you realize that normal cis people dont wish they could turn into a girl at all, at most they wish they could turn into an animal but generally if shapeshifting is your superpower of choice you probably aren't cis

>>44681459
I still don't feel like im a truly valid trans person tho most people do nit develop gender dysphoria from a character swapping genders on a whim. I was normal before puberty with no signs im fake trans and not valid

>>44681505
...so you were fine with your body
...before it started masculinizing
-__-

Many such cases. Sad!

>>44681680
Yeah but most trans people weren't fine before puberty and didn't need to read gender bender anime to realize they're trans so im still fake and don't deserve to be a woman

>>44681702
I didn't know until i was like 15 that i might not be cis. I did however get the feeling something was wrong with my body and perform a LOT of youtube werewolf transformation spells and community boards (thank god google plus is dead). and of course after I realized i looked back and there were some things that made sense but for the most part I was completely oblivious some people are just better at knowing themselves than others

>>44681702
>most trans people weren't fine before puberty
incorrect

WHY did you get addicted to gender bender stories? I think you were already not normal by that point anon.

>>44681752
>and perform a LOT of youtube werewolf transformation spells
That's so real.

>>44681828
by the light of the moon and our piercing howls :D (god thinking about it makes me cringe so hard I literally was feeling my ribcage change because of puberty and thought i was transforming but its funny to think about now)

>>44681752
Idk I still feel like a fraud larping as trans while having nothing in common with real trans people

>>44681811
How so when many trannies were saying they're a girl at like 6 or very feminine boys?

>>44681828
Idk the concept of a guy becoming a woman was crazy and fascinating? Maybe im just a sick twisted pervert? Either way I don't feel like i deserve to be a woman for it

>>44681887
>How so when many trannies were saying they're a girl at like 6 or very feminine boys
those ones end up hotter and are trumped up for spectacle by cissoids. they're a small percentage of the actual trans population

>>44681967
Well they're more likely to be believed than I ever will be. How can ever I justify me being a woman to anyone irl when gender bender content is the cause of my questioning? I'm sure most of the actual trans population would think im not a real tranny either.....

>>44682002
just dont tell them its the reason? lie and say youve always known, tons of people do especially to doctors and therapists

>>44681702
>most trans people weren't fine before puberty
i was.
and told myself this for years as well. never stopped wanting to be a woman. now i'm transitioning late as fuck. it DOESN'T have to make the perfect rational sense you think it does, it likely never will, the question you do have to answer is which way you're happier

>>44682024
I'm already on hrt I just feel like I don't deserve it. I'm probably never going to come out tho im too ashamed knowing I'm the fakest tranny there is

>>44681865
>I literally was feeling my ribcage change because of puberty and thought i was transforming
Awww. This knocked on the door of some memory for me but man I've suppressed far too much to know. I do remember I used to eat my hair to try and cough up furballs so I'm sure I was a cool kid.

>>44681887
Okay and if you had to guess, WHY was it crazy and fascinating to you dumbass?

>Maybe im just a sick twisted pervert?
Oh you're right, it's definitely [empty value judgement] good thinking.

>Either way I don't feel like i deserve to be a woman for it
Deservedness is not real. In this world you take what you can get. You feel like womanhood can be "deserved" because you value it because you're a tranny. I think if you didn't find this flimsy ass reason to call it fake you'd have found another because you hate yourself and think you don't deserve good things.

>>44681887
>How so when many trannies were saying they're a girl at like 6
stop comparing urself to perfect white rich youngshit success stories PLEASE IT MADE ME REP FOR SO LONG STOOOPPPP

>>44682002
>gender bender content is the cause of my questioning
>I'm sure most of the actual trans population would think im not a real tranny
you are completely delusional

>>44682056
>I'm the fakest tranny there
you are the realest tranny nona. and ur awesomesauce

>>44682073
Even if I stop comparing myself to youngshits I still don't feel fembrained like the rest of trans women im just not innately woman like you people are im a fraud

>>44681423
It’s pretty simple, if you feel dysphoria your a tranny and your life is fucked. If you don’t feel dysphoria then just do whatever you want, even if it means trying to gender blend yourself or whatever. Even if you feel dysphoria there is no need to identify using the tranny label. Basically if you have dysphoria do whatever you can to minimize it, otherwise just live your life.

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>>44681423
Do you have any recs, OP?
I like stories where the gender bent character has their sexual orientation change too (either gradually or all at once) but those stories are extremely rare :(

>>44682785
I stopped reading gender bender when I started hrt they kinda rubbed me the wrong way when none of these dudes were getting dysphoria over being in a different body while still identifying as male

>>44682872
theres one where he gets "woke up as a girl syndrome" and is dysphoric but its sad asf

Ranma 1/2 implanted the seed in my teen self.

>>44682950
And how do you not feel.like a fake tranny for knowing gender bender was the source of your questioning?

