>>44661019
Probably my own cowardice. I know for sure I wouldn't be able to handle the hurdle of cutting of family members and giving up a comfortable, even if miserable, but stable life.

>>44661019
tbdesu pooning out just doesn’t seem worth it to me. i’ll never actually be a man so what’s the point? all it will serve me is ruining all my familial bonds and turning from a semi-attractive woman into a ugly dickless manlet. if there was some button i could press that would make me actually male i would press it instantly, but that can’t happen. so i’ll jane50 then die

IF YOU ARE TALLER THAN 165 CM POON OUT

>>44661051
Basically, social transition is my biggest hurdle. I also don't really "see" myself as male. I see myself as a fraud

>>44661087
Theoretically, if FTM SRS was really advanced (complete with a total gonadal swap), would that make you pull the plug?

>>44661269
immediately, no questions asked.

IMO the reason why there's not enough research being done on 'complete' SRS is because it's easier for cissoids to keep trannies as a perpetual, and very visible underclass. I believe the same logic applies to banning puberty blockers for trans youth (preventing youngshits who are indistinguishable from cissoids) and making certain trannies go through humiliation rituals to access HRT only to be put on year-long waitlists

>>44661323
get that dick right now nona

>>44661019
My biggest repfuel is that I can't think like a man. I would never be able to fit into the world as a man. Just not wanting to be a woman is already me not fitting in as a man. And I've been so coddled all my life due to having female privilege that I can't handle anything. A real man in my situation would just man up and marry a rich older man and make his babies and live happily ever after instead of staying as a stupid voluntarily celibate attention whore who longs for a forbidden relationship with another woman.

>>44661756
>who longs for a forbidden relationship with another woman.
nona do you want some repxrep action

>>44661904
I'm not sure if I could be able to satisfy your demands, I'm sorry. I'm a very clueless person when it comes to dealing with people so I'm probably going to disappoint you.
Plus I probably have to deal with my whole thing where I find myself disgusting for liking women

>>44661967
NTA, but do you also mentally connect your dysphoria to internalized homophobia? I observed that I sometimes question if I'm just unable to accept myself as a lesbian unconsciously and it gives me doubts and brainworms

>>44661983
Idk, I'm not sure if it's related to internalised homophobia for me. I'd find it just as gross to be a heterosexual guy too, just for slightly different reasons (although, some of these reasons would overlap).

>>44662120
>just as gross to be a heterosexual guy
I have the same problem. In abstract (because I swore off dating and sex since I know I don't mind being alone forever) I function in ways that are indistinguishable from a regular cis lesbian and rather than a straight male and I'm afraid I'll probably overcompensate by adapting toxic masculinity

Is getting raped and molested multiple times as a child a valid reason to femrep (it is)

>>44661422
if only it was possible

>>44662168
God, I can only imagine what kind of brainworms that kind of thing can cause. I'm sorry :(

>>44662166
Well, idk if this is comforting, but I imagine that someone who even takes the term "toxic masculinity" seriously is probably not likely to do it.
In my case it is more that I see that it's inappropriate of me to have sexual feelings towards women because women are suffering enough from sexualisation... Plus, what if all women feel the same way I do about their own bodies? Then it would mean that I'm pushing myself, my sexual gaze on skin that they wish they could tear off, sexualising suffering, no different from those people who go to ftm general to sexually harass trans men

>>44661019
take your HRT, retards

>>44662386
Testosterone doesn't turn 5'1 massive hips babyface bitches into men it just gives them pcos

>>44661756
Never heard someone else so accurately describe this line of thinking. I would not make it as a man, so I might as well do what a woman ought to do, and do it well. Otherwise I am just proving that I certainly couldn't make it as a man, if I couldn't even make it on easy female mode.
Only difference is I repressed so hard I committed to the bit. I am getting married in a few weeks. I keep thinking that if I just continue down the traditional line, whatever is wrong with me will be fixed and I'll find a way to be happy being a straight female. And even if I'm not happy, who cares? I am doing the responsible thing, shouldering the miserable hard work without complaint.

