>>44862173
Dentists not being covered is a thing almost everywhere and since always.

>>44862173
you can ban trannies and make the healthcare system better you know. the woke labour government is doing nothing about healthcare.

>>44862187
Getting in lifelong debt to own the trannys, but its ok because somewhere, in another country, someone else is suffering

Amazing

>>44862189
>you can ban trannies and make the healthcare system better you know

No you fucking cant, you far left retard. You can only ever talk about trannys. Thats it. You better shut your mouth.

No dentistry for you.

>>44862198
>Getting in lifelong debt to own the trannys,
We are seeing a big populist push back though out the world against transgenderism. The ones pushing the neoliberal woke agenda who are pushing for austerity are the same ones pushing trannyism among the population. Trannyism is inherently a product of corporate world.

>>44862227
>who are pushing for austerity
So Trump and DOGE were pushing trannyism?
>Trannyism is inherently a product of corporate world.
trans stuff has been around for decades in east asia and nobody cared

>>44862227
How does this help you find a dentist

>>44862256
>So Trump and DOGE were pushing trannyism?

Yea. The far right has long since turned on Trump. We are now seeing a populist alliance, with Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon sharing stage to oppose AI

>trans stuff has been around for decades in east asia and nobody cared
lol east asia is highly patriarchal society and you will literally suicide if you try to transition as a male as you are expected to have a family.

>>44862269
>How does this help you find a dentist
you will only find a dentist once Labour is removed and the populists take power and make healthcare free and ban transgenderism and DEI

I actually support making transgenderism a mental illness and throwing all trannies into mental institutions. We would remove so much poverty and homelessness right there.

>>44862227
how are you this out of touch with reality

>>44862321
under the ICD-10 classification, “transsexualism” and “gender identity disorder” were both mental illnesses and this remained in UK until jan 1. 2022.

>>44862355
yeah the information was updated as we learned new things. that's how it works

>>44862365
>yeah the information was updated as we learned new things. that's how it works
Here's the difference:
Unlike racial, ethnic, sexuality, etc. differences between humans, none of them involve denying biological realities. The idea a big muscular bodybuilder guy can put on a whig and lip stick and nails and dress and play in women's sports is completely denying reality of biological sex differences.

>>44862399
I don't think you know enough about biology to even make that claim
I get the impression you just think trannies are icky and weird and are working backwards from that

>>44862399
>sexuality

>putting your penis in ones anus isn't denial of biological reality of reproduction and your organs' purpose

>>44862429
if a bodybuilder muscular guy puts on a whig and says they are a women and compete in women's bodybuilding, that would be allowed under your system.

>>44862453
gay, lesbian and bisexual people don't need copious amount of drugs and surgeries to "correct" what mother nature gave them.

trannyism only exists among humans, because we think we know better than mother nature.

>>44862480
"mother nature" is a construct of humans, and ill defined. I don't see why I should care.
gender segregated sports are outdated and don't make much sense anyway because of the extreme variation and overlap between sexes. replacing this with weight and performance classes would make the most sense to me.

>>44862198
>zero correlation

>>44862315
Terfs are mentally ill, its actually a mental illness to obsess over a group like this

>>44862522
Yea, the government that destroys healthcare and then turns the population against trans people are very innocent.

You saving up to buy a house? Hows that going?

>>44862504
Let's take a look at the weight difference between Mr. and Ms. Olympia bodybuilder champions of 2025.....

>50 lb difference

......you are literally regulating women to the back of the bus.

>44862480
>if

More made up nonsense. If a meteorite fell on your head, how much better would the world improve

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>>44862545
opps forgot my image.

women are overwhelming smaller than men.

>>44862545
>literally regulating women

Is that why terf groups are funded by far right Christians that want to appeal abortion and no fault divorce

>>44862545
wdym by back of the bus? there's nothing wrong with being in a smaller weight class. this would solve a lot of problems I think

>>44862504
The weight and performance classes will end up overlapping with natal sex classes anyway.

