>>44666757
only a couple more good years left, might as well have fun

Did you go out of country for that FFS? Where

hello amy

why would you spend the amount of money people spend to buy a house only to change your face slightly

>>44666757
based, me but im poor i just coom to the humiliation of being with men as a straight man

>>44666757
who did you go to for such ffs? i don't think that's possible with most ffs, most of the time ffs isn't gonna make someone look 15 years younger
t. surgerymaxxer

>>44667273
wdym? are you a crossdresser?

>>44667351
no i'm a straight man who takes estrogen and dates men

>>44667489
And how do you dress

>>44667489
this is a larp and you're gooning to this larp

>>44667499
well no shit, that's exactly what I said

>>44667517
no, this is larp because you don't look like a teenage girl

>>44667263
Welcome to trannyism and the soulless narcississtic post post modern world bubba

>>44667528
well true, but I didn't read that as OP actually doing so either

>>44667489
do you pass for a woman?

>>44667565
I think so, sure

>>44667577
do you girlmode?

>>44667589
what questionnaire this is? yes I do, or womanmode, i'm old like OP

>>44667596
why would a straight man do all that? arent you just a trans woman?

>>44667612
maybe but thats boring

>>44666757
I really wanna fuck this guy, i hope he doesent rope

>>44667663
is he on hrt?

>>44666757
kek
>anon, I have worked hard for this money
>take this inheritance to set yourself up and better your life
>anon spends 100k to goon harder instead

I've been laughing for a solid 2 minutes, but I'd be seething so hard if i was in your family. what a waste of fucking money

>>44666757
Based if you coom with your bf/husband.
Not quite based if you still coom alone.
>>44667489
Based.
>>44667612
NTA but I went all the way to SRS for the fetish.
Most transwomen don't like me because I'm not a "tru" tranny since I didn't dream about being a girl basically never and had no tranny thoughts prior to age 23 or so. I enjoyed having a gf and living as a straight man. I just happen to enjoy a lot more living as a de facto straight woman.

>>44667489
>I'm a bisexual tranny
Wow you're a Kinsey 4 tranny instead of a Kinsey 2 trannyfucker (transbian)

Heterosexual males do NOT transition unless they SOLELY want to rape female cunny and avoid all transwomen for sex contact. (Rare, we hope)

>>44667663
he's wealthy and has a wife and kids visits top tier dommes

>>44667939
Being a woman is fucking awesome! Especially when it feels a bit naughty and transgressive

>>44668372
Felt transgressive when I started for sure. Consciously choosing to date men and feminize my body was transgressive.
Now, as I'm engaged and 4 years post op, it certainly doesn't feel as transgressive. Still feels naughty tho.

>>44668562
Did being post op significant change your internal identity and how you feel you fit into society?

I've had some people tell me that it doesn't change much, and you are still you. But there are also people that say the same thing about HRT, while I feel like a completely different person on HRT... which kinda has me thinking SRS might really change me too

>>44666757
pic? i want the ffs that makes you look like a teenage girl

>>44668996
>Did being post op significant change your internal identity
Not really. I still largely view myself as a failed male. Outside of sex (which I certainly enjoy a lot more now as I literally get to live my fantasy), it didn't change much.
>how you feel you fit into society?
No, not really.
It did improve some things in the sense that I no longer feel even remotely uneasy about being clocked. And I now also go to the nudist beach, which is really nice.
Do keep in mind that I am a "fake" tranny. I trooned for the fetish. Learning how to fit in society as a woman was the price to get to do what I craved.

>>44669052
You fully transitioned for a fetish? ??

>>44669509
Yep.

>>44667922
You say this but plenty of people on this board get ffs and glorify it

>>44667277
dr insta filter

>>44666757
>>spent 100k on FFS making myself look like a teenage girl
>>it worked
No, it did not, lmfao

>>44666757
LMAO I did this same shit. Fuck it, my 20s was spent as a fucking overworked drone, I'm getting my life back in my 30s.

