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>>44655804
>Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
yeah, I try to appear as soft as possible whilst trying to keep looking edgy/messy/careless depending on the style. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be...

>>44655804
>QotT: Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
I think bi's have more flexibility in playing with masculine/feminine features than cissies because there is already an expectation of transgression. basically the worst you can be seen is as gay/lesbian if you go beyond gender norms, which for a cissy is a death sentence but if you're openly bi it's not a big deal.

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>>44655804
>QotT: Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
it depends, like if i am going to an event that is largely gay i will be more gay presenting if that makes sense
in general though, i don't flag in real life and im not sure if it affects how i present but people have clocked me as being bi for some silly things

>>44655804
>QotT
I think it makes me (cis m) effeminate. I only realized a year ago that people see me as effeminate and that my friends and family saw me as queer since I was a little boy.

I'm not interested in a lot of feminine stuff nor do I dress feminine, but I have always had, "the voice," some feminine mannerisms, and gotten overly emotional. I have always tried to suppress it (trying to talk with a deeper voice, act more masculine, etc), because it's embarrassing, but continuously fail to do so. However, I'm not sure being effeminate is because of my bisexuality. It might be more that both are independently caused by something else (whatever hormone / neurology makes people gay in the first place..).

>>44656843
>gotten overly emotional
im bad for this too honestly, well not that there's anything wrong with it but people expect men to be stoic unfeeling creatures

>>44655804
Thanks for making the thread and keeping bigen alive anon.

Do you folks have a favorite movie?
How about a favorite bi character in a movie (or a TV show or book)?

I'm not sure if I could pick a favorite movie. Some of my faves are Alien, Aliens, Life is Beautiful, The Grand Budapest Hotel, and The Holdovers.

>>44657041
Yeah, thank you OP anon! : )

>>44655804
I don't dress to attract anyone, so no.
Just utilitarian.

>>44657146
Lord of the Rings, bladerunner 2049, Lighthouse, uhhhhh I'm forgetting something... that's some of them anyway.

i wanna get PEGGGEDED
my true sexual orientation is peg-sexual. bifaggotry is just a compromise.

>>44655804
i think i'm pretty sterotypically straight in my presentation. i put zero effort into how i dress and my hygine is very straight-coded. i use laundry soap as bodywash and apply it to myself using a brush for washing dishes.

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>>44657146
>How about a favorite bi character in a movie (or a TV show or book)?
lestat from the vampire chronicles by anne rice.
>Do you folks have a favorite movie?
here's some of mine

>>44657916
>i use laundry soap as bodywash and apply it to myself using a brush for washing dishes.
lole

>>44655804
>Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
only in the bedroom with men.

>>44660295
wym

>>44660334
it means, Im a straight chadlet on the street and in bed with women...but in bed with men, im a little panty wearing semon demon

>>44660392
https://youtu.be/nrYSSAU4Rek

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did you do anything fun over the weekend bigen?

>>44660520
sorry didnt watch- what are you trying to say?

>>44659789
"woolite delicates", if you wanna try. i feel so fucking clean when i use it.

>>44661627
I had sex friday night. that was fun.

>>44661654
watch it lol

>>44662027
hell yeah

>>44663001
>hell yeah
thats pretty much what I was thinking lol. It had been awhile and it felt good to really get some rather than just fantasy. We were able to take our time and savor for multiple rounds

>>44661627
Meditated. Had a breakdown. Meditated some more. Jacked off so well I bounced out of a depression. Meditated.
The meditation is really coming along.

>>44663144
>Jacked off so well I bounced out of a depression
is it possible to learn this power?

>>44663613
Tantric practice. Though from my experience the success rate is pretty spotty, so it was a lucky break, most of the time it makes the depression worse.
I'd recommend the meditation though, lot more consistent.

>>44663837
the enlightened gooner
i kneel

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>>44664129
20 min a day is a lot over a year.

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>>44667484
cute

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how do you feel about the term queer bigen?

>>44655804
>QotT: Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
Not really at all. I'm cis male and I don't have any feelings of anything different. My wife is a trans-woman so gender presentation is more her realm. Since I am Bi she can relax a bit more at home and not have to put too much into her appearance and I still find her absolutely beautiful.

>>44657146
>Do you folks have a favorite movie?
Jurassic Park

>>44661627
Mostly played various Pokémon ROM hack fan games while watching my wife play Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Went to my brother-in-laws place to celebrate his daughter's 2nd birthday with my wife.

>>44669114
>she can relax a bit more at home and not have to put too much into her appearance and I still find her absolutely beautiful.
happy for u two anon

i've never met a bi dude that wasn't a lying cheating piece of trash. it's no wonder they're all in the closet. who would want to be known as a POS lol

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>>44668966
I find it a bit queer.

>>44669253
those behaviors aren't specific to bi people : )

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>>44669263
wise post

>>44669300
correct! but it's 100% in one specific population. we're talking about different things friendo. are you a bi dude?

>>44669431
yep and ive never cheated and don't lie to people, also not in the closet

>>44669253
>I've repeatedly dated trash people
>this says something about an entire group of people rather than it saying something about me

>>44669464
I can see why you'd try to divert the conversation then lol.

>>44669431
I'm a bi dude that's only slept with one person, married them and then they cheated on me.
So uh...

>>44669503
im directly addressing what you are saying?

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I hate living in Cleveland
The apps are geriatric hospitals, all the twinks are twink4twink and all the trans people are T4T

>>44670702
Maybe you're just ugly and your dick's small and you have no rizz and stack no paper.

