Why is there so much dumb MRA talking points on this board. You cannot complain about the things and stuff that women go through even just once without a million moids coming out to go >âoooh but what about meeeeeeeeeeee?????âIt is so annoying and makes the board a hostile place for women to talk openly about our unique issues without men trying to make it out like they have it just as bad when that is just simply not true and I think everyone knows that in some level
>>44932462God I wish foids would fuck off to their own internet. Can you do anything but bitch and moan? I am on the same hormones as you, I know what it feels like and I know you don't have to be a miserable cunt like this
>>44932477Literally case in point lmao
>>44932477They can kvetch, scheme, spend money and subvert.
>>44932462we need more complaining abt how hard it is to be a woman. makes me feel better about transitioning into a man
>>44932462>how dare you take away the exclusivity of my victimhood from me!!
>>44932462thereâs an /r9k/ to /lgbt/ pipeline
>>44932542but itâs still jarring. a board for a marginalized group would normally be more progressive, but i would argue this isnât even the least right wing board on the chan
>>44932533Womanâs issues>sexism>rape>domestic violence>single motherhood>pay inequality>sexual harassment >not getting took seriously by anyoneMenâs issues>not allowed to hit women anymore but if you do other men will defend you anywaySo true bestie!!!! These are totally equal problems actually
>>44932556Literally itâs so annoying.
>>44932556oh no, we aren't all brain dead progressive foot soldiers, what ever will you do? (maybe you will go away)
>>44932574Moids and pickmes be like
>>44932560Women's issues>shit that affects 0.0001% of them>shit that is a natural consequence of their own action>shit that is completely made up>shit that men wish they had to deal with
>>44932574iâd argue the alt right is braindead
>>44932586If you think this stuff is uncommon you clearly donât talk to women much! And even besides that thereâs lots of stuff I didnât even mention like reproductive restrictions but that isnât true everywhere but I could keep going while MRA type guys just say bitch and slut and other stuff like that over and over and think thats an argument. Itâs not!
>>44932462Men and women both have shit to deal with. 4chan has a mostly male userbase, so it's no surprise to have a focus on mens issues.You calling mens issues "MRA talking points" should be cause for some introspection tbqh
>>44932515Why are you transitioning to a man if you don't feel good about it lmao?
>>44932629cause i prefer male friendships, being perceived as a male, dating and loving girls as man, having a male body and just being a guy. Itâs just an extra thing to see girls complain about how hard being a girl is that reminds me why iâm never going back
>>44932629nta but because being perceived and treated as female is 100x worse than being perceived and treated as malei hate men but it's safer to be a man than a woman
>>44932462bc men are whiners, also it seems like there is a silly and fraught effort at trying to debate or proselytize on here, case in point posts like âfeminists say we live in a patriarchy but sometimes men have it so hardddd buhhhh theyâre turning the gay men into troonsâ and itâs like what a fagggggg
>>44932677itâs kind of funny to compensate like that but i guess yeah i mean u are moidbrained lol
>>44932627Wdym>>44932718 I literally see men complain like this so much all the time and itâs so annoying like yes please let this man explain why being a woman is actually easier because other men on the internet told him so. Itâs just so annoying
>>44932560>b-b-but muh draft tho
>>44932806Men will believe other men about being a woman before they believe what women say about being a woman. They are proving women's point while denying the point. Very funny to me.
>>44933367It just makes it so hard to have like friendships and relationships with them and it sucks
>>44932462Dysphoric boys are very sensitive to misandry because they want to be lumped in with girls not other males, and it's normal blame males as a category for the actions of a few. This forms their conception of gender dynamics later in life even after they transition. That's the reason if you're interested but everyone ITT just wants to snark the other gender.
>>44933393Well that always just made me hate men when I was a kid but I understand what youâre saying i think
>>44932462because woke controlled the institutions of our society for 10+ years, and made innocent men suffer for no good reason.-troon
>>44933415I'll use my own life as an example. As a 17 year old boymoder applying for college, most top colleges had a gender ratio skewed towards men so to compensate it was common knowledge that women had less strict standards to get in. Most men didn't care but as someone who didn't even want to be lumped in with men it hurt a lot, especially since I was an underrepresented sexual minority to begin with but I was seen as more privileged than popular rich white cis girls.
Men have it worse than women. Proof:1. Nobody in society has it worse than homeless people 2. The factors that cause homelessness are all deeply negative 3. Men are the overwhelming majority of those experiencing homelessness 4. From 1,3 we conclude men have it worse than women by virtue of being the main demographic who has it worse than everyone else5. From 2,3 we conclude men have it worse, too, outside of homelessness because the factors that cause homelessness and prevent leaving it must disproportionately affect men.Sorry the truth hurts
>>44933551and yet you are not homeless nor is society in a way where the variables for homelessness directly affects men, all that means is that there the floor for female failure is higher than the floor for male failure
>>44932462>>44932477cut an incel a transbian bleeds
>>44933377It does suck but there are men out there who don't do this shit. Not a lot of them but they are out there. I've had two best friends in my life and both of them were guys who were not like this at all. You just got to be really picky.
