i have AGP and it's on my mind basically all the time. every time i see an attractive woman, my mind immediately imagines myself with boobs, wide hips, a big ass, a vagina, a feminine face etc.i'm not a woman in a man's body, i'm a straight man and i don't act like a gay guy, i have masculine interests.what does hrt actually do for men with AGP? i know the effects of hrt but why does it help men with AGP specifically? or does it not help?
>>44869744>why do people recommend medical transition for AGPs?alleviates dysphoria, integrates your core self with your AGP persona>i'm a straight man and i don't act like a gay guybeing a gay man doesn't make you "fembrained"thinking otherwise only confirms you're a cis straight man>what does hrt actually do for men with AGP?it might change your libido to the point where you no longer feel the sexual uyrges that motivated you to take hrt in the first placeor you might kinda like it hard to tell what's gonna happenprobably depends on how much you like being a girl when you're not horny
>>44869744it gives you boobs, bigger hips and ass, at least slightly more feminine face, and even a tolerable substitute for a pussy if you go that farlike what's not to love
>>44869744There was excessive repping and gatekeeping in the past, and in response people over correct now and tell everyone to transition even if they shouldn't. You should not transition without dysphoria unless you have a good starting point with good pass potential (short, good measurements, money for surgeries) and are okay with transitioning cynically. Pink pillers don't take responsibility for the neverpassers they gaslight.
>>44869851>>44869881do men with agp who go all the way have to force themselves to act like women? that's what i would have to do if i properly transitioned but normal trans women don't need to do that, they're just naturally feminine
>>44869890Trvthnuke
>>44869744You have AGP + no dysphoria. You are *not* a tranny, so you are only projecting yourself and imposing fascism based on your narrow worldview. It would be dangerous if retards like OP were involved with any decision making that impacts others. Tranny has AGP + body dysmorphia (dysphoria). Almost everyone here has AGP and is larping regardless of their identity. Blanchard affirms that AGP is trutrans and they deserve medical intervention and humanism. The problem is ROGD, people who are not really trans, who may not take the identity as seriously. It is cruel to deny HRT to trans women from a humanist perspective because not being a woman causes extreme distress for the late onset tranny. When medicated, she gets a hormonal profile that lowers her rate of criminality, it improves mental health outcomes, and she has better opportunities to assimilate in society and gain social acceptance. You can't beat the tranny out of her, but you can make her more normal with support. >lol no AGPs are..You are AGP. You are all AGP. You just have no self awareness and you call anything you don't like AGP because you are insecure in your womanhood and status in society. It's just that you are stupid and evil that you constantly want to oppress everyone. Yet you are indignant when cis people oppress you, the hypocrisy is funny to me. Look where you are posting from. Poverty and isolation fucks people up and then they act like beasts. It will always happen regardless if we medicate trans women, but this action is mitigation. Grant them humanism. What matters isn't your own selfish fascist desire to punish people, what matters is society giving people the opportunity to be productive and normal. t. highest IQ poster on the board, always objectively correct. OP is a retard that doesn't think. Everyone here is a weak, bitter loser because they have no control over their life and they're deeply unhappy.
>>44869899>normal trans women don't need to do that, they're just naturally feminineare they? I don't think I'm that feminine reallynot to mention not having to socially transition really
>>44869934>ROGDNot a thing unless you're a teenaged pooner with facebook boomer parents.
>>44869934>highest IQ poster on the board>cites blanchard>uses headcanon definition of fascism
>>44869934>Everyone here is a weak, bitter loserDont be so hard on yourself. Lighten up, Johhny
>>44869944Agree to disagree. Many people are observing this phenomenon. It is absolutely a thing because sometimes I make being trans look fun and men get tricked into taking HRT by observing me. This is completely by accident, I don't want them to be trans. That is ROGD - they normally wouldn't have been trans and don't have real dysphoria. I care about trans optics to some degree, I would prefer if ROGD don't take HRT if they don't need it. If they take the identity seriously, though, who am I to judge? I don't have the right to police gender. >Not a thing unless you're a teenaged pooner with facebook boomer parents.I mean most people are gullible and easy to psyop. That personality type exists in this world. It's hard to say if it's significant and I don't think it should be used in bad faith by the right to deter the trans movement. I'm just stating I think it's real. Like I said, we should care about optics, but I don't want to police others, there's a line to draw. >>44869965If you're OP - Blanchard is the leading sexologist studying trans women. You can critically analyze, disagree with some aspects, but he is more informed than you are. >uses headcanon definition of fascismYeah I think you being low IQ and existing is inherently fascism because you get to participate in democracy. The elites that ask for your votes also think of you as low IQ fascists. Philosophers see ordinary citizens as fascists. Most of politics is a larp from fascists that want to impose their stupidity on others. So yes, you could say I'm using a loose definition of fascism, I still think you are a stupid fascist. I don't want to have a semantical argument with a low IQ retard. If not OP, everything I said still applies. >>44870004Nice insult, but you can't even spell properly. Try harder, friend.
