n/
she 47 here i think, now choke on my gock chuddy

>>44602531
>I've been led to believe that the only thing that causes aging is T and menopause, which HRT prevents
male. male aging. the kind of aging people who tend to fall into femboy culture are innately afraid of and harmed by

now give me a 45yo+ non-hrt white femboy/twink.... you won't

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>>44602099
>are there really no places on this board for feminine cis dudes?
No, and that's unironically a good thing. I'm happy for the new wave of cis males on HRT. No more young femboys getting groomed into thinking they don't need estrogen to stay feminine.

>>44602604
she has aged well but looks mid 30s at least, and that's with heavy make up and filters.

>>44602668
I mean yeah dude everybody ages, this isn't about looking like an 18yo forever... that's unrealistic, it's about looking great for your age. But also we are fixated on remaining feminine looking, in which case again, good luck finding a 45+yo white guy no hrt that can do that.

>>44602656
I try to fucking guide them to the light man, but they pushback really hard and get chuddy, so I just flip and pretend that I agree with them and gaslight the living fuck out of them so they wall out of spite.

Like I legit have this one ex-gigapassoid detrooner gassed up that they are gonna stay a twink w/o hrt because they have been really chuddy towards trannies, meanwhile I'm doing the opposite of everything I tell them to do, lol.

>>44602703
kill YOURSELF

>>44602722
most recently I've been grooming them into twunking out.

>>44602681
I think we are actually in complete agreement. There are some people in this thread leading people down the garden path about what HRT can do for them. If they want to age like women, and understand all that HRT entails, then I 100% support making that choice. If the intent is to prevent masculinisation, that is fine.
I just get annoyed that there are at least a portion of people on this board who will just lie about it, whether they are self-deluded or malicious, and potentially harm people, because they sell it as a panacea. Everyone has to confront aging, and you can still age well as a cis guy just as you could as a 'HRT femboy', trans woman, or cis woman. No one is going to stay a 'twink' or 'femboy' forever, no matter what they do, because both are associated with youth.

>>44602754
yeah I suppose someone should have made the distinction of like just looking femme looking as a guy as you age. I think the twinkerton window has shifted to where for a lot of people it means ultra femme traps now lmao. It's not a panacea which is why I try to point out the trade-offs like that your body will 100% feminize and look like some fucking eunuch thing, it's insane the body feminizes more than anything on hrt.

Also keep in mind any femboy is femme, and those this is relevant to them, not relevant to a classical twink.

>>44602727
KILL yourself POSTHASTE

>>44602780
ermmm no she deserves it because she is a filthy little bdd pickme chud.

>>44602783
no one deserves to be MOIDENING

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It depends on your lifestyle and genes.

>pic related, 33 year old twink

>>44603318
>moided brow
>concealing the chin

ngl the effects of e on skin are vastly overhyped by t women going through gender euphoria

>>44603318
you just look like a shiny hairless 30 yo

>>44603538
cope

>>44603318
anyone can look good in a photo with the right angle, right expression, right filters.. etc..

many people who look much younger in photos look much older in person or on video, pictures lie many times over

>>44603318
Slugmaxximg

>>44589848
this post made me realize greying hair while looking young can be a cool aesthetic, ty (i have noticed it too, as long as hair and skin quality is good, it's not that bad, it happens to everyone anyway)

>>44589848
expecting to be this is foolish

>>44603629
I see many people in their early 20s with fine wrinkles and shit but you can still tell they're young, there's a lot more to visible aging than whether or not you look like an anime girl lol

>>44603615
this whole thread is about coping with the inevitability of aging, the only options are aging gracefully or roping tbqhon

>>44602681
>>44602754
>>44602764
modern medicine doesn't let you choose what parts you like from women and what parts you like from men willy nilly yet (sadly) you can go on e but you will grow tits over the course of a decade that you can only remove with costly and risky surgeries (all surgeries come with risk ofc and this gets worse with age) and lose dick function

if you're fine with this then ofc get pumped with e, the issue is people who expect to become/remain fucking some big dick femboy in their 30s. obv this doesn't matter if you figured out you're trans or you're nb more on the side of femininity

