I just started injections a week ago, on Thursday. Is it too soon to check my levels this coming Thursday? Should I wait a few weeks?

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okay so my bf says he'll leave if I get boobs but I think he's under the impression that you get giant D-cup basketballs after one estrogen pill
surely he won't be repulsed by tiny hrt-titties....
I wasn't planning on doing prog or anything... maybe he won't even notice
maybe I'll just do it without telling him hehehehe

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>be me, Symphony Labs

>never inspect vials before selling
>claim that hair in vials was due to "one bad batch",everyone in the community starts replying to anyone complaining about hairy vials with the "one bad batch" explanation and that the issue was already fixed for future batches
>tfw current batches still have hair
>claim that loose vial caps that fall off was due to manual crimping
>still have loose vial caps one month later
>self advertise on wikipedia by putting my vial picture on the estradiol enanthate page
>put photos of my lab on the wiki page for DIY HRT
>join the transdiy discord and brag about opsec sensitive business practices
>somehow the mods are ok with this
>hire a new shipper even though she lives with her chud parents
>packing 50 orders a day in her living room after her family sleeps
>chud parents find out and kick her out
>not my fault
>hire a new shipper to clear backlog
>new shipper shits herself and creates a 4 week backlog
>claim customers are lying to people about a 4 week backlog
>claim customers are lying to people about taking preorders
>its the customer's fault for lying about our practice
>get exposed that all uk domestic orders were preorders, have to offer refunds for anyone who ordered from the uk
>left uk customers waiting over a month before admitting that i let preorders pile up for vials that weren't in the uk warehouse yet
>customer data leak exploit was brought to my attention in May
>lie about fixing it
>tfw customer data was leaked 2 months later because i never fixed the api exploit after someone already notified me
>somehow this is everyone else's fault for being mad that i didn't fix the exploit for 2 months
>somehow the entire community still has my back because im so good at community outreach and PR
>make 20k in earnings every month
>everyone still treats me like a small time brewer doing it out of the goodness of my heart
>now have 8 week backlog
>still taking preorders
>tracking still broken
>still winning?
>tfw

>>44669469
stupid question but how do i split pills?
i've got some 50mg androcur cypro ace and i want to quarter them but i don't know how
is it just a kitchen knife or do i need something else?

>>44670980
you can get a "pill cutter" for like $5 check amazon or your local drug store if those options are available where you live

>>44670980
you can do it with a kitchen knife

>>44669552
you really don't need to do that for months, it takes a while to build up and stabilize

>>44669869
maybe you should just dump him and find someone that accepts you

>>44671430
>>44671657
thanks for the help, i dont think the kitchen knives i have are that clean (dont cut myself just foodstains lol) but video i found said you can press them against the back of a spoon and they should split
doing a spray btw, 1mg per, good dose is about 6-12 sprays a day? im scared of needles but nobody else is so there's not much resources for spray
thanks again, shame thread is kinda dead, need to hammer out actual regimen soon too but the calculator is scary and i have no bloods

>>44672027
i am throw up and pass out afraid of needles, i feel you

has anybody had good experiences with PPL vials? I have seen good things about their powder but not anything on the vials before.

SYMPHONY LABS IS TRASHING THEIR BRAND. THE REBRAND INTO PAWSNAX IS STARTING. JUST AS I SAID IN THE LAST THREAD. THEY ARE NOT ALLIE.

>>44672027
6mg transdermal is fine if its scrotal. just wash the knifes? do you not have a sink

>>44672069
i have not tried them i dont even know what oil they are

>>44673405
doing it on the back of my thigh, 6 sprays (1mg each)
just did dose btw thanks for the help
stains would require effort and im gonna get a pill cutter tommorow hopefully
sligtly less funny/funny depending on which way you look at it
i did say i dont cut myself but i was close to doing
im an autistic fuck (go fish) and almost pathologically wanted them clean, but i couldn't get them so
so that's the reason i'm not in therapy
anyway, cheers, hard enough on terf island without the penis police barging into your home for your woman licence
sidenote, yesterday a small bit of the liquid spilled on the bottle and i touched it and felt better, like physically happier
probably placebo but it was pretty weird, not really feeling anything now though
need to sleep tho, gnight prolly, don't go gently into it!

started boofing prog a week and a half ago, is it worth it to put 2 100mg pills up my ass or should i just use one at a time and switch to 200mg pils when they run out?

