Am i trans if i would possibly take MTF hrt purely just for the effects or whatever rather than most typical troon reasons? Lower sex drive, smoother skin, (especially for face, but i dont wanna look like a weird guy with weird smooth skin with a male face or though.) intensified emotions maybe better mood, less anxiety and potentially way less social anxiety and being able to actually be myself better I guess? happiness? idk i can already do that somewhat obviously. and just basically just the mental effects sound nice and being less of a moid seems reasonable effects to take hrt for but obviously and i would like I dont want to just castrate myself because of the jews or whatever. Overall it just seems like a nice think to go on for me for some reasons that don't really point towards me being trans, more or so just looking at the objective benefits for me and such. I still don't know if I'm actually trans or just reaping some sort of benefits? unresolved problems/i can do all of this without hrt? what do you guys think? just sorta lost and confused here. i think of all of this as some sort of nice experimental thing right now, and if i turn out to like it alot ill continue doing it but right now its obv not as concrete.
nice thing**fuck my esl
most of those ARE the "typical reasons". if you don't have gender dysphoria you're not trans though, no.
>>44790179> if you don't have gender dysphoria you're not trans though, no.i have "gender" "dysphoria" but what even is that? i don't know what it is really and i don't know if it is intrinsic or artificial or made up or fake or something, and many things can be misattributed to "gender" "dysphoria"i dont know if im a faketranny or truetranny i dont quite fit into either, idk. im still confused
this coul also be some sort of escapism on my end toobasically my upbringing and environment could have contributed to me wanting this and thinking this way and such rather than this being all purely intrinsic.
do whatever you want. you don't need the trans label, and if you don't know what gender dysphoria is (which I guess you seem not to, for some reason?) then maybe do some research. in the end it doesn't matter.
>>44790271ehh okay thats fine i guess. i have terminal tocd ocd and rogd so now i just cannot get shit done as of right now because i still need a bajillion reasons and a bajillion questions and a bajillion answers which, i obviously cannot reliably do or get that done.what should i do research on or look at?
i dont even think i have real dysphoria it all coul stem from sort of agamp or agp which is fake moid evil and bad.. yes i believe on blanchardism sorta but im talking about the arousal pattern and what eventually results from it. i was not early onset (afaik)
somebody tell me im a disgusting artifical faketranny already because i know i probably am now
>>44790324>what should i do research on or look at?why not start by googling the definition of gender dysphoria? just learning what it is would probably help.>>44790342"AGP" and "AGAMP" are not inherently bad
>>44790524>"AGP" and "AGAMP" are not inherently badit is if it escalates into this nonsense.
>>44790552I mean, OP is clearly pretty young. half of this bullshit is just probably stemming from not having figured out their place in life and stuff
>>44790584this
>>44790584well what should i do now
It generally only improves your mood if you are a girl. amab cissies and enbies I know who tried it have told me of this experience, they describe it fucking up their mood really bad like how T did for me when puberty hit. Wheras for girls it has the opposite effect.This is all in such cases that it has a big distinct quickly noticeable effect on the mood, it was like that for me but sometimes other people are like 'idk' about that.
>>44790945>amab cissieswell thinking of it now im probably going to end up as one tb.h maybe hrt wont do all of that and i just made it the fuck up because im a retard
i think i may have somewhat genuinely self psyopped myself, and im a self-hating androphilic. im might be just cis with a bad case of agp and agamp. ill read about dysphoria later
do you want to grow into a muscular chadyes or no
>>44790103>Am i trans if i would possibly take MTF hrt purely just for the effects or whatever rather than most typical troon reasons?this is the ONLY "valid" kind of dysphoria (sex dysphoria)the rest is all made up social bullshit in response to our physical sex traits, do what you want, but take your fucking HRT, retard
>>44792459maybe i dont know how that would feel or look>>44792513woul but i dont have money
im back and i feel like all of this is just pure agp now or atleast some sort of convoluted agampnothing else about it i think. its not like if i dont take hrt i will die i guess it would be fine if i got on hrt but i still dont know if i really should.
take your pills -> you like the results -> continue to take your pillsORtake your pills -> yuo hate the results -> stopThat's it. These are your options.Now that you know they exist, the questioning won't stop until you find your individual answer.Whether you're "tru" or not is marginal bullshit from people with way too much time on their hands.Same with the labels. Nobody gives a shit if you are or "identify as" a amab enby/troon/enby troon/agp/agamp/meta-attracted or any of these increasingly convoluted terms. Life's too short for any of these things to truly matter.Bank sperm if fertility is such a big concern and give it a try for a year or so. That will answer a lot more of your questions than wasting time online 'researching' these things.