>>44670764
I am handsome but masc and my dick is fine
Might be right about the rizz and the paper though

>>44670702
I’m in Toledo area and desu it’s tough here
the queer scene is very small and I’m too enbymaxxed from estrogen to attract most straight ppl atp

I don’t like the apps though so maybe it’s a me problem

>>44670979
my phone keeps autocorrecting thingd to desu and I’m gonna kms with a shotgun

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>>44670979
It's just strange meeting people without the apps
Specifically queer spaces usually cater to sapphics or bears
I'm too masc for sapphics and not interested in bears or leather

>>44671066
Im just terrified of ppl recognizing me from pre-transition and it becoming a whole thing.

I like masc guys and butch women but not hypermasc dudes... as for bears I’m not rlly tuned into gay male culture at all so I have no idea what they are up to around here. I’ve become a shutin lately until I pass better desu.

>>44669506
rough

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>>44672576
Don't ask god for smaller jars, ask him for more lube.

>>44661627
Had a meetup with my school friends to play catan and told em I am bi, was awkward but they seemed pretty chill about it, I have a suspicion one of them is also cause he was wearing scuffed jeans and another gay friend told me they had sex but he's a compulsive liar so idk

>>44674283
did u win catan tho?

>>44655804
>QotT: Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
I'm bigender and I really feel like my attraction to men is from the female side of my gender identity. That is, I'm attracted to men in a way that is womanly rather than gay. Its been like this since I was little girlboy. I repressed it during my teens and later, and pretended not to find men attractive at all.

Even later when I realized I was bigender, I initially assumed I was only into chicks. But then all of a sudden I just spontaneously started finding men attractive. And I suddenly remembered guys I'd known in the ensuing years, that I now remembered as being hot. Like someone went back and edited that back into my old memories.

>>44671066
this is pretty real, i always thought it was weird how polarized the gay scenes are in real life
can't just be a regular guy or girl you have to be a twink or a bear or a dyke, etc, etc

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we have a vanity for the lgbt fren server linked in the op now
https://discord.gg/frenserver

https://youtu.be/h2ou2A_-8JU?si=-gPrBOWOPfKtud7Q

i doubt anyone watched this video because it's way too long but I thought some things in it were interesting

basically they're saying that bisexual people have higher rates of depression and minority stress and intimate violence not just because they don't fit in with either label of gay or straight but because those labels are built around the whole "born this way" ideology which doesn't really work at all for bisexuals and thus they have to be excluded by both sides. Also explains why there's so many random flags for non-straight/gay sexualities, people outside the binary feel like they need to create their own binary (which doesn't really work)

>>44676064
>the whole "born this way" ideology which doesn't really work at all for bisexuals
Does it explain why it doesn't work? Or is it just bigotry?

>>44676064
>2 hours
i will watch at some point and give u my thoughts anon

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>>44676064
I watched some of this but It seemed way too focused very specifically with the problems of portraying a bisexual in film, which doesn't really interest me. Their video essay on the fashion of sci-fi futures is pretty good though.

>>44676077
yes that's like most of the video past the 40 min mark
basically the "ethnic model" was taken from the civil rights movement. Think about arguing with someone who's racist about why they should respect black people. If they genuinely believe black people are all criminals, etc. then most arguments to treat them fairly don't make sense, but the argument "they're born that way, they can't help it" in a weird way does work... but it's somewhat short sighted. It does work and the gay movement took the same approach. They basically said, "gay people don't have a choice!"... except bisexuals clearly have a choice. It means bisexuals aren't viewed as a real sexuality: the video talks about how some UN refugee program for sexual minorities rejected someone who talked about facing violence, literally almost being killed, for having gay sex. They rejected him because he wasn't really gay enough, he just had gay sex sometimes and also had sex with women...

>>44676087
wow i did not expect such a response. thank you i really appreciate it. I think the first 40 minutes are about movies portrayal of bisexuality and the rest is more about the world. The part with the movies, it was interesting how there are basically two very similar movies where someone is about to get married, then leaves their fiancee/newlywed for a person they just met. In real life they would be an asshole but it's a romance so they're the hero... The difference between the two movies is that one has a straight woman elope with a lesbian woman, and the other has a gay man elope with a straight woman. So, in one they realize they're lesbian and in the other they realize they're straight. Really both are bisexual but no one can see it as anything but straight/gay (why?). And the one where they "become straight" was received much more negatively. Because naturally it kinda breaks the idea that someone is "born this way"

sorry for the text wall but im attempting to summarize a 2hr video

>>44676152
yeah I think it could be shorter. they do talk about other stuff later, basically how identity politics causes this. and they also do some thing about how capitalism is bad but I didn't really like that part.
so they do go broader than just bisexuality in film but i wonder if you could go even broader. I think in general humans are too trained to try to split things into two distinct, opposing camps when really everything is a spectrum. This causes a lot of issues beyond what bisexuals are experiencing, for example extremist/populist politics. I wonder if someone could go even more broad.
interesting I will watch that video

>>44676277
>It does work and the gay movement took the same approach. They basically said, "gay people don't have a choice!"... except bisexuals clearly have a choice
I mean, bisexual people still don't have a choice to be bisexual, even if they have a choice of fucking men or women. Plenty of bi people would rather not be bi (not me though, being bi is great lol). And bi people having a choice to go for men or women doesn't mean that gay/straight people don't have that choice.
That being said I agree on the UN thing, that guy would be in danger forever just from his past now. The UN is generally incompetent.