I think you can use e creams that won't go systemic but this is entirely anecdotal so

i actually look way better now in my 30s than i did 10 years ago at 21. the structure was there, but i wasnt using it
>skin
flawless now, had acne then and inflamed T skin. now on hrt hondose and a better skincare routine
>eyes
more alive and also more gentle. my eyes looked more tired then, like a gaming addict (i was). but i was also trying to be masculine and i would try to do that hunter squint thing. somehow my eyes went from tired then to having the twink sparkle now. even when relaxed i look more alive, probably hrt and exercising and being more at peace with myself. i did exercise back then, but now i have a better routine, more cardio, so i have healthy athletic eyes now. and i have a gentle, endearing doeish look at rest instead of the disconcerting squint. my eyelashes were curvier back then though. it's a myth that you have to look tired when you're older
>face
it looked tighter back then because i was too underweight and no hrt. im still thin, but my bmi is not ana anymore. hrt made my cheeks fuller and my chin softer. i've had no cheek volume loss yet, and instead they are fuller. the aging effect where gravity pulls the face down over time might've helped me by making my lower cheeks softer and chin stand out less. i also learned tongue posture at 21 and made a habit of that and so after 10 years of "mewing" my jawline and submental area from the side profile is better than back then too. my face is more soft heart/oval now instead of rectangle
>teeth
were already great before but now perfect after invisalign
>lips
invisalign and hrt gave me dsl's which are one of my most fem features now. that contributes to making my chin look softer too

the only thing worse is loss of collagen. my skin stretches a little differently and i have more little freckles but thanks to hrt im still radiant and soft and full. i dont look weathered at all yet and probably wont until my 40s based on others who take care of themselves. and i have had zero work done.

>>44582767
Only if you're brown or asian

>>44604960
>dsl
what?

>>44604960
tgirl?

>>44605403
dick suckin lips

trannies are such narcissists they have to identify as male and female just in case there's someone they can get attention from. if femboys started callimg themselves sissy. next thing you know trannies start going, "i'm a sissy too!" all for attention. meanwhile cis femboys watch from a distance, horrified of these frankenstein lookin ass mfs

>>44605674
I would never call myself a sissy

>>44605691
femboys are sissies

>>44582796
True. At least hrt can save some of them

>>44601452
basedboy body is about being fat and fridgelike, a skinny twinkcel on hrt looks much more feminine than that

>>44602604
the reality is most people under 40 are gonna age much better, my parents grew up smoking and drinking and that was considered normal, nobody went to the gym or took care of themselves 25 years ago. i think a lot of fear is looking at boomers when they were just retards

>>44605700
for me the term sissy is inexorably linked to depraved boomerhons

>>44605766
I hope you're right

>>44582767
even if it was weather you're 20 or 40 you'll never be exactly like a woman effortlessly and even being somewhat fem will take immense amount of effort and jumping through hoops only to look like an abomination and not even have the privilege to look publicly feminine

>>44597719
What if I'm a weird enbyshit or just a mtf that found a good cope so she doesn't get dysphoria

>>44600308
Hi, >>44592736 here.

You shouldn't transition to escape aging. But, you must already know, your fear of aging is obviously pathological. There's a very high chance its just an expression of dysphoria, i.e. fear of aging as a man specifically, but in either case you need to reconcile this before you can do anything else. You *will* age, all you can control is how you age. Even if you still look 20 at 40, *you will still be 40*. Not to mention, there's a lot more to life than just being a fuckable 20-something twink...

Like I said, I used to be afraid of aging, but since transitioning I'm now comfortable with aging as a woman because I've come into myself and aging is just continuing to live and grow as who I want to be. I suspect its a similar situation for you. The only additional guidance I can offer here is that a lot of this fell into place for me only after I changed how I expressed myself. Just having the physical changes while still being a guy simply couldn't be as impactful. This is why boymoders are permanently stuck in the first 6 months of their transition.

Alright, let's say I want to look twinkish longer

what are the actual downsides to HRT beyond the obvious ones like breasts and penis problems?

>>44582767
estrogen does not preserve the youthful look twinks and femboys need. it only holds off further masculinization. There is a reason none of the old femgen posters who use to take hrt are still around and ive seen the result of some of these

>>44607484
Meant for >>44582807

>>44607420
switching from health problems associated to men to ones associated to women like varicose veins or arthritis to name two

>>44582780
Ts started like 4 years ago with the second wave of 12 year olds invading zoomer spaces after "catching" groomers because a yt category and they couldn't bait preds on disc/roblox anymore

>>44582789
>had saggy skin all over and looked like he had so little bone density he was about to collapse in on himself.
You're describing literally everyone over 50.

>>44607420
literally every anti-aging effect of estrogen you can achieve with 100x more effectiveness and none of the unappealing side effects through skincare and supplements.

