Reading this made me realize that 99.9999999% of """""trap/femboy/otokonoko"""""" characters in anime and other Japanese media are literally just trans women written by horny chaser otaku who don't actually understand how transness works if even actual japanese trannies often willingly gender themselves male. These poor girls.
very based analysis. the japanese are the british of asia and vice-a-versa
>>44875336Why is it so important to think of oneself as a woman?
>>44875336>be male sex>get the sex change surgery>you are now female sexシンプル。
I hope they never adopt the "gender is a social construct" transphobic nonsense. a good middle ground would be still seeing yourself and referring to yourself as a woman even if you haven't had SRS yet.
>>44875501a decade from now you're going to look back on this argument and be embarrassed that you made it. please reconsider who is best served by bioessentialism
>>44875511so you believe it is a choice to be trans? people like you are the reason our healthcare is being threatened
>>44875501This, it's retarded. Some of you are women regardless of what's between your legs.>>44875511You have to be honest because it all comes to light in the end. You will always be biologically male, but you should be allowed to have female listed on documents with a * on the medical ones.
>>44875520beep boop, "gender is a social construct" != "gender is a choice." specious argument detected. please try again>>44875538a male woman because i have the "essence" of a woman but am biologically male? and this makes more sense to you than the idea that gender is socially constructed (which is basically what you're saying, but with significantly less mental gymnastics)
>>44875511In Japan, sex and gender not being distinct leads to the silly scenario where a passing pre-SRS trans woman is considered maleIn the West, sex and gender being distinct has led to self-identified transmasc AFABs, enbies, xenogenders, and other nonsense that undermined good will and justification to transition to begin withAll things considered, both are wrong but the natural balance seems closer to the Japanese outlook imo
>>44875586the concept of gender was made up by western feminists to blame "patriarchy" for men and women liking different things
>>44875597trvkejapan is a country with patriarchal priors, which extends to their view of sex. men have a pretty simple view of it, whereas feminists have an interest in making it as blurry as possible.
"gender and sex are different" has been fucking CANCER on the trans community and needs to be launched into the sun. It's a bad argument and has opened the door to cis people blatantly invalidating our entire existence by calling us males. Fuck that.
>>44875653It’s a cornerstone of the theyfab reich that’s destroyed transsexual advocacy, better to have a situation as described in the OP than one that opens the door for spicy cissexuals to call the shots like we have.
>>44875653it doesn't "invalidate your existence" in asia or anywhere else that has trannies that aren't insane enough to try to force other people to believe something that isn't true
>>44875679We in the West do not look to asian ladyboys as inspiration. If anything we feel bad for them. Personally, I believe they are victims of a transphobic society that didn't even allow them to see themselves as the women they are.Asian model is not a model for Western trannies. We demand that our gender be respected.
>>44875653>>44875677you're drunk on the flavor-aid, at this point. self-ID is DIY and the only consistent standard for fair bodily autonomy
>>44875690screeching at people to believe a falsehood has so far got trannies de-accepted and trump elected at least oncey'all should keep going, maybe you can bring hitler back next
>>44875703>>44875702We used to be TRANSSEXUALS who underwent SEX CHANGES. It is you cis people cock suckers who changed this without our consent. We demand to be transsexuals as we have always been. Plain and simple
Damn I just wanted this thread to be a place to make fun of retarded femboys who think blatantly obvious trans women characters are boys but okay we cn have this fight I guess
>>44875711and YOU still are a transSEXUAL, but i am transGENDER
>>44875723Oh really then tell the fucking sneeds and cis people who want to genocide us for daring to be TRANSSEXUALS
Zoomers unironically single handedly destroyed trans rights by preemptively surrendering the transsexual debate. It's a total disgrace.
>>44875734i do tell them. do you not tell them?
>>44875759If you do then I don't understand why you even replied to me girl. We don't disagree???
>>44875723without being transphobic or sexist, explain how sex and gender aren't effectively the same thing such that your attempt to separate the two undermines the validity of your claim to be undergoing a transition from one man to woman.
>>44875777lol i'm glad we had this talk>>44875779if there weren't a social phenomenon of gender, i couldn't be agamp
>>44875723“Transgender” originated as a catch-all term for crossdressers, GNC people, transsexuals, etc. In a way, all of the kinds of people described in the OP are referring to themselves as a kind of transgender person.
>>44875806agamp is gay. you fall for the trap because you're physically attracted to the penis, but social conditioning has lead to be homophobic. hence you can't accept your homosexuality unless it is publically heterosexual passing. means you see trans women as men because subconsciously you don't believe a sex change is possible. you see srs as genital mutilation instead of reconstruction.