>>44933590>nor is society in a way where the variables for homelessness directly affects menfalse, being this true you would expect either an equal sex distribution of homeless or a skew towards females. A skew towards males means the causes of homelessness directly affect men
>>44933630I forgot to address it, but >all that means is that there the floor for female failure is higher than the floor for male failureyes, this is called privilege. Women are privileged over men in many ways. Glad we could come to an agreement
>>44933646which is different than using this fact as a signal that society hates men >>44933630all men are not homeless but all homeless men are men there's a net to catch womenbut there isnt a net to catch menthis doesnt mean there's a gun launching men into homelessness
>>44933685I don't think society hates men, in the exact way society DOES NOT hate women at all. To the contrary, modern western society loves women and gives them a lot of privilege. The very fact that stating this is considered "misogynistic men's right ativism" is proof of the sheer dominance of feminist dogma over western culture. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect for a concrete, widely agreed upon observation of the sheer amount of positive biases women have going for them.>this doesnt mean there's a gun launching men into homelessnessBut I didn't imply that? You seem to be mistaken, I'm not talking about there being an institutionalized and intentional policy to keep making men homeless. Rather, it's a social, economic and cultural structure that makes men have it worse than women, thus ending up as the majority of homeless people, the fact that there is "no net to catch men" while there is one for women is precisely proof of this
>>44933551Homelessness is a personal failing. If you can't support yourself either through a job or personal connections then society is just filtering you out for being useless.
>>44934382This is not true.>>44933808Delusional. Homelessness is objectively worse for women which is why there is more public interest in preventing it.
>>44932462>a million moids>on ttttare you saying trans women aren't women
>>44935135No most of it is chasers was my point
>>44935052if you're at the point where you're debating whether male hobos or female hobos have it worse you've kinda lost the plot completely lol, what's next, middle class women are worse off than working class men? identity politics are a cancer and I truly hate amerifats for being guilty of it the most
>>44935137youre delusional if you haven't realized a good chunk of this board still has /pol/ brainworms despite transitioning
>>44935137>>44932486Your first reply is saying a trans girl is evidence of your thesis in OP. Sus.
OK nigga and?
>>44935162Well I didnât mean it like that.>>44935146It literally objectively is worse. Homeless moids arent getting raped and sex trafficked. And desu yes I think there is a very good argument that working class men overall have it easier than middle class women. Thatâs not a huge class disparity like working class and rich so it kind of depends
>>44935187lollll you are a retard who doesn't know how identity or class even work. congrats, youre still almost as braindead as the /pol/tards you're complaining about
>>44935187>Thatâs not a huge class disparity like working class and rich so it kind of dependsThe middle class have more in common with "the rich" than they do with proletarians, which is why they always defend capitalism (call it the "patriarchy" if you want) regardless of gender and will gladly use workers as meat shields whenever they're mildly inconvenienced.
>>44935210Yeah sorry I forgot. No war but class war. If we fix income disparity all the other problems in society will magically fix themselves. People with their needs met arenât bigoted which is why rich people are famously progressive and tolerant and dont have secret pedophile neonazi societies.
>>44932462>MRAI haven't heard anyone say that since 2016. Next you're gonna tell me that I'm a "shitlord" and that I need to "check my privilege" for being the world's straightest man
>>44935223Literally just not true.
>>44935235>If we fix income disparitydont ask me how i know youre a petit bourgeois dumbass yourself if this is the extent of your critique and concept of class war LMAO
>>44935248lol ignorant amerilard just learned about feminism and think they get to wokescold others and dont even understand the most basic shit about how class society works and how this shapes gender relations and not the other way around
>>44935248>>44935235>women have it worse because of pay inequality>also solving pay inequality doesn't actually fix anything>also also communism is when tou ake more women CEOsOK this is definitely a fed posting, pack it up girls.>also pay inequality
>>44932462Youre right about moids here but feminism is still a poisonous bourgeois ideology and you have to be very stupid or naive to be trans and be a feminist.
>go on website with maligned reputation for being exclusively edgy men>go to board with 90% of the population being people treated like shit and hatecrimed because they're viewed as men>"why are all these MEN complaining about being treated like MEN?"pretty obvious bait thread, but even so, this isn't the "woman board". even if every group in LGBT was represented equally that would still mean ~50% of the userbase had to deal with these problems.if you're a trans woman and a feminist you are unironically propping up everything that makes your life worse
>>44935445Have you read literally any transfeminist theory or are you just talking out of your ass right now.
>>44935472>transfeminist hahahhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
>>44935493So true if you laugh at it that makes it not real anymore
>>44935500i saved your post, im gonna weaponize it against white people in /v/ and /pw/ when they say whites are superior
>>44935472why would I care what propagandized rubes have to say? no one who hates trans women hates them because they're women. they hate them because they think they're just men trying to perv on cis women. or because they think they're immoral gay men. the entire crux of transphobia hinges on not viewing trans people as their identified gender. there was a point when feminism actually aimed for equity and fairness, and rejected bioessentialist bullshit, but that hasnt been the case in decades. the leading ideological push feminism has had for the last 30 years has been explicitly about painting men as all predator sex pests to the point of treating children as "rapists in training". THIS is why people hate trans women; they view them as men, and they hate men.