>>44662291
You didn't answer my question I know that I'm a miserable woman with a retarded brain but thanks you're sweet

Now even in the mood to write anything. I've been at work for too long in my body, fully present, and I feel filthy. I hate this I hate this I hate this.

It'll never get better because I will never be a man. I'll just go through life as a walking female corpse until I finally have mercy on myself and end my life

>>44662354
>I imagine that someone who even takes the term "toxic masculinity" seriously is probably not likely to do it.
>I see that it's inappropriate of me to have sexual feelings towards women because women are suffering enough from sexualisation

It's interesting, because from outside in we seem to recognize the "good" in a person struggling with similar problems, but fail to see that moral upstanding in ourselves

>people who go to ftm general to sexually harass trans men
Have you seen the latest /ftmgen/ catastrophe? Straight up coal. Mike won.

bump

>>44661019
I'm not going to live long enough for HRT to matter if I'm ever able to get it. Everyone'll always look at me and think I'm a theyfab pivpoon detrans fetishizer and I'm pissed off of doods who masturbate to being turned into a woman acting like we have the same experience

>>44661019
>biggest repfuel
butchfemme culture and general attachment to lesbian community

>>44662416
bars...

>>44662386
>HRT 20+
>A button that gives you PCOS

>>44662807
Not true; you'll probably find a decent guy and get married and use his body as a AAP joystick the whole time

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>>44665583
At least they're trying, get over yourself and stop judging others people sexuality.

>>44662807
Same IWNBAM

>>44667474
Having pure AAP (where you're not attracted to men and only feel auto-attraction to oneself as one) is hell

>>44667637
oof
yeah. the female autosexuality default but you need to be male for it to work... oof, good fuckin luck

>>44662168
It is
t. lurking mtf repper who also got raped and molested multiple times as a child

Mike won

>>44667649
Mike super won, yeah

>>44667639
I had tried developing AGP before (it was okay, but hard to sustain as I matured) and ASE/butchcope cope worked for a while, but it's getting unbearable

>>44667649
>>44667664
The only way to have conversation maintenance is to pull in a man.

WE LIKE MIKE
WE LIKE MIKE

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>>44661756
Yes. Despite what progressive memes tell you there is substantial difference between male and female brains, even as a fetus. The youngshit/oldshit if-transitioned-when-I-was-11-it'd-all-be-different is all bullshit. It was already over when you were a fertilized egg.

And then on top of that is the male socialization. Being a "real man" is so difficult that quite a few cis males fail at it. It takes literal decades to mature as a man. You need vast amounts of experience to actualize. From 10-32 years old as a man you're just getting your shit together, trying things, getting rekt, gathering experience. And then at 32+ years old you're finally mature as a man but it took all of that time and experience to get there. There are no shortcuts.

>>44668195
Oh nah, get away from here

>>44662257
NTA but we can swordfight with HRTrep Tdicks

>>44668529
>"tdick"
>ayo bby get ready for my 1" punisher

>>44661756
>>44668364
not a repper but this kind of thought process is something that can only really plague you pre-transition. the only thing that's required to blend in to male social circles is being read as male. and when you start interacting with cis men you realize that many of them are extremely "fembrained." if you look like a biological male then feminine mannerisms or behaviors just make you seem annoying and gay. but an annoying gay guy is still a guy.

>>44661019
My biggest repfuel is the amount of decent looking women who go on testosterone only to come out looking like obese neckbeards a la tyler catastrophe.

The only thing that maybe convinces me that i wont look like that is that i’m 5’10 and not against going to the gym.

>>44668529
hot

>>44668364
>It was already over when you were a fertilized egg.
True. We only have a perspective of a female because our brains aren't separate from bodies.
And yes, male socialisation is harder and a longer process than female one. Female socialisation isn't much different from being treated like a kid, for example.

>>44668718
The thing is, you can fool people but in the end you are just an imitation because you're viewing the situation from female lens. The fembrained real men are still viewing the situation from the male view, they just fit the feminine acting stereotypes, but that's a different thing because they will view their own behaviour differently due to existing as men their whole life.

