>>44868538
>this is a win for us women! yas queens!
>man has a dozen kids with dozen different robots
>empowered women queens: noooo stop it you are tech-raping that tech-vagina and you're giving me neglect anxiety! police-daddy, government-daddy, please arrest them!
lmao we all know this is the future.

>>44868538
Kojima predicted it

>>44868538
Women are only tolerated by society because they are valuable in a reproductive sense. If they think they are going to be free when they no longer have any value they are going to be sorely disappointed. Ask most men on this board if they feel good having no value.

>>44868538
>>44868546
>>44868561

i mean it mainly is a win for women. nothing will really change for men but women will get to skip the excruciating pain and discomfort of pregnancy/birth since when a couple will want a baby they'll just get the woman's egg and the guy's sperm, do ivf and plop the thing into an incubator

>>44868561
When artificial womb tech is perfected I am officially making the Global Foid Genocide Movement.
Take a gander at how successful it is gonna be.

why does the pregnancybot have cosmetic mechaboobs, humanlike skin in random places, hair and zero opacity to the womb that's the most impractical design they could've possibly come up with

>>44868565
You already have wombs and yet don’t want to raise children or marry other women you fat fuck

>>44868565
im not sure you thought that all the way through
>Nothing will really change for men
except that women wouldnt be a nesessary component of reproduction. any man who wants a kid can have one if they have whatever the ammount of money is for an incubator bot
>but women will get to skip the excruciating pain and discomfort of pregnancy/birth
with the abundance of birth control and abortion available you can already do that, and if you mean you want a kid you can adopt, and if you wanted your own kid you can maybe do surrogacy? idk, i guess for women who want their own kids but dont want pregnancy it makes some difference, but...
since when a couple will want a baby they'll just get the woman's egg and the guy's sperm
why do we assume there's a couple at this stage? i think the assumption by people who post this stuff is not that they'll have MORE kids with their GFs, its that they'll have kids WITHOUT GFs. im sure you could get a sperm sample and do the same thing, but in this case their expectation is that you'd be single for it

honestly im gay so i dont have a dog in this fight, but i've got to admit every day i thank god i dont have to play the straight dating game. it's so bad like 60% of the straight guys i know are single, and pretty much every single one has a STEM Degree and stable income. they have the material and stability for a kid and relationship, but either cant satisfy a woman or cant find one that satisfies them? either way its pretty fucking grim.

>>44868705
i don't get why that would make people stop dating each other desu. men aren't a necessary component of reproduction right now since sperm banks and ivf exist and yet it's very rare for a woman to have a kid without being in a relationship. the inverse wouldn't change anything either probably

>>44868769
well that's the funny thing i think. it's not that men are getting tonnes of dates but dont like any of the girls they're seeing, it's that they're not getting dates at all. It seems that women are disproportionately opting out of dating by a large margin, leaving a lot of men who want relationships unable to find any due to a lack of supply. Certainly it's rare for a woman to have a kid outside of a relationship, but considering the imbalance, and woman who wanted a man could have her pick of them since she has less competition. i;ve seen articles (granted they may not be true) claiming only 30% of women under 30 actually like being around men in general, while about 70% of men like women. if that's true there ought to be more than two men on the market for every woman looking to date. So if we take the incubator and apply those numbers to it, roughly half of all men theoretically available to start a family would be getting incubators rather than girlfriends even if they'd prefer a woman, purely by nesessesity

if we accept OP's premise that getting and maintaining a girlfriend is somewhat of a chore, risk or liability (and true or not there's definitely a perception of it), then how many of the men who CAN get girlfriends will chose not to for convenience?

if it's 50% then that leaves 75% of available men choosing incubators, and reduces the number of high-tier men available to women by half. that leaves women at about a 1:1 ratio with the available men, significantly increasing competition and lowering the average quality of men available. Given that these days the average man is actually less educated and lower earning than the average woman, i think the dynamics would shift quite a bit

Why the hell would I want to raise a kid alone?