>>44935508If you laugh at me AND misgender me that makes it double not true, bestie!!!!>>44935509Again you are literally not operating from a position of reality
>>44935527still wont debate you, sped never was. i was flabbergasted at what you said and im not the oblivious anon (he doesnt realize that arguing with an autist is the most fruitless thing you can do with your limited free time) you're arguing with
>>44935538I fully realize this but I myself am somewhat autistic and also with how easy it is it becomes funny to run mental laps around them.
>>44935549>running mental laps>posting âhahahhahahahâ and not addressing anything I said
>>44935569>too retarded to realize you're talking to 2 different anonsyeah proving my point lolnot to mention you didnt say anything worth addressing. essentially just went "nuh-uh!" over and over.
>>44935573Well if itâs so nothing why do you have nothing to say except call me retarded
>>44935587>>44935509
>>44935599Okay but there is no academic thinking about it any of that. You literally just wrote an essay about vibes and said nothing that can be backed up with anything in real life
>>44935509This is it, if you're born with a y chromosome, society just assumes you are inherently predatory, especially if you attempt to escape this characterization by transitioning. Attempting to subvert one's predetermined genetic standing with gender subterfuge is like an dalit trying to impersonate a brahmin in India. It elicits deep rage for having the gall to reject the natural order of things. Sex is the true Western caste system. That's why terfs use arguments about "safeguarding" and sex-segregated spaces; they have a subliminal cultural resonance in the mind of any given neurotypical Western who has unconsciously been conditioned to understand that male = sexual predator, violent criminal, and rapist, while female = docile, innocent, and pure. This is why transgenderism is more common among autistic individuals, as their differences in perception can result in a failure to internalize the aforementioned dichotomatic caste system of the sexes.
>>44935605male and females have distinct genetic differences that heavily influence behaviour. whatever your cope is, it is a fact that males through history are more likely to rape, be physically abusive, be aggressive or communicate through body language that instills fear in their interlocutors. This is a generality that keeps happening, has always happened, and will always keep happening. There's no need to demonize men nor for men to feel demonized when this is a stark, unavoidable fact. Men dominate society and they have determined insight and self control is gay and cringe and for fags. What are women to do but to defend themselves or create spaces where they are or feel safe? You are antagonizing women for flinching at expecting being punched
>>44935616This is presuming guilt for every male. Most men are not predatory. Transfeminine males are much less likely than cisgender men to commit crimes. Sex-segregation is misandry, and society is misandrist by assuming all men have ill intent.
>>44935616Then don't complain about "invasion" of women's spaces by trannies. The more disenfranchised males figure this out, the more trannies there will be, regardless of true GD.
>>44935616But then its a double standrad no? When less women than men perforem well at a test or they dont go to certain high paying jobs then no one blames genetics and instead tries to encourage women to join via favouring them. Also if we're dong that then what about the fact that racial violence dimorphism is greater than sexual violence dimorphism?Finally if were gunna be bioessentialist then what about the fact that women are rated on average much more attractive them men. So theres a huge underclass of men who are really unaatractive and cant do anything to change it, Isnt that a much ore potent form of suffering even compared to SA? Never being attratctive to someone and thus being forever alone seems like a much worse fate than being raped or SAed once
>>44935604feel free to go over the midwit mental gymnastics going on in your """academic""" books that tries to explain how tradcaths hate trans women for reasons other than viewing them as predators and/or sodomites. a fun thing about academic readings is if it has no bearing on observable reality and rejects decades of studies (in this case, studies on how people react towards men vs women) then it just isnt relevant at all!>>44935605reminder that >there are still many places in the US where "forced to penetrate" is not rape>people throw a shitfit the moment anyone tries to make those laws equal>when men are asked if theyve been subjected to experiences at the hands of women that would constitute rape or sexual assault, most say yes>if a boy is the victim of statutory rape and the woman gets pregnant, hes still legally required to pay child support>>44935616>"males are more aggressive and therefor more likely to rape and be abusive"you're not wrong but I'm sure if I were to describe tendencies in women caused by estrogen you would throw a fit and claim misogyny. >There's no need to demonize men nor for men to feel demonizedand yet people do, and if you're the same anon, you are also doing it. and in addition, men feel demonized BECAUSE THEY ARE>Men dominate societyless so now and its funny that this is still being pushed when we have statistics like "women make up 98% of the new hires in all fields" in the US and have always dominated higher education.>they have determined insight and self control is gay and cringe and for fagsreminder that in most countries, a mans ability to successfully get relationships or hookups directly parallels the likelyhood of him being a rapist. men didnt determine this, women rewarded that behavior. worth mentioning FTMs have constant issues with sex pests cause if theyre on T theyre getting all the horny caveman brain shit without any of the social conditioning men are subjected to to learn to control themselves.
>>44935676>>44935669you tell em
>>44935604Oh. My. Science. Do i have some studies for you.https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1368430218812660?icid=int.sj-full-text.similar-articles.0https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1536504215596943
because 4chan is mostly men, and mostly chuds at that. Even if they transition, it probably wont change their worldview too deeply, and it's even less likely to change their underlying patterns of though
>>44935676>no u>but what about u>what about this space that doesn't rule out cultural hegemony >, a mans ability to successfully get relationships or hookups directly parallels the likelyhood of him being a rapist.dishonest framing, this is one cherry picked factor, that even if true, that you didnt provide proof oflow iq response, wont humor itapply yourself>>44935669>Finally if were gunna be bioessentialist then what about the fact that women are rated on average much more attractive them menwhat does that have to do with anything? there are so many confluences here, most of which are understudied and perhaps so abstract that they're undetectable > So theres a huge underclass of men who are really unaatractive and cant do anything to change it, Isnt that a much ore potent form of suffering even compared to SAjust wanted to tell you sane people (including educated men) have to do the self deprecation dog and pony show because of men like you another day of autistic moids missing the forest for the trees and wondering why theyre alone and hated
>>44935773You aren't special for having another X chromy.
