What were your experiences with nudity and locker rooms like?
>>44941039i just simply skipped showering and just stopped doing things that required using a locker room entirely when i had the option.
>>44941066Based
>>44941039I remember wearing fucking jeans to gym class and wearing the jeans in the shower just leaning my upper body into it. But mostly just didn’t shower at all
>>44941039I skipped showering or did it in my swim trunks like in the pic. The one time I had to shower with another boy there he was one of the few that was even more shy than I was so it wasn't a problem thankfully... When I had to change in the open every boy there made fun of me for being short and for having "tightly whiteys". There was a larger chad type dude who spanked me one time which made me feel disgusting, but he stopped after that because everyone called him a faggot for it.One time I tried changing in a stall and got mercilessly mocked for it, and the guys doing it claimed to "need to shit" but literally the two stalls next to mine were empty...I never once in my life stood up to pee in public so in school I would always go to the most remote bathroom in the whole school and try to sit down in a stall to pee quickly before someone else came in. Sometimes someone would come in so I'd have to pretend to be shitting until they left... I got a few UTIs in high school despite having a penis back then, because I would mostly hold it in all day.
>>44941039always thought it was weird, especially the old dudes hanging around talking to kidsI avoid it at all cost now cause troon
>>44941039I didn’t then I was told to wear trunks and as a result of hormonal and a physical difference when I had to be naked I was assaulted and harassed relentlessly. It was around the time that a student assaulted me to the degree of breaking my femur I didn’t have to take gym class afterwards and now I have uneven legs and a slight limp which help reminds me daily I don’t belong
Everyone has been atomized from one another. You have to trust the people around you to be naked casually. We have lost societal trust. Everyone is like a wounded animal now afraid to show vulnerabilities.
>>44941731Why should random boomers be able to see me naked?
>>44941039I mastered the ability to take a shirt of under another shirt, so I'd just slip the shirt I was going to wear on over the other one and slipped out of the one I was taking off and pulled it out of the collar. Did this both ways. I had gyno too so the very idea of exposing my chest to anyone was a nightmare. Nobody at all used the showers though, ever, so that never came up.
Either got there early or waited for everyone else to leave if I couldn't find a place with some privacy. Locker rooms are dumb.
>>44941731>We have lost societal trustEveryone didn't carry high definition cameras in their pockets back then
>>44942752Locker rooms are a human rights violation unironically, especially for vulnerable trannies
>>44941122>jeans in the shower
people have their innocence shattered before they become comfortable around other men naked I think the puritanism of our modern day also instills a lot of shame around nudity
I never took my undies off and tried to show as little of my chest and groin as possible. my school didn't have showers or anything like that so that helped
>>44942929lol where do you get these
i didnt really have a problem with it, guess im faketrans
>>44941039I've always just used a stall and have no desire to ever be nude around random strangers
>>44943616Yeah i only had to change in 6th grade before I switched schools and pe was a joke so we didn't, but even then there were no showers and no one got naked. I would always face a corner when changing shirts to hide my gyno tits though.
>>44943638yeah u are
>>44941039You'll never convince me that getting naked around your friends is anything other than weird disgusting boomer shit.Imagine your friends knowing exactly what your naked body looks like. Like, I'm not the fucking weird one here lmao
>>44943987It is boomer shit, we had a very real and weird problem of the gym teacher who watched us shower and made comments on cleaning techniques, but then again who gaf when our math instructor and teacher and women’s track coached announced his love for a 16yo in class and his wet dreams about her.
>>44943994i wonder how much of "gen z puritan culture" is just them finally putting their foot down about pervs, and the pervs are getting angry.
>>44944001I hate this stupid "anti puritan culture" shit I get to some extent sex shouldn't be vilified but I dont want to see porn everywhere. People anti puritan are just as if not more annoying then puritans
>>44943987Me and my girl friends have all changed in front of each other this is just normal
>>44943994crazy how gay men manage to worm their way into jobs where they can see boys naked you would think at some point someone would have a problem with it
>>44944015gooners want their fucking goonslop everywhere, in your movies, your tv shows, your ads, your restaurant service, etc. they won't stop until everything has been made horny again (you know, cause it's so progressive!)
>>44944017So you have a mental image of all your friends nude? That's not weird to you?
>>44944021I fucking hate it. Ive been trying to beat my porn addiction for a while and whenever I get somewhere theres just porn no matter what website I use.
>>44944001My guess 50/50, I’m a millennial but it was bad there with weird sex stuff especially around health/athletics>guy sexually harassed me and others raped a 12yo girl in the bathroom when he was 18 (still in school), his wrestling coach/our gym teacher defending him >the chemistry teacher who was also the volley ball coach having “slumber parties” with the students, the man was in his mid 50s and would only do this when his wife was out of town>lots of back massages from the computer/html teacher>teachers standing at the door of the showers to watch the kids >3 teachers arrested for having csam material on their laptops while I was in school I think a majority of boomers have some real demons and I don’t blame Gen Z for being closed off
>>44944015>I dont want to see porn everywhere.this is pretty much a self inflicted problem caused by everyone congregating in a handful of internet ghettos while letting dedicated websites & forums die off.