>>44673575
oh my god

Symphony Labs getting ripped apart on reddit. Not sure why they thought doing preorders for the 20th time is suddenly going to work out. Remember when Symphony complained in a blog post about people "lying" that they had a 4 week backlog and how they would never do pre-orders (only to have to refund 400 UK orders after their latest batch never made it to the UK warehouse)

>>44673844
They started selling again? There's still a 1-2 month backlog for a lot of customers idk why they wouldn't fill those orders first...

>>44673141
pawsnax is selling 40mg/ml now too
>>44673844
i honestly thought redditors were too braindead to notice

>>44674824
I guarantee that over the next several months you will see pawsnax slowly expand their stock to include undecylate and valerate, and slowly remove the gross cutesy pony branding into something normal. undoubtedly they will eventually suffer the same shipping and customer support problems symphony did

Heartbreaking: Worst homebrewer who is addicted to running a brewop can't stop herself from continuing a failing business and making a 4th attempt at rebranding.

>>44673559
read the picrel scrotum > butt > stomach > thighs

>>44673575
either works

>>44674962
has anyone actually ordered from them?

>>44675750
shes doing her best

OK I accept I'm getting underdosed, how do I get on DYI in australia

>>44676100
>DYI
im retard

>>44676100
You're kinda out of luck after Panacea shut down. Best bet is to order from Aurelia or one of the euro labs on Valerie.

I noticed Valerie is always defending Symphony, and they sided with them on blueksy over the data leak situation. It is extra suspicious how Pawsnax was verified without any customer reviews before they even made any sales.

She's obviously just verifying her friends, same thing when OGL was verified the same day TeaHRT shut down. Rebrands of "trusted" brewers get to skip Valerie's supposedly rigorous verification process.

Quoted from Valerie's own website btw:
>Sites like ours make sure there are months worth of satisfactory feedback from customers before listing anything from them

>>44676348
>Sites like ours make sure there are months worth of satisfactory feedback from customers before listing anything from them
And how likely is it that Valerie removes Symphony after months worth of unsatisfactory feedback and lying to customers? I do not have high hopes.

>>44676330
>https://www.alldaychemist.com/calutide-50mg.html
>https://www.alldaychemist.com/progynova-2mg.html
I can try ordering pills online here, but might try to contact other people in my state and see what they know

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hey retards pawsnax isn't affiliated with symphony
and neither was ogl/tea, she's retired
pawsnax is a splinter of allie's op

>>44676800
>>44676800
symphony/pawsnax hands typed this post
and literally no one in this thread claimed tea was affiliated with symphony, who are you even responding to?

>>44669469
out of curiosity has anyone here tried estrone cycling to enhance breast growth? i remember an anon talking about taking oral E pills for 10 days, then off for 20 days, then on again, etc. for the record i've been on HRT for six years already (injections) and got implants, i'm reasonably happy with my size but i'm lowkey suffering from boob greed (many such cases) and wouldn't mind being even bigger ahaha,, anything else i could try?

>>44676843
>4th attempt at rebranding

>>44676853
what were the first three?

>>44676800
did allie have a stroke and decide to abandon mutual aid? hell would freeze over before she uses wordpress of all things. unless you actually know insider information, pawsnax looks like a valiant effort to pretend to be an allie rebrand through their visuals and branding while everything else about them feels like a contradiction.

>>44676879
allie isn't personally involved

>>44676888
then there's no reason to use her style and branding, allie is the one who created it. it makes zero sense.

>>44676897
hope you know she had a team and wasn't brewing, fulfilling, handling support all on her own

>>44676926
Her "team" took 3 months to fulfill a single MA order. If valerie verified them without a single confirmed sale then something is seriously wrong.

>>44676800
Allie's team also fell apart from infighting and incompetence, makes me even more disappointed in Valerie for verifying them without any record of sales. They were literally taking 3+ months to ship out one MA vial. I'm not making this up either, ask the Artemis girl how long it took for her order to get to her.

>>44673141
i know you're larping out of your ass but you might be right. somehow i just know they're going to clean up their visual style and branding and within 6 months sell every item that symphony does, internationally.

>>44676800
one key thing that whoever ran pawsnax failed to realize is that the vials and the transdermals were made by multiple different brewers for Allie's site. unlikely that they would all come together for a for profit business.
also unlikely that any one member of Allie's team would have capacity to make two kinds of vials and two kinds of spray as someone completely new to running a brewop.