>>44875336its a cute cultural difference they are so considerate, im not worthy of being a woman yet because i don't have a vagina, meanwhile in thailand ladyboys hung like a horse will fuck your ass no questions asked
>>44875813transgender is to transsexuals as asians is to laotians.cis people see all transgenders as the same because they're bigots. the same way racists think all asians are chinese.
>>44875826no, i don't fall for traps. i have sex with men and the gamp is me (agamp). i identify particularly as a tranny, a hermaphrodite, a boobeunuch. so i never made the claim that i'm transitioning from man to woman
>>4487583520$s is 20$s
>>44875845that's not agamp. that's transvestic fetishism.
>>44875852>transvestic fetishism??? i'm normally naked when i have sex ???
here's the difference between transvestic fetishists and transsexuals. tv's id as men. ts's id as women. tv's like to dress up as women, but they'll never get the chop. ts's id as women so they get the chop.to say the chop is somehow sexist or transphobic undermines the realities of sexual dimorphism.
>>44875336i don't like tropes like this because it reminds me that even people who might like us as a theoretical concept would probably be disgusted by us or unwilling to understand us, these tropes aren't for us, they aren't even for people who would like usbut maybe it's my fault for almost seeing myself in trans coded characters instead of women
>>44875864so you're two gay men having gay sex. what's agamp about it? your gynocomastia? plenty of young men get gyno. most get it removed if it gets out of hand. having gyno doesn't make you a third sex or agamp.
>>44875868i don't think you understand the word "transvestic"
>>44875877people that like dressing up in the garb traditionally associated with the opposite sex for sake of sexual satisfaction
Agamp is boring fetish gamp niggerbrim bichud slop bring up autogynephila already
>>44875885they aren't agp because they can't see themselves as women since they don't think a sex change is possible.
>>44875876>what's agamp about it? huh? your gyno?lmao
>>44875740>>44875868bruh, i am trans and i'm not getting "the chop" just to make people more comfortable with the idea of me being a woman, i am however taking hormones to be more comfortable and confident about my own body
>>44875895trans isn't the identity. man and woman are identities.
>>44875891>>fatties think having moobs makes them a new sex
femcel = seething
>>44875912and the "g" in "agamp" stands for... what was it again? ... oh, right. "gyno"
>>44875921gyno as vagina not gyno as in man tits. you thinking you're a hermaphrodite because you have titties from being fat isn't the same as having intersex genitals. that's you misconstruing secondary sex characteristics as impactful as primary in the sexual marketplace.
>>44875938"hermaphrodite" doesn't mean "futa">in the sexual marketplace'ringe
can men grow tits? yes. that's why it's not an indicator of intersexism. boob size is not a measurement of femaleness.
seethe + i probably mog you lol
>>44875950explain to me how you wanting to be a futa isn't a male identified fetish.
>>44875982let me guess. you came out after 2015.
every time you say cringe or seethe, just remember who made you. the trans movement fell apart because they put up the bat signal batman told you to fuck yourselves.
you're blaming me for something that affects both of us negatively because you're drunk on flavoraid
>>44876005i'm blaming you for the problems bad faith actors like you cause for people like me that act in good faith.non-ops are not the same as post-ops. you cling to the coattails of post-ops because you don't want to miss the band wagon to privelege.it wasn't until people like you tried to engage in women's sports that we started to get significant blowback. the whole reason trannies lose the sports debate is because you try to force phobes to accept trans women as women when they'll never be able to see them as such regardless of transitional status.why should trans women be allowed in women's sports? if you try to say because trans women are women, then you're conceding the argument.you don't know how to articulate points of your own accord. you only know how to regurgitate my spark notes.seethe + cringe
>>44876027i had planned to leave the thread, but you've trolled me, i admit. this is your last (You). firstly, you, of all people, after all the unnecessary shit-slinging you have done itt, should make no appeal to the supposed malice of an opposing interlocutor. as you demonstrate in the very next sentence, your main interest here seems to be putting me down. second, the idea that the blowback started because "non-ops like me tried to play women's sports" is factually and historically incorrect (could you be *gasps* in bad faith???). sports (the mere desire to play them btw: we're still not allowed in the ncaa or wnba, either of us) were always an ad hoc justification for bigotry. third, i don't CARE about fucking JOCKBALL. where do you think you are? like, not only is your account of the facts wrong, but, even if it were RIGHT, i wouldn't give a SHIT if they didn't let you play girls lax, you stupid fucking padpig
>>44875470>>44875486>>44875488>>44875501>>44875511>Japanese media are literally just trans women written by horny chaser otaku who don't actually understand how transness works if even actual japanese trannies often willingly gender themselves male. These poor girls.
