>I'm worried it's just a fetishIt's not.>I like all the other effects but I'm worried I'll dislike growing breastsYou won't.>I'll never pass or be happy with my appearance so why botherDo it anyway.Dysphorics are universally happier and healthier on HRT than not.Stop bullshitting yourself.
>>44769282i thought id dislike breast growth but when i actually started i began to love my tits. they got some shape and are actually sensitive now...get on hrt!
>>44769282Ok but I literally just do have a fetish though its AGP I feel fine almost every other time so why would I ruin my life, stop trying to convince others to do it
>>44770567agp isn't a paraphilia, it's just normal autosexuality. calling it the cause of dysphoria is backwards
>>44770597Again yeah I have had to deal with agp for a long time now that comes and goes and for 90% of my daily life im a normal guy with an occasional lingering thought of wanting to be a woman that I get off to sexually and when im done the feelings go away so its hardly real dysphoria
>>44770620>blatant john 50 logic
>>44770639Idk what that means
>>44770641>the only other form of temporary relief came from masturbating, often up to five times a day.
>>44770597you have no idea whether agp is actually a cause or a symptom of dysphoria or if it's just a different thing entirely, you are just asserting what you believe. this is the kind of pointless unverifiable psychobabble that drives questioning and trans people insane because it will never produce an actual answer.if anon says he is content as a man who indulges in agp on occasion then who are you to argue otherwise
>>44770646Kind of true for me too but there is no real distress on my part from being a man at all, I get off on a fantasy frequently enough but that is how far it goes
>>44770682because he is not content. he is on the tranny board going woe is me I am not really trans so I shouldn't transition even though I have recurring thoughts of being a woman and would rather have been born one
>>44770706Its just a relapse I havent been on this board in months and it is really not woe is me I am trying to say that this is something that can be overcome and you dont need to take this route
>>44769282>>I'm worried it's just a fetish>It's not.It is, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing loool.t. rooned for the fetish
>>44770740lmao
>>44770789Its the truth though if anything going on here was a mistake I just felt like doing it again for whatever reason but mostly because I am a bored incel if things picked up and I get a gf ™ then all of this would go away too
>>44770597>>44770776wrong its possession
>>44770818alright. prove me wrong. turn your life around and get a gf. I'd bet good money it doesn't go away.anyway I gotta sleep gn pogchamps
>>44770833Going to continue resisting forever btw
>>44770853enjoy
>>44770852Gn man and I will try! I hope it goes away
i take hrt just to see what it does because i plan on kms anyways
>>44770818>get a gf ™ then all of this would go away tookek, no.>>44770833meh, whatever.one (wo)man's posession is another (wo)man's fun.
>>44770908Well yeah it probably will go away even if it doesnt I can deal with it without larping as a woman
>>44770925yes (by taking hrt)
>>44770952That is not a solution to it lol im going to be a man forever and im more than fine with it if anything im more likely to take steroids than hrt
>>44769282I like my body and breasts, yet I keep stopping HRT for whatever reason
>>44769282what if I just take finastride and bica sometimes
>>44770979ishygddt
>>44771141Why?
>>44771135you need to stop doing that>>44771139not enough in the long term I'm afraid>>44771151cause it's retarded
>>44771170The only retarded aspect of it are the health defects which is a valid concern but I am more likely to take that than estrogen
>>44771135>
>>44771182no it's retarded because you are making everything worse for nothing
>>44771211This is the second time you posted this to me and I still don't really understand what it means besides the fact that I'm here too much
>>44771135>I make my existence irreversibly worse for literally no reason often and without careI will never understand your type
>>44771256Is this pro or anti HRT? I also do not understand myself and it's severely impacted my life
>>44771270stay on the hrt
>>44771270pro. stop fucking yourself up
>>44771247What am I making worse? Im not going to be a woman
>>44769282But what if I'm not trans and just have OCD.
>>44769282this is retarded. i have dysphoria about my boobs. die pinkpillers. you dont know how anyone feels except yourself.
>>44771335Pinkpillers love to convince reppers to troon out only to immediately backstab them afterwards.
>>44771288your body. there is no benefit to neglecting it.