>>44862593
>no longer the Ms. or Mr. Olympia
>now we have the 220 and 180 weight class Olympia winners
>95% of them are won by AMAB

>>44862189
>we can do both
>does neither

>>44862568
Far right Christians have no reason to fund feminists. Are you retarded?

>>44862611
does that matter?

>>44862631
>does that matter
it's part of the greater trans-humanist agenda to destroy humanity.

>>44862645
what? lol

>>44862650
>>44862650
destroying gender and sex differences in humans is first step towards AI replacing us as biological entities.

Trannyism is a torjan horse of the anti-Christ AI.

>>44862631
No. And that is why having men's and women's sports as it is now is fine since it is basically the same thing already!

>>44862626
>Far right Christians have no reason to fund feminists. Are you retarded?
Feminism simply means equality between male and women. Nothing in that says a women has to support murdering their unborn child. But feminism is opposed by the gender abolitionists

>>44862681
ok I think you're a little out of it
>>44862692
it's not fine though, it's causing problems and everyone is yelling about it all the time. I don't see the problem with the hypothetical new system. if it's functionally similar to the old one but makes everyone able to play the sport isn't that good?

>>44862741
>I don't see the problem with the hypothetical new system. if it's functionally similar to the old one but makes everyone able to play the sport isn't that good?
Everyone can already play sports, in their biological sex. Nothing is preventing you from that. You want special accommodations for your delusions.

>>44862762
>delusions
ok so you just don't like trannies or don't think they're real or something. why don't you cut out all the fake arguments and skip to that so the conversation can end before it begins.

>>44862715
I don't understand in what way this is a response to what I said.
But anyway, gender abolitionism IS terfism. And gender abolitionism and feminism goes against Christianity (not because of abortion, but because it goes against the hierarchy). So that is why Christians have no reason to fund neither feminism nor "terfs".

>>44862803
>ok so you just don't like trannies
when did I say that? all I'm telling you is biology is reality and in the sport of bodybuilding, a male will always be stronger than a female. fact. having a bunch of drag queens in whigs and make up doesn't change the fact they AMAB.

>>44862830
you can't call trannies delusional drag queens and expect to get a real response. maybe talk to some trans people irl or something. idk where you got those ideas but it's too far out of reality to even address

>>44862853
nothing in there is lying I hate them. I want them not to be delusional anymore. Once they accept they are drag queens, I will stop. I will not affair a denial of reality.

>44862894
You're a repper

>>44862480
>if a bodybuilder muscular guy puts on a whig and says they are a women and compete in women's bodybuilding, that would be allowed under your system.
a 1 or 2 year hrt requirement, verified by blood tests in the same way as we screen for any other PED, is the obviously correct policy
trans women athletes on hrt perform within the range of cis female athletes, as demonstrated by the fact that multiple sports have allowed trans women to compete under those terms and no trans woman has set a world record in any of them.

>>44862894
if you knew what gender dysphoria even is you’d realize they don’t suffer the definition of delusion. It’s because of their active recognition of reality that they’re in a body that does not align with their gender identity, that inflicts distress.

If they were actually delusional then they wouldn’t go as far as to take hormones or even dress up; they would’ve just deluded themselves into believeing they already look like some arbitrary gender icon for their identity. Maybe learn the definitions at a bare minimum instead of coming off as some underaged b&

>>44863170
>verified by blood tests in the same way as we screen for any other PED,

>screening for PEDs
>in bodybuilding
There is no longer any bodybuilders....

>>44863255
>It’s because of their active recognition of reality that they’re in a body that does not align with their gender identity, that inflicts distress.
It's delusional to think you can change this. Biological reality is reality.

>>44863279
if you're not screening for PEDs, that's causing far more harm to the athletes than letting trans people compete would
that shit kills people

>>44863297
>if you're not screening for PEDs, that's causing far more harm to the athletes than letting trans people compete would

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. A man in women's bikini would absolutely dominate all women on stage by far. Even if you got them on the hormones and everything, men are just biologically bigger than women.

What is stopping me from right now going up on stage in a bikini and competing as a female bodybuilder? Nothing, since I can self-ID whatever my gender is now.

>that shit kills people
Normie detected. As long as you take your blood work and use healthy cycles. you are good.