>>44668718
>interacting with cis men you realize that many of them are extremely "fembrained."
They aren't. They're malebrained, just soft.

The male/femalebrained thing is just an amusing meme. It's not actually real. Males have male brains. Females have female brains. This is determined at conception.

>>44668718
>and when you start interacting with cis men you realize that many of them are extremely "fembrained."
NTA, any examples of this?

>>44669339
Trvkenheim
(don't tell the transgirlies their "AGP" is not like female AGP)

>>44669339
Males can have a "female" brain due to males having wider variance in all traits. So there are fembrained trans females. The reverse is not possible because females are all very similar to each other and female brain and body is the default

>>44668642
No but that sounds hot as fuck tbdesu... Mine is smaller

>>44668812
Indeed...

>>44661756
>A real man in my situation would just man up and marry a rich older man and make his babies and live happily ever after
youre genuinely retarded if you believe moids when they say this. if it was true youd see a lot more straight male escorts gulping down 60 year old male cock. deep down all of them know that being a woman (the fucktoy sex) is nothing but humiliation
>>44669564
stop pretending that mtfs are somehow less delusional than ftms. this is what i hate about these threads, your self-deprecating martryrdom is the cringiest, femalest shit ever

>>44669805
>stop pretending that mtfs are somehow less delusional than ftms.
I'm not pretending, it's true. MtF being a real thing is more likely scientifically. It's not martyrdom of any kind.

>>44669805
>if it was true youd see a lot more straight male escorts gulping down 60 year old male cock. deep down all of them know that being a woman (the fucktoy sex) is nothing but humiliation
That would be a completely different situation because they would have a male body in it. I meant a hypothetical of a man getting somehow transported to a female body, and what he'd do with it. Then he'd accept the "humiliation" (which is a stupid way to call it, being a foid is a privileged and holy position so it's not humiliating) because men accept the laws and rules of nature and women protest those rules. So it's womanly to avoid those duties that I have towards humanity, family, men, the future of the world. It would be manly to face it and get plapped by a high value man and repay my debt.

>>44669949
i think you just wanna fuck dudes anon. nothing wrong with that, but stop acting like it’s some noble act to suck it up and get fucked by your husband that you hate daily. any cishet moid transported into a female body would probably kill himself, but if he didn’t he would live as a hermit, not get married to another man and bear children. you’re making up a fantasy world that doesn’t exist

>>44669564
>>44669889
>reverse is not possible because females are all very similar to each other and female brain and body is the default
>MtF being a real thing is more likely scientifically.

Elaborate on that? Not attacking, just wondering why you think that way. IMO, I just believe that FTM transsexuals are way less socially visible (unlike the pervasive, huge history of MTF-esque social classes existing within every culture in the world), and therefore less researched. The historical FTM-like figures are very likely to be pegged into "woman escaping patriarchal circumstances" without any deeper elaboration and dive into their potential psyches. I think the MTF to FTM ratio is close to 50/50

>>44669949
>men accept the laws and rules of nature and women protest those rules
delusion. being rebelious is masculine, passive acceptance is femminine, men dont protest their nature only because theyre in a winning position biologically, if they were magically made female theyd freak the fuck out. most foids dont do any protesting either, their idea of feminism is reposting catty "misandrist" memes
>>44670169
dont bother its all just femrep cope. many nonas on here idolize mtfs while punching down on pooners

>>44670061
>i think you just wanna fuck dudes anon
That would be natural. Unfortunately I can't figure out how to be attracted to them properly yet.
>but stop acting like it’s some noble act to suck it up and get fucked by your husband that you hate daily.
It's not noble, it's just what happens to most. And a proper female wouldn't hate a high value man who is its husband.
>any cishet moid transported into a female body would probably kill himself, but if he didn’t he would live as a hermit, not get married to another man and bear children. you’re making up a fantasy world that doesn’t exist
We can never know what would happen if it actually happened because it's an impossible scenario. I'm just trusting what people say about themselves because there is literally no motivation to lie about this stuff for them.