>>44875511Sorry but I’m just NOT gonna identify as a woman and I’m NOT gonna use your pronouns and I’m STILL gonna take hrt and theres NOTHING you brainwashed rightoid fucks can do about it… TOPKEK
>>44876027Holy fuck why are you such a KEKStand up for yourself and your community you sniveling coward
>>44875336passoids don't have to overcompensate by playing word games
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>>44875336This is a western (white) point of view, you need to look at your cultural biases and realise that other perspectives can be just as valid as ones different from your own. Sex is the social construct most consistent around the world, but gender is an anglosphere concept not as applicable to other cultures. Try to not be so short sighted.
>>44876134non-ops aren't my community. it's not my job to spoon feed you arguments. when i started doing that, you people started spreading /trans visibility/ and forcibly outting closet cases. that's why we're mad. we used to live happy little stealth lives, but now the cats out of the bag. you people fucked us, so we're rightfully upset.>>44876083is lia thomas post op? no. my point stands. you can't argue the trans women in women's sports because you don't get it.allow me to educate you dumbasses. are sports fair? were sports ever about /fairness/. no. why? well if you put muggsy bogues next to shaq, does that look fair? shaq towers over muggsy in size and power. sports in and of themselves are not about fairness. so to say sex segregation in sports is about fairness or equality is a bad faith argument to begin with. so what's a good faith argument? well. women aren't banned from the nba. it's not illegal for a woman to play in the nfl. so where's the disconnect? women, on average, are so much worse at sports than men that in order to be charitable to women and offer them opportunities to be celebrated we made entire leagues for them. that's called being equittable. so the next time a conservative says they want to keep men out of women's sports, ask them why they don't believe in DEI when they support an entire league rooted in the E, equity. allowing trannies to play in women's sports isn't about fairness because sports in and of themselves aren't fair. it's about equity. it's about allowing a population that would otherwise be unrecognized a chance to be celebrated.so go fuck yourselves you fucking retards. that's the argument you're supposed to be making when challenging conservatives on the sports frontier, but you retards are to fucking stupid to make it of your own accord because you grifters don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>44876198"Transer than thou" is such a fucking braindead perspective to hold.
>>44876211i'm not trans. i'm a woman. you calling me trans is bigotry.
>>44876225And let me guess non-ops aren't women? Fuck outta here, girl. They'll stick you in the camps as well
>>44876235no srs, no transition. non-ops don't want srs because they're congruent in sex. if a penis is a male primary sex characteristic and they prefer it, then it means they identify as men.i don't care if they throw me in the camps with you. when they come back i'll be the only one left alive in the cage.
>>44876198"allowing a population that would otherwise be unrecognized a chance to be celebrated" isn't "equity," it's inclusion. equity is fairness. they are synon, anon
>>44876248equity is not fairness. that's why you're retarded. if you're giving one group something while not giving another group the same thing, that is not fairness.segregating sports based upon sex is literal exclusion. hence, it's cannot be inclusion by definition.you're so fucking stupid that you don't even know what equity is.
>>44876244Good to know you think woman = walking vagina
>>44876258>if you're giving one group something while not giving another group the same thing, that is not fairnessanon... it is fair if it's explicitly done to mitigate unfair treatment. that's the whole point of equity as a social remedy. it's a type of fairness. you've internalized the propaganda so deeply you can't even see the meanings of words clearly
>>44876263is a vagina an observable phenotypical characteristic of human sexual dimorphism? so if you're a woman you would have a phenotype in line with a females observable sexually dimorphic characteristics. anything else is her private medical history.saying trans rights are women's rights is about a woman's right to privacy. if i say i'm a woman. if i have sexually dimorphic characteristics within their paradigm, then i am.
>>44876278no anon. it's a type of justice. not fairness. fairness is to equality as justice is to equity
>>44876280no, justice is when the law is executed without perversion or impediment
>>44876125>too late tranny, ive attached an image of a fat person next to your writing!
>>44875336>(newhalf) which implies trans women are half male and half femalei like that term i think its pretty appropriate to refer to someone like me
>>44876286i disagree. israel believes they are bringing justice in the persecution of the palestians as they seize power in the region. justice is not necessarily righteousness as one man's justice may come at the cost of another's liberty.
>>44875336basically the only transphobic part abt this shit to me is srs being paramount instead of hrt being at least seen as equal in value for the process of transitioning one's sex
>>44876295well they literally can't believe that because justice is an internal function of a sovereign state. they can say it, but they can't believe it
>>44876302why do you think justice is blind?
>>44875703The billionaire class has burnt through enough wealth to elevate a small country to first world status on media campaigns to make people hate us. Nothing about trans hate is a natural pushback to anything, it's a completely astroturfed phenomenon to distract people from the fact that these silicon valley narcissists and their sycophants are working on absolute hegemony and immortality while their cattle drowns in the waste of their endeavours.