I'll never look like a woman but that's okay. I have a fairly masculine skeleton and skull but everything else about me is androgynous. I have clear skin, very little body hair, virtually no stubble and despite having a "mature" hairline I'm not anywhere past a Norwood 2.5, maybe 3 if I wanna he fair and have an overall decent head of hair. I have been called a twink more than a couple times. Would it be embarrassing and a waste of time to start HRT? Really my only worry is my family and friends thinking I'm a tranny and losing out on my dating pool. Also the male libido is kinda fun but at the same time I abuse the shit out of anything that gives me dopamine, that's why I'm a current alcoholic gamer and former pothead.

>>44608063
>skincare and supplements.
you can't say this and not go into details

>>44608121
at least nuke your DHT asap, there's no reason to have it past 20

>>44608273
use tretinoin, sunscreen every day + reapplication, and moisturizer. supplement hyaluronic acid, collagen, and biotin. avoid sun exposure. don't smoke or drink. don't get fat or hairy.

this will improve your skin 1000% more than just being on estrogen would. both men and women who don't do any of these things have terrible skin. for face fat loss use volufiline or get filler/fat transfer.

>>44608287
True. I'm just saying, should I upgrade to HRT or is it too much of a bad fit for me you think? Obviously the hair is important to keep but I do wanna block new body hair. I'm okay right now but it's slowly getting more noticable and I don't want that at all. If I can block that while getting nice skin, fat redistribution and a slightly less moided neck and shoulders then I dunno, it's worth considering. Besides, as morbid as this sounds, my parents might not be here 30 years from now, but I will. But yeah the dating is still a huge concern.

>>44583455
Israel killed that young man

>>44605626
i'd probably be a tranny if i weren't hot as a feminine male. i am flat chested but i am like a more fem troye sivan type. btw he looks better now than 10 years ago too. twinkdeath is fake

>>44608335
Sugar also destroys your skin and you need to work out after 30 or your appearance goes to shit.

>>44607484
i am still around though >>44604960
>>44606283
pretty much me
>>44606270
trvke tbdseu
i would be conventionally hotter if i just went on steroids like clav twunk masc4masc types but i like being fem too much even though its a lot of work, i enjoy it, and i feel like i was destined for it. im also kinda autistic in the rebellious pioneer way and i want to see what its like to grow old as a third gender anomaly. i think its going to be cool
>>44606513
this is true. peter pan syndrome only affects males for this reason. women anti aging is about looking fuckable rather than looking like a teenager, they arent afraid to look more womanly the way peter pan syndromers are afraid to look manly.

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>>44608063
(You) on the right

>>44607420
nothing. and penile atrophy can be avoided altogether by beating it once a week

>>44610486
oh unless you want to impregnate a woman I guess that would be more difficult

>>44610477
what are you talking about? i think everyone with gender dysphoria should medically transition. but you shouldn't medically transition because you think it will make you look like a 16yo twink forever. 40 year old trans women look like 40 year old women.

if you want to be a woman, transition. if you want to look youthful, take care of your appearance. i'm not here to discourage mtfs, just retards who think hrt will magically de-age them into a shota.

>>44608369
>on /lgbt/
>in a thread called 'twinkdeath'
yes. just a hunch

>>44610507
sorry you just sounded like a gigachud trying to mislead people whose actual desire is to look female lol. anyway if actual cis guys start hrt and don't like it they'd notice pretty quick so what's the harm in encouraging them to try it?

>>44610525
>if actual cis guys start hrt and don't like it they'd notice pretty quick
not mtf but from what i can tell most of the effects of hrt that men wouldn't like, like breast growth and erectile dysfunction, are pretty gradual.

anyways,i don't think there's anything wrong with trying hrt if you're questioning your gender or want to look feminine. but if you're a cis man who wants to look like a man, and you're just trying to take care of your appearance, there are a lot of steps that can be taken before estrogen, which from a male perspective has minimal rewards and very high risks.

then again, it's probably not likely that any man even willing to consider hrt to treat 'twink death' is actually fully cis.

>>44603538
its not me its hetero pornstar Alex D
>>44603629
Only if filters are used but even then it can only hide so much

>>44610577
>>44610493
lowkey true if you're nuking your dht you shouldn't be breeding already so why not just make the jump to e anyway

>>44582767
Next to nonexistent.
Can't be a twink after 20 is an exaggeration, but there is a wall, at 35 at the latest, when the rest of adult masculinization is in its final phase. For most men, 25-28 is the limit realistically.