Is anyone remembering what happens after magic baby cauldron gives you one?

>>44868930
but men aren't dating women just to have biological kids with them, if that was the case they'd all just pay for a surrogate which is much less of a hassle. why would half of all men lose interest in dating just because having a kid alone would become slightly cheaper and they'd only have to pay for a woman's eggs and an incubator instead of a surrogate

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>>44868561
A society where all people are equally worthless without achieving value sounds better than a society half born with intrinsic value, and half without it.

>>44868584
The final design is probably just going to be a stationary egg-shaped incubation chamber.

>>44868956
Not most men, apparently. They have dodged the responsibility of parenthood for so long that they literally don't even think about what raising a child entails.

>>44868984
i dont know, surrogacy is a far future problem for me if ever. I dont know how it works or what the supply is like. authough cells can already be reverted to stem cells and redifferentiated into any other type, so even under modern tech you dont need a WOMAN's eggs nesessarily. you could clone yourself or like, buy mike tyson's eggs if you really wanted to. i dont really know how lonely straight guys feel since im neither, but i dont think it's a purely financial motive. personally im glad there's no expectation of gender roles in my relationships. noone is expected to buy meals or always top or perform any other function of masculinity, the sex drives match, we match physically if we want to compete or play sports or anything... its absolutely great. if there are 2:1 men to women, and 2:1 men wanting to be topped to dominant women, i would need to beat out three other straight guys just to get ANY woman im sexually compatible with, not even one i share hobbies with or am sexually attracted to.

if i told you your odds of ever finding ANY guy who can make you cum was 1/4, how long would you spend rolling those dice before you just threw in the towel and paid for spermbot?

>>44869100
Do you know how hard it is to find a guy who can make a woman cum? That's why vibrators are so popular.

>>44868956
>>44869087
yeah if this happened there would be lots of neglected children dying. I guess the men would want their robo-wife to raise the children, too.

>>44870656
>only gets pump and dumped by chad

>>44869087
Women statistically do not want to raise children nor are they good at it. Where do you even get this statistic from, TikTok?

>>44869100
>if there are 2:1 men to women, and 2:1 men wanting to be topped to dominant women
Lad, the ratio of sub men to dom women is like... 50:1

(Not because there are lots of sub men but because dom women are incredibly rare)

Men’s entire social value comes from having sex with attractive women but not from the act itself but from the process of obtaining them. This is especially trye for the value they obtain from other men. Having a robobaby will just get you put in the same box as a guy who fucks hookers.

>>44868538
Read Dworkin. After artificial wombs, moid will do a femicide.

>>44871132
That’s entirely a survival mechanism that comes from women, down to humiliating gay men. You people’s knowledge on biology is very surface level

>>44868538
For women who believe that being freed of their breeding cattle status forced on them by patriarchy means the end of their oppression, it's a perceived win.

For women who believe that no longer having a monopoly on their breeding cattle status means that patriarchy will instead discard them as a whole, it's a perceived loss.

Frankly, I can see both ends of the equation.

If women are no longer expected to carry the burden of pregnancy, then logically, they would, no longer be oppressed for refusing to carry that burden. However, for women who cannot be pregnant (infertile women, old women, trans women, etc.) are treated even worse under patriarchy than the class of "woman who can be pregnant," largely because they cannot perform their "designated function."

If the "designated function" is no longer designated thanks to a broken monopoly, would the attitudes around punishing those who cannot or choose not to perform it still exist? How long would that take?

The anxieties that some women have that a broken monopoly means women losing their bargaining power is real. However, a broken monopoly also means women are able to forge stronger identities that are no longer tied to said monopoly.

I think the more patriarchal a woman is, and the more she benefits from the tokens it dispenses to it's favored cattle, the more likely she would feel this anxiety.

>>44871164
Firestone offers an alternative hypothesis. After artificial wombs (and other forms of transhumanism): male/female distinction will cease to exist and patriarchy will wither away.

