I think this rhetoric does more harm than good. A lot of "regular people" who are generally allies may see the conflation of anti-trans policies with the subject of genocide, especially while actual bullets-and-bombs-and-ethnic-cleansing genocide is happening right now, as an absurd overstatement of an otherwise very real problem. Second, the embracing of this idea & rhetoric whips trans people into a maximalist frenzy, believing that it is literally life or death if the next Democrat elected in a competitive seat is 100% painstakingly pro-trans on every possible topic or not, leading to single issue voter-ism, and further frustating people who should be trans people's allies, because while they are trying to pragmatically fight for trans people, the trans community are freaking out calling them "genocide enablers" and trying to encourage Democrats to throw the election when one of the SCOTUS judges is like 900 years old.
>>44779848Trannies got Trump elected at least once and I'm confident they'll manage to put a Republican in office once more.Until the left kicks all the trannies out they are going to have a huge self inflicted electoral wound.
>>44779848genocide is when people die
>will stancil
>>44779848true it makes tranners look like hysteric loonies (fembrained tho)
>>44779848it actually is genocide though. on a physical level if I can't transition I will literally die. >you aren't being killedyea if all white people weren't allowed air anymore it wouldn't be killing white people they would just be dieing in their ownshut the fuck up retard thats what you sound like
>>44779848erin is right though, don't let dems think the path forward is to go more to the right. it isn't, and we are seeing a recipe for success when politicians actually go left. bernie and AOC are literally the 2 mouse popular dem politicians, ahead of kamala who is literally the type of person who will through trannies under the bus instantly if it meant she could have power
>>44779848They wouldn't be leftists without infighting and letting perfect be the enemy of good.
>>44780516this is why no one takes trannies seriously
>>44779848Trannies are retards who can only keep crying wolf 24/7
>>44779848>identitiy politics gets republicans back in powerits 2016...overwatch is out tomorrow, titanfall 2 looks better than the last one...
>>44779848>if the next Democrat elected in a competitive seat is 100% painstakingly pro-trans on every possible topic or not"noo how dare you enforce standards on your party!! it needs to be in power, not have such a pesky thing as actual beliefs or policies, we need da seatz!!"
>>44779848The democrats should drop troons entirely. Unless every single democrat loudly professes the most maximalist trans policies imaginable, troons will openly advocate against them. Let's say there are two candidates:Candidate A says "Trannies are an abomination and must be exterminated!"Candidate B says "I am generally supportive of trans rights but I'm not sure if it's fair to let them play in women's sports."In this scenario, troons will openly advocate for candidate A to win, so that candidate B will be "taught a lesson."
>>44779848"Trans genocide" is a product of the same westoid crackkker entitlement and lack of resilience that makes chuds think they're getting genocided when they get outcompeted in the labor market.
>>44780546>kamala who is literally the type of person who will through trannies under the bus instantly if it meant she could have powerHer refusal to do that gave Trump an opening to run the ad campaign that boosted his share of the vote by 2.7% and put him over the top.
>>44781743believing in magical gender identity that makes you a woman is basically a religious position
I know this might come to a fucking shock to trannies, this election will have very minimal to almost nothing to do with them.Trump is gonna lose, not because of trannies, but because he lied about all of his promises and started a war with Iran that should more or less be called a World War at this point. You trannies are like 1-5% of the population. Alot of us don't really think that much of you honestly. I voted and got elected a tranny mayor of my town btw. Not because of their tranny status, but because they are a Democrat.
Refusing medication and treatment for trans people and blocking their access to self care is a sort of “genocide” either troons accept the impending masculinization or feminization, cut their reproductive bits to pieces or kill themselves. While it may not be bullets and ditches the goal is the same, make them disappear.
>>44779848> falling for the stancil meme
>>44781969>accept the impending masculinization or feminizationBeing ugly (or "ugly") isn't a death sentence.
>>44783648I think a project focused on eradicating critical healthcare, equitable access to public life, functional economic opportunity, and cultural identity may in fact be eradicatory in nature.Like the thought leaders of the movement do very explicitly call for eradication.
>>44780516>on a physical level if I can't transition I will literally die.I hate trannies so fucking much.
>>44781658it was isreal that killed kamala you actual tard
>>44779848No, Democrats need to know that if they abandon marginalized groups then they will lose. Democrats who abandon marginalized groups or actively scapegoat them are no better than Republicans.
>The United Nations defines genocide in Article II of the 1948 Genocide Convention as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.removal of our hormones would be the intent to destroy the group, as trannies would no longer exist>b-but you arent a religious, national, ethnic or racial gro-its an old ass 1948 UN definitionargument over and we havent even got into cultural genocide or intentionally causing suicide>>44779859>PLEASE PLEASE STOP DEFENDING TRANNIES JUST LET THEM DIEno.