>>44670169
>Elaborate on that?
The female body is like an underdeveloped version of a male body so I don't see how it wouldn't also apply to the brain too. And since every female has a female brain, they're guaranteed to all have that underdeveloped version. On the other hand, if male is more developed form of a human, then some males can have underdeveloped brains and therefore be closer to the "female" brain than male. That's why only mtf can be truetrans

>>44669564
>Males can have a "female" brain
I realize you put quotes around it for a reason, as in you don't literally mean a real female brain. However, it's still important to impress the distinction. A mtf who's """female brained""" is still ultimately completely and utterly male brained. They simply are a softer male brain and/or they mimic what they think female is.

This is especially obvious when an mtf is under pressure. They drop the act and suddenly are just a man in a dress. An example is the eternal "it's ma'am" video. Suddenly under pressure he's take the poor cashier outside and "show him a Sir".

>>44669949
>It would be manly to face it and get plapped by a high value man and repay my debt
Funnily enough you're not wrong. Men are bearers of burden, physically, emotionally and spiritually. They are intended and built to endure and sacrifice themselves in many different ways for the betterment of their partner, children, friends, family, community.

>>44670319
But men are disadvantaged biologically. They don't protest because they know they can't win this yet, so they make do with what they have for now.
That's what male mind is about, "it is what it is" mentality. The female brain is all about trying one's best and about being ruled by one's whims and suicidal empathy, instead of thinking about the actual greater good.

>>44670459
>An example is the eternal "it's ma'am" video. Suddenly under pressure he's take the poor cashier outside and "show him a Sir".
I think a cis woman might also do something similar if put under a similar pressure. Would be hard to test though because that would require the whole world to treat her like a trans woman

>>44670319
>dont bother its all just femrep cope
I mean, sure. But come on, femrepgen is getting the interesting kind of schizo now, so I'm very curious to listen to more of the various rambles by people who are vastly different from myself.

>>44670587
NTA, is there a boring kind of schizo? I'm feeling like the existence of "interesting kind of schizo" implies an existence of a boring kind

>>44670611
I think the Mikewon-esque fetishslop posts would qualify? Honestly, in my book, it's more or less "if you see it you clock it"

>>44670632
Do not dare to criticise Mike, our glorious afab harem owner and fertilizer!

>>44670422
there’s nothing wrong or immoral about liking women as a woman. in fact i’d say it’s way more based than fucking moids. go get a cute gf and butchmode your way through life, transition if you need to. you’ll be happy.

>>44670669
It's so stressful to approach women. I never know what to say. I have like 50 matches on dating apps with women and I failed to lead any anywhere, I never know how to tell what to ask or how to tell when irl meeting is in order. It's hopeless. And I'm heterosexual in my mind, I can feel it, so queer women shouldn't bother with me anyway because it's offensive of me to use them like that, it's objectification. I'm straight and straight women can only ethically consume other straight women.
And I don't know how to hide it from society if I ever got a girlfriend. I don't want to harass people by making them see degeneracy. But it would be very isolating if we had to keep the relationship 100% secret too, wouldn't it.

>>44670541
>But men are disadvantaged biologically
no they arent. you dont actually believe this
>>44670587
>femrepgen is getting the interesting kind of schizo now
im the only interesting schizo in this thread everyone else is psyopped into oblivion

>>44670834
>no they arent. you dont actually believe this
They can't make kids without depending on whims of another person, it's a very castrating and scary disadvantage for them.

>>44670851
childbirth and pregnancy are metaphysical cuckoldry. they are at an advantage for having the easier role in reproduction. all they have to do to leave a legacy is cum into a woman. its only castrating because the modern world has laws so that they cant snatch someone up from the streets and marry her

>>44670834
You are the only and best schizo, indeed

>>44670886
Facts, when are we gonna evolve away from this retarded evolutionary failure? It will be better for everyone anyways, and relying on something akin to egg laying/vat grown children would likely eliminate retardation and unnecessary sex dismorphism

>>44670834
Okay yeah, I do like you the best. I'm glad to see you back

>>44670886
Well, yes, they have zero reproductive labour to carry. But that's exactly what makes them so miserable in the first place! That's why females are so chill or even cheerful compared to men, because they don't have this insecurity. That makes females privileged and advantaged, because they live without this psychic burden.