It all depends on how much you think material conditions surrounding reproduction cause misogyny vs misogyny causing those material conditions. L

>>44871452
Women have never ran a society on their own without big daddy government
Women will just die off, they lack libido and special interests and everything that makes a human being a human. Faggotry will be the norm

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>>44871473
>Women have never ran a society on their own without big daddy government
extremely odd statement
of course women have never run a society on their own. you could as well say that men have never run a society on their own without relying on the labor of oppressed women. when you're an obligate sexually reproducing species it's impossible for either sex to be autonomous for more than one generation.
it's all beside firestone's point anyway, which is that reproductive technology erodes the basis of the sex distinction. if you have access to IVG and artificial incubation, there aren't really males or females anymore, just people who like cosplaying roles historically associated with males or females.

>>44871547
The only “labor” women have given is the labor they go into KEK
>basis of sex distinction
Trannies literally do not breed and still need the desire to identify as a female and vice versa
There will always be sex distinction because the culture says so and both sexes gain an advantage by normalizing roles for the other sex
Men and women are so far different from eachother it’s genuinely laughable how clueless you people are pertaining to biology. A black man and white man are more similar than a white man and white woman

>>44871473
Have men ever run a society without women doing all of the reproductive labor?

Reproductive labor not as in the labor of actually giving birth, but the labor of doing most of the prepwork in making sure the productive labor (paid labor) can be done. Raising children, managing finances, etc.?

>>44871547
I would say that you would need to go a bit beyond readily available IVG/artificial incubation to truly delete the male/female sex dichotomy. It'd help, but you'd at least need to add readily available HRT access.

>>44871615
You mean the shit that science proves OVER and OVER that men are better at doing because women are emotional BPD spastics? Let’s not be hon science clowns here and delusionally believe that manual labor is less difficult than raising children and the elderly because no it fucking isn’t.

>>44871606
>The only “labor” women have given is the labor they go into KEK
why wouldn't that count?
>Trannies literally do not breed and still need the desire to identify as a female and vice versa
yeah, it's advanced cosplay, like i said. the trajectory of reproductive technology leads to everyone becoming more like trans people.
>>44871621
HRT helps and acts as an accelerant, but if you extrapolate the evolution of a species with access to IVG and artificial wombs out into the future, you're going to get weird things happening. the entire reproductive function being externalized will radically alter selective pressure.

>>44871547
what is the text you're referencing?

>>44871606
even if the basis for the binary is gone, I imagine sex categories would just multiply

>>44871705
>what is the text you're referencing?
the dialectic of sex
>even if the basis for the binary is gone, I imagine sex categories would just multiply
in the limit, this is indistinguishable from abolition. a world of eight billion genders looks much the same as a world with zero.

>>44871704
>act more like trans people
The act of fully converting to the other biological sex still won’t be possible for long after the invention of artificial wombs and women will be treated like male incels until that’s possible. Pooners are fucked because physical and intellectual value is less replacable than beauty
>why wouldn’t that count?
Because it can be replaced far earlier than the actual act of manual and intellectual labor. This so called “intrinsic value” isn’t real

>>44871654
Could you back that claim up with a source?
>>44871704
I mean it will, but I don't think it will actually reduce dimorphism. Instead I imagine people would pursue pairings with whoever they find most attractive, even if it's detrimental to health, and could actually cause more extreme dimorphism in the end.

HRT though? No need for millions of years of natural selection.

>>44871705
>sex categories will just multiply
Sex categories in what way exactly because gynophilia is the one true physical attraction in all humans that isn’t just a socially constructed fetish. Women are fucked if that’s taken from them

>>44871736
Honestly, humans have been able to manipulate the sex of other species via FOXL2 and FOXL3 gene therapy.

I know a mad scientist who is actually considering experimenting on herself so she can produce her own endogenous estrogen in significant amounts, but I recommended that she just do mice experiments for a research grant.