>>44932489>ethnoculture of people that weakens and subverts western society from within>behaves similarly to women What does it mean?
>>44935780I'm sorry but the Jews are based. Bible says eunuch are blessed. If the really did create transgenderism, Hashem bless them.
>>44932462Please fuck off to /clg/ or tumblr or Xitter, this is the only place we ngmi troons have.
>>44932542It didn't used to be like this. Can we tell incels not to transition
No one trusts people like >>44935235 because leftists always smuggle in their identitarian BS and think people donât notice it.No war but class war (but also fuck the white cis hetero men, you criticising women or my pet browns is beyond the pale)
>>44935793If the pinkpill works there's not reason for them not to. Even a transbian polycule full of hons is better than being a khhv.
>>44935773God gay men are so based. Imagine not dealing with this entitlement.
>>44935773setting aside your instant willingness to handwave your own cognitive dissonance and hypocritical stances, its an extremely funny take to claim women are getting all the jobs and have always had an easier time in education (which studies have consistently found to be based on social biases and not actual merits, fyi) out of some bid from The Powers That Be to maintain their positions and shape culture while at the same time maintaining belief that "men control everything". either you have to admit to apex fallacy or come up with some inane conspiracy theory for how women getting such an absurd amount of support and free passes somehow exclusively benefits men. but I expect you'll just handwave again.and the bit trying to demonize autistic men is really the cherry on top https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40700#Sec17https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5789215/#sec11>>44935793I would probably write multiple paragraphs on this statement alone because its indicative of a slew of the worst aspects of gender discourse and how trans issues fit in. it flies in the face of all the claims that being trans isnt a choice, and it establishes the belief that autonomy should only be granted to people who agree with you and/or based off of lookism, and these are before getting into the bit the other anon mentioned where if an "incel" can transition despite "not being trans" and it dramatically improves their quality of life, what does that say about the state of the world and the experiences of the male gender?
>>44935773Again if one was to acept the explanatory framework that you're propagating (that the differnce in agression etc is genetic) then this also applies to other traits. We already know via parental investment theory that men are more attracted to women than women to men and as a corollary women are the more attractive sex (even male-attracted women rate the avg woman as more attractive than the average man).And we know that this is genetic and innate, its not sociological beacuse "men put in less effort" Now since humans are serially monogamous its possible that the amount of relationships be differently disturbuted between men and women.So theres a much larger group of inherently romantically unsuccessful men than women who can do very little to chnage their sitution.And thus its a gendered form of suffering.But society takes womans gendered from of suffering much more seriously (rapes and SA) vs males gendered form of suffering despite the fact that being innately unattractive and unloveable is much worse fate.>>44935793I was a libfem before I started listening to terf rethoric and noticing a disconnect before what terfs said and the actual ground reality. Radical feinism is even more delusional than liberal feminism which i still maintain affection for) and anyway most "radfems" today are two dolllar store chauvinists
>>44933377Then don't
>>44935763That doesnât prove your point at all and the article is locked in a paywall but what is there doesnât specifically say itâs because anyone is seeing trans women as men. I wonât tell you to read theory because apparently thatâs stupid to think anyone should try to understand foundational concepts like transmisogyny but nothing in what you sent contradicts anything i was saying
>>44932560Women's issue(s). Deciding they didn't like consensual sex a few years ago and it's now rape. Defending murdering fetuses and SIDS. Men's issuesHiring inequality among young men. Educational inequality with women. Unequal laws favoring women. Draft and forced conscription. Male genital mutilation normalized.
>>44936025Literal incel talking points. No, nobody thinks itâs rape to regret sex later and that is not law anywhere. And yeah abortion is a human right sorry. You cannot force someone to carry a pregnancy to term that they donât want, itâs barbaric. You know people die in childbirth all the time
>>44936005Get an academic library account pleb
>>44936034Circumcision is still genital mutilation yet the mildest forms of fgm, like pricking, are considered human rights abuses while literally cutting part of a baby boy's dick off is okay ig.
>>44936005>muh theoryMental midget shit lmao
>>44936005The abstract is pretty fucking clear. Why else would they be uncomfortable?
>>44936051https://sci-hub.st/storage/2024/7389/0686630c10644dbb15d3cbf648c0c28e/outten2019.pdf#navpanes=0&view=FitHYour article is shit>>44936034>No, nobody thinks itâs rape to regret sex later and that is not law anywhere.Literally the cornell case, retard. She changed her story so many times and Radfems are crying all over the news about this bs. She admitted it was consensual and changed her story about something that happened literal years ago. Even women I know care about this bs false rape accusations.