>>44673013
That jur guy was killed in the Ukraine war few years ago btw

>>44677301
The price of war is too great.
When will we learn.

>>44677309
Unironically the rates of war and violence in the world are still dropping overall, and it's been shown very publicly that it's hard to invade countries without fucking up your own country. Asia has mostly figured this out already, "the west" is probably 10-20 years from figuring it out (Russia and America being stragglers here), 30-40 for the Middle East, 50-60 for Africa.

>>44677336
you let cambodia and thailand know that.
And the world is the most war torn it's been since ww2 so "dropping overall" is quite relative. But yes, the aggressors pretty much always lose. Either it's over in a week or two, or they lose. We're in a ww1 equivalent, trenches within trenches. And even if they did win, the cost of taking the land and the value of the land that is left means it's something only a retard would attempt.

>>44677386
>you let cambodia and thailand know that.
Eh I said mostly lol. But yeah maybe was too generous on that.

>ww2
Nah even before that, countries warred and invaded each other way more often than they do now.

>even if they did win, the cost of taking the land and the value of the land that is left means it's something only a retard would attempt.
This is my overall point. Leaders will gradually figure this out. Perhaps my timeline is too optimistic, but I do think that's the trend.

>>44677404
Given history's example the odds between leaders becoming sensible and doubling down until the age of prosperity that elevated them turns to dust are not good. Abysmal even. It's so rare we've immortalized the few that seemed to manage it and even they only put off the inevitable for about a lifetime.
There's not much getting around it, this ship must sink.

does any other closeted bi guy that's never fucked a guy feel like they've aged out of trying it out i'm 32 and now everyone my age is married and/or looks like shit. i'd go younger and get a twink or tranny, but i don't want to be accused of being a pedo.

>>44678681
It is what it is.
Life isn't particularly sexy.

>>44678681
u are 32 not 50
if u date someone in their 20s its not illegal

>>44655804
Nah

only guys ever hit on me at the bar

>>44678681
Nah just go find someone to fuck. I think your neuroticism is your issue. Your fear that you'll be viewed as a pedo is the same reason you haven't done it yet.

>>44655804
>QOTT
not really, I present however I feel like
sometimes it feels cute if I come off as a pretty gay boy rather than a lesbian though
t. enby mtf

>>44676064
i actually did watch this when it came out! interesting enough to be worth a watch, or at least a listen in the background like i did. the scope kinda expanded past the original topic of film, but it definitely is an interesting theory on why everybody else seems uncomfortable with bi people. Weirdly, the whole ethnic model point also explains why mixed people are in a similar situation; nobody knows how to classify them and they break the misconception of race being like a concrete, born-with-the-gene-that-makes-you-black biological thing, when in reality its just a mental shortcut for grouping people based on a handful of regionally common traits.

>>44655804
QOTT: a little bit; for the most part i feel like i come off as a normal guy but i do often try to dress softer/cuter, and I think I would go further with it if I wasn't in a piece of shit ultra conservative state. At the very least, being bi opened up the desire for me to explore it.

>>44680996
In what ways do you dress cuter? I feel like with the state of men's fashion it's kinda hard not to come across as gay, but maybe gay is okay depending on the people.

>>44680996
its kind of a sum of small parts thing; I like to wear looser clothing, pastel colors, flannels, pretty patterned button ups, rope bracelets. Personal grooming plays a role too, I like to keep my hair a little longer and be clean shaven, face and legs. I want to try nail polish but I see my family all the time and they would not take well to it. But honestly, nothing that would make me stand out in a crowd, especially since these things have already gotten remarks from my family lol

>>44681247
that sounds really sweet :)
I would probably do a similar thing myself, just try to keep it subtle. I live in an area that is more left leaning and so how I present has always been no big deal. I don't dress very feminine necessarily but I am kind of eccentric because of the autism and that's hard to avoid.

>>44674984
No the guy I think he's bi did, he always wins he's pretty smart, tho I didn't even try cause I was looking for the occasion to tell em

>>44679414
I learned the hard way that women just don't hit on men regardless of how attractive they find them, just go for it and you'd be surprised!!!!

>>44682231
very rare if they do, or they do it in subtle ways yes

>>44682192
lock in wtf

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How do I get a bi girlfriend as a bi man (twink)? Dating apps fucking suck here.

>>44683536
talk to any woman at the bar
hope this helps
for real though you are unicorn hunting anon

>>44683536
taimi or hinge

Bump

>>44683604
>us only app
ah the humiliation ritual continues.

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if your mum is a whore I'll go in her back door thats amoooreee~
once the poop leaves her butt she'll get all of my nut thats amooreee~

all that she needs is to drink up my seed thats amoooreee~
face down ass up I'll then fill her right up thats amoooree~

>>44685892
Man she's pretty

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>>44685900
what do you think about pamela anderson?

>>44685924
if we're talking aged actresses I'm more of a sigourneyhead myself.
Sharon stone and Gillian anderson also killing it, frankly.

>>44685938
>I'm more of a sigourneyhead myself
banned!

>Sharon stone and Gillian anderson also killing it, frankly.
unbanned!

oh, you know who I have a crush on actually
jodie foster!
she seems like an amazing person and is fluent is french
my heart...

>>44655804
Just a protip here
You CANNOT be transgender and bisexual

>>44686025
I don't see the conflict.

>>44655804
>QotT
Not really. Although since I came out I did start to look after myself a lot more and dress better.