Something that people don't really think about is with artificial wombs it would create an even further stratification of classes and castes in humankind - it will look something like Replicants, with humans born to human women being considered "human" and humans born to artificial wombs being "soulless working machine".

>>44871740
https://ifstudies.org/blog/five-facts-about-todays-single-fathers

This foid doesn't get it huh?
it means we don't fucking need you anymore.
you're obsolete
Now we just need to develop drugs that make men gay and make them take it as children.

>>44871772
You don’t need to make men gay you just need to make surgery cheap. Watch all the repressors become transbians

>>44871762
So, just:
>men are less affected by misogyny
>men don't have careers affected by pregnancy
>since mothers are the default parent, single father cases automatically self-select for cases where the father is likely the better provider
Turns out when a field excludes a demographic, those of that demographic who manage to break into it prove to be exceptionally good at that field.
We see this phenomena elsewhere as well.

>>44871727
do you like to talk about this? I want to know more and you seem knowledgeable. are you like an accelerationist or

>>44871749
how on earth is gynophilia not a socially constructed fetish? women are fucked by definition

>>44871785
I think we should instead make HRT readily available and just have gigachad trans dudes and HSTS queens be the norm

>>44868769
This should be the end of the conversation, there simply aren’t that many men who would want to have kids without someone else to help care for them. Being a single parent isn’t an appealing prospect for most people.

>>44871761
It will be far easier for companies to just use robots lmao

>>44868705
>any man who wants a kid can have one if they have whatever the ammount of money is for an incubator bot

There are going to be so many raped children lmao. Epstein would have just been printing out kids instead.

>>44871812
There won’t be single parents since faggotry will be the norm. Also rich guys are far more likely to want kids compared to rich women.

>>44871830
It just means we can finally have parenting licenses

>>44871847
Pretty sure that's because of the pregnancy thing...

>>44871862
Epstein class wouldn't need one.

>>44871892
They’re the same class that cry about how they wish they were a stay at home wife rather than a corporate manager. They just want a dude that somehow manages to make more money than them. Let’s not act like women don’t have kids out of wedlock at the exact same rate as men

>>44868538
why is this on /lgbt/?

>>44871939
Because chuds come here to annoy/chase the trannies, and now there are chuds everywhere.

>>44871806
Research neoteny

>>44871981
Wouldn't this make pedophilia the one true orientation?

>>44872132
neoteny is retention of both juvenile and the pubescent sexual features humans are supposed to be attracted to

>>44868538
Lol.
As if men would leave behind their social life, to be stuck at home changing diapers.

>>44872217
So, what you are saying is that I am not a man? Good.
- trans woman who would be grateful to be a housewife

>>44872229
If you're willing to give up your life outside the home, for your kids, then yeah you're the most female tranny around.

>>44872217
Gen Z males don't have friends anon.

>>44868538
It'll solve abortion. Dont want a kid? Transplant it into a birth sac. Foid doesnt have to give birth or be pregnant and kid gets to live

>>44868930
>Given that these days the average man is actually less educated and lower earning than the average woman, i think the dynamics would shift quite a bit
Men contribute more to economy and the average woman takes more out of government than what she gives back in taxes.


Thoughever

>>44872280
Why wouldn't I? Young kids need a lot of care. I took care of my brother while my mom was at work since I was 3, and I don't want to put that kind of responsibility on my children if I ever get to have any. And ultimately, someone needs to raise them.

Of course, my only choices are to adopt, which has a huge waiting list and is probably not realistic, or marry a single father. And it would be pretty weird to specifically only date single fathers, lol.

Plus, if I am giving up all income at least until the children are school-aged, and then maybe going part-time, that means the guy I marry would need to be able to afford everything, which isn't really that likely these days.

But my job is kinda dead-end and not well-paying; it's not like I can save much. I'd be sacrificing freedom, I guess, but not much else.

>>44872632
Who takes care of all these unwanted kids then?