>>44674452
>>44666757
I'm in my early 30s and am considering HRT and shit, tho I'll never be able to afford ffs and even if I could I'd probably rather spend the money on other things

Can either of you anons give me tips on how handle approaching this stuff this late into my life? Note I'm not really trying to pass, I just kinda want to look more feminine/youthful while manmoding and age more gracefully, though if HRT somehow works wonders despite my age maybe I'll be open to going past that

Also happy to speak over discord or whatever past when the thread 404s

wait 100k ffs? i thought it was more like 30k

>>44666757
so are you amybabygirl8 or are you pretending to be her?

>>44674779
Basically find an informed consent clinic nearby that will prescribe HRT, and then just start taking it. You'll likely need sports bras to cover up a bit of boob growth (most trans women only grow A-B cups and dont get full sized boobs unless they get a BA), but otherwise if you can't pass and have to manmode then as long as you cover up the boobs no one will notice you're taking HRT. They may notice that something has changed about you (such as smooth skin), but you can just say that you're using a skin cream for dry skin. I personally boymoded while privately working heavily on fashion, makeup, and voice training during my first year of HRT, and by the second year when I put in the effort I passed. It was unusual for people, since most expected a visibly trans person when they heard I was on HRT, but instead they just saw a passing women, and it actually made it easier for them to accept it, since I was just a women. Also, if you look attractive (again takes a lot of effort) people literally forget you're trans. I find the instant transition is the best route, since people don't have to grapple with the idea of a transition process. And, if all the effort isn't producing results, just boymode.

>>44674779
Also I started early 30s, and now look like a girl in my early 20s, most people think I'm a college student

>>44674794
Maybe if you only need a brow shave…

If you need the works, which is often 5 or more procedures, it can easily hit $100k w/o insurance.

>>44675026
Yup…Estrogen + Tretinoin is a goated combination. I’m 35 but am often told I look mid to late 20s.

>>44675019
>>44675026
>if you look attractive (again takes a lot of effort)
Other then the obvious (get enough sleep, shower and wash your face regularly, etc), what should I be doing for this?

Would be very interested in keeping in touch over discord or something as I said in >>44674779 if you were up for it, my username is here: https://pastebin.com/Ak84EpL9

>>44675794
>Tretinoin
First time I've heard of this, anything I should know I can't find easily via googling?

Honestly TikTok is a pretty great resource of tips but a couple things come to mind

1) It requires a prescription in the US…typically from a Dermatologist but a cool PCP might hook you up.

2) it’s essentially a very strong version of retinol. It increases skin cell turnover which reduces acne (I haven’t had a pimple in months) and increases collagen. The latter leads to improved texture, softer skin, and reduced fine lines.

3) It’s actually a lot cheaper than retinol with insurance which is pretty cool given its superior. Shows you how much you’re paying for BS marketing with OTC skincare.

4) I also really like it because it forces me to have a good skin care routine. Moisturizing, exfoliating and sunscreen are absolute musts when using Tretinoin.

>>44674823
Neither I just thought the pic illustrated the topic well.

>>44675946
I assume this is in reply to me asking about Tretinoin in >>44675880 ?

> It requires a prescription in the US…typically from a Dermatologist
I am actually going to see a Dermatologist about other issues anyways, what should I say to try to get them to prescribe it?

> It increases skin cell turnover
Could this worsen issues with skin flaking (I think I have seborrheic dermatitis) on my face?

>Moisturizing, exfoliating and sunscreen are absolute musts when using Tretinoin.
Can you clarify on this? What happens if you DON'T do this while using Tretinoin? How much time outside would I need to spend to use sunscreen? Like literally any time I leave the house even for an hour? (I'm a NEET and only leave the house once every week or two)

>>44676580
Yes it will worsen it and you wont get it prescribed if the derm is competent. You can get rid of SD with propa bastardizing. i'd recommend fixin it before your derm visit and before starting tret in general. if you cant fix it you can maybe look into BAKUCHIOL serum which is a new cell turnover joint that's pretty good for sensitive skin but less powerful, at about retinol level but weaker still.
>clarify
not xim but i wouldn't recommend exfoliating since it furhter replaces cell turnover. bastardizing is very important since tretinoin dries skin. i recommend cerave bastardizing lotion the blue one in cream format and cerave cleanser, very good cheap and lasts a ton. if you dont us sunscreen it will accelerate photoaging since it makes you sensitive to sunlight. maybe you can get away with not using it if you leave early morning or late. basically the further away from 1pm which is where uva rays peak. just use it as a rule of thumb though.