>>44685844
just how it is now, what's the alternative? it's either that or meet people through friends

>>44686025
what did they mean by this

>>44685924
damn she bogged as hell now

>>44686460
in spring I actually met someone performing on the street
I had an assignment for uni where I had to record a performance of some kind
I thought I would just record myself playing bass guitar at home, but I saw this girl playing with what ended up being her father
I asked if I record them, they told me they actually have been needing some recordings, then it turns out she went to the university I go to etc
I didn't like the recordings I did, so I met them the next day and hung out for a bit

we've kept in touch since

there's no romantic/sexual relationship on the horizon, which is completely fine, neither of us are interested in each other in this regard, but sometimes meeting people just happens

sometimes you just have to be a little weirdo and put yourself out there so to speak

>>44686945
ive met people at concerts and stuff like this, but it's become harder and harder ive found

UPDATE: IM MOSTLY OVER MY BI EX BUT WERE STILL FRIENDS! NEED NEW DUMB BLONDE BF!!!

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>>44687452
nice that you are still friends anon

>>44683536
Go to places and talk to people. Doesn't even have to be cold opening for a woman just meet friends and expand your social circle. It's the best way to meet a partner. Apps are monetarily incentivized to keep you using them (aka not getting a partner) so while they work for a small group of people they have to keep most people single. Go to places that will have more bi women. Openly signal that you are a fag to chase away the gay repulsed straight women, if you want a bi gf they are just wasting your time and frankly they are all shit anyway. Not even a good fuck usually.

>>44687331
in what way? are you still going to concerts?
I defitnitely am not trying to say it's easy meeting people, it's a lot of chance involved, but still possible without apps

>>44687995
i do yeah, but it feels like people are more cliquey now if that makes sense?
like people don't want to talk to you as much randomly at things

>>44688071
NTA but you just have to shoot your shot more now. The good news though is that it filters socially incompetent people a lot faster.

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>straight amab guy (I know this isn't really my place but it's related)
>fall in love with bisexual woman (1) and start dating
>she has a very close lesbian friend (2)
>they both joke about being lesbians for each-other and scissoring all the time.
>Over time get to know both of them really well.
>Start flirting with 1, my partner, pretty blatantly.
>apologize to 2, in case she doesn't want to hear it.
>Turns out she REALLY enjoys watching and listening to us, (especially when it gets sexual)
>Eventually we all kind of soft-launch a threesome
>2 is very much a voyeur. And possibly even a cuckquean? (but idk if that term fits.). She just wants to watch me have sex with her best friend
It's a little strange, she's exclusively lesbian when it comes to romance, but sexually she's fine with men and actually responded quite well to offhand comments from my girlfriend and I about her possibly also getting fucked by me.
I'm excited in the case we do end up actually having a threesome, but also a little worried, I don't want to scare her off or weird her out because me and my gf can be really intense and experimental at times, and she's a very lesbian leaning bisexual, so being the guy in the dynamic is a bit daunting. especially because I want to make sure everyone's well-being is being upheld and I don't want to overstep at all. Like of course we are going to set lots of limits, boundaries, and expectations beforehand, as well as ground-rules and plans for after.
Does anyone have any Advice for this sort of scenario, or group stuff in general? I

>>44688308
i guess ya, it's just discouraging is all
im pretty good at talking to people

>>44688690
>It's a little strange, she's exclusively lesbian when it comes to romance, but sexually she's fine with men and actually responded quite well to offhand comments from my girlfriend and I about her possibly also getting fucked by me.
yep sounds like u found a genuine bisexual anon welcome
enjoy ur threesomes
>Does anyone have any Advice for this sort of scenario, or group stuff in general?
have fun

>>44688690
Go for it. There will be times when all three of you are just watching and that will be fine.
Also you can have a general idea of what you want to do during the threesome (as can they), but don't try to work out a play-by-play. Shit will just happen in the moment and that's fine.

>>44688690
enjoy living the dream!

why are cis bi women so hot?

>>44686033
How are you bi if you are AMAB and a transbian

>>44689975
that's a transbian, not bi.

>>44689975
wat

So I planned with my probably lesbian female friend to go to a mall to meet people for the first time, any tips? I'm very new to approaching and I'm ugly to boot so I don't know what to say, I plan in buying eyeliner and nail paint to show I'm bi

>>44691488
you're just going to the mall, just bee urself

>>44688716
Yeah it can be but you build a tough skin pretty quick if you work on it.

>>44691227
Correct but AMAB
Thus the conflict

>>44696249
doesn't seem to.

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>>44688690
>bi gf with cuckquean friend
but that's MY kink

>>44696249
i don't get it
explain

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>>44688690

>>44655804
I am I bi if I'm only attracted by trans woman and femboys, but not to cis/trans woman who have pussy? I can't see myself in a romantic relationship with any woman irl, only online.

Or am I chaser?

>>44697284
I think the person you're replying to is genuinely retarded

>>44697358
cock sexual

>>44697559
amab = illegal to be bi i guess? lole

Heard we have a month now, that's crazy.

>>44697913
How can you be bisexual when you are trans?

>>44700335
how is that different than any other sexuality as a trans person?

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any plans for the long weekend bigen?

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>>44702622

>>44702835
what did they mean by this?

qott: I don't think so desu.
4tran server for lgbt and friends:
https://discord.gg/bnU8CskqCB

>>44703688
at least answer the question

>>44702622
Going to go and see my parents, and then do absolutely nothing. It's peak.

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>>44700281
A bi-month? When did that happen and how?
>>44702622
Trying to post-process visiting London Soho.

>>44701351
I enjoy this image.