>>44785170The guy who wrote this definition even came out and said that it applies to trans people as well.
>>44785170So if states passed laws banning fursuits in public spaces would you say that's furry genocide?
>>44785221please refer to the second greentext in the postgender is pretty universally recognized as a protected group or something that should be a protected group and if the term were made today (see >>44785186) it would include gender
>>44785221Being trans is not the same thing as wearing a fur suit you stupid fucking piece of shit. Keep yourself safe.
>>44785244Careful sister no need to antagonize yet another group
>>44785252The anon rationalizing trans genocide is antagonizing himself. You're speaking to a loaded gun and I will always fire. It's just my nature.
>>44779848Do you care about the D next to their name, or the platforms they support? Because if you vote for someone corrupt or against your interests just because they say they're a Democrat, then you are a stooge.
>>44779848>electoral politicsnobody cares, post bob
>>44785262Questioning whether "trans genocide" is the most productive way to describe and discuss systemic discrimination against trans people is not the same thing as "rationalizing trans genocide"
>>44785276History and even current events show us that genocidal regimes thrive on uncertainty. You have to call their actions out directly for what they are. If you pussy-foot around, then you are only covering for people who want to do evil things.
>>44779848I'm a 1 issue voted, I don't give a flying fuck if right or left wins as long as they are pro trans if neither of them are I'm sitting on my ass and eating ice cream
>>44785145>>44781598>Let's say there are two candidates:>Candidate A says "Trannies are an abomination and must be exterminated!">Candidate B says "I am generally supportive of trans rights but I'm not sure if it's fair to let them play in women's sports.">In this scenario, troons will openly advocate for candidate A to win, so that candidate B will be "taught a lesson."
>>44785752>I am generally supportive of trans rightslmao
>>44785170>removal of our hormones would be the intent to destroy the group, as trannies would no longer existBut I thought trans folx have existed throughout all of history, long before HRT?
>>44785759They did, but they received orchis. So to deny that or to criminalize it would also be problematic.
>>44785761They also generally drank various herbal concoctions or horse piss to try to get the same estrogenic effects.
>>44785776That was not a widespread practice, unlike ye olde knifey knife.
>>44785782The horse piss wasn't but drinking random herbal shit was VERY widespread and generally wasn't the same stuff between regions or cults. Keep in mind that most trannies back in the day worked in a religious contexts, priestesses and the like, and secret potions and shit was something very normalized for religious officials in polytheistic religions.
>>44785792Yeah but herbal concoctions were just as useless then as they are today. Removing the testes however was a foolproof way of getting rid of test, and everyone knew its effects since farmers were subjecting animals to it.
>>44783687yeah that's why you support stuff that would make them die
>>44785759>But I thought trans folx have existed throughout all of history, long before HRT?They did, they suffered and died in painful ways, the same way other people with conditions died without medical treatment.
well maybe if you stopped letting the dumbest voices speak loudly for this community, we wouldn't have this problem. was watching jubilee's recent surrounded with the black trans woman and absolutely lost it when they spoke so ignorantly. they could not sufficiently argue a point.
>>44785752Yeah, I'm not voting for someone who throws marginalized groups under the bus. I have moral values.I'm done with this bullshit. You don't get to hold the GOP over my head demanding that we give in and vote for you regardless of whether you scapegoat minorities or not. I'm not doing it.You want to win? Then fucking stand up for marginalized groups.
>>44786248it's literally what the hasanabi gang did. they refused to vote for kamala over the israel situation. so next time you see them and they blow smoke up your ass, just remember. they threw us under the bus. you know why democrats don't want hasan in the democratic party? because he threw them under the bus in a pivotal election year. punishing your own party doesn't breed trust. it fosters resentment. that's why the party is split. some want to bend the knee to the hasan pikers. others think bending the knee to them is dishonorable as they're unfaithful. that's like getting back with an ex that beats you.
>>44786225>Crossdressers in the 1700s prove trannies existed>Trannies all killed themselves before HRT came alongchoose one lane only
>>44786248nooo you have to vote for mossadcockgobbler1 or otherwise you're literally just giving your vote to mossadcockgobbler2!! democracy is FINISHED (for real this time (i know we said that last time too just trust pls)) if mossadcockgobbler2 gets into office! no i won't codify roe vs wade stop asking
>>44786258>that's like getting back with an ex that beats you.What an ironic statement! I would turn that right back on you and say that supporting a party that throws you under the bus makes you the one going back to an abusive ex.Today we aren't doing normal politics. We have a political party that scapegoats minority groups for political gain. The opposition Needs to stand against that. If they won't even do that, then they aren't an opposition party.
