>>44593325
Trvke the tranny stereotype in the slightly online cis mind used to be quiet IT hon and now it’s seattle bambi poly puppy BPD nightmare. We need to get a lot quieter about some stuff NOW.

>>44593325
>the very best of us speak, the passoids
fucking lmao

>>44593325
>>in the olden days
Basically nobody here would have been able to transition because doctors took a very limited amount of patients and even then most people were disqualified for dumb shit like being zesty

>>44593391
Yes, and i say this as a non passing hon.

Im happy to shut the fuck up and stay in the background whilst the passoids tell normies whats what. Do you really need to hear my truth?

If i piped up and said "well actually not all trans women want a vagina, im very happy with my dick", is that helping or hindering? Would being quiet not be the better option at this point?

>>44593422
I was thinking more about gay men.

Gay men had this image of being funny, charming and well dressed. Thats true for some, but most were slobs. The slobs were kept out back and only the good looking ones spoke up.

Im happy to be a background hon, if tranners must easier on the eye can convince a few normies thats terfs are full of shit.

Also transition in the 2020s is more about a personal statement than a private medical decision. People dont want to transition, they want to be trans

>>44593370
The tranny stereotype was prostitute or serial killer

>>44593325
People were making identical arguments ten years ago, and likely ten years before that, and before that, etc. We've always had bad optics and it's had little to no bearing on how accepting or unaccepting any given time has been.

>>44593749
Identical arguments and no one listens. Nah the 2000s was better than now.

The point stands, why do hons speak up when its unwanted. If its to share their experiences, thats good. But often its a "gotcha" or some autistic screeching because of something deemed problematic, like saying having a dick isnt male genitalia

>>44593735
Or just a pervert. Zoomer retconning is insane. My parents, who were woke for their time, have a story about a college classmate and friend who married a guy who trooned out after marriage, and they tell it as a comedy about weird deluded fags doing weird fag shit. She's actually a respected professional, not some AGP zoomer with 2 years of tech experience and a chemsex addiction, but being trans made people reduce her to just some weird fag.

It's a trick. It's a psyop designed to make us unable to work together by making us all think each other are completely unreasonable trolls.

You don't even NEED TO IMPERSONATE SOMEONE. You can just reply to conversations you're not a part of pretending to be an incorrigible asshole.

>>44593776
Now she wouldn't even have a job. Progess!

>>44593767
>Nah the 2000s was better than now.
Exactly my point. Our representation was just as shit back then, yet normalfags didn't really care about trannies. None of this optics shit matters and you're wasting your time complaining about it.

>>44593839
>you're wasting your time complaining about it.

Yes but its 4chan, 95% of here is wasting time. All im saying is maybe we shouldnt make the devil's job easier.

>>44593839
>None of this optics shit matters

It should matter to us, hons with dicks shouldnt be laughing at srs havers when bad shit happens to us all, this just shows how spiteful society has become

>>44593325
bending the knee to normies doesn't get you anywhere. it's idiotic to blame the minority getting attacked instead of the oppressor doing the attacking. if they only support trannies who look and act "normal" then their support is conditional and they're not going to help us. the lookism rhetoric is only parroted by conservatives trying to divide the trans movement to make it weaker and useful idiot trans people who don't realize what is happening.
>>44593767
one of said useful idiots
the 2000s was better than now? are you genuinely retarded? fascists have latched onto us as a political tool but we still have more rights and social acceptance than ever. guarantee you were born after 9/11

>>44594742
>we still have more rights and social acceptance than ever

I mean, thats just not true though is it

>>44593370
you seem stupid

>>44594781
it is true and I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

>>44593325
The greatest spokesfolx of the queer community is an 18 year old cishet white girl who hates her father, identifies as stargender, and is sexually attracted to John, 50. Fae believes that it is transphobic to hate your genitals and has a special relationship with wombynhood, but is primarily concerned with the lack of brown bodies in queer groups like the one fae is president of.

>>44593776
>just some weird fag.
Accurate

>>44593325
why do you make this shit up? normies let the 'best of us' speak because they found it more interesting. "this totally fuckable chick used to be a GUYYY???" nowadays women find it interesting to exploit gay men and trannies for their own quirky fashion hopping ways + to signal their tolerance for their lessers, and normies at large find it useful to exploit '55yo 6'2 hons who aren't on hrt'.
you can stop pretending we have literally any power whatsoever in how we're represented by straggots now.