>>44700957
it's literally a different category
>lgbt
lesbians are not gay men
gay men are not lesbians
people who are not transgender are not transgender
so again how can you be bisexual as a "trans" "gender"?
an AMAB having sex with a man is gay sexuality and an AMAB having sex with a woman is a straight sexuality

>>44706409
>an AMAB having sex with a man is gay sexuality and an AMAB having sex with a woman is a straight sexuality
And if they're into both, they're bi, same as anyone else?

>>44655804
>Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
what does this even mean?

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>>44706616
think about it a little, you'll get it

>>44705602

>>44706432
an AMAB presenting female having sex with an actual female is straight sexuality and if he has sex with a man it is gay sexuality and if he has sex with both males and females it is not bisexuality it is simply straight or gay sex
being "trans" "gender" negates the bi in bisexuality
thats why we have the seperate categories lgbt and people are beginning to question if "trans" "gender" is even a sexuality at all
its a weird philospohical dilemma

>>44706693
you're autistic anon

>>44706693
trans is not a sexuality, neither is intersex or two spirit or half of the shit in the lgbt alphabet soup

>>44706680
I've thought about it, and it doesn't make sense to me
are you able to explain it?

>>44706989
simpler way to say it is
do you feel like being bi has affected how you present yourself to other people?

>>44707147
no, that's a completely different question
can you explain the original question?

>>44707147
your question doesn't make sense either
affected how I present myself to other people... compared to what, exactly?
a hypothetical non-bisexual version of myself?

>>44707167
>>44707185
low effort bait

>>44707221
>asking you to explain what I think are ill-formed questions is bait
no, I'm sincerely asking; I think they're utterly nonsensical questions, but I'm open to having my mind changed
you not being capable of explaining them says nothing whatsoever about me

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>>44707374
not my job to teach u how to read anon

>>44707403
the issue is semantic not syntactic; I can read the question perfectly well
>Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
just seems to have some logical flaws
the one I mentioned before, where it seems to presuppose a change from a hypothetical non-bisexual baseline; affects as compared to what?
and does it mean "gender" as in socially-constructed sex roles, or one of the other definitions?
like is it asking if my sexuality affects how I present the facets of my self-image which relate to the degree to which I imagine I conform to my society's socially-constructed sex roles?
because afaik most contemporary societies don't expect men to be bisexual, so if I'm open about being bisexual, then I've already breached the expectations of the gender role, and that affects my gender presentation
and if I'm not open about it, then because of my sexuality I'm making a conscious decision to hide my sexual orientation to better conform to the male gender role
so either way... the answer's yes?
if I'm understanding the question, it seems impossible for the answer to be 'no', so what's the point of the question?

and this version of the question:
>do you feel like being bi has affected how you present yourself to other people?
seems to be tautologically asking "if you were different, would you be different?", which is obviously inane and self-answering

do you know what I mean?

>>44707574
OP just wants to know whether you dress better and color your nails since you started sucking dick. It’s not that hard of a question, mate.

>>44707574
it's very possible for the answer to be no
example would be if u are very straight and normie presenting
like not everyone flags irl
it's a complicated question that u have to think about

>>44707711
I think you might be imagining that you have a better understand of what it's asking than you do

>>44707726
>example would be if u are very straight and normie presenting
what does that have to do with gender though?
"if u are very straight and normie presenting", what bearing does that have on gender theory's conception of "gender" as an aspect of self-conception? it's what you automythologically imagine about yourself, and how you demonstrate that self-myth

>>44707782
gender is performative anon
seems to be the root of your issue with the question

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Why yall nerds always on about meta-sexuality

>>44707574
The question is do you dress different because you're bi, identity semantics aside it's just asking if there's anything about your bisexuality that you think stands out in the way you dress. You can leave your tautology in your special tism chest this isn't a court document.
>Inb4 no you dont get it: same shit again
Ok.

>>44707805
>your special tism chest
I want to look inside

>>44707803
meta attraction is very silly to think about

>>44707824
what kind of treasure do u think they are hiding in there?

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Is there any point in telling my new therapist I'm "bisexual?" I'm not really going for anything related to my sexuality, although dating and a lack of girlfriend/wife/kids might come up. I'm mostly going because I've become a bit of a shut-in after a major injury.

The extent of my bisexuality is that one time I had sex with a guy, had fun with it, but decided the lead-up and aftermath isn't really worth it for me. Could it happen again someday? Maybe, but probably not. I don't intend to date a man, I don't really find random men on the street attractive except in the most obscure cases. Occasionally I'll jerk it to something gay or fantasize about something, but really only 1-2x a month.

I don't feel like I'm suppressing anything, but wondering if I should just lay all of my cards on the table.

>>44708758
it's worth mentioning, but i think it depends on your issues right? like, if you are there to get help with serious mental illness type thing might not be very useful information, but it doesn't hurt to tell them.

>>44708828
I wouldn't say it's very serious mental illness, but who knows what they say? I'm mostly afraid of getting back to work and having to be out of my house on someone else's schedule after years of being on my own time... so probably not relevant to my sexuality, outside of work having to have some kind of purpose, and how I think having a relationship or something would help with motivation. But that's not really sexuality.