>>44869944>with facebook boomer parents.What do parents have to do with this lmao
>>44869899>have to force themselves to act like women?no?you can BE and act however you wantall of this chin rubbing over "real" trannies and women is ridiculous.if body dysmorphia is bothering you there is an option available to alleviate it.you don't *have* to force yourself to do anything else beyond that if you don't want to. you can even just call yourself a man and "be" a normal straight guy except this one different thing about you if you want to.
>>44870018>hurrdurr spelling>Nice insult,huh? insult? I told you not to worry so much that your a weak, bitter loser. Im looking out for you dude. All that seething and projection can't be healthy to someone as weak and bitter as you are. Seriously all your seething hate will only increase your risk of heart attacks which is already elevated given your gender.
>>44870018Not sure if I'd call that phenomenon ROGD since I can think of several different unrelated reasons why someone who otherwise wouldn't be dysphoric would go down that path. Seems more like a basket bin diagnosis for faketranny rather than any meaningful subtype.>>44870025The whole idea of ROGD was meant to appeal to that specific demographic.
>>44870071Regardless, we agree that rogd shouldn't be used as a bad faith talking point by the right. I may be using it as an umbrella term, but I think we are just having a semantical disagreement. I'm probably using the conventional usage but language is also kind of fluid, so however you use it is as valid as mine.
>>44870018>If you're OP - Blanchard is the leading sexologist studying trans women. You can critically analyze, disagree with some aspects, but he is more informed than you are.Blanchard is a charlatan notorious for turning away patients and filtering study subjects who don't adhere to his typology. It's ancient history now but when this board was new, many of the posters here documented having terrible experiences with his clinic. Don't you dare suggest that an old cis man lecturing everyone about dysphoria = paraphilia knows more than me about my own life and experiences.
>>44869744You basically transition into a lesbian. I want to have all the things you mentioned, but also do it with the said attractive woman, but not like men do it. The sexuality is different, the stuff you like and how. I could explain it to men, but they just stare and act stupid, so whatever.
>>44870171Your feelings are understandable. His typology and work is largely true, from my experience. He is correct despite his transphobia. Most in the field don't have work as comprehensive as his, though. It is just not a dichotomy. His work is insightful but imperfect. I'm unemotional about how he treats trans patients, but your feelings are understandable. We can agree he isn't a good guy, but he is quite brilliant. His work on observing gay people and pedophilia is also insightful. I would not say he is a charlatan. You can have good research but have bad conclusions on how to apply it to your patients. He understands trannies better than both of us.
>>44869744>i don't act like a gay guyneither do cis women or passing agp tranniesHSTS do, in fact, act like gay men though, and they're not interested in socially passing as a woman>what does hrt actually do for men with AGP?HRT makes everyday life more bearable for dysphoric AMABs, which 99% of AGPs are (they're trannies in denial)HRT is not a magic bullet, but transitioning socially and getting to pass as a woman is a magic bullet. But, obviously, not every dysphoric AMAB can pass as a woman>t. someone who told herself "it was just AGP" but turned out to be a pretty normie tranny thanks to luckshit genes
>>44869934>and imposing fascism based on your narrow worldviewCan you elaborate on this? Why is OP's stupidity hurting trannies?
>>44869744There's no such thing as AGP. Medical transition for AGPs is no different than medical transition for anybody else.
>>44870815so there's no such thing as men like me who get turned on by imagining themselves with a female body?
>>44870815>t. agp faketranny
>>44870836the point is you're only turned on by it cus you don't have it
>>44870961what does that mean?
a lot of tourists talk about agp as if it were something wholly separate from any random "cis agp" haver's sexuality, but in practice it seems only like 5-10% of cis agps actually have sex, most are virgins and incels.this is why my first advice to cis agps is usually to have sex with a woman to see how they feel about penetration and het sex dynamics where they're a man
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>>44870481>HRT makes everyday life more bearable for dysphoric AMABs, which 99% of AGPs are (they're trannies in denial) No. Not OP. Just wanted to point out that saying this shit is creepy AND gay. The only time I would be more comfortable having a woman's body is when I'm horny. I'm horny for MAYBE 1 hour a day. The rest of my life would be worsened if I transitioned.Transitioning is just a fetish to me. It's imaginary. It's like the women who schlick to buff gangster vampire abusechad rapemage warewolf erotica. They don't ACTUALLY want to be raped. They just get turned on by their imagination. I historically do not like being forced into situations where I'm actually around women's clothing or trans medicine or emasculating shit like that. It's fun to think about it. It's not fun to actually have it happen.>>44869744I'm in the same boat. Imo, you're better off just not risking ruining your body and identity and status for what's genuinely just a fetish. The biggest issue is just what you do in the bedroom when you finally get a partner. Idk what to do then.