BTW, the most recent Symphony preorder incident was apparently caused by an entire batch of vials breaking in transit before they even reached their shipper. So yet again, after several previous backlog incidents caused by accepting preorders for stock that their shippers didn’t actually have on hand, they’ve decided to do the exact same thing again. Symphony is genuinely addicted to selling stock they don’t have on hand for some ungodly reason.

>>44673575
Nice, how does it make you feel, and where can someone get that stuff?

I do not have access to injections and I live in a country with extremely strict customs. Any advice on how I could get it (somehow)? If I can't find a way to get it I I'll just start pills, 6mg estradiol valerate and 12.5mg cypro.
I just see people recommend injections here allll the time I really don't wanna miss out on it. Is there any difference in injections and pills in terms of how well the hrt works?

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you vill not complain complain symphony and you vill be happy

>>44678354
about*

>>44678354
I will enjoy my 8 week wait times. I will love my homebrewer overlords. I will be happy. The mods know what's best for me. Praise American brewers.

>>44671994
no no no I think he's just being dramatic, he'll see it's not so bad
he's fine with everything but he draws the line at boobs for some weird reason

>>44677979
if you have good levels with pills (which is harder to attain) then it's basically the same as injections. there's just more long term health risks

is it possible to permanently ruin your receptors from overdosing on ev for two months???
Its been like 7 months since then and i still feel like im getting nothing but more masc. Like- im 4 years on hrt and just look like some guy with long hair now.

>>44678563
thats not sex hormone receptors work. you could be shbg maxxing tho

>>44677979
yeah dont take the estradiol orally though

>>44676935
lmao almost like something is seriously wrong with valerie

>>44676897
>then there's no reason to use her style and branding
its done exactly so you think that
>allie is the one who created it.
which is not true oomf

nooticing how it's always the american brewers doing weird shit and getting themselves into drama

>>44679245
>be me, symphony labs owner
>hire my 16 year old discord friend in the uk who lives with her parents as my UK distributor
>she gets caught by her parents
>tfw
legit this was the most unbelievably dumb thing ive seen any homebrewer do.

Since Symphony supposedly sucks, what are the other options for US domestic if any, and of those, which are actually decent? I don't keep up with this stuff as much as I should, the HRT cafe replacement doesn't seem as good to me for info. I'm not mtf, I just order vials for my gf when she's almost out. Originally I ordered otokonoko, but wanted to move from that because of delays and because I wanted domestic shipping, so I ordered from Symphony a few months ago and my gf has been on that vial. I don't know whete to order from when that's almost out though. Btw, does anywhere have domp these days that isn't some Indian gray market pharmacy or something?

tl;dr what are the good domestic US brewers and is there anywhere to get domp that isn't international/is actually trans focused

>>44679309
Hera is fine I think. Otokonoko is fine too, just order extra vials and order early. Why do you want to give her domp? Pls be careful with it, it can be dangerous, you need high dosages to get lactation.

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>>44669469
hey nonas, babytrans here. I just got my first vial of Estradiol Enanthate and would appreciate if some nonas would help me with the next steps (injection/storage/etc)

>Estradiol Enanthate
>40mg/mL
>10mL vial
Each vial contains:
>Estradiol enanthate
>Benzyl alcohol
>MCT oil
I ordered it from calyx cc if that's important.

Is this normal/safe? I'm not sure what reason the Benzyl alcohol and MCT oil would be in the estradiol. I suspect there's some reason I just want to be safe and check if that's the norm.

I'm planning on doing my first injection today, but I don't have any bloodwork done and don't know if I can get any done anytime soon.
I'm going to be buying some insulin needles from a nearby pharmacy shortly, should those work?
How frequently should I be injecting Estradiol Enanthate and at what dosage? (I'm 6'5, 200 lbs Caucasian troon if that's important for dosing)
Would storing my estradiol in a closet in a locked box work? My room gets really cold during winter and really hot during summer so I'm not sure if it's a good idea to store it there. Is there anything I should know about storing E?

>>44679532
>Is this normal/safe?
Yes, its normal & safe. MCT oil is the carrier oil; its what the estrogen is dissolved in. The oil gets absorbed into your body relatively quickly and leaves behind estradiol crystals that slowly dissolve into your bloodstream. The benzyl alcohol is an antibacterial/preservative.