>>44936005Transphobes:>"We oppose trans rights because we want to protect women and children from being sex crimed!"Feminists:>"Men are all potential rapists and murderers!"You:>"Males through history are more likely to rape, be physically abusive, be aggressive or communicate through body language that instills fear in their interlocutors."Somehow, also you>"Transphobes don't just view trans women as men."transphobes could not be more open and explicit about their beliefs and rationale but you're bending over backwards to deny it. transphobic rhetoric towards trans women is in so many ways 1:1 with the rhetoric leveled at gay men in the past, and even more, the rhetoric leveled at trans men - that theyre all just dumb immature women 'going through a phase' - mirrors rhetoric leveled at lesbians. but you're going to continue to sit here and abstract allude to the idea that erm akshully transphobes are super supportive of trans womens gender identity and just hate women soooooo much that theyre happy to have an acceptable type of woman to dunk on!but even that wouldnt hold any water, because you also maintain the belief that "men dominate society" and would thus control the dialogue on who is acceptable to marginalize and there wouldnt be any reason that trans women would get treatment so much harsher than cis women if their only motivational reasoning was that they view them as women.
>>44936102How based can this anon be?
for whatever reason im only just now realizing how often people regurgitate feminist rhetoric in such a way that can only be described as bordering on conspiracy theory level thinking, or the same kind of delusional denial that many christians operate under.>>44935773see this post. when confronted with trends backed by statistics showcasing that women are overwhelmingly benefitted far more in todays economy and education, in terms of income, job and schooling availability, and even the impact higher education has on their potential income, its handwaved because it "doesn't rule out cultural hegemony". what this means in practice is they're basically saying "society moves in mysterious ways". they maintain the belief that those in power are nearly exclusively men, acting near exclusively for the benefit of men, and are subtly guiding all of society through social discourse and cultural trends in such a way to benefit themselves and subjugate everyone else, and yet somehow, all that social discourse, all the support structures, all the laws and regulations, are being implemented in ways to explicitly benefit women and no one else. and somehow this is part of their grand scheme to, I guess subjugate and keep women as a permanent victim class? somehow?it all reeks of the same pseud mindset many conspiracy theorists give off; they truly believe everything theyre saying and consider it to be blatantly obvious and self evident even when nothing lines up. they depict a shadowy upper caste of elites who control anything and everything, whos motivations are simply evil for the sake of evil, or even just unknowable, and claim them to be capable of altering all of society on a whim, yet position themselves as being just soooo smart that theyve cracked the code and caught them red handed and are outwitting them at every step, even when their actions do nothing but benefit the changes these supposed elites want to incite.
>>44932462Because on this website we canât have anything nice, we havenât had anything nice for more than a decade and even before that it wasnât great :/ we couldnât have intergen because there were like 5 of us and it would degrade into argument, we canât keep fun threads up over any type of hobby wanting to connect with other fags over things we enjoy, every thread is spammed by soi itâs just tiresome. Thereâs nothing to enjoy in this mess, this is a website filled with coprophiliacs since all we ever do is just consume more of this shit :(
>>44932560Being a man is easy, just ask this woman.
>>44932462why would the LGBT board be about women's issues? do you think women are inherently gay?
>>44936469they view gender on a binary of "man" and "everything else" and everything in regards to sexuality flows out of that view
>>44932462It's completely retarded for trans women to subscribe to misandrist beliefs when the most sworn advocates of misandry will see them as perverted males trying to usurp the holy female privilege.
the only rational position when youre trans and poor is to be both a misandrist and an anti feminist>>44932560>>pay inequalityim a woman working minimum wage idgaf about helping white collar women earn even more money
>>44935669>Also if we're dong that then what about the fact that racial violence dimorphism is greater than sexual violence dimorphism?During civil rights in the 60s it was suddenly unacceptable for high-status academic women to be racist against black men, my headcanon is that third wave feminism which grew at the same time is just the bandwagon they hopped onto to continue hating (a broader category) of men.
>>44935669>Never being attratctive to someone and thus being forever alone seems like a much worse fate than being raped or SAed oncelmfao
autists should be extended some sympathy but most of them especially the moids expect people to cater to them completely and then you get the terrible takes ITT lol
>>44937358Nearly every post in here is made by a moid save for the two poonposts
>>44932462You have to keep in mind that like 80% of it is made by one guy.
>>44937358Not our fault we have a great sense for justice and see that the world fails to live up to it in every single way. This is not coming from a sense of entitlement, but even if it was then society has clearly failed because it feels entitled to people's slave labor while giving nothing in return. Don't pretend otherwise, you would be dead wrong. We'd just like to not be kicked and dehumanized while we're down. We want to be loved and have compassionate relationships with people like anyone else, but our disability makes it difficult and the world is becoming increasingly dystopian.
>>44938363>we have a great sense for justiceyeah like claiming being unattractive is worse than getting raped, right?
>>44938015*3 guys.And I am one of them. The gist of it is this: Matriarchal castration rituals do not need to be done on gay men. Castrated gay men are not straight women. Estrogen is homophobic. AGPs do not belong with G(male)B (drop the L(foid)BTQ). Women are homophobic and women's spaces need to be dismantled. Men are not more dangerous than women, we are overpoliced.