>>44870487Hi. OP is dangerous and people that think like him should be culled. Stupid people should be shamed but they are affirmed and celebrated in America. There were mediocre, performatively kind public school teachers that gave him the confidence to share his opinion, and I'm correcting it. He should not have the confidence to share his stupid thoughts without being shamed. And the result, if he was a good person, should be to do basic introspection. But no, he is a mouth breathing lobotomized retard. My post was thoughtful and hard to counter. 1. Bad faith comparison projecting his own experience onto trans women. He is not a trans woman and doesn't understand them. 2. Devil's advocate questioning of their medical care because of said ignorance. He did no research. 3. Sharing his ideas with other impressionable, stupid people while trans women are at the whim of unreliable legislators. 4. Normalizing the idea that you need to appeal to the biases of stupid fucks and justify your existence to get medical care. He harms trans women in the exact same manner that Charlie Kirk did. He has the right to free speech, but you need to be hard on retards. Shame them as callously as possible, Retards on the left are also dangerous, anti-intellectualism is disgusting.Being a pea brained retard and choosing to be okay with it is evil because the lens through which you see life are inherently flawed. If he is uninformed, he should just shut the fuck up and make an earnest effort to learn. He doesn't really have a right to have an opinion on trans women. If I was a fascist dictator, I would have killed him for being stupid. No, not even being critical of trans women, just for being a retard.
>>44872067Do you have any reading you can suggest regarding your specific beliefs? (other than reading Blanchard's papers)
>>44869934>You have AGP + no dysphoria. Yes. And I'm like OP. And that's what OP said.>You are *not* a tranny, so you are only projecting yourself and imposing fascism based on your narrow worldview.How is he "imposing fascism" by having a paraphilia?>It would be dangerous if retards like OP were involved with any decision making that impacts othersHow? Why do you think OP would fuck anything up? He literally only agrees with you about your assessment except the random "fascism" you threw in there for fun. >The problem is ROGD, people who are not really trans, who may not take the identity as seriously.Why would OP not take actual trannies seriously?>It is cruel to deny HRT to trans women from a humanist perspectiveNo shit>You can't beat the tranny out of her, No shit. Who do you think OP is, though? The tranny beater?>You just have no self awarenessCitation needed>you call anything you don't like AGPCitation needed>insecure in your womanhoodUh, but OP self-identified male?>Poverty and isolation fucks people up and then they act like beastsOkay bigot dang>t. highest IQ poster on the board, always objectively correctYou're literally arguing with yourself, not OP, who wasn't even here to do anything malicious or argue.>>44872067>Stupid people should be shamed but they are affirmed and celebrated in America.Mean and ridiculous people of your kin, too.>his opinion, and I'm correcting itNot his opinion, and you're not correcting anything.>Bad faith comparison projecting his own experience onto trans womenDidn't happen. AGPs != Trans women.>Devil's advocate questioning of trans medical care because of said ignorance.Didn't happen. >Sharing his ideasOh no. What a crime. >Normalizing the idea that you need to appeal to the biases of stupid fucksDidn't happen either>He harms trans women in the exact same manner that Charlie Kirk did.Wrong. Charlie Kirk was maliciousIn conclusion, slow down ur high IQ ah, and read before you post trash.
>>44873596Aww, you think so highly of me? I'm honored, anon. Thank you for the kind gesture. My thoughts are polarizing but they really land sometimes! I can come off as too radical, but some may find my raw authenticity refreshing. Nietzsche's writings are very similar to my thoughts. Also, Schopenhauer.
>>44874076The very premise of the question was audacious. It was not a sincere, genuine, good faith question. On the tranny board, /tttt/, he brazenly asked "why do people recommend medical transition for AGPs?" His insinuation is that he is skeptical that it is helpful. All of the ways to interpret that question are bad. Next, he explains his AGP and conflates trans women with himself. You can pretend he's asking a question for his own benefit but remember the premise was him questioning the reasons why they prescribe it to AGPs then comparing it to his own experience anecdotally. Then, he acts creepy and moidish and male gazey by describing his fantasies, while associating himself with trannies. Then he asks why they prescribe it to "men" when referring to trannies...??????? Then lastly he finalizes his stupid post by asking if it doesn't help at all?????Jeez, you're obtuse for not seeing how disrespectful he is. You're just acting defensive and deflective because you relate to him. Both idiots.
