I wish there was a way to get all the effects of estrogen without actually taking estrogen. As much as I like the effects I don’t want to be associated with women or feminine people.
>>44681274Realest shit I've read, I'm too misogynistic and transphobic to ever troon out.
>be op>doesn't want to be associated with femininity>really wants all the effects of estrogen, including feminine traits>doesn't want to take estrogen..?retarded???
>>44681291Had that same Furby color
>>44681291yea I just want to look cute while still being seen as a manly man. The idea that id have to tell a doctor I take estrogen while still being by normal masculine self is so cringe it keeps me off it
>>44681305what I mean is I like having feminine skin and hair and stuff but I don’t want to be seen as a feminine person or being associated with women, that’s cringe asf
I guess what im trying to say is I really admire the ideals of masculinity, like being strong and intelligent and doing cool shit but I don’t really like the reality of being male which is being greasy and smelly and hairy. So if I could look feminine but still be seen as a top male that would be great. There’s plenty of men who have this naturally but I don’t
>>44681396If you're an ambitious and talented woman, they see you as valuable and validIf you're an ambitious and talented man, they see you as a danger to be put down
>>44681841that’s just objectively false
>>44681396you can just be an ambitious masculine woman
>>44682087You can find some exceptions maybe, but truth of the matter is that corporate and large institution bureaucracy doesn't really want men succeedingYou can find it in the programs and one sided "equality" policiesI know for a fact my career would have been much better if I was a woman
>>44682173I don’t want to be a woman, I don’t even want to be associated with them. What I really want to is to be a feminine looking male, but naturally. Taking e implies you *want* to look feminine, which is cringe, I want to be feminine solely by the gifts of god
>>44682435well boo hoo. that's not what you are. you can man up and take responsibility for your form in this world or you can john50. choose.
>>44681274don't let other people decide how you live your lifejust because you might share some traits with people you don't like doesn't mean you don't deserve those traitsignore them and take your meds so you can be happyfuck women
>>44683246I know that’s why im saying I wish there was a pill I could take that wasn’t associated with women or trannies
>>44683812and I'm saying you're a pussy for giving a fuck.
>>44683823it’s about my own self image not what other people think
>>44683837then trash your self image. better than trashing your physical image
>>44683812I made a fake print out label I put on my vial for "Testosterone Enanthate" when I started my Estradiol Enanthate injections. Its fine if you don't think about stuff too hard. It's like a reverse "pink tax", just do what is best for yourself not what label it says on it. I used women's shampoos sometimes as a cis man because some had better ingredients and stuff.
>>44683921yea too hard I tried for many years to not see femininity as cringe and shameful and I just can’t >>44683956I can’t do the “trick yourself” bs that’s why therapy never worked for me ngl that shit is fembrained bro
this entire thread has been us trying to help you and you going oohhhhhh I couldn't possiblyyyy. if you want to be a pathetic little bitch that bad just say so and fuck off. if you want to actually improve yourself, take our advice. it's not that fucking hard.
>>44684139But long midface
>>44684139that’s bc their “advice” is to ruin my self confidence and health with exogenous hormones
>>44684395>self confidenceyour fault and your problem>health"woe is me I now have the blood clot risk of an average woman"