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>>44681459
>>44681423
>normal cis people dont wish they could turn into a girl
Yes, they do.

>>44682998
If this is true I really am fake just a perverted retard who went too far hahaha...

>>44683022
You're a perverted retard, true, but so is everyone :)

>>44683031
It only hurts because I can't actually be a woman like real trannies just an evil degenerate invading their spaces. I wish I were like a normal trans person instead of a perverted teenage freak that trigures by anime

>>44683072
Real trannies arent a thing, retard. You're all just different levels of fucked up men. If anything you should be GLAD, you're not naturally good at being a tranny because it would mean you're shorter, dumber, and have more diseases.

>>44682872
I get around this by acknowledging the reality that at least some men would not be dysphoric about it.

>>44682998
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>>44683111
A lot of trannies actually are women im just not because im fake

>>44682267
being trans to me really isn't about soulpassing anymore, not ever since i stopped repping, i had to come to terms with the fact i don't fit the popular narrative of what a trans woman is. i spent years telling myself i was confused, even went thru a hefab phase. i am malebrained into oblivion too, nona, i like all sorts of stuff that stupid nerd boys like but me not being into 'girl' stuff or me telling myself i wasn't enough of a woman in spirit to justify transitioning never made me less scared of aging male, dying male, it never stopped me from crying my eyes out whenever i think about those things, if we could rationalize our way out of this and just say "oh, i'm malebrained as fuck, so whatever" we all would... but your pain never goes away does it? so you should just think about what makes you a tiny bit happier.. even if it doesnt make sense to that rational part of your brain, if it makes you less dysphoric, and makes you a little more comfortable with being alive, then it's good, why would that be bad? you deserve to have a life like everybody else. you have one shot to build one for yourself and then we're off into the nothingness.

>>44683187
>hefab
i meant theymab... completely mixed up the terms...

>>44682993
because it makes perfect sense for a latently sex incongruent person to be fascinated by the concept of changing one's sex?

>>44683187
Honestly I don't feel like my life is mine to live

>>44683319
I choose to beat myself up over it because it doesn't make sense when I try to imagine it from a normal person's perspective

>>44683363
yeah because normies are brainwashed into gender unicorn shit. atp it just sounds like you're intentionally using the wrong frame of reference to interpret your life in order to feel as miserable as possible. there's no need

>>44683363
The only thing that matters to normal people and society is physically passing. If you end up passing and living in the woman social role then you are unquestionably a woman. That's what happens in all the gender bender manga and it's accurate. You should be worried about your pass potential more than whatever mental tesseract you're trying to create around soulpassing.

P.S. I knew at 6 and I've read half of the gb manga on earth

>>44681887
I told my mom I wanted to be a girl at 6. But like, pre-puberty I was "fine". In the sense that I wasnt having daily breakdowns.

Dysphoria got worse as differentiating features became more noticable.

>>44681459
>normal cis men never wish they could experience a social life on easy mode as a girl
are you retarded? there's an incel to tranny pipeline precisely because lonely nerds can't get any action as men

>>44683380
>>44683420
>>44683590
Are you all trying to convince me that I actually am dealing with a normal tranny experience and am not a fake? I only got worse as I got older with dysphoria

>>44681423
Embrace it freak…

>>44683646
Not really, and anyone who think being a woman is easy mode is a moron. A trans person who transitions is going to find wonders here, and new challenges to face, they are going to find beauty and pain. But what they won't find is easy mode.

Anyone who transitions for easy mode is going to be sorely disappointed.

>>44683659
Sort of? I was mostly telling you about my life and seeing if you relate. Gender dysphoria as a 6 year old was like a persistent discomfort, lets compare it to something silly like wearing cloths a size or two too large: for me it was uncomfortable and annoying, but it was a tolerable level of discomfort.

During the start of puberty it was, by way of metaphore, like wearing cloths a size too small: uncomfortable and hard to function, but you can tolerate it if needed.

By the end of puberty it was... Worse. Much worse.

Because a child's biology isn't that differentiated yet. Puberty is when girls and boys really start differentiating.

>>44683678
If you're socially awkward and you fail at a social life simply because you're deathly afraid to approach others, then the notion of being the one that others approach is easy mode enough. No doubt plenty of men have transitioned because they wanted to be chased instead of having to do the chasing.

>>44683659
yes because that is how it works for most of us. I am more faketrans than you according to your own reasoning and anecdotes

>>44683725
Eh, I've had people approach me pre-transition. One girl in college who basically became my best friend after she realized I was not the kind of "guy" that would date. We still cuddled though.

I wasn't even attractive, a bit overweight, and the 5'5" that incels pretend is total social death or whatever.

Nowadays? Yeah, I get approached by more guys, not so much women, but like... That's a blessing and a curse. Got raped by my first BF, and an SA from a guy I thought I could trust. Getting groped, catcalled. Etc...

Talked down to, respected less at work even when I am stealth, getting seen as less intelligent by default, it all creates barriers.