>>44596545
NTA, but by having been alive and out as a trans person for 2 decades, and being in touch with trans elders who've been around for even longer. In my city/country our conditions peaked around 10 years ago at the latest. Our healthcare hasn't meaningfully improved since we got puberty blockers and modern surgical techniques back in the 80s or 90s, and availability of information is already maxed out with internet access. After that it's just public perception, and that's been going to shit for the past decade pretty much everywhere.

>in the olden days we let the very best of us speak, the passoids with srs, chosen to best represent marginalised communities

what the fuck. That is not the case. You had people who were out and writing memoirs etc that were clocky autistic white women; they just had money. In the media you either had completely passing women, for shock value or fetishization purposes, or those who didn't pass for comedic purposes. We didn't really get to SPEAK for ourselves per se. It was just Jerry Springer, or the Crying Game, or as hooker corpse #287 on a crime drama, and that was it.

If you mean in doctors' writings, yes, they chose to highlight passing women with full SRS because they unofficially made fuckability a diagnostic criterion. Those women didn't really get to speak either; they were usually in deep stealth somewhere. And they didn't represent us; they avoided other trans women, including passing, "normal" ones, like the plague, and successfully avoided the housing, job, and on-the-street discrimination that was a big part of the trans experience at the time.

t. came out in 2004, worked in trans community, many trans friends from previous decades

>>44600825
So why is it, in the age of social media, trans people are doing gotchas?

Approach a man, say "do you want to have sex", obviously the man says yes, then they drop their voice and call the man gay, whilst filming it for content.

This is supposed to be empowering, feeding into nazi ideas that trans people are inherently deceptive

>>44603143
don't social media <3

>>44603164
I mean, you say the community could never speak for itself, and when it does speak for itself, its causes damage

>>44593325
Why Thailand is the highest?

>>44603231
They separate between ladyboys and transwomen.

>>44594742
>if they only support trannies who look and act "normal" then their support is conditional
holy autism
every single adult is supported/loved conditionally to a certain extent. not even children are supported/loved fully unconditionally.

>>44603264
not really... lady boy is just a term used by sex workers mainly or bad english, old trannies sometimes call themselves transvestites but in thai word is sao praphet which is like second type woman

>>44594742
>then their support is conditional
All support is conditional.
The only unconditional support you'll ever get, is maybe from your parents.

>>44593325
You need to gatekeep trannyism from agp fetishists. Because you won't be able to sell the idea of giving rights to fetishists.

>>44600825
>You had people who were out and writing memoirs etc that were clocky autistic white women;
They weren't adamant in the push for society to call them women.

>>44603334
Womanhood is observed not gifted, dickhead

>>44594742
except when it looks like the increased presence of minorities in question looks like normies wearing a minority mask, subverting the needs and rights of the existing minority
if their support is conditional on supporting everyone that claims to be trans or doesn't even need to do that just wear nail polish or something, then they don't really support trans people and the need to transition

>>44603663
Saying trans women are equal to women, is nonsense.
Being born female and living all your life as one, isn't replicable by hormones and plastic surgery.
Keep trying to rewrite reality, and the public's pushback will remain.

>>44604018
>Saying trans women are equal to women, is nonsense
correct.
trans women are superiour to cis women.

>>44604041
>trans women are superiour to cis women.
Sure.
All those medications and surgery, to imitate women, are proof of it.

>>44593731
>People dont want to transition, they want to be trans
this was true for all of two seconds

>>44603663
>sovereignty is not given, it is taken
trvke we must mass produce passoids for the glorious tranny revolution

>>44604215
medications and surgery developed for women desu

>>44593325
>great britain last
every time

>>44604018
you say that. until we pass.
then you can't tell.

>>44604018
how does it feel to know that any woman you interact with could be a stealth passoid and you'd never know

>>44593731
>Also transition in the 2020s is more about a personal statement than a private medical decision. People dont want to transition, they want to be trans

people who don’t medically transition are transvestite drag queens.

>>44604665
Last for everything, its a crumbling shithole. And the people are pure evil

>>44604730
>any woman you interact with could be a stealth passoid and you'd never know
Again. Being born a woman, living all your life as one, isn't replicable.
There's also a lot of wishful thinking and circle jerking among trannies. The alleged passoids, don't actually pass.
Prove the opposite by naming famous or semi-famous passoids.