>>44707795
>gender is performative anon
no, it's not
the conception in gender theory has it that it's more about how you view yourself - it's what you identify with internally
it's an aspect of identity; nothing to do with performance whatsoever
I don't think you understand the idea

>>44707805
that's not what was asked
a man can wear a dress, and it might have nothing to do with his gender, or his sexuality
the question didn't ask "do you dress differently?" it asked "does it affect your gender presentation?"
those aren't the same question at all

>>44708758
it's not really a real thing, and it's hopefully totally incidental to your character
I wouldn't bother mentioning it just for the sake of mentioning it, but nor should you hide it if it happens to come up as the therapy evolves - it might be for some good subconscious reason

>>44709233
And yet that's what they meant, a concept nobody else had issue with except for you, because you are autistic.
Into the tism chest.

>>44709286
>they meant something completely different from what they wrote and I psychically know what
you can't just dumb-down the question to something you can actually explain, and then claim that's what they meant in the first place
you simply do not know

do you guys also love patrying and have a high sex drive? I'm drunk rn but god damn do i lobe bi women but not in a weird stereotype way i just find like hat the women I vibe wth end up being bi and I idk i ljust love ex ad bdsm and stuff and just living life and i wish I could fuck rn

>>44709268
>it's not really a real thing
Wait, what isn't real?

>>44709303
Pure, unfiltered autism.
You need medical treatment, not 4chan.

>>44709324
the entire Western system of 'sexual orientation' categorisation, beyond it being automythological labelling, and that's not real; it's just self-portraiture, and thus unverifiable
it's about as real as 81 genders

I think the reality of the spectrum of human sexuality sans social conditioning is more like the Kinsey Scale if you lopped off both extreme ends - yes, we notice have preferences, but there are people and circumstances which can cause us to violate or reconsider them
but in the Western school of thought, we lock ourselves into a label for neat self-categorisation and market research

I don't think the guy going to therapy is 'bisexual', because if everybody is, nobody is

>>44709346
if only there were a medical treatment that could induce sufficient neurogenesis in your brain for you to be interesting to talk to

>>44709219
me when i go on the internet and intentionally be annoying about things i don't understand and act like an authority on:

reminder to not engage with obvious trolls friends

>>44709586
you clearly don't understand it, even on a basic level

it's an aspect of identity (it's gender *identity*) - it doesn't rely at all on communicating that identity with other people, so how can it be necessarily performative like you claim?
do you understand what any of these words even mean?
put simply: if you identify with something, you still identify with that thing even if nobody else on earth knows that you do
so it's not performative

>>44709633
all gender is performative by nature
please read a book some time, and stop shitting up this thread

>>44709605
I'm trolling because these people are too retarded to discuss the questions they're asking each other?
nobody has even been able to explain what the question in the OP means, I don't think they actually know:
there's one guy claiming the question is a different, much simpler question, which he can actually explain, and claims to psychically *know* that's what OP *really* meant
and there's another guy going off on a tangent that identity is something which exists solely to communicate to other people, rather than... just another term for self-conception - i.e. what we imagine we're like when we think about ourselves

I'm not trolling, I just think these people are abject morons

>>44709638
>all gender is performative by nature
'gender' in the context of gender theory is an aspect of identity - it's self-conception, as a product of self-reflection
where do you see a performative aspect in that?

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>I'm trolling
>I'm not trolling

>>44709712
recommend gender trouble by judith butler
:^)

>>44709750
all I can be is sincere
to assume I'm a troll because I'm asking questions you find too difficult to answer says more about you than it does me
I don't find it a very flattering look on you, but I might just have an inclination towards loathing the sophistic

>>44709777
you defer to a book?
if you concede you can't answer in your own words that's fine, I can respect that
but if you can't even paraphrase the argument you're trying to regurgitate, did you even understand the book you read?

>>44709840
i simply think you are disingenuous and do not want to engage with you

>>44709845
I'll bet you don't
and disingenuous in which sense of the word? I don't think I'm hiding any knowledge - in fact I'm asking for knowledge, and I'm being frank and forthright to the point of rudeness...

it seems to me like you're experiencing the cognitive dissonance of believing something without having the arguments to back it up
you just keep repeating
>"all gender is performative"
like a mantra, like you're on a loop, but you're totally unable to substantiate it

>>44709419
Who said I'm trying to be interesting.
And if your idea of "interesting" is arguing semantics because you couldn't intuit intent if your life depended on it I will take your disinterest as a genuine compliment.
I might just make it after all.

>>44709896
in that you are not here to have a good faith discussion, are uniformed and act like an authority on things that are established in the field, want everyone in the thread to explain things to you but only under pretense that you think is acceptable
if you want a substantial argument read the large amount of current and relevant literature on the topic
it's not my job or that of anyone else in here to coddle you and explain gender theory to you

>>44709956
>Who said I'm trying to be interesting.
if you were I'd be surprised
>you couldn't intuit intent
I just think the actual question asked, and your simplified version of it, were two totally different questions
it was like a bad analogy; yours doesn't really map to the words used in the original, and any intent you presume on the part of OP is just that: a presumption, which you're weirdly presenting as fact

>>44710017
>in that you are not here to have a good faith discussion
and yet it's the people here employing sophistry against me, rather than simply answering my sincere questions
I think it's you who's unable to have a good faith discussion
>act like an authority on things that are established in the field
like what?
I've made the claim that gender identity is an aspect of identity - almost self-evidently so - and I think I've proven how that's the case with an example
the fact it's an aspect of identity disproves your claim that it's necessarily performative, because where it's not performative, it can still be an aspect of identity
no counter-argument whatsoever was forthcoming from you, you just repeated yourself a few times, and then deferred to a book which you couldn't even paraphrase to defend your (not really your) position

Who here likes both cock AND pussy?