>>44938553>putting words in my mouthI want to find common ground with you so bad but your misandry is off the charts. I'm tired of women constantly diminishing men's experiences. Yes, I know rape is bad. The vast majority of people in society know it is bad. Many men would love to be left alone with a tied up rapist and a baseball bat if it happened to a female family member. Yet despite this, no one gives a shit about men's problems. Being a woman comes with problems, but jesus christ imagine being born as a low value male. Women have plenty of shitty options, but at least they have some good options. Men that biology and genetics determine were never meant to reproduce have no options at all. No option but to take society's abuse which claims that happiness and love shouldn't be basic human rights. And I'm not even talking about government mandated girlfriends or any of that disgusting crap. Just an acknowledgement that it's not our fault. We did get screwed over. I just want some basic goddamn compassion but no one is giving it to me. I hate the world.
>>44938716>>putting words in my mouthjust above>>Never being attratctive to someone and thus being forever alone seems like a much worse fate than being raped or SAed onceidc if you arent the same poster, this whole thread just stinks
>>44938553>>44937348It very clearly is , and gencrit detranners prove it, they say oh its sooooo traumatic that i got sexualized and sooo sad thats why i became a man. But then they complain far more and far louder about how T destroyed their beauty and how they could never get a BF etc.And yes it is many times worse Being ugly causes an immense violation on every level every time you look at a mirror is a reminedr that one cannot ever ever be happy. You receve no societal support if youre male but only endless demonization. People hate looking at yor face and judge you. And worst of all you'll never feel what its like to love and trust another human being as a life partner.So yes its worse and its a genderd form of suffering which no one cares about.>>44938735Thats another poster, but why are you so resistant about even considering the idea? Is it because you believe that any form of suffering in which males are overrepresentaed is not that bad?
>>44938608>Men are not more dangerous than womenAbsolute retardation. This has to be a bot. Gives the same retarded arguments again and again. For months on now. Or maybe even years? I've only been on this site for 3-4 months.
>>44938760>thats another poster but also i completely agree with their pointhahahaha holy shit
>>44938716>happiness and love shouldn't be basic human rights.Absolute retardation again. Love can't be a basic human right. Because it involves two people with agency. Forcing other people to love you, is harassment.You're a whiny rapist wannabe little bitch
Women are famously starved for spaces where they can voice their concerns.
>>44938760>but why are you so resistant about even considering the idea?They idea that >being forever alone seems like a much worse fate than being raped or SAed once?Because it's a retarded ass idea. Does this person believe that ugly women don't exist, and that they don't get SAd?
>>44938716You're right and have my sympathy.
>>44939027I worded that wrong, but did you read the part in my reply where I said the concept of state mandated girlfriends is disgusting? Or even culturally or religiously enforced ownership of women by husbands and fathers. But no, you hate men so much that you're determined to justify calling me a rapist. Well I think you're fat as fuck, and deeply unhappy considering you're a woman on fucking 4chan. Hope life gets better for both of us, I suppose.
>>44939063Rape is a one-off thing. You can get therapy, heal over time, etc. Being forever unloved is an inescapable, lifelong condition which makes it at least a 10 times worse. If i could trade all my permanent disabilities for one bad night i would do so in a heartbeat.
>>44932462It's 4chan. This board is made up primarily of young, dumb troons. They'll grow out of it as they get older and gain more life experience.
>>44933599Transbians are the best of both worlds. They love women and also stick up for incels. What's not to love?
>>44939108>Rape is a one-off thingFor most people, it's not. It's a bad memory that can show up in your mind, after the tiniest most random trigger. Unironically, kill yourself. Not only is your body ugly (as you claim), but you also let your mind become rotten. And now you'll start blaming society and your untouched pee pee, for your insensitive retarded ass words. Kill yourself.
>>44939090>but did you read the part in my reply where I said the concept of state mandated girlfriends is disgusting?Then do tell. How does ''love is a human right'' idea works? Again, you're a whiny little bitch.
>>44939272Society should strive to make every member feel that they are loved, instead of treating them like subhuman trash.
>>44939252I hope you wake up with a sub 5 moid body tomorrow. I'd give it one month before you'd rope.
>>44939252Rape is <literally> is a one-off thing whose psychological trauma can (hopefully) be mitigated over time. Meanwhile people like myself get spiritually raped every single fucking day we wake up for reasons utterly outside our control. Quite frankly having ONE FUCKING BAD DAY does not compare and you are genuinely a piece of shit for not even trying to empathize with me.
>>44939359>spiritually rapedaka not rape
>>44932462essentially the rise of the AMAB/AFAB dichotomy is slowly making transition a non-reality. you can get whatever surgeries you want, but the box of AMAB or AFAB will always remain around you. this then forces you back into a forced logic of MRAs vs feminists, because youre not a woman anymore, youre an AMAB, and your rights are contingent on that """fact""".on the bright side, welcome back to being in the same group as twinks and fags. we missed you.
>>44939426Based
>>44939382>aka not rapeI swear you treat rape like it's an infinity holocaust purely as an performance to indulge in the fantasy of being part of the worlds ultimate victim class 24/7. Dare i ask... if rape is truly soooooooo awful why do more than half of women fantasize about it?
>>44939469Because women are retarded. They would applaud violently flaying children alive if you told them to
>>44939438its not amazingly based at all desu. if such a thing were to occur it should be on our terms. if anything we need to get to work making some kind of safety net for the people whove through no will of their own been thrown down into the pit, and ask them to remember what occurred and on whos terms after all is said and done.
