Whether or not it’s scientifically fair(and I do believe it is largely fair) you should always argue for human rights(ie. Bodily autonomy) and not scientific facts when you can. Nothing can convince people science is true but you might be able to convince them people deserve bodily autonomy. It’s not nice that we as trannies have to make this concession but rhetorically it is the best path forward. People think every line is a hard one they should never cross which is stupid this isn’t capitulation it’s just being smart with our arguments.
>>44868586i think you need to convince people that it's beneficial for society instead actually. "these mentally ill people can't get all the comforts they need, too much would be at our expense, but they need enough to work and give back to the community they're apart of"
>>44868595Yeah. Hrt is comparable to anti-depression or adhd meds and srs/ffs etc should be legal because the gov shouldn’t be able to tell me what to do with my body
>>44868586The problem is that not everyone believes in bodily autonomy to begin with.
>>44868595>t. Has never been around mentally ill people
>>44868586>>44868600Explain prison cells
>>44868586I support trans women in women's sports because it got Republicans to go from defunding women's sports and trying to eliminate programs to protecting them.Sure, it may get the trans community some flak, but it's a sacrifice for the benefit of all women.
>>44868600There's prisons, conscription, jury duty if you want to count that. You are already property of whatever state you live under, some of them are just more honest about it.
>>44868586Nobody believes in total bodily autonomy.You can't sell yourself, you can't put any drugs you like in your own body, you can't sell your organs, you can't refuse treatment if there's a serious pandemic, doctors have a mandate to stop you from killing yourself.Much less, bodily autonomy that other people have to pay for.
>>44870921>t. Has never seen a mentally ill person go from incompatible with society to participating in it after treatmentyou have no life experiences
>>44873231I believe in total bodily autonomy.
>>44873231> You can't sell yourselfThere is no right to relinquish or transfer bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is about the right to do what you want with your own body, not about your ability to transfer that right to anyone else.The ability to sell yourself is not an aspect of bodily autonomy.> You can't put any drugs you like in your own bodyMany people think that's wrong. Just because the law stipulates something doesn't mean everyone agrees with the law.> You can't refuse treatment if there's a serious pandemicYou can. You can't refuse testing AND be allowed around other people in specific places. That's not a matter of bodily autonomy. I am, for example, now allowed into high-security areas because I don't have security clearance. This is not a violation of bodily autonomy.> Doctors have a mandate to stop you from killing yourselfI am not sure I agree with that either.