>>44792633THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT IS TO TRY RETARD STOP POSTING AND GET UR ANSWER ALREADY
>>44792695i think this is dumbi dont even really want to take e anymore>>44792735okay fine jesus but i still dont have money for it and i dont know how to go through with it. do i do planned parenthood or something?
>>44791234agp and agamp are not conditions that exist independently of dysphoria
>>44792769so what does this mean
>>44792633Feels that way to me too. Ive thought abt transition long enough that I started anyway cuz i felt like i was going nowhere in life. Still in the middle of it all but i think i deluded myself into transitioning rather that actually wanting it, and now i treat HRT as an anti-anxiety med cuz it gets rid of the stress from the narrative that im trans and avoiding it.If you start becoming obsessed, get off this site and stay away from trans adjacent stuff if you can. Keep yourself well regulated. If the thoughts stay away while you are happy, congrats you won. If you find yourself returning, maybe you're trans.
>>44792751planned parenthood will probably underdose you. diy is cheaper anyway
>>44792823>If the thoughts stay away while you are happy, congrats you won. If you find yourself returning, maybe you're trans.ive been posting about myself and lurking almost non-stop for a pretty good amount of time now, maybe 3 months, idk, i still do not believe i am transgender however
>>44792805if you have 'agp' that just means you want to change your sex
>>44792839and i think its rogd and tocd influenced by other things that dont make me a tranny
>>44792849rogd isn't a thing
>>44792863then what am i experiencing? it seems real to me maybe i just brainwashed myself or became a retard out of nowhere idkit could just be ocd and trauma as well along a myriad of other things, once again, that don't point towards me being trans/transgenderi still also dont know my place in the world or whatever and im still young like >>44790584 said
>>44792881 (me)i also still wasnt early onset or anything like that it and everything began after puberty i think
I'm just a stupid fucking retard
>>44792893I started getting it at 17. if I detrooned I'd kms. everyone's experience is different
you can just try hrt and see if you like itand then if you like it you can keep doing it, or if you don't, you can stop, or if you're still pretty neutral about it, it's up to you from there, you'll start growing boobs and stuff and probably be visibly trans/gnc sooner or later if you stay on it, which is a thing to consider.i mostly tried it for a while and i do like some of the effects, lately i went up to 4mg from my 2mg hondose and my pp quit working and i got more noticeable boobs, so i might go back down to 2mg or quit and see if i can compare my feelings-inventory when i'm T primary again.it can be a thing you figure out after some process and exploration, that's okay. but best to do said exploration instead of running yourself in circles thinking about it.
>>44792921>but best to do said exploration instead of running yourself in circles thinking about it.fair enough i felt like i was getting closer to an answer earlier todaystill pretty neutral about it idk>I started getting it at 17.how did that work out for you
how do i explore properly? i have to keep running in circles it seems i cant just explore, either i dont know how or i already have and know how will it go or im sort of a pussy idk
>>44792953try hrt, try presenting fem in public, find safe spaces to ask for she/her or he/him pronouns instead of your current ones, talk to a counselor or therapist who's informed about gender issues, make more friends with more women/men and talk with/learn about/hopefully-empathize-with what it's like to be one, do psychedelics (risky, would recommend in-combination-with the rest), read literature, get off 4chan, etc
i still doubt myself alot of the time, i think this is just possibly temporary/manageable and just think this is going too/could be going far or something. but whatever i guess
>>44792970have a counselor and i alr told him about my agp at the end of a session im just waiting now
>>44792974it's not an easy thing to chew on/think through, but you'll get there.make sure your counselor has experience with queer/gender issues, a lot of them can be woefully uninformed about this kind of thing. but that's a great start! figuring out your identity is like a whole process, really, there's lots of helpful/healthy stuff to do, and even if you do some unhealthy stuff along the way, actually going through the process of figuring out is ultimately good for you.also try to cut back on the porn, probably, if you've got issues with what the board refers to as 'the agp thing'
Still wasn't early-onset btw so this could still just be absolute pure agp or non actual early-onset gender identity issues and what-not. i wasnt even dysphoric until like 8 months ago idkits fine ill figure this out in no time anyway
>>44792751>i think this is dumbthere's nothing dumb in trial and error anon. It's how humans learn anything.