>>44872758
I am actually pro-legal-and-safe abortions, but if you choose not to have one and want to give the child up:

You know how I said ( >>44872690
) there is a really long waiting list for adopting a baby?

Well, if you just don't want the baby and don't mind finishing up the pregnancy, there's your answer. There is a line of potential parents who want a child or two and would be happy to take on the costs and challenges of raising one.

You know, just as an option for those who prefer it.

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>>44868538
The Femboy State can rise once foids are no longer absolutely necessary for reproduction.
>>44871811
this one gets it

>>44872844
I just don't think there would be nearly as many people looking to adopt if this tech was real though. Most people would just prefer to make their own kid even if it's only half theirs than take some random people's mistake.

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>>44868561
this is matriarchy talk
men do have value
men have always had value
men always will have value

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>>44871164
>Read Dworkin
tldr

>>44868538
This imaginary scenario is very funny to me because it is predicated on the robot being capable of actually raising the child for the bum father, and that the child wouldn't turn out to be the craziest motherfucker ever because they were raised by a machine running ChatGPT.

>>44869087
Sorry you grew up black

>>44873644
most kids today are being raised by ipads
a robot would probably be way better at raising kids than the average human parent

>>44871452
Not really true, Firestone specifically urges a society where artificial wombs are developed specifically on a feminist basis and coupled with genetic modification to make women physically indistinguishable from men, she absolutely doesn't think it will just happen on its own but is a necessary active political project without which oppression of women will if anything deepen.

Also, she was crazy, as is pretty obvious if you read The Dialectic of Sex.

>>44868538
On what planet is synthesizing an egg easier than synthesizing sperm?
Chuddies aren't sending their best.

>>44873770
Funny, unfortunately for your jab, I was white. So was my absentee father, who left at 2 after cheating on my mom multiple times. So was the abusive stepfather, who lasted a couple of years.

I'm sorry I don't fit your racist stereotypes, but even in stable families with good fathers like my friends had, the fathers mostly spent time with the children playing. They didn't do most of the labor involved in raising the kids.

>>44874232
Ok, so, chuds are stupid, but we have been able to synthesize an egg from a mouse cell. We have yet to synthesize sperm.

One of the bigger problems is that, while synthesizing a single egg is enough, synthesizing sperm requires either a complex process of artificial introduction into an egg or synthesizing a whole bunch of them. A single sperm will generally not be able to enter the egg naturally.

>>44868565
women wont have to work or even give birth anymore? wtf are they even going to do?

>>44871797
>default parent
You mean
>the courts are rigged for single mothers
lol

>>44874589
In most of the developed world, most women are employed. What are you on about?

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>>44868546
you're retarded. this is your future, pathetic moid.

>>44874641
Actually, it's more that mothers are saddled with parenting as default. When fathers actually fight for custody they're generally very successful.

>>44874841
You went through none of that shit firsthand

>>44874814
We will lay every foids impaled body like trees on the fields of wheat

>>44874952
NTA but
How can you know statistics and understand overall social forces firsthand? A single experiance is the opposite of reliable evidence.

>>44874958
Who the fuck is "we" here? Because you know most trans people, regardless of gender, will side with women because we know some men want us dead.

The people who would side with your insanity would be outnumbered even if every cis man stood with you, and they will not.

Be careful what wars you start.

>>44874982
What evidence does he give?

>>44875002
>most trans people, regardless of gender, will side with women because we know some men want us dead
NTA
so most trans people are retarded then.
all transphobia and nearly all homophobia is foids getting the ick.
this isn't 1826. In 2026 your problems stem from foids.
>would be outnumbered even if every cis man stood with you
One healthy cis man between 15 and 45 can take down 10 women.
You really don't understand how power works. If 10% of cis men want something, they will get it even if 100% of foids disagree.
YOU be careful what wars you start.

>>44875058
Ok, genuinely, I have played-wrestled with a guy after HRT, and yeah, I'll admit that once he got bored of playing he pinned me in, like, 1 second flat. So I know exactly how much stronger an average man is than I am. And it can be terrifying.