>>44601470
Why, do bears age better then twinks

>>44583455
mogs me

>>44612060
males age into bears. twinks all stop being twinks. it's a simple numbers game

>>44582801
have you never looked at anything from /pol/

>>44613680
I've taken a few ganders in my time. no idea what you mean though

People are making fun of the top row being unrealistic, but does anybody actually look like how the 30 year old on the bottom does at that age in reality?

>>44614063
Jason Alexander was 30 during the filming of Seinfeld.

>>44614063
are we getting ageblind gen alphas on 4chan now

>>44614063
the bottom row is exaggerated on purpose. it is true that most 30 year old men don't look like that. what most 30 year old men do look like, though, is 30 year old men

>>44614186
grim

>>44583455
I knew a guy like this

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>>44582767
>is "a 40-year-old twink" an actual thing?

Yes.

>>44582767
Thats not true. Im 35 and i look like a garbage bag

im abt to turn 32 and i look like dogshit

>>44582767
this guy probably just means hes not balding. for some people thats literally it. also contrary to what brainwormed tranners think, being a "twink" is not the same thing as being a "femboy" which is also not the same thing as being trans. frankly if you hit 40 while maintaining a nice body, a full hairline and a skincare routine you're basically a fucking god compared to everyone else around you at that point.

t. 38 year old twunk

>>44615460
at what point does a twink become a twunk

First now getting time to continue to reply to stuff

>>44602083
>>44602090
I assume this was meant as a reply to >>44601799 ?

>it will significantly change your appearance no matter when you start. some people who start really late and think they're neverpassers start inexplicably passing, it does happen

Good to know, but I also don't wanna get my hopes up too much

>litter.catbox.moe
Alright, I'll try to do this later, I need to spend some time thinking about what photos I want to post, I don't really post myself online much

>anamaxxers are retarded
Anamaxxers?

>it's fine if you're a normal amount of skinny though
As in, a low body fat % is fine if I'm skinny, or? Isn't skinnyness itself decided by body fat % to begin with? I don't think my overall skeletal build is lithe if that's what you're asking, my torso is pretty wide, I think

>>44603318
>>44603538
>>44603629
>>44603359
I think he looks great, the fact you all are not impressed is not making me confident in posting my own face (though I maybe look a tad younger then him in that respect?) and certainly not my body. But I guess I gotta rip the bandaid off and get someone else's opinion at some point

>>44616527
Ran out of space, so continuing:

>>44604960
When did you start HRT?

>>44606513
Thank you for your input. Honestly it's hard for me to say how much of it is aging fear vs legit gender identity stuff. If you have a discord or a twitter or anything you're comfortable giving me further input with or answering questions from, let me know. (EX a throwaway discord I made you could add me on is tempthrowaway_53271)

>>44608287
Is there a way to do this selectively rather then a larger suite of HRT?

>>44608335
>>44609243
>work out
Got any suggestions on fitness resources, especially if I also decide to do HRT?

>>44582767
at 23 i looked like a 40 year old man, then i took hrt and actually started looking my age, hopefully this continues instead of me looking like a 50 year old bald man at 30. its sad i just wanted to look like griffith

>>44616535
>When did you start HRT?
i never really started since i only hondose, but off and on since 21

>>44612055
Boy am I glad I got on e three months before I turned 35 haha...
Wish I'd have started 15+ years earlier, but I only really started to accept myself, let myself be who I want to be a year ago and work on my severe anxiety.

>>44618126
better late than never, yolo

OP's comic is insane lmfao I hit twink death at 25 and immediately started HRT because the dysphoria became unbearable
I'm incredibly grateful hrt undid all the lines that were forming on my face even if I now just kind of look like a twink with visible tits

>>44618161
do you still have the lines on those ugly, cloudy, overcast days ? i swear i feel like i’m twinkdead on those days.

>>44618182
I only ever see them start to come back if I'm dehydrated or something really
I'm constantly drinking water and using moisturizer nowadays.
I'm sure they'll inevitably return in another 5-10 years but I can only hope I'm feminized enough that aging won't hurt as bad this time around

i'm late 30s but could be mistaken for mid 20s.
getting carded all the time sucks, i'm just a regular short guy. i probably won't look much different at 40, as long as i continue using sunscreen and whatnot. oh i'm not really a femboy, but i have the body an homosexual bottom, if that makes sense.

>>44615545
idk. i started lifting heavy in my mid 20s so thats what i mean.