>>44786258hi im a time traveler from 2020 or 2016 and who is this hasan fellow did bernie sanders get a name change??
>>44786273>>supporting a party that throws you under the bushow did the democrats throw trans people under the bus when obama gave us health care with the aca?how did the democrats throw us under the bus when kamala was in support of trans surgeries?when the trump campaign was kamala is for they/them, it speaks more to the transphobia of the average citizen that people like hasan threw us under the bus over israel.the reason you retards aren't winning on the public stage is because you don't know how to construct arguments in the face of your opposition. you can't defend trans women in women's sports because you're like the trans person on jubilee. you're gunna argue physiology when the argument needs to be about equity. so when dems can't answer the question on trans women in sports, it's because main stream representation is so ignorant that they forgot the point of the leagues in the first place. equity.so no. it's not dems throwing trans people under the bus arbitrarily. it's as much trans people throwing themselves under the bus because the modern trans movement has lost the plot. you people lost us sp much because you don't know how to construct proper arguments. in the defense of trans surgeries they couldn't make the the argument that providing a double masectomy to a male with gyno is to alleviate psychological distress in the same manner providing top surgery to an ftm alleviates their psychological distress. i watched the procedings. they tried to argue my body my choice when the argument needed to be grounded medicine.tell me. why should trans women be allowed to play in women's sports? i'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed. i'm saying people like you hold the community back because you're too retarded to construct a compelling argument for their inclusion. saying oh well they're t is supressed so it's ok misses the point the entirely.
>>44786258hasan voted for kamala (on stream) and told his viewers to vote democrats - he just refused to say he endorsed kamala which is what you are seething about and what you think cost you the election. it didn't. democrats running a mentally retarded 80 something year old, when it was obvious to everyone except you that he was mentally retarded, and then swapping him for the charisma blackhole kamala after the mental retard got on the debate stage and drooled for an hour while Trump hurled insults at him, is what cost you the election.
>>44786306I'm not talking about 2024. I voted for Kamala. I'm talking about today, 2026 and beyond. The Democratic party and their operatives in the media have gone to great lengths to convince the base that they have to throw trans people under the bus in order to win. So yeah I'm not a Democrat anymore and they will have to win me back if they want me. I will evaluate individual candidates and decide from there. The Democrats aren't guaranteed my vote just because they're non-Republicans.>the reason you retards aren't winning on the public stage is because you don't know how to construct arguments in the face of your oppositionThat's ironic coming from someone who thinks that equity arguments will win over transphobes. We will only win this debate by educating people on why trans women are women and trans men are men. That's the only way to do it.Also your arguments in this very comment are not even consistent. Here's the bottom line, there's one reason and one reason only why trans people are valid and need to be stood up for: Because transitioning is a process of changing your sex. It's as simple as that. You make that argument convincingly, then you win - But even our modern day allies will not try to do that. They engage in nonsensical semantic games instead, which actually open an avenue of attack by our enemies designed to invalidate us. It's not gonna work.
>>44786321because dementia don's mental health is so much better than bidens? the problem was never biden's mental health. the problem was always people like you that couldn't have blind faith in him in the same way that maga had blind faith in dementia don. you people threw biden out for no reason. it was supposed to be biden round 2. biden dies to prostate cancer. we get our first female president with vp kamala. that's what it was supposed to be. when they tested the waters with the audible it was apparent the people weren't ready for a madam president.
>>44786345>>We will only win this debate by educating people on why trans women are women and trans men are men.try telling a racist that a black person is white and see how well that goes over. you fundamentally don't understand their psychology.
>>44786402>try telling a racist that a black person is whiteYou think there's any comparison between these two issues? This is what we call a "bruh moment"
>>44786402no one cares about convincing chuds to not be chuds they are a large population but still a minority in the US. The reason dems lost in 2024 was the went to the right in an attempt to court chuds, this made them unpopular with EVERYONE. you are never going to convince a racist he's wrong by debating him and you are retarded for trying. there is no meeting of the minds possible with animals. leftists could focus on victory not reconciliation with evil people. that's why chuds have won so hard, because they just lied and cheated and did propoganda and corruption until they won. power is all that matters, not debating chuds in the marketplace of ideas.