>>44771346goomba fallacy
>>44770646so you think john 50 was trans? john 50 was an agp gooner who people use to scare agps into transitioning
>>44771358john 50 is the definitive example of how agp gooning is caused by unresolved repression
>>44771353I've seen how people talk about nonpassing lateshits and I don't want to be another peice of mockery.
>>44771406being a piece of mockery is better than being in hell
>>44771433Not when you're a chronic coward with avpd.
>>44771248Oh the 'jak in the picture is a jannie.It's cuz nuddity is not allowed in here.And moderation sucks ass.
>>44769282i induced dysphoria in myself to alleviate my male guilt, never had it as a child or even a young adult, i am fake and do not deserve hrt
>>44771506even then
>>44772153I self psyoped myself into developing dysphoria for absolutely zero reason.
>>44772153>I have male guilt so I will remain male
Take the fucking HRT. No one cares it's fake
>>44769282>Dysphorics are universally happier and healthier on HRT than not.I see enough pooners day-to-day to know I would not be happier or healthier on HRT.
I don't like the idea of losing my ability to have children but the idea of becoming more and more masculine is bleak and my life hasn't moved in a meaningful way in the last 4 years, do you guys think I should do it even if I'm 30? I still twink pass but I'm becoming more dysphoric bc of ageing, I just feel like I'm faking if I try to act more feminine but I've never felt like I fit in with anyone and always wished I could be cuter / not be seen and percieved
>>44774967wdym>>44774968yes>I still twink passYES
>>44769282I like all the effects except testicular atrophy. If my balls shrink even a little my life will be ruined and ill despise my body permanently
>>44774968it's unlikely you'll lose your ability to have children (should you stop hrt) anytime soon. not 0% but much lower than people act. personally the idea of aging male is what finally pushed me over the edge, shit is horrible
>>44774987They’re disgusting, and the thought of being a fat, cystic-acne-ridden, frog-voiced, waddling, cane-using, hairy thing like that is worse than whatever mild dysphoria I have (mostly just a fetish). I know most of it is probably them being helpless and not knowing how to shave/diet/shower/exercise, but it’s still too revolting to risk. I’ll just crossdress and gymmaxx, it’s fine.
>>44775072also sperm banking is a thingif thats really what's holding you back this is a solvable problem
>>44775092>fatfixable>cystic acne riddenmitigated by estrogen>frog-voicedfixable>waddling???>cane-usingpoonercore>hairyfixableyou're just making shit up. are you this desperate to harm yourself?
>>44771295depends if it's actually ocd lol. there've been people saying they have tocd but they're just trans and people saying they have tocd and they actually are cis so idk what to make of that
>>44775226yeah I wanna sperm bank maybe I should just start taking hrt and schedule sperm bank appointments at the same time...
>>44769282Trvth. I was terrified of growing tits but now I actually want them. The only wrinkle is the dick function but playing with it every couple days seems to keep it functioning.
>>44775438start working on getting hrt now but probably dont start it until after sperm bank, its gonna be obnoxious if you have to stop and wait if your balls stop working before banking
>>44774910men are shit. men are the cause of all evil in the world. all the rape, all the terror, all the violence, all the shame, all the stupidity, all the waste, its all our fault. my being in the same room as a woman is tantamount to raping her. growing extruded sausage tits and calling myself tracy doesnt do anything to rectify the harm i've done in the almost 30 years as a man i've lived previously. the best thing i could do for the world is kill myself but i'm too much of a coward so i'm just going to be a neet for as long as i can and hopefully die of a stroke or heart attack any day now
>>44770567Way I see it, abnormal paraphilias come from trauma, sensations, attachment, or a combination of all three. If you are "AGP" it means you probably fear or were made to see transitioning as ugly or evil, and sexualized the idea or fantasies of transitioning to cope.Frankly even if you think you just have a fetish you should still start HRT.
>>44775345>people saying they have tocd but they're just trans and people saying they have tocd and they actually are cisI alternate between both of these people. I am unable to tell if I'm actually trans or cis although I'm leaning towards the latter option just based on past patterns. I know it's a retarded topic to become fixated on but the uncertainty over having to make life decisions is paralyzing.
