Anyhon here genuinely don't care about AGP or getting accused of it? I don't mean in that I deny it exists or don't believe in it, but literally not phased by it and view it as a neutral term, or harmless fetish. I don't see why it's used as an insult or why moralfags bring it up against trannies. Likewise I don't see any reason to be happy/proud of it, autogynephilia just is.
>>44607855if you think about it, autogynephilia is less objectionable than heterosexuality or homosexualityimagine admitting that you are biologically compelled to stick part of your body into someone else's body, couldn't be me
>>44607855Any term that's overused eventually causes people to become desensitized to it.
queer, autistic, schizo were medical terms an/or insults once upon a time so yeah
>>44607951I was thinking how autosexuality including agp should be considered part of the 'asexual spectrum', but phrasing it like that on here makes me feel like a woke tumblrite.>>44607954It's not even just that, I've never seen why it was used that way from the first time I learned about it. I can see why Blanchard would be seen as offensive to some, but agp itself I never got that.
>>44608061it's cleaner to think about auto/allo sexuality as a separate concept from sexual orientation
I still don't know why wearing skimpy clothes for ewhoring is agp but I kinda don't care
>>446078554cuck becomes more sneed every day
>>44608265chart nona?
>>44607855Because the whole theory revolve around the idea that trannies (both agp and hsts) are men who troon for sexual reasons, it also rails up the puritanism in society
>>44608407>Because the whole theory revolve around the idea that trannies (both agp and hsts) are men who troon for sexual reasons, it also rails up the puritanism in societyi agreemost people do most things for sexual reasons, like all animals dowhy do people bother going to work? probably sexual reasons at the end of the day
>>44608265Nice chart, I could actually see myself understanding this framework. Is this something you self cooked, or some genuine formal gender theory
>>44607855I think it's stupid when people deny it exists
>>44608458i've spent time thinking about the concepts and how they fit together, but it's an illustration of what was mainstream published sexology, no different than what anne lawrence, ray blanchard and michael bailey wrote already, drawing it is trivial but emphasises the auto/allo attraction axis is conceptually independent of the andro/gyne attraction axis and considering the axes together does useful work in distinguishing meaningful clusters of peopleanne lawrence put together a framework for understanding not just transsexuality but all unusual sexualities as manifestations of the auto-allo axis. for example, there are people who want to fuck statues, and there are people who want to be statues. there are men who want to fuck amputees and there are men who want to be amputees. and of course there are men who love women and men who want to be women. quite often they'll traverse from one to the other. how to include GAMPs is left as an exercise for the reader
>>44608371You say that but when was the last time /AGPgen/ was up?
>>44608572Hahaha this sounds fun. GAMP is probably someone on the right side x axis of allosexuality, potentially leaning either slightly up or down depending on if you prefer femboys or futa. True cis bisexuals are all the way to the right of allosexuality. AGAMP trans people who like their gock but want a vagina like me are just like that, but with the slider way to the autosexuality side
>>44608265I know cis gay women saying agp is common for them
>AGP>think vaginas are gross and I'm not sexually aroused by them or by female bodies>never had a gf or any relationship like that, was never attracted to any womanexplain this
>>44608666there's some scientific support for this view, considering GAMPs have patterns of attraction closer to AGPs, they'd possibly be at an intermediate point on the autosexual-allosexual axis, but still gynephilic, so halfway between straight men and AGP MtFs>>44608720you're so AGP that you're essentially nullsexual, you're fully and completely satisfied by the only woman in your life being yourselfthis is a known thing
>>44608720fetishing your repressed homosexuality, bottom = female/failed male, top = male, the heteronormative shame is why it turns you on to be the girl because you're being tabooooooo OoOoOo slayyyyyyy
>>44608737all of my sexual fantasies revolve around being female, like completely female, with XX chromosomes, a female reproductive system but with no other like aesthetic desires. I don't like anything gay (with other women) or MEF/sissy shit as it is just too degrading while imagining myself as a woman having sexual intercourse with a man (normal sex) is just the hottest thing everI would like to try dating men after FFS and ideally SRS because I want companionship and I'm lonely and I think we could make the sex work
>>44608666>>44608737Picrel
>>44608737The more I think about it, the more I feel like an outlier I am from this board. Everyone talks about wanting to be 100% girls like AGPs hating their penis, or HSTS only wanting sex with men and being fembrained. I keep thinking to myself, don't I just want to be a futa tomboy? I don't mind my male bone structure, penis, muscle, or male fashion, but hate my balls, the visceral fat distribution, and skin oiliness and large pores. I wish I had a vagina and had a cute belly, but I hate seeing and hearing hyperfem mannerisms, which is stopping me from voicetraining. Ive always loved brash, confident, strong women, not really muscle mommies but in spirit. And even seeing theyfabs, I've always loved their masculine leaning fits. I would absolutely dick down an otokonoko, but it would take a really special cis guy to turn me girly. What the fuck is wrong with me?