>>44786390yes trump's mental state is better than biden's is. you can cope and seethe about it and read endlessly stories of random psychologists saying cofveve drumpfs brain is melting out of his ears in MSNBC but thats not going to convince anyone except you retards. ass cancering kamala, the single worst performing candidate from the 2020 primary, into power is a retarded strategy cooked up by retards and guess what? it didn't fucking work. instead of saying 'hmm maybe the leadership of the democrats are a bunch of fucking retards that should be thrown into a volcano' you've decided all is well and good and if bugspray the turkroach commie we will get our 1000 year democrat reich. your gonna get pete the cocksucker with a CIA obama clone vp banning troons from sports for 4 years before the republicans come back with mecha hitler
Erin is right. If the democrats just become the Republicans of 10 years ago then why should anyone vote for them? Teach them a fucking lesson. You can already see them slightly warming up to progressives after Kamala's huge loss. No sense in voting when both candidates want you to have no rights.
>>44786426ya i do actually. i think the push to end racially segregated spaces exemplifies the point that people of privelege will pushback when they feel their priveleges are being revoked. why would you end racially segregated spaces like restrooms? because capitalism pushes for it. what do i mean? when building an establishment, like say a restaurant, is it cheaper to have four bathrooms or two? two. obviously. but white folk thought they were too good to piss and shit with black folk so we saw a huge uproar. same principle. people of privelege feel their priveleges are being revoked. in the case of trans sports, who is the privelege group? women. why? because the entire reason we have women's league is to be equitable to them. we put the pussy on a pedastool. it's not women can't play in the nba. it's that women on average are so much worse than the men that we had to give them their own league so that we could celebrate a minority that would otherwise be unrepresented. so women are upset because they no longer feel they're being celebrated exclusively in a league that was built solely to build their self-esteem. they're still losers. they can't compete with lebron. i don't care how dirty they play.
>>44786506so why vote at all when both are equally authoritarian? neither is going to stop the installation of flock cameras
>>44786544Some candidates actually are running on anti flock camera positions. Hell my own district in Seattle, the candidate I voted for in the primary is against them. If you live in most of the country then you may be out of luck. But there's often a green party or longshot progressive to vote for. You could also, yknow, run your own campaign if you truly care.
>>44786544progressives are parasitizing the dem establishment using primaries to oust the pro isreal conservative dems out of powermaybe I'm just lucky because I live in NYC and got to vote for mamdani but there are based candidates out there and the more they win the more we get.
>>44786483if the democratic establishment has fallen then why do you cling to their coattails? why brand themselves as the democratic socialist of american instead of the just the american socialist party?
>>44786571nta but they didn't say that in their post and it hasn't fallen? dems still have tons of real power
>>44786585so you acknowledge the progressives are trying to usurp said power from the democratic establishment?if their ideas were really as great as ypu guys think they are, why do they need the backing of democrat money?do you want to be free of israeli influence? joining the dems is the same as joining the republicans with regards to israel.
>>44786597like I said new to this thread but yes progressives are trying to usurp power. its not about usurping money though but usurping their voter base. mamdani would not have won if he was running as an independent and any honest political analyst would agree with that. he was largely funded not by capital but by crowdfunding. this is the new model to steal back government from lobbyists, corporatists and foreign governments who have occupied the US. There are still a large number of left leaning people who unquestioningly support Isreal, so on that particular issue even radicals must temper their language through things like couching criticism of isreal as "the netrnyahu regime". most voters are basically animals who live in bubbles, the idea that 80% of isrealis are farther to the political right than most MAGA types is something their brains aren't even capable of processing yet. The US is probably genuinely dieing, mostly due to foreign ownership and unchecked corporate power, but that decline to a 'normal' country can still be managed well. The UK is a great example of what not managing your decline looks like, in how far the cost of living has risen since brexit and the general collapse of infrastructure and living standards since chuds really cemented their power.
>>44785134Even with that Trump still got pushed over the top by "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you".
>>44785268what does that mean when Republicans are running Manchurian Candidates as Dems in your county?
>>44779848It's funny that nobody claimed "Homosexual Genocide" when conservatives resisted gay marriage.I think trannies are just more likely to be a little crazy. That's why arguing or talking to them is so much more difficult.
>>44779848It makes you look insane since mtfs get murdered at lower rates than cis men and even then its by people they know. Genocide without death just sounds silly.
>>44787255People claimed and still do claim gay genicide because gays died from hiv.
>>44787297>"officer, this tranny was shot and killed from behind">"Shaddup, rookie, mark his death down as an overdose."
>>44787255what?? people absolutely claimed gay genocide
>>44787150you are a retard if you think woke tards didn't vote for kamala over that. it was full stop isreal, leaked internal analysis the dems tried to bury confirmed it.