>>44670661
It's an annoying bit tbdesu... I'm getting tired of it, I already see FTMsub too much, where are all of the doms

>>44670947
>when are we gonna evolve away from this retarded evolutionary failure?
not in any unforseeable future as females are genuinely moronic and believe that it is girlboss and feminist of them to spread their legs and get nutted into and then carry around the evidence of that for the rest of their lives as pregnancy permamently reshapes the female body and brain

>>44671019
Right... Thanks for the doom pill. I sometimes wonder if completely cis hetero women are a different species from the rest of us. It's like they're addicted to humiliation of their very souls and physical being in of itself

>>44671019
It's very puzzling how anyone can see it as feminist to reproduce. After all, it's literally what patriarchy wants of women! That's like those people who say that transitioning is cisnormative in a way lmao, same type of nonsense.
>>44671051
Idk if I'm a misogynist for this, but I kinda believe that one has to be very ill in some way to be a cishet woman

>>44671093
>After all, it's literally what patriarchy wants of women! That's like those people who say that transitioning is cisnormative in a way lmao, same type of nonsense.
>I kinda believe that one has to be very ill in some way to be a cishet woman
I'm in a friendly territory, it seems. Giga trvke to both points. Feminism is doomed with cishet women in our ranks

>>44670566
Similar perhaps but would lack the male aggression, vocal tone and body language.

What's the point if my hips are almost 100cm/almost 40in and no matter how much fat I lose and muscles i gain they'll always be the biggest part of me
Anyway my waist is pretty small is working out to somehow widen it worth it or will I look retarded

>>44672586
Don't matter. Lift heavy. Squat, deadlift, bench, overhead press, chin ups.

>>44668881
why should i care though? even if on some deeper level my thought process is altered by being an ftm, i still manage living as a man just fine. it's just hard to care about this kind of thing when it has no impact on your ability to blend in as a male.

>>44661019
>qott
being a horny stalker and too retarded to notice how quickly obssessed and annoying i can get when i have manic episodes.
im working on it. im getting better.

someday im going to be a male but not today.

>>44673609
yeah
in another lifetime
where you'll troooooon

once a female
always a female

>>44673664
die

unsure if i should poon out or stay theyfabmoding for the sake of my social ease and relationship, if i committed and dosed and developed poony acne and tranny voice and body hair she’s be gone and to some real (cis) man like she deserves because she said she would never date a woman after me but idfk

>>44675839
your butt is going to be hairy and you have to be okay with that risk

>>44673609
It will come, eventually

>>44675864
NTA but that's one of the milder concerns on T. The elephant in the room is the loss of cissexual privilege

>>44675839
if she's bi she's gonna do that in any scenario tbpoon i'd say go for it. we're in fakebian and fakebi epidemic in this political climate so everyone who is a fakie will revert to whatever is more socially convenient

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If I'm 175cm but 30+ is it worth it to transition or is it too late?

>>44676705
>175cm
Gymmaxx, Chaddose T, LARP as a fem bodybuilder at first until you pass and YGMI

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>>44676705
Picrel is your hopefuel/poonfuel

180cm and my body is already trashed by PCOS. Do i just poon or get on spiro?

what happens if i'm 1,63cm and i started hrt with testogel ?

>>44677415
Insane stats. Poon out already.

>>44677539
Switch to injections at some point. If you're absolutely fucked with coordination (like I am) I recommend subq. Stock up on insulin needles. Ask around reddit for sources, and ideally get yourself Test C. Check out diyhrtwiki

>>44677415
Would you date a mid looking male that wants to be female?

>>44671019
>girlboss and feminist of them to get pregnant
Yes? That's very feminist and "girlboss". Creating life. It's highly ironic you talk about psyops and such when you've clearly have had your brain turned into putty by psyops.