>>44609012>What the fuck is wrong with me?Unironically: nothing.None of this shit matters. Like at all.Life is short. Do whatever you find good for you and that's it.
>>44609012we are the future <3
>>44609781Well yeah from a humanistic perspective, im gonna troon out and try and be happy. But I mean from like a clinical neurological and sexology perspective, isn't the story that irregular sex hormone exposure to fetal brains alters development? Then how the fuck did i end up halfway in between?
>>44609840>isn't the story that irregular sex hormone exposure to fetal brains alters development? Then how the fuck did i end up halfway in between?You will never find out. The "story" is also shady. Studies that tried to confirm it ended up... well... not quite confirming it.The quest to find the "tranny gene" or the tranny accident (in utero or whatever) still goes on and there aren't any decent answers available and likely will never be. Not in our lifetimes anyway. And that's fine.I trooned out in spite of being explicitly told by the "experts" that I'm not a tranny. I just wanted to because I wanted to. That was 12 years ago. Instead of ruminating over meta-physical questions that are, for all intends and purposes, unanswerable, I went for what I wanted and I'm glad I did.You should do the same. "Why" is a question that keeps you busy for no reason.
>>44609932>"Why" is a question that keeps you busy for no reasonBut those are the most fun questions to ask!!! Ughhh I should really go for a PhD
>>44607855people dont object to agp they object to the fact that someone who looks like a man identifies with those feelings.
>>44609012halfway through reading your post my eyes glazed over, all these fucking words, all this nonsense.the same advice that has applied to everyone across all time is all you need. just make the best out of what you have. nobody experiences dysphoria the same way. its understandable to want to belong to the group and be one of the good ones, but its all fake and gender is insanely performative anyway. change what you dislike and accept what you're okay with and be that.
>>44608371Agpgen existed for many years before your trashy puppyhon incest Reddit colony was erected, 4troon...
>>44608493Being called an agp belittles and invalidates your entire world view. Of course agps would deny it if they are not the conventional hsts type. And most trans people online, especially on places where it's often dismissed as pseudoscience like Reddit, are clearly not hsts.
>>44612675>Of course agps would deny itI've never denied it, nor does it invalidate anything I believe.
>>44612678Alas, we're not on Reddit. Congratulations, you're not in the woke left controlled trenches
>>44607855yeah same idgi i guess its like internalized something ? im sorry i was trying to come up with a serious response and i just saw the image you fucking postted lmao
>>44607855oh nooo you're changing your SEX for SEXUAL reasons??? who could imagine. how evil. better to be a twink who wants to trick straight men into sleeping with him. better that than wanting to look hot for your own happiness. anyway I'm an autoandrophobe
>>44608061autosexuality isn't uncommon you know. most people are agp or aap, agp is just considered perverse in trannies because they're disgusting men invading on women's divinely ordained sole right to have agp
>>44607855yeah idgaf at this point, it was clear from the beginning they just throw it around to try and get you to do what they want, or to just get you to conform to their ultra conservative idea of femininity, anyways I'm immune to such mind tricks.
>>44614128waow
>>44607855the AGP moralfagging doesnt get me at all because my AGP has developed into full on GD (undeniably "trutrans") and envy whenever i see a hot passoid.unforch ive moved on the phase of "am i tru or faketrans" because i just look so fucking masculine its a debate of whether or not itd be worth spending a lifetime reliant on a chemical to barely satisfy my stupid retarded target-location-error gynephilia. its also purely anatomical, i am malebrained asf.
>>44608493Because blanched theories don't hold up.
>>44611417This, and furthermore this is the basis on which people assume you have a fetish even on no evidence.Man is when perpetually horny, therefore horny is when perpetually man.>>44613536AGP as I've seen it is something separate from normal female sexuality I think. There are elements that are pretty much only possible if you start without female anatomy.Or do cis women seriously get turned on by having to sit down to pee?