>>44939536Too bad afabs run society so you're never getting any of that.
>>44939426The only people obsessed with the amab afab shit are conservatives and trans men who I hate just as much as cis men so sorry but thatâs not convincing me.
I'm a man who was raped by my ex (AFAB) and having another ex cheat on me was a million times more traumatic. The reason women, cis or trans, are quick to downplay the mental anguish stemming from a lack of connection is because they know, consciously or not, that they have near infinite chances. There will always be another person. There will always be multiple options. The reality that they could die alone is alien to them because people trip over themselves to offer them companionship. When you point this out, they'll be confused, they'll go "well I am not offered these things!" but when you actually dig into it, they're just ignoring it because a fish doesn't know when it's wet. Women are, due to a lack of experience and peoples overall inability to actualize their theory of mind, incapable of grappling with the idea that men have a completely different experience to them. Women have tried to comfort me about relationship woes - enduring some of the most comically evil behavior one possibly could - under the argument of "you'll find someone else!"There hasn't been anyone else, and there never will be, because the reality of being a man is one of cold apathy and isolation, and only being valued for your performativity or when it's convenient. For me to have a 'good' relationship would require the same level of devotion and support I've offered and would offer, but women simply do not offer those things, and they do not pick their relationships on any sort of meritocracy. Perfect performance isn't even enough, it isn't even enough to stop being dehumanized. It gets you nothing, really. And one of the most cruel punishments we as a society still use to this day is solitary confinement. A punishment that is leveled baselessly and zealously, in particularly against ND men, and every piece of evidence shows this, but people wanna live in denial that they're cruel and awful, so they make up fantasy justifications to placate their own sociopathic mentality.
>>44940206Literally just go out and talk to people dude. Like im sorry you feel like this and everything but it really isnât hard to make a shit ton of friends if you put in any effort.
>>44940272Just go to the gym and get hobbies bro it'll DEFINITELY make up for getting raped and cheated on as well as the disparity between the dating experience of both sexes.
>>44940307Whatever I was just trying to help
>>44940316Your advice was unspecific and as useful as silence if not less so
>>44940272The aforementioned lack of theory of mind. I did this for years. Went to every social event relevant to my interests, clubs, concerts, whatever else, and made no connections, no matter what I tried. Part of this is where I live. Part of it is the specific interests I have and how I engage in them. The biggest part of it is just that I am ND and, as studies have repeatedly shown, people can subconsciously detect when a man is ND from brief interactions or even just still images, and will treat him significantly worse based off of nothing but 'vibes', with people actually responding POSITIVELY to the things they say when divorced from their body language, tone, and how they look. I worked retail and got glowing praise for my customer service. In uni, in classes discussing abstract or complicated topics, people would randomly compliment me on my ability to reiterate things to be easier to understand. I am undeniably good at communicating, but the only time I don't give people "bad vibes" is when I put on a facade; the customer service voice/mannerisms or the polite academic schtick. But even then, this is just on the topic of 'making friends'. I continue to meet people online who share my interests, because no one IRL does. The people who might are likely in the same boat and decided they also have no reason to go out and do exactly what you're suggesting. But the bigger issue is the relationship aspect. The list of things I have done for my ex's is absurdly long and I am constantly reminded that I have been burned to an absurd degree because whenever anyone talks about actions that "represent true love" it's always something I had done for someone that was never reciprocated. I would not be content with a life where I was forever single, but I cannot make anyone value me or even treat me fairly. And so the only way I could ever not be alone is if I capitulated and pretended nothing was wrong and performed for someone who doesn't actually care about me.
>>44939929i think youre missing the wood for the trees
>>44940482Okay well im neurodivergent and I have no problems at all if anything people think itâs cute and funny, so unless itâs just magically different for men I think you are selling short how much you can get done and how much people would like you if you try
>>44936025>Defending murdering fetusesCis men used to hit each other with mustard gas in trenches and shoot up schools, but god forbid you kill a baby.... That's not right
>>44941501LITERALLY
>>44941458>unless itâs just magically different for menYes, anon. People treat men and women differently. Autistic womens ability to get relationships is on parity with cis womens while autistic mens ability to get relationships is about 1/5th of the average despite almost always reporting a higher desire for relationships. A woman with my exact personality and interests would be drowned in people trying to ingratiate themselves, wanting to have a relationship.
>>44941811Well I donât believe that. If anything I find neurodivergent men usually have an easier time than me overall because they are taken more serious and dont get assumed that their slow or stupid
>>44941850Then you just don't believe reality. And your rationale is conflating "viewed as intelligent" as "viewed as someone worth being friends with/having a relationship with". They're valued as tools and hot take aggregators and not as people with emotions.
>>44941877You can make friends if you try. I cannot wave a magic wand and make people stop talking to me like im stupid or a child
>>44941894You're complaining about being treated as stupid or a child while engaging in this back and worth where you're consistently ignoring one of the biggest points in my rant(s). I don't know what you expect me to say.
>>44941850>Well i don't believe observable reality and countless studies so.