>>44593370
actually as a cis person my primary image of trannies is this board.

>>44604670
>you say that. until we pass.
>then you can't tell.
Is that the dysphoria talking?
I don't believe I've ever met or seen a trans woman and said ''they pass''.

>>44605175
if they're famous they're not stealth obviously. but one doesn't need to go looking for long online before they find a passoid

>>44605312
Ok. Post an example.
Literally never seen one.
Transpassing reddit. 0 trans women in it pass.

>>44603334
>They weren't adamant in the push for society to call them women.

That doesn't mean they didn't know that they were women. Trans people didn't assert ourselves fully to cis people because it was pointless at the time. What you could ask for was not doing physical violence to us, tolerance, awareness, and a little bit of empathy.

>>44603143
>So why is it, in the age of social media, trans people are doing gotchas?

I'm not sure quite what you're talking about. I think this may be an algorithm specific thing.

>>44606136
>I'm not sure quite what you're talking about

Yes you do lol

>>44606105
>reddit
there's your problem. anyway sorry for not making it my personal mission to folder every passoid I see on this board to satisfy you personally, I've got better things to do I'm afraid

>>44609299
You can't find one either, even though you claimed most trannies pass.
Got it.
It's the face width at the temples, most of the times. Practically impossible to fix.

>>44609412
nta but who the hell do you think you are?
you're nobody, just like us. what entitles you to free labour from anyone of us? cut the narcissism, anon. you're not here to have your opinion changed anyway so there is no reason for anyone to bother trying.
you are not owed examples. and that's the point of passing: to no longer have to explain to fucktards like you anything :)

>>44609412
>you claimed most trannies pass
when? I said anyone could be a passing tranny

>>44593714
Passoids can be non op too, that has nothing to do with being a hon

>>44609622
>free labour
Lol. If you make a claim, people will ask for proof.
I'm not trying to make you work.

>>44610066
browse the board yourself, they appear frequently >>44588592

>>44609734
>I said anyone could be a passing tranny
That means claiming that trannies passing is a common thing.
But ok.
Also, that's not even the point.
You can't replicate being born female, and living your whole life as one.
For example, can you replicate the experience of being a black person?
No.
It's considered racist to claim you fully understand a black person's experience.
It follows that you also can't replicate a female's experience.
And I don't feel anything knowing a tranny could pass. It doesn't bother me, at all.

>>44610094
Not passing, because of width of face.
I'm not trying to be mean.
Merely giving you the normie non-circle jerk point of view.

>>44610117
>Merely giving you the normie non-circle jerk point of view
Cut the crap. Normies don't give af. Your opinion is marginal, not normie.

>>44610107
>That means claiming that trannies passing is a common thing
no it doesn't. but yeah it is

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>>44610107
>implying there's only one female experience and a common denominator shared by all women
>implying trans women's life experiences don't count

>>44608706
>Yes you do lol

Oh that's unexpected. No, I quite literally do not. I might be too much of a boomer, who knows.

>>44610232
>and a common denominator shared by all women
The common denominator is being born female, and living all your life as one.
From the moment you're born, getting treated as the female you are.
It's not that hard to understand.
You can't replicate that experience.

>>44610216
They're not passing.
The more you insist that trans women are equal to women, the less support you'll get from the public.
You can't replicate the female experience.

>>44610164
>Normies don't give af
Polls show a significant decrease in the public's support.
I'm done with my PSA of how off-putting your assertions have become, to the average person.
It's not me the one who'll suffer for not listening to reason.

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>>44612618
that's right, keep abusing the copium, it'll never run out

>>44612743
she looks like my aunt

>>44612638
>Polls show a significant decrease in the public's support
In two countries. Not everywhere else.
The world is not one giant angloidistan.

>>44612638
>how off-putting your assertions have become, to the average person.
ah yes such heinous corruptions of moral Truth as
"I should probably have access to healthcare so I'm not miserable for the rest of my life"
"I should be allowed to have my legal documents updated so I'm not immediately outed to everyone who sees them"
"people should not be incarcerated with the express purpose of being raped"
"please don't mob lynch me"

>>44610826
Well boomer anon, what happens is a very pretty, passing tranner will wonder the streets interviewing men and ask them if they'll sleep with her. Then she says "actually I'm a man" and its meant as a joke.

>>44613387
This is too much for the average Republican or Brit.

What do you mean, NOT cause harm? Bit its a human right to cause harm to others