>I'm going to be buying some insulin needles from a nearby pharmacy shortly, should those work?
Yes, they'll work for subcutaneous injection

>How frequently should I be injecting Estradiol Enanthate and at what dosage?
4–8mg (0.1mL–0.2mL) every 7–10 days is pretty normal. I'd suggest starting with maybe 6mg (0.15mL) every 10 days and increasing after a few weeks if u feel its too low. When i used enanthate i did 8mg every 10 days which was probably a bit higher than necessary but I never had bloodwork done. I increased my dose from 4mg -> 6mg -> 8mg bc i noticed i was consistently feeling very fatigued (and also maybe experienced hot flashes idk) in the days leading up to my injection.
For your first injection you should do a loading dose of 2x what you intend to inject normally; so if you're gonna do 6mg then your first injection should be 12mg (0.3mL).

>Would storing my estradiol in a closet in a locked box work?
Should be fine. If it gets really cold, before you draw up check for any crystals that might be floating in the vial. If there are any warm it up in your hand and then shake the vial to try and dissolve them back up.

Valerie completely missed the mark with their latest bluesky post, this is not a "communications" issue from Symphony, this is an issue of them repeatedly opening up their shop to take on hundreds of new orders, while there are still many, many old pending orders placed months that haven't been fulfilled.

This is also an issue of them repeatedly doing preorders for stock they do not physically have in the hands of their shippers, which has fucked them over at LEAST 3 separate times.

>>44679926
ikr it's so weird? literally the only thing that reddit post was complaining about is how Symphony kept accepting new orders and restocking when they still had likely hundreds of old orders they never shipped out.

valerie just totally glossed that over. that reddit post had 500 upvotes so it's certainly a shared opinion.

nobody would truly give a shit if they just shut down shop to catch up every time they had a small backlog, and you wouldn't see the 3 month or so wait times you see now, how could this possibly just be a communication issue?

>>44669469

Im a third world babytrans and i only have access to pills. Is 4 mg E and 200 mg Spiro daily good? Im 1 month on HRT so far

>>44679926

don't you know retard they're not amazon, you can't expect them to not accept new preorders when they already have a 3 month backlog. if it's so easy why don't you start your own operation. this is basically mutual aid, symphony are not even making a profit. i for one welcome being made to wait another month for my order to ship out while new customers keep buying more preorders

>>44680132
spiro is trash. if you have to take pills take cyproterone or bicalutamide

>>44669980
holy shit I didn't know it was that bad

>>44680161

I know that its bad i really do but its my only only option unfortunately because those 2 are prescription only in my country

>>44680161
REMEMEBER TO CUT THE CYPRO, one quarter should be about 12.5mg, im cypro anon from a day ago scroll up, havent got one yet but ill get one tmrw for my AA dose
speaking of which what time is best for AA? took 1 quarter about 1:10 last night
>>44675903
also does scrotal mean the midpoint of my hips or SCROTAL like the balls
dumb questions yeah but i'm dumber
thanks for a ll the help, i feel great, and to all shitphony whiners yea i get it but youre clogging the gen and most of us would prefer you take it outside

any where I can get diy T gel?

>>44680494
As a peterpanmoding AGAMP, I would also like to know where I can get some diy T gel

This is so unfair, so so unfair. I have no idea if i'm doing smt wrong, or my body, or whatever. I only feel bad cuz no matter where I look i don't see a similar case. Like, shit grows only behind the nipple. When I look at other people or look up what they ask, they have breast growth where they look round, or tuberous or cone or whatever. But not a single person seem to have growth only behind the nipple. I have a fucking areola like a ball hanging on a flat torso, what kinda shit is that.

>>44681108
post litter

Want to ask my gp about starting e, but I don't have a gender dysphoria diagnosis. I live in a pretty liberal state though (cali) so is there a right or wrong way to go about this?

How often should I dose enalate and how many milligrams if I did 3mg/week EV

>>44669469
I'm around 5 months in, 4mg EEn. Thinking about upping my dose to 6mg and starting prog sooner or later. Should I inject 5mg for a few weeks and ramp it up to 6mg gradually or just do it all at once?

I just started hrt about a week ago, my endo has me on 2mg estriadol and 25mg of spiro, he says this will just be for the first 3 or so months to see effects and possibly up the dosage but i fear this is way too low as is and not sure how to ask about this formally, is this a normal dose starting off?

what is enalate

im so done with the lack of supply by NA brewers. i am like this close to starting my own brewop because i could probably do a better job than atleast fucking symphony. i dont even want the money i honestly am just fed the fuck up. once i learn where to get benzyl alcohol its over

>>44683186
?