But 10%? No way. I admit I was wrong about the idea of 100% of cis men with a unified goal being at a disadvantage, but 10%? You know some women know how to shoot guns, right? Even assuming no cis men defect for personal moral reasons, I think you are overexaggerating.

>>44875513
>You know some women know how to shoot guns, right?
The vast majority of women have never seen a gun, let alone fire one. The vast majority of men did.
Then there's also the more subtle differences. Men do organize themselves better if they agree on a goal. The hard part is getting men to agree on the goal. But once they do, they simply won't be defeated by a group of women no matter what.
There's a reason there's only individual women heroes in battle, but never all-women garrisons. Not in real history anyway. Women work well collectively when there's peace and predictable order (maintained by men). When shit hits the fan, women are largely powerless even if well-armed.
I'm an estrogenized dude who works as a military contractor. I go to the warzones of Ukraine all the time. Once the bullets start flying, even among the civilians, it's the men who organize things 99% of the time. It's not that women aren't allowed to (in fact they're oftentimes encouraged), but they just simply can't do it naturally as good as men.
There are some exceptionally great military women. But even those are great by women's standards. By men's standards, even the most exceptionally great military women are barely on the level of the average man.
The most exceptional military women can barely fire an artillery barrage or figure out on the fly a new type of drone the way the average Serhii does.
I'm not over-exaggerating at all. You are severely over-estimating the physical and mental endurance of women.
All revolutions in all of history needed 5 to 10% support and a few percentage points of very well determined men of fighting age. The opinions of literally everyone else doesn't matter if 10% of cis men really REALLY want something.

>>44874438
Damn your mom was garbage.

>>44875678
NTA but that's like blaming the only guy who showed up to work. The guy who didn't even show up to help is the dirtbag here.

>>44875588
I admit that I don't have military, firearms, or any other kind of combat expertise. While what you are saying doesn't feel right given how well I have seen women organize, I admit that is all during peacetime. I can't say how well we would operate during an all-out conflict. I openly admit that I would not fare well.

I will say, the Night Witches were an all-women bomber regiment, including pilots, navigators, and ground crew, that had remarkable combat effectiveness given the extremely outdated and limited gear they were given.

>>44875678
Oh yes, my mom was the one who sucked. Not the father who cheated or the abusive asshole. They aren't guilty at all. (Sarcasm!)

Men will literally blame any woman they can to avoid blaming a man.

>>44868538
Once they can, trannies will make 20 kids each in the hope that it will be the thing that finally silences dysphoria for good

>>44875707
>Night Witches
Half of what you think you know about them is literally soviet propaganda. The same people who told you (or those who taught you) about how awesome the Night Witches were are the same people who told you the Holodomor didn't happen and that the ussr was a socialist paradise. Literally the exact same people - the agitprop department.
Even the Night Witches weren't entirely female. The supply logistics was still male.
Also, the Night Witches do fit what I said: it's a very individual thing. Aviation (even in present day) is a very individualistic thing. You can have the best logistics but if the individual pilots suck, then the whole division sucks. While the reverse is not always true. Shit-tier logistics can still be compensated by amazing pilots (see russia in the current war).

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>>44875716
Lmfao. Your mom is total garbage who picked two shitty partners. One of which abused her and her child.

Your mother was, and is, complete worthless trash.

>>44875848
Uhu. And my ex who raped me was my fault too. I swear men will literally never take accountability. It is always the woman's fault with you.

Do you think abusive men have an "I will hit you or rape you" flag? Do you think they aren't good at hiding it?

>>44875838
Kinda feels like half of what you are saying is basically "let's ignore established historical records in favor of assuming it was fake".

Regardless, I'd side with the cis women. All the ones I've talked to have been nice to me. And most of the people vying for my death are men, all things considered. There are a few TERFs, but their stances are not as popular as they would like the world to believe.