What do you trannies think about Blanchy, was he right all along?
yes totally
fraud
I think he's single-handedly responsible for the biggest psychological nuke to online trannies ever and ill never forgive myself for allowing his meme to enter my psyche and poison it with his retarded pseudoscience
>>44857851Why?
>>44857859he literally defines his methodology in the og "papers" and how he screens out anyone he doesn't think vibes with the hypothesis to cherrypick for his "data"
he thinks trans women are gay men and so do I so I love him
>I think he's single-handedly responsible for the biggest psychological nuke to online trannies ever and ill never forgive myself for allowing his meme to enter my psyche and poison it with his retarded pseudoscience
>>44857855Was it really that bad? I mostly just find the topic interesting.
>>44857915it's low quality tripe that has permanently polluted tranny discourse forever
>>44857941now you know how gays feel about trannies>erm no im not gay im a woman and my boyfriend is straight
>>44857945my existence is a little bit less preventable than the proliferation of low quality sex studies
>>44857840having a bisexual trans experience and living as a feminine-presenting trans woman I always felt like the whole agp thing was complete bogus but whenever I see gigahon fetishists (usually men pretending to be lesbians (and here I am not talking about genuine trans lesbians)) it became obvious that agp is actually real but it applies to cis menat the end of the day, Bryon Noem is literally the exact definition of agp and he's a cis man, it's just too obvious when you look at a certain person pretending to be trans and you see it, and to be fair fake-trans agpoids is actually mega rare, I'm not talking about just any non-passing trans woman
>>44857956if we got rid of gender roles, we could prevent 100% of trannies
>>44857982even pretending that could happen, and thinking trans people would disappear if it did, is ridiculously naive and almost not even worth entertaining
>>44857993god imagine how free gays would be if trans people all disappearedthe sheer joy of never being told again that a woman was a gay man or a gay man was now ex-gay through castration
>>44858007you'd still be batching endlessly about something so don't waste your mental energy
>>44857993Gender abolitionism always struck me as a meme.
>>44857958>fake-trans agpoids is actually mega rareThis could be me. Ask me anything
>>44857840I think he was mostly right. Everyone sees the two main groups, its impossible to miss on this board. He just had an explanation for why, and it probably describes most trans women. Is he perfect? No, he and Bailey didn't believe in true Bi people but now even Bailey has a study finding its real. So there are probably other sub-types or people who are a bit of both or weird cases.
>>44857840Three parts good, seven parts bad. A lot of the claims- like autog. not existing in cis women, likewise overlooking of trans men, HSTS having no autog., underestimating the number of bisexual trans women, punting every non-classical trans woman category into AGP by multiplying newly proposed subtypes and mental states, as some examples- aged poorly. However, the basic idea that there are (often) some unique factors of sexuality in trans women- although maybe not a completely new sexual orientation tbf- and that a lot of non-classical trans women can't be said to be transvestites in a simplistic sense of older categorizations but have deeper roots in personality-identity, is still good.
>>44858243>autogynephilia in cis womenI never understood this argument. lets say some AGP is 'normal' in cis women, then why dont HSTS's have it? I think Bailey had a recent study where they measured it and crossdresser men had massively higher levels of AGP than cis women or 'typical' men, which were low and comparable. I'll give that the crossdressing/TV men group is not synonymous with lesbian/bi trans women, but theres definitely a spectrum.
>>44858422Nta but I don't get it either, I think some cis women genuinely are agp but the majority are not.
>>44858422>then why dont HSTS's have it? As I said, they do, independent empirical data contradicts the supposed absence.I did also mention that there is some unique component of sexuality, although still probably not enough to declare a new standalone sexual orientation or similar, >>44858464That depends on what you mean by "are AGP". In the original framework, this doesn't make sense, only natal males can be AGP. This is why I am using it to distinguish it from every instance of autog. sexuality, since it doesn't seem to be the case that these two are the same. Then, we have to redefine it- we could say being AGP means autog. is an important part of your sexuality. I would agree that this does not describe most cis women, but the AGP theory is neither this claim, nor this conservative in its proposed scope.
>>44858751I'm supposedly HSTS and I don't experience AGP. I've never gotten turned on by wearing womens clothing and I can't relate to the transbians I meet in person or online. All the talk of euphoria boners is bizarre to me.
>>44858784AGP goes beyond just crossdressing, it includes almost everything that can be described as an embodiment fantasy.
>>44858854I think you would have to be really specific in how you are defining AGP then, because there is a clear difference between the embodiment fantasies of someone like Bryon Noem and a typical cis woman or straight trans woman.
>>44858784I'm AGP and can't say I relate with most of that stuff either.>>44858854Yeah I never had any interest in crossdressing, my AGP is purely anatomic and physiologic.
I have like 45 mb of his papers on my hard drive so I'll get back to you when I can finally be bothered to read them
>>44858751>only natal males have are agp because agp is defined as something only natal males can havegreat
the concept of agp isn't wrong but the extent to which it's emphasized is silly. like sex is this carnal physiological thing that draws the mind's attention toward the body, of course it'd be influenced a lot by and be a big indicator how mind-sex congruent you are
>>44858905I'm not trying to be mean or anything, just genuinely curious, are you a fairly feminine person personality wise, or when you were little? Most of the lesbian trans women I've met in person or talked to online seemed pretty masculine in their interests and personalities. Maybe its a lesbian thing but it seemed moreso than the cis lesbians or straight trans women that I know. I always have a harder time relating with them.Regardless of whether the cause is HSTS or AGP, I feel like the two clusters contrapoints talked about are fairly good stereotypes of most trans women I've met. Why are they so different if the underlying cause of being trans is supposed to be similar?