>>44683139
25mg is getting close to too low range. if masculinization does not cease you need to dose higher. 2mg oral is a placebo dose in most people. sublingual is something but not an appropriate dose.

>>44682863
it doesnt matter that much

>>44681741
diy. or informed consent or endo clinic. gps dont prescribe hormones in us for the most part

>>44681108
hmm i would need labs to make a statement do u have access

>>44680494
>>44681032
go to any of the 50000000 steroid sites or make ur own

>>44680296
scrotal means scrotum.

>>44683538
>>44682678

Hello, I'm starting injections soon, I'm just waiting for the needles to do intramuscular, but I don't quite understand how much should I Inject every 5 days with the vial I got
> Estradiol Valerate
> 10ml/400mg (40mg/ml) I don't get this part
Ordered it from Hera
So reading the hrt directory it says that for 4mg you should inject 0.1ml but I'm no sure if that's the dose you continue using like forever or if you ever up it eventually, I was on spyro with estrogel for like 3 months before as I couldn't get anything else so I was just waiting for my vials to arrive
Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Why is my gock starting to work again it didn't for a while and I felt so happy...

>>44679199
>yeah dont take the estradiol orally though
Why not?

>>44677462
honestly, i haven’t felt any really changes, but i’m really not perceptive of anything, including my own changes. plus it hasn’t been long, i’m still not even 2 weeks in prog

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probably about to start HRTrepping soon (vial coming in two days, though i haven't pulled the trigger on the needles yet), but before i start, i still have two concerns regarding genital function:
>is it known whether one can regain fertility? i don't have a partner, and frankly don't ever see myself having one, but it just feels all so eerily final, and i've only seen conflicting reports on just how final it actually is
>how much do the penis and testicles decrease in size? the idea of just having nearly an empty sack likewise just kinda freaks me out (though it's not a dealbreaker). and is penile atrophy guaranteed, or is that completely avoidable as long as you manage to get it up enough times?
i get it, real troon patriots would embrace these things with open arms, but i keep to myself and so don't ever expect to be with another person, so it's one of the few things i don't feel much dysphoria about

>>44679532
is their 7 day delivery thing real

>>44684311
>regain fertility
yes if you go off it. also you might not even lose it in the first place.

>>44683769
enanthate? 4mg a week.

>>44683916
4mg every 4-5 days is prolly fine. use one of the calculators.

>>44684085
estrone and shbg

>>44683538
Last time I did a blood test I had 152 pg/ml estrogen, 19.3 ng prolactine, 0.12 ng testosterone and undetectable (<0.03 UI) FSH and LH. Though I didn't have the opportunity to do many blood tests before then because of hiding hrt and not having much cash to get it done.

Did 10 mg of Een every 7 to 10 days, sometimes 20 mg for a bit more than 2 weeks if I didn't have needles

previous thread 404'd before I could reply and there wasn't a new thread

>>44657958
it looks very fluid, almost like water
>>44658070
literally every other site was out of stock and I was desperate

>>44672069
they took a bit over a month to deliver, had zero stealth packaging, literally just vials directly in a padded packaging envelope. the tracking also disappeared after week 3 and I thought it got siezed, then a couple weeks later they mysteriously arrived. probably some china smuggle method.

but they don't say what carrier oil is used, I checked all over their site and their emails don't say either, I don't know shit about injections at all, and now I guess I need to know, I'm >>44685000 (Checked)

>>44684843
does it look like the girl that did the topical E/P cycling stuff?

>>44685110
I have absolutely no clue who that is.

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I've been doing my injections for over a month into my stomach with a 1 1/4 inch needle. yes I know that's stupid but it's what i have and i do it at an angle if that helps.

if I've been doing it this long without issue should I just continue or should I stop being a moron and just inject in my thigh?

>>44684311
I've been on een for almost 2 months and while I have noted a total drop in libido and spontaneous erections, I am a total gooner and have no trouble getting hard, I just have to focus more on the act. I hear maintaining like 3 10 minute erections a week is enough to prevent atrophy as well

>>44686221
Just do the thigh. I did the belly for a while as well but had to stop because I was getting rashes at the injection site. I've got skinny ass thighs but still found a suitable patch to pinch. So it really isn't hard.