>>44863296
You know what people identical to you use to say?
>it’s delusional to perform heart surgery!
>it’s delusional to treat diseases with fungi (penicillin)
>it’s delusional to treat diabetes
Your willful ignorance of how clearly phenotypes can change just through HRT is an exposure to how not just close minded but also how actively denying reality you are. Technology only IMPROVES with time, even if it’s not a 100% change of one sex to another, it’s “delusional” to deny there any changes happening.

At some point you have to self reflect and realize you won’t ever settle in a reality where you can change sex; you will always seek to move the goalposts to fit your desired world view. You are the very definition of irrational and most importantly
>delusional

>>44863335
when did I say you can't change your sex? I'm saying society shouldn't have to recognize it legally.

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>>44863353
>when did i say this?
here >>44862830
>”doesn’t change the fact that they’re male”
>>44863353
>society shouldn’t have to recognize it legally
Goalpost moving fallacy. But yes society should recognize it legally as to afford the same treatment as the cis group the trans person identifies with.

>>44863393
alot of documents opposing gender ideology will use "sex change" within it, even while acknowledging it isn't actually a sex change.

>Goalpost moving fallacy. But yes society should recognize it legally as to afford the same treatment as the cis group the trans person identifies with.

if you want your private business you work for want to recognize your gender fine, but government shouldn't have to make special accommodations for those who were assigned male or female at birth.

our policy is
>legal adults can choose to socially transition or not
>government should only recognize biological two sexes
>society, not government, chooses whether to recognize trannies as their social transition or not.

>>44863332
>and use healthy cycles
it's not possible to maintain this norm in a competitive environment without enforcement. if it's possible to trade off health for success, people will do so, and those people will win more, and that will lead to them dictating the norms for the entire scene.

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This thread is about Britain's shitty dental care and you dumb girls still let a terf/chud bait you into the entirely irrelevant trans sports argument and away from the topic.

>>44863425
>documents opposing gender ideology
Scientifically found or partisan? How many can you link? If you’re so inclined i’ll happily share a plethora of resources if you so subscribe to scientific reality and not just what a political side states.

>governments shouldn’t have tor recognize the changed gender
Incorrect. They should recognize it. It affords fair treatment and protections such as prison sentences, government jobs where gender is of import, military expectations, and medical. It’s not “special” accommodation any different than accommodating black women as women in the same aspect. There is no sound argument thus far against this.

>>44863489
Lol you have to laugh at it.

I reckon its a glowie, they look defending the shithole uk

>>44863255
It is delusional to think that your body is wrong. Because it cannot be. It is what it always was, and what it is supposed to be. It is delusional to work against your natural limitations instead of embracing them and improving in things you are naturally better at. It is not unlike blinding yourself.

>>44863494
>prison sentences,

biological men should not be in women's prisons. This is just common sense.

> government jobs where gender is of import,

Which jobs?

>military expectations,

Oh so you are looking to get out of the draft? Too bad. We are gonna force you back into your biological sex and back on the front lines. You aren't getting out simply because you put on a dress.

>and medical.

There is nothing prohibiting you from using your private healthcare insurance from engaging in whatever kinds of transgender surgeries or drugs or whatever you do. Tax payers shouldn't have to pay a cent for it.

>. It’s not “special” accommodation any different than accommodating black women as women in the same aspect. There is no sound argument thus far against this.

It is. It's something cis people don't get, but for some reason you can.

>>44863645
>Because it cannot be.
Yeah okay sure, how about one little thing called cancer

>>44863332
>What is stopping me from right now going up on stage in a bikini and competing as a female bodybuilder?
gl doing that lmao

>>44863702
If it's illegal to discrimination on the basis of gender identity, what is stopping it?

>>44863658
If your bad genes or awful lifestyle gave you cancer, then you shouldn't work around it ether with medication. You should try to fix it by losing weight or being more active or breathing better air. If it doesn't work, then you have lost natural selection. That's life. We are in this mess because we choose to adapt to the weak instead of aiming for a world where weakness doesn't exist.
And I'm in his mess too, through no fault of my own, just because people's hearts are too soft. A failure. I should not have been forced to be born like this and I should have been killed, but instead people allowed my weakness to survive and now I'm too scared to die.