Why are bi men always fat, bearded and ugly, or tiny little twinks? Why is it so hard to find a twunky blonde bichad boyfriend?

>>44710086
>if you were I'd be surprised
then why bring up the topic at all?
>more autistic drivel
I defer you back to the last part of my original post >>44707805

>>44710104
>why aren't most people hot
I don't know man, I really don't.

>>44710101
Me.

>>44710104
Those guys aren't single unless by choice, and they may be going for people who are hotter than you lol

>>44710118
>then why bring up the topic at all?
because I find you uninteresting to talk to
you're not bright enough to argue your own point, so you just resort to name-calling
it's very garden variety stunted

>>44710159
Im really hot they just seemingly dont exist in my area. Never seen one on the apps before. I want a new one...

>>44710179
what apps have u tried?

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If you're bi you have an obligation to be hot, or at least make every feasible effort to be. we're the atlas holding up the standards of this world for both men and women.

>>44710165
You've veered the entire thread off topic because you're incapable of interpretation
So what you're experiencing now is hypocrisy
does it relieve your guilt any to scourge others with your own shortcomings? Does having all that negative attention make you feel wanted?

>>44710451
Let em fall.

>>44710451
>shrugs

>>44710451
im doing my part i guess

Today was a great day, we went out with my female friend (who now I think she may be aroace or lesbian) and I bought black nail polish for the first time on public, we walked for some time until I finally got the courage to ask a girl her IG, and it went well but she had a bf, but she was super nice about it, we might go again, which shops are the best for it and how do you approach men without getting killed?

>>44710451
What if I'm only hot to some people?

I don't get catcalled much anymore since I dress masc now, but I used to get guys calling me beautiful at least once a week. A handful of guys have tried to get me into their car. I was flattered, but I did not want to get plapped. More chicks are into me now, though, but they don't initiate like men do.

>>44710484
just be wary that your "interpretation" isn't actual reality, and you shouldn't present it as fact
actually you probably shouldn't presume that you're privy to the thoughts of others at all - unless you're genuinely psychic
do you think you are?

>>44710576
You don't have anything better to do than double down on a point you know is bad?

>>44710104
im neither but im not blonde, sorry
well my hair is dirty blonde technically

>>44710616
>a point you know is bad
...do you realise you're doing it again? possibly you don't
debate aside, if I can just give you a heartfelt warning: I've encountered a number of people like you before who "just know" what other people are thinking, and what they *really* mean (even though they've used words with a completely different meaning to your interpretation), and it begins to look a little bit like a problem, given that it is a type of cognitive distortion
you "just know" that I think my own point is bad?
I hope you can see how it's disconcerting that you seem to think you know my thoughts
does it not strike you as very coincidental that my thoughts seem to align with yours?
you think my point is bad, and now apparently I do too? that's lucky for you

>>44710366
Hinge and tinder. Ive used queer specific apps in the past but theyre all poly.
>>44710802
You sound cute anon. So sad to be geocucked yet again :(

>>44710971
hinge is ok, i use that
taimi is also decent but heavily pay walled, what i do i just put contact in my profile
tinder is a mess, haven't used it in years

>>44711242
I think its partly just living in the midwest.

>>44711419
could try grindr maybe but that's some elaborate self harm

Guys do all trans guys have enormous clits? I've been with 2, a bear and a twink and both had them

>>44711525
The ones on T typically do, yeah

>>44711525
yep

Going to see a guy tomorrow, seen him a few times before this but still nervous as hell
Also I think one of my friends outted me to my housemate because he's making a lot more gay jokes than normal, and sure I was going to bring it up at some point that I'm bi because I want to bring people around but also it's annoying if he found out because my friend can't shut the fuck up

>>44712094
hope things go well, your friend sounds cringe im ngl

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>>44710101
Guilty as charged.
>>44710104
Would bushy dark blond and hunk do it for you or does it have to be twunk?
>>44710451
amen

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>>44712862
eee i like doing these

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>>44712862
>hope this helps
>mfw signed hundreds of work-related messages like this
thanks for the ptsd, anon

>>44661627
friend took me to the beach to hang out and then bought me dinner :)

>>44710928
Yes you're doing a great job of rationalizing your retardation to yourself, sadly no amount of talk no matter how far down you fragment it can change the outcome of your choices. Which is to be a retard.
>how irrational
>ad hominem
>not engaging the argument
nothing you do is novel and even if you got what you wanted you would gain nothing. Develop some depth and maybe a soul before you decide to engage with people again. If you don't this is the only outcome you can ever expect.

>>44714241
I can see from your... angry response that I've made you defensive, but I sincerely promise you that what I said wasn't meant as a criticism, and I do apologise for upsetting you - it's only that you're demonstrating a fairly clear cognitive distortion, and it would be remiss of me to not point that out to you, as a matter of mental health
thinking that you "just know" what other people are thinking - and especially confusing YOUR thoughts for THEIR thoughts as you've done - is kind of a worrying sign that there might be some underlying problem, and if me pointing this out allows you to better keep an eye on it, or maybe mention it to somebody who can better help you, then that can only be a good thing

I was not trying to insult you - the argument was over for me the second I started to notice you were confusing whose thoughts were whose as a recurring pattern of behaviour, and not just a one-off
it's one thing to assume you knew what OP *actually* meant by his question - people can make spurious inferences - but when you started to suggest you knew what *I* was thinking (when it's actually clearly what *you* were thinking) it didn't feel right to continue debating you
I don't want to be responsible for making your mental health worse, and I wish you the best

>>44713987
Sounds lovely. Just friends or are you crushing?