>>44614360>whether or not itd be worth spending a lifetime reliant on a chemicalthis is scarily accurate
>>44607855I used to care and now I'm over it. I'm agp you're agp we're all agp. Even the "hsts." Especially the "hsts."
>>44608493I am certain it exists. Too many people say they experience it and describe the experience in detail for me to think it never happens.Some people are also sexually aroused by vomit and feces, but I don't think those things are the keystones of human sexuality.>>44612675To be an hsts is to transition because you think you can pull it off and if you do you'll be able to date straight men. Literally no more trutrans than transitioning because you get a boner from wearing panties.I reject the notion that there are only two types of trannies, but I do not deny that those two types exist.
>>44614643yeah. maybe a little while back id be agonizing about if im trutrans or not but now its pure cost-benefit - should i really take HRT, cap my strength, become this weird male-not-male thing, and risk being socially ostracized? of course the answers are different depending on how bad your dysphoria is but i think ive largely made up my mind on this and ill just have to cope with being male.
>>44607855i've been mildy agp since I was 8 or 9. Its a harmless fetish that I've indulged fully at times but its not my entire sexuality or even the predominant one. I still ahve an active cishet normative sex life but I am not ashamed of my agp side- actually proud that I can tap into my feminine side and explore this part of me.
>>44612675the "being so gay you cut your dick off so as to have sex with more men" classification seems like it would be more invalidating than the "being aroused by looking like a girl" one imo
>>44607855does anyone else remember that time some terf podcast invited ray blanchard on specifically to ask him about why AGPs are actually just rapestick bathroom invaders and he deadpanned and just told them that people with AGP are transwomen for whom the most reliable treatment is hormone therapyAGP has never been "erm actually you're just an autistic male with a porn addiction" like retards want you to believe, but calling people addicts/perverts/rapists/etc is always the easiest way to dismiss them so here we are.
>>44607855It's because of the implicit associations that AGPs are ugly and gross etc.
>>44615740Yeah I remember watching that lol, and the amount of seething in the comment section was incredible to witness. Terfs calling Blanchard misogynistic and saying he didn't understand agp lmfao.
>>44608371sneed is the logical endpoint of trooning 4chan was simply behind the times on this one
I'm not even sure if I have AGP or not, actually, but I'm not bothered.I only want to be a women *some* of the time, cross dress or even just posting as a woman online. I am turned on by idea of being a woman, yes, and I am probably "porn brained", but my tendency to sometimes want to act like a woman started when I was a little boy and had nothing to do with sex at first. I wouldn't *mind* being a woman 24/7 but I strongly suspect if I was I'd do the opposite - post and dress as a man sometimes. For a long time I only noticed that sometimes I just didn't wanna fuck even when I had opportunities too, and thought it was an asexual thing. But what is really is, is sexual orientation flip-flops with my gender ideation. I can only picture myself fucking (by which I mean being *fucked by*) a man when I'm feeling female. I only feel like dicking a woman when I'm feeling male. But I can finger a woman all the time. I neither eat pussy nor suck cock, nor particularly want mine sucked.
>>44615755>It's because of the implicit associations that AGPs are ugly and gross etc.Yup. And the association with autism. TERFs rely on the fact that most normie women are absolutely repulsed by any natal male autist, including autistic cis men and autistic trans women and autistic AMAB enbies. Just absolutely makes them cringe. TERFs take that biological feature of the normie brain and exploit it against trans people all the time.
>>44609012oh yeah same. like 90% of your post. i even like being really tall im just a little bit into the too fucking tall range>tomboy>theyfabs, I've always loved their masculine leaning fitssame. i think im actually like mtftm or to theyfab if you can do that. i really like being on e but im also seriously looking at binders and still shopping for masc clothes but like my style is expanding a lot. and i really like shorter hair. i started following a theyfab nb person and its someone who im finally like yes goals 100%, not aspects, but exactly that. i never really feel guilty or shamed about it just fucking confused so i stopped really gaf and just do what ever i feel like.
>>44615740>>44615786Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Whoa.I need to hear this. Because it sounds like genuine gold.
>>44615740>>44615786lmao where is this?
>>44616005>>44616012Think I found it, Blanch shows up around 20 minutes in: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5m6VILKKkfI
perverts with autogynephilia are raping me
>>44607855yeah nah it's based, bl*nchard is a fraud anyway
>>44616357whats the good part... its so long...
>>44615559based
>>44608371it is inevitable....
>>44616357Listening now and holy shit you're right about the comments and chatters full of cope. It's comedy gold tbhon.
