>>44869638
if you define "gender dysphoria" as "feeling bad as a result of your gender presentation", as most people who use the term in modern discourse do, then gender dysphoroa is inarguably real

if you define "phlogiston" as "an unknown substance that is released when something combusts" then combustible bodies do in fact contain phlogiston

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No, and this AGP freakazoid needs to have xer brains splattered across concrete.

yes!!!

>>44869638
sort of, but the parts she's wrong about are the most important parts
the point of gender dysphoria as a diagnosis is that it creates a reason for insurance companies and national healthcare systems to pay for trans care. it's perfectly reasonable to think that wanting to transition is sufficient and you shouldn't need a medical diagnosis. the problem is that mainstream society isn't ready to declare morphological freedom a human right and implement policies guaranteeing that right. "gender dysphoria" covers that gap. attacking gender dysphoria as a diagnosis hurts poor trans people who are struggling just to get hrt and cover basic living expenses. it's exactly the kind of thing i'd expect from someone who's never been poor.

She is not a doctor, how would she know that dysphoria doesn't exist? However I agree with her point that you shouldn't need dysphoria to transition.

Gender Dysphoria as it exists diagnostically only was created to study how to treat it and relieve the negative symptoms a patient is experiencing. Gender transitioning as a medical procedure was created to relieve this mental suffering. Given it's success rate in relieving these symptoms I would say that it's effective as medical terminology.

I think basing transness entirely on the medical definition and symptom list gives us too narrow of a picture of the full spectrum of trans identities but to say imply it's not real entirely just isn't helpful.

It's important to note that mental disorders broadly are not descriptors of people's unique characteristics but to provide treatment to them so they can become more functional members of society.

Frankly if you aren't experiencing the mental distress and you just want to transition, that's great and should absolutely be allowed but it's not a medical necessity so you can function properly. The diagnoses and label exists for people experiencing the latter not the former.

I literally have a diagnosis from a doctor but I guess breadtube rapists know better than my doctor now

her opinion is half formed and has some truth mixed with a lot of sillyness. the worst part is not her opinion but her smug reply in OP, or the way she positioned herself as some sort of authority on something she was at the time very new to.

>>44871171
How would a doctor know that dysphoria exists?

>>44871171
because he doesn't have it, so it must not exist. such is the mentality of narcissistic crossdressers.

>>44871710
>gender and sex are made up
>hence gender dysphoria is a made up diagnosis
It's quite easy to arrive at this conclusion if you follow the leftist logic.
You think you're experiencing gender dysphoria, but what you're actually experiencing is material application of capitalism, patriarchy and maybe colonialism... or something like that.

>>44869638
Has philosophy tube ever been right about anything?

>>44869638
yeah of course Toob is right
Gender dysphoria is a concept that exists solely because western medicine requires a disease to exist in order for insurance to pay for a treatment
Even someone with half a philosophy degree can spot the flaw in the idea that dysphoria is a natural kind

>>44871153
well okay, but in that case, can I get my hair transplant on the NHS as well? since you've admitted that trooning is just one more set of cosmetics. actually how about some free teeth?

>>44873200
Sorry britoid we cant help your kind

>>44871710
nobody has it, it's an excuse to participate in anti-social, harmful, regressive behavior without facing scrutiny

>>44871480
>Gender Dysphoria as it exists diagnostically only was created to study how to treat it and relieve the negative symptoms a patient is experiencing. Gender transitioning as a medical procedure was created to relieve this mental suffering. Given it's success rate in relieving these symptoms I would say that it's effective as medical terminology.


Imagine we had a world where some people wanted a unicorn horn stuck on their head and there are procedures to do this. In this world, you would have said

>"Unicorn horn dysphoria was created to study how to relieve the negative symptoms a patient is experiencing. Unicorn horn grafting as a medical procedure was created to relieve this suffering. Given its success rate is relieving these symptoms I would say that it's effective"

All you've done is to restate that some people want a unicorn horn stuck on their head for some reason. The "dysphoria" and "symptoms" are empty concepts. "Gender dysphoria" is a parallel empty concept. The only thing that exists, is someone's desire to transition.

>>44873290
>All you've done is to restate that some people want a unicorn horn stuck on their head for some reason.
To try and clarify I was more so attempting to state that some people suffer distress because of this desire which leaves them unable to function normally. Realistically it's only the distress and lack of healthy functioning that matter to a medical professional as a diagnosis is for a treatment plan. If you are functional and healthy you do not need a diagnosis nor the following treatment plan. This wouldn't mean you are not trans or do not desire transition, those things may also be true but it's irrelevant to a medical treatment plan for alieviation of distress and returning to regular life function.

The desire to transition is a necessary condition but not the only qualifying one for being a medical issue. Identity wise though it is the only qualifying condition to be trans.

>>44869638
Why would anyone even consider transitioning if they didn't feel dysphoria?

>>44873466
>I was more so attempting to state that some people suffer distress because of this desire which leaves them unable to function normally. Realistically it's only the distress and lack of healthy functioning that matter to a medical professional as a diagnosis is for a treatment plan.

OK, and some people really want a unicorn horn stuck on their head. They want it so much that they experience distress which leaves them unable to function normally. This is a parallel construction to gender dysphoria.

It does not mean there is really a disease called unicorn horn dysphoria. It just means that some people want this procedure. The disease exists purely as something for the clinician to write down to justify the procedure to the bureaucracy.

>>44869638
It's clearly projection

>>44873487
It's usually one of three things: a fetish, a desire to feel a sense of belonging to what can be likened to a fanbase or religion (usually the faketroon has autism in these first two cases), or, most common for FtT faketrannies, SA trauma.

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>>44869638
What's with late-transitioning transbians and having malignant narcicism? Why couldn't she just say "people shouldn't need a dysphoria diagnosis to transition" and leave it at that? Instead it's "I transitioned for a fetish, which means everyone else did too and if they claim otherwise they're wrong or lying xD"

>>44873200
>hello NHS, im in extreme pain, please help

>"fuck off peasant, the best we can do is making life worse for trannys"

>oh thank you NHS, i may die but at least a tranny is suffering somewhere, god bless the king, god save England

>>44873501
>a disease called unicorn horn dysphoria
Yes! Mental health issues are not diseases and are only defined by a collection of symptoms combined with distress and impairment.

>It just means that some people want this procedure
No it means they want this treatment and that the lack of it causes them to experience distress or impairment.

>purely as something for the clinician to write down to justify the procedure
I do agree with you here. The diagnostic only exists to try and gather a treatment plant that relieves the patient of the distress enough that they can continue regular life functioning. The distress plus the desire is what qualifies it to meet the definition. That doesn't mean it isn't "real" however otherwise many mental illnesses would be "not real". If it were truly just a desire it would just be classified like regular plastic surgery. It's the fact people become unable to function that we had to come up with medical diagnosis and treatment plan at all.

>>44873974
mental illness is fake, it is a way to control unwanted members of the population

>>44873200
You can get these things on the NHS. you can get FFS on the NHS even. Teeth too, I know some retarded north african refugee who was given brand new pearly whites on the NHS. And you can skip the trans humiliation ritual by paying for a private endo but most of yall probably dont have jobs