>>44863726
>you shouldn't work around [cancer] ether with medication
Take note everyone, this is the person you are arguing with.

>>44863741
At least I'm consistent.

>>44862173
dentistry on the NHS has gone the same way as gender care on the NHS: it might exist on paper but in practice the service does not exist.

fun fact, there are zero NHS dentists accepting new patients in my country, or in any other county that borders it.

getting rid of mentally ill mutation cultists trying to tell everyone how to think is worth it

>>44862173
bad teeth are British culture, so if anything they are returning to tradition

>>44865689
Why do Brits love ugliness and hate beauty

>>44862173
>300 pounds
>Needed a loan

Holy fuck, how actually poor are britfags? I spent like 400 USD casually over the past few days and didn't even think that much about it.

>>44862173
trvke

>>44866576
Everyone is poor in the UK except the thin layer at the top that live in nice areas. Everywhere is deprived, everywhere is filthy.

>>44862815

But they do fund TERFs because TERFs aren’t actually useful to the goals of feminism in any way, you’re just useful idiots that Christofascists can use to get people more complacent with the idea of the state regulating people’s gender. Serious feminists are able to recognize this and despise full time anti trans activists hiding under the feminism label for this very reason. Treating outdated feminist theory as dogma to claim that a tiny fraction of the population are somehow an immediately more pressing threat to women’s rights than the powerful men seeking to ban abortion, eliminate women’s sports, get women out of education and leadership roles and so on would be laughable in a sane world. No matter how laughable you think trans people’s claims about gender are, the idea that trans women are a bigger immediate threat to cis women than rightoids is infinitely more laughable, yet TERFs are claiming that these same rightoids cracking down on trans people as part of their larger goal to build legal and social frameworks to restrict women, something that they have openly admitted is the plan many times, is actually a victory for feminism.

You can come up with all the theoretical BS you want to try to argue that right wing Christians would never fund or platform TERFs, it is an objective fact that they do, so assuming you aren’t a fed, it would probably be in your best interest to accept that your logic simply doesn’t align with reality and update it accordingly hon

>>44862173
Dentistry is free and immediately accessible. Just not for native Brits lol

>>44868184
Actual TERFs view rightoids as just as big of an enemy as trans people. Some women might call themselves TERFs and team up with rightoids, but they usually turn out to not be even radical feminists, just anti trans feminists. So I feel like they shouldn't be called TERFs as their underlying philosophy is much much different from actual TERFism, since it permits agreement with the most gender-uncritical group other than trans, which real TERFism shouldn't permit. Calling feminist women who don't see righoids as just as big ig not bigger htreat to women as transgender ideology TERFs like saying that Nazis were leftists.

>>44869020
>transgender ideology

No such thing

>>44862558
Body building isn’t a sport, it’s drag shows for straight people

>>44869771
>Body building isn’t a sport, i
it is

and women should be allowed to compete without men.

>>44869715
There is such a thing. What makes you think otherwise?

>>44869790
There are only trans people.

Its what the nazis said, "we dont hate Jews, we hate Judaism". Same with outright saying they just hate trans people, seems poor taste, so they have a smokescreen.

Its like saying cancerism, or diabetesism. Its insane

>>44870677
Okay, but you can be a transitioner without believing in transgenderism. TERFs don't like you because you insist that you can change sex classes and because you enforce sex stereotypes. Rightoids enforce sex stereotypes too, although they are more strict with it by believing that no one can cross them to the other side. TERFs are threatened by you since they see you as a stepping stone to sex stereotypes becoming more ingrained.
So it is like hating Jews that want to make everyone a Jew, not like hating them in general.

>>44870798
>believing in transgenderism

Again, this is total nonsense. Its a conservative word used to justify hating trans people

>>44870798
stfu retard go back to your main board

>>44870816
How else do I word it so that it would not have this connotation? "sex-change-believers"?

>>44871863
You lack the discipline to understand you are wrong