>>44677947
enjoy being a slave

>>44677947
Girlbosses hate males too much to breed
They use their men and then use divorce to extract resources before the next penis and wallet combo becomes theirs

>>44677964
>uhhmmm it's slavery to have a child and love them dearly
As I said, your brain is pure mush from getting psyopped.

>>44677972
Yeah she wasn't using girlboss correctly so that's why I put quotes around it. Regardless I understood what she meant.

>>44677415
> 180cm
>>44677201
My advice here would apply as well. You are a gigaluckshit, YGMI

>>44677991
>uhhmmm it's slavery to have a child and love them dearly
its slavery if you do not love children and lack female typical self-sacrificial masochism. nobody is stopping you from popping out 10 cummlings and sucking your husbands cock on a daily basis

The counterculture right now would to actually have like, a pair of kids.

Standard female behavior is eat potato chip, scroll Insta, and hate males, as per the Jewish psyop to stop white births.

Irony

>>44678149
>Jewish psyop to stop white births
i wish all births would stop i do not understand the point of humanity continuing to exist

>>44678216
You'll know why when we're 60+ and the world is unable to take care of the elderly or have a functioning economy

Then it'll be like
"ooooooh whoops"

>>44678228
i wont live to 60 retard i am a schizophrenic alcoholic drug addict

>>44678234
see you in like 30 years lmao
as a rotting old lady that likes drugs but will eke out another 20 years to 78

>>44678241
if i live past 60 i i will take the matters into my own hands and kill myself. there is no point in living that long in a body thats actively going to shit

>>44678101
>this mushbrain gibberish
Sad! You drunk again?

>>44678280
Everyone says they won't see 50
Everyone says they won't have kids

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>>44670939
>>44670958
LET'S ALL LOVE FORESTCHAN

>>44677947
>it's feminist to tear from clit to asshole, cook meals every day, engage in dull childhood activities for years with little to none intellectual stimulation, and end up seeing your kids are your project because surely they would experience the world for you (you could not, you were raising them)
lmao

>>44680553
Wow cooking meals?? Every day?! True horror..

>>44681028
You underestimate the effort it takes to feed children. Unless you want to raise obese retards.

>>44681164
Obesity is caused by caloric excess, dumbass. You can eat nothing but burgers and pizza every day and still be lean just fine if you aren't eating caloric excess. And no, it's not hard to feed kids.

>>44681256
How many children do you have?

>>44678149
None of us care about being counterculture because we are normie females. Only truly rebellious souls like my coursemate are walking around all round and pregnant, normal women are all asexual or dating everyone but cis men

>>44681164
>>44681279
nta, but why do you imagine it to be hard?

>>44680553
>to tear from clit to asshole
Just get a c-section.
>cook meals every day
You can cook every other day if you're strategic enough. And you kids can cook for you and themselves once they are 7 or older.
>engage in dull childhood activities for years with little to none intellectual stimulation
This is a type of intellectual stimulation, that is why teachers and kindergarten workers are so burned out, dealing with a growing mind is hard on brain

>>44677702
i will check the diyhrt. what is subq by the way?

Ftm transition is a humiliation ritual and 98% of ft"m"s will never pass no matter what they do

Why is ftmg always so shit

Being born female is a fate worse than death

>>44681279
Multiple.

>>44681960
this gen is also shit. it always devolves into moids coming here and spamming "WHY ARENT YOU PREGNANT". if you were rational youd be thanking me for not passing down my genes

>>44683327
While it's probably better you don't reproduce for eugenics reasons, your anti-natalism is pathetic basic bitch brainwashed garbage. Do you understand the difference?

>>44683601
moid spotted

>>44683616
>heh, you seem all rational and intelligent n shieet u must be a man
Yep.

>>44683625
no, you seem retarded lmao

it’s not antinatalist to not want to get pregnant. you wouldn’t either if you were female

>>44683672
>uhhmmm not being antinatalist!
>"childbirth and pregnancy are metaphysical cuckoldry"
>other such histrionic bullshit
They aren't sending their best.

>>44683327
NEED mentally ill but infinitely more relatable para-poon wife than normal women