>>44776191what scares you more, growing old as a woman or growing old as a man? don't overthink it, just think purely about the physical changes to your body
>>44775850setting aside the fact that you are completely retarded and wrong, by your own logic all the harm in human history has been done by testosteronized people. why do you want to remain testosteronized if so? you can just hrtrep and everything will be better according to your own framework
>>44776780i do not deserve to be better. i can never make right the harm i have cause and will continue to cause and that was caused by my "brethren". i need to kill myself as soon as possible
>>44776785what have you actually done though. what made you start thinking like this? men can suck, yeah, and be hormonal and shit but most of the guys I know are upstanding people who wouldn't hurt a fly
>>44769282Taking hrt made me more miserable. It was in fact just a fetish and that fetish went away
>>44770567even with the infinitesimal possibility that it really is a fetish for you and that thought isn't just you being a turborepper... who gives a fuck? people do weirder shit for fetishistic reasons all the time. Compared to dudes who cut off a leg and shit, taking some chemicals that give you tiddies and softer skin is nothin'. Take the plunge. The worst-case scenario is your jack-off sessions get a lot better.
>>44770740"relapsing" into not hiding your true self kek0% of the cis male population talks like this
>>44775092wait I assumed you were mtf like a retardare you? if you are you're retarded. if you aren't>fatfixable/completely avoidable>cystic acne riddenonly at first>frog-voicedonly at first>waddling???>cane-usingnot necessarily, but they do often have a legitimate need to because the kind of endocrinological fuckery that gives you dysphoria has comorbidities. shocker. anyway if you don't need one now you won't need one later>hairyjust shave?? get laser if you really want. seriously it won't be that big of a deal
>>44775850Women can be just as cruel, selfish and tyrannical as men. Men can be just as kind, altruistic and empathetic as women. It seems so me like your 'male guilt' is just an expression of dysphoria. How else could you be this compulsively dumb?
>>44777449women wouldnt have to be those things if it wasnt for men making them "harden up" to deal with the horrible world theyve madeits true that men can be those things, all the ones like that in my life died when i was a teen
>>44777473>no one would have to be those things if it wasnt for other people making them "harden up" to deal with the horrible world theyve madeftfy. this is not a gendered thing. women just haven't had as many chances to be horrible retarded leaders as men have. they are horrible people interpersonally just as often as men, just often do it in different ways
>>44770833
>>44776764Growing old is just generally undesirable, I remember when I was a kid I'd daydream about getting a terminal illness so I wouldn't have to grow old or have to rope myself. Male aging in general seems worse just due to the baldness and body hair.
>>44778628then take estrogen
>>44769282True. All true. I should have done it the first chance I got.
>>44778709Okay and then what, live as an uncanny looking man with tits for the rest of my life what's the endgame strategy here?
>>44779789ffs and passing ig but the main point right now is to prevent further damage
>>44779823Passing is just not an option for me the damage has already been done, even if I got the best ffs I still wouldn't pass.
>>44779837it'd still be better
>>44779789>>44779837nta but the "uncanny" you're afraid of does not come from estrogen alone.and the tits you're afraid of also don't come from estrogen alone (90% of estrogen users get very modest chest growth).yet looking younger than your age does come from estrogen alone>endgmeAge in a less than brutal manner. It's a very modest goal for a very modest tech. HRT isn't magic, lol.
I thought this, then trooned out, started manmoding and guess what, nothing changed, I never malefailed, no one has noticed anything different about me. I'm still tall and manly, my face is very masculine and I just look like a man, there is no and will never be any relief. FFS is a pipe dream which will never happen. I will always be stuck like this and nothing will ever change. I should've just killed myself instead of doing this
>>44779875I guess I still think I don't deserve to transition and can find a way to overcome this.>>44779946There really is no point then?
>>44779976I mean it depends, you're probably not as masculine/tall as I am so it could really work well for you. Otherwise, if you're can be happy not passing or something like that and you're fine enough with just not masculinizing more it could also work for you
>>44780003The idea of an incomplete transition is horrifying, passing would be the most important metric for me. As for how masculine I am, I'm 5'11 with wide shoulders and a massive moid skull.
>>44779596if you're not +30, fucking do it
>>44770833you people are never going to be happy until you learn to love and care for your succubus. the torment only stops when she's well fed and content
>>44780040It was and still is for me, I'm taller than you, but anyway. I think you should decide for yourself, I got probably one of the worst outcomes of all, I don't think this happens to many