There are wonders here, but being a woman is not what the incels think it is. And that's not counting how many guys who approach you expect that you will serve as a bang maid.

Then there are challenges on top of that with being trans.

>>44683808
I should note that I have also found solidarity and alliance from other women, though not universally. Friendship is easier and social interaction feels more natural. I just wanted to add that because I kind of listed the miserable parts of being a woman, but never actually mentioned the nice parts.

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I'm not really into gender bender stuff, but I am also unsure if I am "actually" trans, or am nonbinary, or am just a GNC guy, and it makes me a bit insecure about hanging around Trans spaces

On one hand, I:
>Feel wistful when looking at people's transition timelines
>Have had (primarily nonsexual, with a few exceptions) dreams where I'm feminine or androgynous (or straight up have female genitals/a combo of genitals), feel sad it was just a dream when I wake up
>When I came across the concept of intersex/hermaphrodism and characters with traits of both sexes as a preteen, I wished I could be that (for nonsexual reasons)
>Get gender envy of certain women and female characters
>Always picked/made androgynous/feminine male characters in games and character creators
>Got euphoria when looking at a genderswapped version of my face through Faceapp
>Hesitant to label myself with he/him pronouns online

On the other hand, I
>Don't mind being gendered as male otherwise
>Don't feel actively disgusted by my current body (though I do wish I had a more feminine build and am considering HRT for that/to look younger longer)
>Don't have a desire to be actively seen/treated as a woman in society or by others
>Often imagine myself with a feminine face, body, breasts etc in sexual fantasies, I find twinks, femboys, trans women, trans men, tomboys, etc hot, femboy and futa doujins shaped my sexual interests a lot, and I feel like a significant part of me wanting a more feminine build is to be what I consider to be hot/attractive and to be able to live out some of those fantasies
>If I did take HRT etc, I wouldn't try to pass as a woman, I'd just present as a feminine guy

I want to talk to trans friends of mine, communities, or therapists about it to get their opinion and to open up in general but I'm worried talking about the second last bullet point there will make them think I'm a degenerate fetishist (or even worse, that it will make my friends etc think that I fetishize them)

>>44683913
regardless as to how "actually" you are, it's probably going to get worse as you get older, and the desire probably isn't going to go away

>>44683969
I mean it has, in the sense that 10-15 years ago I just wanted HRT to look like a femboy and then most of the stuff in the first greentext block gradually happened in the time since after that

But i'm already kinda old now and I'm not sure it's worth doing anything about at this point

>>44683913
nona we've been over this you should just do it

>>44682872
>>44683125
it's literally just wish fulfillment it isn't that deep

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>>44681423
or maybe there was a reason why gender bender stories appealed to you so much, anon

>>44684209
It still doesn't feel good to know that it was the trigger for it all. I am deeply ashamed of myself and my desire. I really used to pray the shit that happened to ranma and these other characters would happen to me like every night

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>>44684242
It's not like there was much else around to expose you to the concept of changing gender.
Also, you shouldn't be ashamed of enjoying kino.

>>44684121
"it" being what, HRT or talking to other people about my identity?

>>44681423
Cis men find the prospect of turning into a woman exciting but frightening and would not want to be like this for long

They consider these stories body horror and the protagonists a sort of trans man

This is how I view these stories, which makes ME the real faketranny because I want my women to have always been women. Of course, trans women were never men

>>44684434
hrt obviously

>>44681423
It's OK to be AGP

>>44684600
I'm still doing research, there's some stuff I need to figure out first as far as medical effects and how to handle certain things

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>>44681423
false.
you can't get addicted to something that is trash in every possible way.

>>44681423
picrel isnt even genderbender thats an actual tranny manga
anyways im obsessed with genderbender manga too we should be friends :3c

>>44685616
>pictel isnt even genderbender thats an actual tranny manga
Not OP, but it literally isn't though?

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>>44681423
if you're taking hrt you're a real tranny, dont worry.
what makes people trans is TRANSitioning,
not wishing to be girl.

>>44685616
>>44686104
Oh ffs, 90% of gender bended stuff is made by repressors die repressers, and the rest is inspired by the 90%.

It's all trans all the way down.

>>44686133
I may be taking hrt but I feel guilty about it to the point where I don't think I can start girlmoding or come out

So am I really transitioning or just performing damage control to prevent myself from becoming more masculine with age?

>>44686306
You are literally taking chemicals that modefy your biology, you are transitioning. Social transition is optional if you don't feel it's necessary for you personally.

>>44681459
>normal cis people who are exposed to gender bender/trans ideas at a young age dont wish they could turn into a girl at all
Source? Proof? Anything to back this up?

>>44686636
if they did they wouldn't be cis
this is called 'the argument from duh'

>>44686777
Yes, cis people are by definition not trans, that's why I made a good faith interpretation of what they meant instead of a literal interpretation as that wouldn't be saying anything