>>44857840They either agree, misunderstand him, or cope.
>>44860961I'm not a trans lesbian if anything I'd describe myself as effectively asexual or bisexual. Growing up I wasn't really masculine or feminine, people who knew me from back then described me as 'having the personality of a wet tissue paper' whatever that means. Really the most consistent thing about my personality that has remained the same throughout my life has been my chronic avoidance towards everything and everyone. Imagine an overly sensitive kid who has trouble socializing and wants to blend in and remain unnoticed, that was me growing up. Nowadays I'm probably fairly masculine personality wise moreso than when I was as a kid.
>>44861080I see. I'm assuming you are >>44858905or similar? If so, is the anatomic AGP like, arousal from having your body be curvy and having breasts and a vagina? Or something like that?For me, that never did anything for me, and honestly being too curvy would freak me out. I always just wanted to remain feminine or at least androgynous and not masculinize more. I definitely wanted to look female, but never in a super sexy way. I was always small and wanted to stay that way. I got SRS mostly out of convenience and to make straight sex more normal and easier, but honestly vaginas are a bit weird and gross me out a little.The most you could say is close to anything remotely AGP would be my sexual thoughts were always having receptive sex with men, but it wasn't necessarily with me as a woman, I was always just kind of a fuzzy person.
>>44857840He correctly identified AGP as a phenomenon but wrongfully attributed it to "fake transness" and invented HSTS to explain away why the trannies that wanted to fuck him were "better." Whether he did so out of malice or ignorance is hard to say
>>44861178I don't think he felt that way at all. He fought for the rights of AGPs to transition and has said that in some ways they are more trans than HSTSs. Also Blanchard is most likely a gay man. He probably got into this research to understand his own sexuality better (this was in like the 70s and 80s). As someone who fits into the HSTS category, he got a lot of things right, and the simplifcation that HSTSs transition only to have sex with gay men is not what Blanchard said, and hes explicitly disavowed this in recent tweets.I think you are mixing him up with J Michael Bailey, who is a chaser creep.
>>44861301sorry to clarify- as I am someone who mostly fits in the HSTS category, Blanchard got a lot right about the motivations and feelings I had. I think the traditional narrative of HSTSs having a more feminized brain (which is something that happens partially in all gay men, hence the male attraction) and changing their body and social relationships to fit that is a pretty good explanation. Its not "oh they are gay and trying to trick straight men"
>>44861121>is the anatomic AGP like, arousal from having your body be curvy and having breasts and a vagina?Yes, gynephilia but inverted onto the self. I have an idealized version of femininity in my head and I've always had the desire to embody it. Idk how airtight Blanchard's research actually was but the term autogynephilia appeals to me and is a good descriptor imo. >I always just wanted to remain feminine or at least androgynous and not masculinize more.Pretty much the same reason I tried hrt, as damage control and I wish I had started back when it actually may have made a difference. I've mostly given up on the prospect of transitioning at this point, I'm too tall and even with all the surgeries in the world my body is permanently damaged from male puberty.
>>44861301jesus, to have sex with straight men. sorry my coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
>>44861320Interesting. I was always jealous of the things girls got to do and how they were allowed to act. I wanted to make friendship bracelets with my friends, and wear my hair long and be pretty, and get to wear more fun clothes and not have to act like a boy. That was a huge part of my dysphoria.
>>44857840Modern neuroscience research has thoroughly debunked Blanchard's pseudoscience. Being transgender has a neurological etiology. It corresponds to a pattern of brain structure abnormalities in the parts of the brain that mediate the relationship between the mind, the self, and the external world. The severity of those abnormalities corresponds to the severity of reported gender dysphoria. This neurology of mismatch is the same in all trans people regardless of direction of gender mismatch. Cross sex HRT neurologically treats these abnormalities, causing the brains of those trans people to become more like those of cis people, and the degree of abnormality reduction with HRT correlates very well ton self reported reductions in dysphoria. Blanchard was a charlatan who used the cover of science to pathologies trans people and do immeasurable harm to the trans community, harm that continues to this very day.
>>44861568This. It gives the impression of an inside joke that newcomers actually took seriously. It's like having a conversation about neurology and endocrinology and a phrenologist joins in like they have anything of value to say. Also his clinic turned away 90% of patients and he's close friends with conversion therapists like ken zucker.
>>44861609Op here and I'm aware of all that I just resonate with the term 'autogynephilia'.
>>44861568Has it? There were two recent brain scan studies published around 2015 that found straight trans women have more female-like brains and bi/lesbian trans women have more male-typical or autism type brains.I don't get the attempts to tear down Blanchard, he was very supportive of both HSTS and AGP trans women and pushed for their ability to transition.
>>44862796The studies you are referring too were not looking at the right areas of the brain. Historically, a lot of research has tried to find evidence for "brain gender' in cis vs trans people, but that's just showing the *consequences* of hormone exposure, not looking for the part of the brain that causes a trans person to experience gender incongruence in the first place. More modern research has instead looked at parts of the default mode network and salience network involved in own body perception and shown that trans men and trans women share the same pattern of abnormalities in this region that correspond to degree of gender dysphoria self reported by trans people.
>>44862920interesting. I'd like to read it if you have a link or the paper title.