>>44941850when I started passing being noticeably autistic went from "creepy incel" to "quirky girl" despite not changing my behavior autism is just one area men have it worse
>>44941950>>44941962>>44942020Okay, whatever. My ACTUAL POINT is just that I am sick of everyone on this board pretending like women have these oh so perfect lives and being a man is just so much worse. Thatâs all I said, thatâs all this thread is.
>>44942101I don't think men have it worse in 90% of instances because it's just obvious when you troon out but one area is anything requiring sympathy it is granted for women but not for men like if I go out unshowered and visibly depressed now that I'm perceived as a woman I get people asking if I'm okay but as a man it's treated as a personal failing and marks you as a target for harassment. in any context where you need to be respected or taken seriously women are treated much worse to an incomparable degree, but if someone is on 4chan they're usually not in high status position or anything requiring respect but in a failure role so from their POV they see women getting sympathy for the same thing and don't have experience of the actual benefits of being a man so they end up coming to the conclusion being a woman is easier.
>>44942149Well itâs annoying that they just only say one side over and over like that.
>>44942149Retardblabber. Women are 98% of new hires. Women are 98% of new hires. Women make up rape accusations from years or decades ago and get rewarded for lying. The Matriarchal gynocracy of foid worshipping boomer retards believes in "equal rights, zero accountability" for foids. Men get the death penalty for things women only get life imprisonment for. Men, on average, receive 7 more years sentencing for the same crime (severity and victims). Women can rape young children and sue them for child support. TFD TFD TFD
>>44942199>waaah waaah!!!! Men get punished for rape even if they thought it was long enough ago that they got a way with it, and get the death penalty when they murder 9 people!!!! Itâs the heckin foids fault men keep committing crimes!!!!!
>>44942288Waaah. Lindsay Clancy's husband was the murderer even though she admitted to it. Let's bully this black male judge into voting for her to get permanently released in 6 months from a mental hospital. Waaah, 2 years ago this foid slut let men have consensual sex with her. Now, she changed her story so she can try getting financial composition. Believe all women!
>>44942308Writing fan fiction about what the person your arguing with doesnât make you look better fyi
>>44932806>yes please let this man explain why being a woman is actually easier because other men on the internet told him soBeing a woman is measurably easier. Denying that makes you a denier of reality, lol.I literally got a better job (and got promoted twice) solely because my passport now says F.Not to mention that basically 100% of the people have almost overnight moved to treating me waaaay better as soon as my FFS healed and started being read as a quirky woman rather than a short nerd.>>44935445This.Being a misandrist won't make any tranny pass better. Quite the opposite. It's a further social nuke.
>>44942319Larp larp larp sahur
>>44942335You may want to read up on legislation: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20221118IPR55706/parliament-approves-landmark-rules-to-boost-gender-equality-on-corporate-boardsIn the EU, companies bigger than 200 employees get penalized if they don't have enough women in managerial positions. And it's not just "the boards" but all managerial positions. I just took advantage of that law.There's nothing even remotely close to that for young men (the most marginalized group by far).You can cry larp sahur all you want, it won't change reality of both policy and lived experiences.
>>44942361>most marginalized group by far>young menlol. Lmao, even.
>>44942394Who do you think it is? Foids who get giga DEI and hiring incentives. From how much government support foids need, you'd think being a woman is a disability (other than mental retardation). >>44942318No fanfiction required. I am talking about the Cornell Case and the Clancy case. I don't keep up to date with all women's wrongs
>>44942199>>44942319>>44942361if you actually look like a woman going into any male dominated space is basically putting yourself in the rape pit plus the UK is full of subhumans so why should their laws matter to me
>>44942422>the UKI live in a civilized country. So not in the UK.You do realize that the EU laws don't apply to the UK, right?
>>44942530idc there's only fagslop countries in the EU
>>44942542Still superiour to Burgeristan.The only reason the UK exists is so Burgeristan doesn't always end up being the worst place on Earth.
>>44942545cope
I am a cis bisexual man who doesn't look like a woman. Most trans maxxers agree with me though.
>>44942586transmaxxers are just coping trannies with severe mental retardation
>>44942101I was writing out a long ass post trying to make concessions and acknowledge things and sort of extend an olive branch but I realized there's no point because every step of the way you've been dismissive and argumentative about the existence of problems I have. At the end of the day women have infinite support systems. Homeless shelters specifically for them. Widescale government programs to ensure they get nice jobs. Biased school systems where teachers have consistently been found to give out better grades if they're told the person who did the work was a woman. Rape statistics are the hottest button issue on the gender divide but when you actually apply the definition fairly and ask men less direct questions about their experiences (because if you ask "have you been raped" they'll always say no since they've been conditioned to believe they cant) the gap is not remotely as large as people make it out to be, and nothing is being done about it because, again, widespread belief that men CANT be raped. Even when it comes to getting positions with the most power (politically and economically) there's a very direct effort to put more women into those positions. You constantly hear people acting like women have perfect lives because they - rightfully - believe if they had ANY of those support systems, they would not be as fucked in life as they are.
>>44942688 I was raped as a guy and got support super easily thoughbeit
>>44942715A woman would have gotten support even easier.
>>44942715Was the rapist a man or a woman, and how old were you?
lowest IQ thread in /lgbt/ right nowthe autism concentration and hyper-fixation on one factor to develop an entire narrative is crazy