>>44618270
This does remind me I should be using sunscreen more...
I got a second lease on youth from hrt smoothing out my wrinkles, I should probably do more to protect it than just using moisturizer and sunscreen when I'm exercising outdoors

>>44583455
Would hrt save him?

>>44618161
>>44618182
>>44618203
youre bullshitting because women are more prone to fine lines than men before 40 lol, are you mistaking shadows cast by your skin for wrinkles

bluds have a 7 step bidaily skincare routine and be like "must be the hrt"

>>44618203
nice!
>>44618299
oh, based

>thread about 40 year old feminine males
>a bunch of trannies circle jerking over estrogen
so it's not even a thread for feminine males, it's just another tranny shill and repper snakepit.

>>44619443
wanting to look feminine and not take hrt is a crazy handicap

>>44582773
At the rate retards on the internet believe? No.

>>44619668
by feminine i am referring to the concept of androgyne aesthetic, that does not mean male that looks like a female, but trannies can't understand that kind of logic since they're already brainwashed.

>>44582767
this is what twinks actually believe lmao
crossing the 24 y/o threshold you're already inexplicably hideous man

"femboy" is a specific anime porn shit thing it doesn't mean any femme man or gnc so no you aren't a "40 year old femboy" lol

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>>44582767
>twinks actually believe they're twinks forever
this is you at 25

>>44619750
why does hrt cross the line but not shit like lasering and makeup and surgery for cis men

>>44619784
nigga, no normal dude is getting laser hair removal wtf?

>>44582767
It's as much of a thing as 1000-year-old lolis and the same reason why the meme is just a drawing.

>>44619793
Society doesn't think androgynous feminine men are normal either.

>>44582767
Twink death hit me late 20s

>>44619777
Stop posting children on this website

>>44616527
>Anamaxxers?
people who starve themselves because they think being emaciated is attractive
>As in, a low body fat % is fine if I'm skinny
no I meant 'low enough of a body fat % that you're just skinny and not ana'

>>44616527
>I think he looks great
we're not impressed cause he doesn't look like a woman lol we're troons that's the goal for us

>>44618871
cause it is. testosterone is poison
>>44619677
yes dear you'll still be just as cute at age 30 :>

>>44619954
>no I meant 'low enough of a body fat % that you're just skinny and not ana'

So, you mean that the fat redistribution from HRT will still be significant at normal levels of being skinny?

>>44619803
it is actually proven that straight w*men prefer a mate with a softer looking face, like it's biologically programmed in their brains to reproduce with androgynous dudes so idk wat ur talkin' bout.

>>44620188
>current cultural values are bIoLoGy
thst s not how norms work and soft skin doesn't make a man androgynous by itself

>>44620269
wasn't there a greek dude who made a twink his "wife"? androgynous males have always been a thing

>>44620280
you keep jumping from argument to argument when the fact that even feminine men are still ostracized remains

>>44620157
what fucking fat redistribution happens if you're anorexic? do you think hrt just moves existing fat from one part of your body to another lol?

similarly you still need to shave if you just started taking hrt, existing body hair won't get thin on its own because it already fucking grew

>>44620007
not really, estrogen has nothing to do with the damage caused by UV rays or even simple constant skin motion

>>44620485
i'll show u constant skin motion..

>>44620485
bones, man. bones.

>>44620404
trvke

>>44619803
feminine guys are a long establish archetype

>>44619793
i've seen plenty of cis men get laser, it depends on ur age and where u live but most zoomers in my area don't like body hair on any gender, even cishets

>>44620607
trans women too

>>44620652
my bf likes my body hair, there's no reason for me to get rid of it

>>44620652
body hair is so hot though i saw an old movie with nic cage in it and i was losing my grip

>>44620674
>>44620677
i think its mostly a tiktok hygiene olympics thing bc people are just calling anyone who's unshaved nasty and stinky rn, even men

>>44620689
i never grew body hair to begin with so i can tell when someone shaves it, it looks unnatural and feels like genetic appropriation unless they are trans or gay bottoms

>>44620714
shut up

>>44620607
nobody is contesting that you illiterate fuck?????

>>44620714
social outcasts who spend all day on 4chan really will make up literally anything to feel superior about

>>44620731
>>44620735
struck a nerve :3

>>44620767
i'm also naturally hairless retard i just don't care or think it's impressive

>>44620714
>genetic appropriation
just saying anything

>>44620652
its because of anime and kpop

genetic appropriators are raping me

>>44620767
trans and bottoms aren't the same. one demographic is crazy and the other is normal. take your guess as to which is which