>>44874329>>44872067>>44871971>>44870071>>44869934what is a trutrannywhat is a faketrannywhat is dysphoriawhat is rogdwhat is a trans womanwhat is a cis man with agphow do these two differ
>>44874329>It was not a sincere, genuine, good faith question. Yeah it was. Incompetence should be assumed before malice. Just saying the person you have an issue with is "arguing" in bad faith is a logical fallacy attacking their character and isn't even correct. This guy is anonymous posting on /lgbt/. idk what your problem is. Where else would this kind of question appear? Reddit?>His insinuation is that he is skeptical that it is helpfulWell, it's obviously not helpful to male AGPs.>All of the ways to interpret that question are bad. No, you're just looking for problems where there were none.>Next, he explains his AGP and conflates trans women with himselfHe did not do that. He explained his AGP, but he did not comflate trans women with himself. He self identified as male.>You can pretend he's asking a question for his own benefit but remember the premise was him questioning the reasons why they prescribe it to AGPs then comparing it to his own experience anecdotally. Pretend? Really now? AGPs are not automatically trans women, remember. It directly applies to his own experiences.>Then, he acts creepy and moidish and male gazey by describing his fantasies, while associating himself with tranniesThis is just misandry. How dare the moid want to be a woman and have a sexuality that literally is the same shit cis women get off to.>Then he asks why they prescribe it to "men" when referring to trannies...??????? He wasn't referring to trannies. You misinterpreted his entire post a while back and it has carried over to the rest.>Then lastly he finalizes his stupid post by asking if it doesn't help at all????? Yeah. He asked if it doesn't help AGP men like him. Nothing to do with trannies. Duh. Just read slower.>you're obtuse for not seeing how disrespectful he is. No, you're just primed to be intolerant to intolerance so much that it's made you needlessly intolerant and frankly wrathful.I come from OP's place. I know what he's saying. You're blinded
>>44874509No, you're just very obtuse. How is taking HRT not referring to trannies............? You're... extremely autistic.
>>44874557That question shouldn't be rehitorical. Taking HRT is directly related to men with AGP because men with AGP get recommended HRT for the AGP. It's like people throwing anti-depressants at everything, even when it's obviously not always the solution for any symptom that looks like sadness. Men with agp LOOK like trannies to the outside world, but as you said they're actually ROGD or they're just being pressured into it. One of the problems of being a man with AGP is that people, if they know about it, treat you like an egg boymoder that needs to be cracked open, if they're not actually just MAGA and calling you a faggot or suspect mentally ill transvestite if they even know what "AGP" means. The medical situation obviously is no exception, if you tell your therapist or doctor.The OP was never directly about trans women, though. Sure, trans women have to deal with being told they're just AGP men, but that is a different issue altogether than actually being an AGP man.
>>44870481>i don't act like a gay guy>neither do cis women or passing agp trannies>HSTS do, in fact, act like gay men though, and they're not interested in socially passing as a womanwhat? This is backwards. AGPs/transbians often have no desire or apparent attempts to act like cis women. Pretty much THE defining trait of HSTSs is they want to be normal, and they act like women and try to blend in to society.
>>44874373>trutrannyA tranny.>faketrannySonebody only pretending to be a tranny.>dysphoriaAn uncomfortable state of being.In this context, gender dysphoria. So, an uncomfortable state of being regarding one's gender.>rogdRapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. So, gender dysphoria that just came up and isn't innate, typically caused by social media, friends, confusion, or maybe drugs.>trans woman A woman that was previously thought/designated as male. Typically somebody who was assigned male at birth, but sometimes somebody who was assigned female at birth, transitioned into a trans man, and then transitions back into a woman.>cis man with agp Just a guy who has a paraphilia around the female version of himself.>how do these two differOne is a normal guy with a weird fetish. The other is a woman
>>44874800how would one pretend to be a trannywhat makes one a normal trannywhat are things that can be mistaken for gender dysphoria/incorrectly attributed to gender dysphoriafake gender dysphoria >confusion>rogdgo more in detail on how this develops and happensalso autism ocd and such when applicable and how it relates to faketrannies and rogd cases>The other is a womanwhy and how
>>44874278ntaI am probably further right than you but do find authenticity refreshingyou do come across as narcissistic though imngl
>>44874373>what is a trutrannyme>what is a faketrannyyou>what is dysphoriaI have it>what is rogdyou have it>what is a trans womanme>what is a cis man with agpyou
>>44875188thank you