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>>44714735
im kinda crushing on her a bit, not sure if she feels the same,, we kissed and stuff but im not sure how platonic she wants to keep things,,, id really like to date her tho, shes really kinda ><

>>44714547
Honestly an AI response surprises me more.
It's depressing that this is something you put this much stock in, just to produce these results.
I guess that's why you're still here, this is it.
Give AI chatbots a try, I think you'll find them very stimulating.

>>44659273
amazing taste in movies anon

>>44714865
they're a low tier troll just don't respond to them

>>44714865
>Mind-reading is a cognitive distortion where an individual assumes they know what another person is thinking or feeling
I've pointed out the distortion, you're hopefully aware of it now, and you can notice it in yourself when you do it
hopefully you'll investigate this tendency you have to confuse your thoughts with reality
it should strike you as odd that when you said you knew what OP *really* meant by the question, that just-so-happened to coincide with what you thought the question meant (which is not what OP actually asked)
similarly, when you argued you knew what I *really* thought about my own point, it just-so-happened to coincide with what you thought about my point
can you see it? the projection of your own thought processes onto others?
maybe it'll take some time process what I'm saying

>>44715778
I'm not a troll for simply asking what a question means, when it doesn't make sense to me
nobody has been able to explain it, and that makes me think I'm right: that it was a nonsensical question

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>>44712862
Guess I'm not that online.

>>44713187
>>44713144
>>44713966
>on /bigen/
>not both gynephilic and androphilic
???

>>44716267
D-do I have to give back my bi card now?

>>44716267
Fucking a feminine man is still bisexuality.

>>44716437
It's also still androphilia!

>>44716456
Is it? I thought that meant you're attracted to masculinity.
Well I guess I'm attracted to some masculine stuff.
Alright I'm an androphile too, why not.

>>44716267
i dislike the terms and feel like its a stupid way to say it is all

>>44716410
yep its over

what games have you been playing lately bifriends?

>>44719569
At rehab they only let me play Mario, so I've been finally finishing Mario world, Yoshi's Island, Mario RPG and superstar saga, gonna ask if I can play fire emblem cus my male autistic furry crush special interest is that series so I wanna talk with him about it

>>44719689
yoshi's island was peak at least
how long are u stuck in there anon?

>>44719569
Been replaying legacy of goku 2 a bit. Struggling to play anything lately.but while I was I was starting on trepang2, dead as disco, a bit of schedule 1 with frens and fiddling with MTG arena. Also have placid plastic deck and a replay of divinity:dragon commander lined up. And Arzette but it's been sitting there in my library talking to me like the green goblin mask for months.

>>44719829
It's ambulatory with a caretaker, it's 2 years and I finish in February
Yeah Yoshi's Island is the best one, but I prefer the early stages desu

>>44720123
2 years is pretty intense, hopefully all is well when you get out

>>44719883
cool, i was playing arena earlier, slowly grinding back up to mythic

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>>44720202
Life has never been better, I graduated, have tons of friends, seems like I'm Getting a Job soon and came out to my family and friends

I LOVE JACKED BISEXUAL MEN!!!

>>44720913
glad someone appreciates us

>>44720789
that's great, sounds like you are getting your shit together anon

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>>44655804
>QotT: Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?

>>44720913
You give me hope, anon. God bless

>>44655804
>Do you find your sexuality affects your gender presentation?
I don't think so.
The only androgynous thing about my presentation is that I have long hair, but I honestly think that would still be the case if I was straight. I just really hate cutting it.
Other than that, I present as a regular guy.

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>>44712862

saving from page 10

>>44724159
Both of these are insanely malebrained

>>44725371
make a better one anon

>>44725398
There's no such thing as malebrained or femalebrained, but saying "hope this helps!" after owning the choods just radiates sneed energy.
And I think that even in its most perfect form, this bingo would just promote counterproductive ways of thinking

>>44725420
>Both of these are insanely malebrained
>erm actually no such thing!!

what's worse, racemixing or being gay?

>>44726342
who cares about either

>>44714757
this is really cute

>>44726362
racemixing is putting a curse on your offspring. not only will they look weird and have no in-group, but they'll have health problems.

>>44726394
please read about how genetics actually work some time anon

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>>44720565

bigen are you a cat person, dog person, both, or neither?
(dressing up like one doesn't count)

>>44726526
I love both, but I'm more of a cat person. I think they're both funnier and also easier to take care of.

If I could have random impractical animals I'd want a penguin, three-toed sloth, or tapir.

>>44726570
cats are really easy yeah
just leave food out and they do their own thing

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>>44726419
Here.
>>44726526
Both I suppose.
>>44726570
I would want a polar bear, but pocket sized.

>>44726671
thank you

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>>44726526
I grew up with a dog and several cats and I loved all of them. But I wouldn’t want either now. Just not a responsibility I‘m comfortable with anymore.

>>44727356
Put those boys in a salad immediately.

>>44712320
It could have gone a lot better
I don't see it panning out, but oh well.

Also my friend did out me, I joked with him saying "You must have blabbed to him because he's telling way more gay jokes" and he essentially said "So about that..."
Annoyed

>>44728762
yep, we're hitting him with rocks

Today I helped my female friend come out as sapphic bi and a guy friend told me nooooo everybody likes girls and boys a little BUT IM NOT BIIIII!!!!!! I love it and I only came out last month lol also that guy called me TWINK and I got butterflies

>>44730017
sapphic is a silly term but that sounds nice

>>44730017
Do men really get butterflies?