>>44668167
>>44667827
>>44667663
the compartmentalization powers this dude has must be insane

>>44667663
I wish I was his mistress

>>44675019
I'm 7 months hrt, and I still manmode when I go outside. All it's done is made my gyno slightly worse (maybe fucking grade 1 gyno now), and make me super soft and vampiric looking due to being pale. I just left my hikki cave yesterday to go to the hospital, and I fucking saw some non-passing gigahon walk by in what looked like a sissy costume, such a funny experience when you are a manmoder.

>>44677587
yeah it's called support

>>44666757
Degenerate is right. I've heard of no-estrogen-taking cis men who get SRS for some fucking reason, now we have cis men who get FFS.

>>44675019
>most trans women only grow A-B cups
because morons here believe fits fully grow in 1-2 years and not however long puberty lasts

>>44667263
there are worse ways to spend that kind of money

>>44676866
>Yes it will worsen it
Damn

Any alternatives then that help with collagen and such then that won't worsen that?

>you wont get it prescribed if the derm is competent
Because I also have SD, or just because Tretinoin isn't widely prescribed in general?

>You can get rid of SD with propa bastardizing
>bastardizing
I don't know what this means, and googling it isn't helping. Is this meant to be "Moisturizing"?

>>44677734
You aware of any research or info about if there's particular interactions between gyno and taking HRT? I think I have gyno and i'm worried about that, especially since I don't really want my chest getting much bigger to begin with

>>44667263
>buy a house
>have to pay property tax because the government actually owns everything
>can't renovate because of planning permission
>can't build anything extra because of planning permission
>if you have shitty neighbours you can't just move
>probably live in bumfuck nowhere because of how fucked the housing market is
imagine being a propertycuck

>>44679151
I think a cis man wanting FFS makes way more sense then them wanting SRS

>>44679429
I think if you start cleansing and moisturizing the SD should go away. And yes I mean the derm won't prescribe on someone with flare up probably, but you can say it's temporary or whatever and probably she will idk. For less irritating you can start with Retinol but at that point I'd probably just use tretinoin once a week until your skin gets used to it and progressively go up in intensity. You can also use the sandwich method where you put moisturizer in first and then tret so it doesn't irritate your skin too hard.

If you can't handle retinoids at all then Bakuchiol serums (0.5 twice a day or 1% once a day concentrations) are a less irritating version of retinol which also produces collagen and increases cell turnover rate. It's also better as it doesn't increase light sensitivity. I probably wouldn't use it over areas with active sebhorreic dermatitis though. I've started using it cause I'm doing laser hair removal so I can't use retinol cause of the light sensitivity thing.

>>44680666
>And yes I mean the derm won't prescribe on someone with flare up probably
I apologize that I am this dense, but, again, just to clarify: You mean a flare up of SD?

>If you can't handle retinoids at all then Bakuchiol serums
The tradeoff with these is that in exchange for not causing as much irritation and not causing light senstivity, they are less effective then Retinol or Tretinoin?

>>44681133
Yeah they're a bit less effective than retinol which is significantly weaker than tretinoin. I've heard good things about it though.

>>44681277
>>44681133
Yes a flare up of seborrehic dermatitis. But I mean I don't know I'm not a derm I just know it's not supposed to be used on compromised skin. But I'm sure maybe there retarded or you can just convince them if there not. Also depends where and how much you have I guess .

>>44666811
hi

>>44675880
>what should I be doing for this?
you should have efforted your way into the right kind of genetics, obviously

>>44675774
damn, i’ve gone from “i’m pretty on track for affording ffs” to “i’m way ahead of schedule for affording ffs” to “i’m never gonna afford ffs” over the past 6 months. i’ll just continue not directly looking into the prices