>>44941039>middle school swimming unit>braighdexnne jaydencunts + broccolihead wiggertards throwing soap at each other over stalls pretending they were cumming and actually beating off in the showers making full eye contact with everyone else in locker room>still get clowned for being openly queeri also saw hella geeezersack at the ymca as a kid not goodi did spit in this serbian immigrant trumptard's locker every day for like 2 years straight though that was funny
>>44944031yeah sometimes i view it as boomers all got molested and so they think you should be too. probably not a fair assessment but that's the vibe
>>44941039Managed to always get out of having to change with everyone else by saying I was embarrassed about all the scaring and that got people to give me my own space. In Uni that didn’t work so I just changed in the men’s room stalls. No biggie and you get good at it.
>>44944031Guess who didn't rape her in the bathroom? A tranny. But fr, that's incredibly fucked. Boomers genuinely grew up in a culture where they couldn't question authority or else they'd be ostracized as a hippie subversive. That meant a lot of weird sexual abuses happened that led to the boomers themselves having fucked up boundaries and sexual proclivities.
>>44944038>middle school swimming unitMinnesota?
>>44944044Why did you have to change in uni? What school did you go to?
>>44944084Not gonna give out my Uni, but would go to the Rec center, for rock climbing, machines, or Swimming. If was coming from classes I preferred to change, but I don’t belong in the women’s locker.
>>44944092Oh so it's a voluntary thing. Do you ever intend on using a women's locker room if you fully pass?
>>44944096Different guy but I probably wouldn't. Not while transphobia is high as it is right now.
>>44944103Even if you straight up looked like a girl? Sounds scary.
>>44944096It dosent matter if I pass, cis-women have made it clear often enough, they don’t want me there. I’m not a woman, I’ll survive using the men’s locker. Seems decent thing to do.
>>44944131Yeah honestly. Could look 100% like a cis girl and even if I knew there was a 100% chance I dont get noticed I couldnt swallow the fear enough to do it.
>>44944139What happened?
>>44944077midwest close enough
>>44944143Nothing to me, other than being glared at everywhere I go, but you would have ti be a grade-A retard to not notice that real women don’t want trannies in their spaces. We are not equals.Isn’t that enough?
>>44944172at some point i think trannies need to just assert themselves if your jurisdiction allows it. not hons tho
>>44944180Unfortunately the cissoids are correct in almost all regards :(
>>44944199How so?
>>44944203We are still all freakish mutilated men, any objection raised on those grounds is hard to “assert” ourselves over, not to mention logically sound. I can live in this freakish way, but u have no misgivings about forcefully inserting myself into public life where I am not wanted. Simple as :)
>>44944209Everytime i go on this board I get reminded I havent hit rock bottom this is one of the saddest things ive read.
>>44944216¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>44941039I lucked out by being stealth in high school but the locker room was hands down the most stressful part of it all. I'd only go in there to change from jeans to athletic/basketball shorts as per the PE dress code and then run out of there in 2 minutes without touching anything else. Was terrified of getting clocked by a room full of conservative guys. Nobody showered, so I didn't stand out in that respect at least. God I hated high school
>>44944245Damn how tall as you ftmchad
>>449443435'2, normally that's extreme manlet tier but this was a heavily Mexican-American area and I knew a few cis boys my age who were shorter than me so it was more like moderate/light manlet tier
>>44944025Yeah I know what they look like naked, how is it weird it’s just our bodies and sometimes you need to help someone into a dress
>>44941039Oh I just ran away during that class.
>>44944245MTF girl that was my experience in hs and culinary school very carefully changing to hide my downstairs, I’m in liberal California but 15 years ago when this was my situation it was scary
>>44944359We probably had similar social climates, I'm also in California but in the rural portion where hatecrimes are still fairly common. I left high school very recently and got robbed over being gay there. Glad to be out lol
>>44944373I was rural California too but I’ve been out of school for a long time, I just got bullied for being gay until I moved and went stealth then I was just a straight girl
>>44941039I've never had much trouble avoiding them, you can just change in a single bathroom>>44944172>>44944209you should avoid foid spaces because it's awkward for you not because you care about people who hate you
>>44944359You were using the girls locker room 15 years ago as a tranny? That's crazy.
>>44944413I passed and was stealth i just got shown to then at new places and never said shit.Very lucky on voice and im 5'3"
>>44941039I just didn't change my clothes or shower at all. So I was sweaty and gross half the day
>>44941039i guess it's been pretty mixed as i grew up in america but i’ve since moved to finland and Sauna and public nudity go hand in hand and for people here it's very normal. i think americans in general are just much more reserved, we are more private when it comes to our bodies. Europeans don't give a fuck, i’ve seen like almost everyone i know here naked and it's weird but at the same time it just feels normal now
Wouldn't know. I got sexually harassed for growing breasts at 12. It progressed to bullying and then to an attempted murder. It was the late 90s and early 2000s, and I wasn't allowed to use a private room nor allowed to use the girls. Before that, I would try to hide and would only change after everyone else had already left. I transfered schools and skipped gym from then on.Now, whenever I go to the pool, I just use a stall. Seems most people, including older women, here do the same. I do not shower at the pool, or shower in my swimsuit.>>44941445Yeah, same. After the murder attempt, I was allowed to use teacher toilets, their bathrooms had an actual locked door. But the gym teacher wouldn't let me, so I just started skipping.>>44943994One gym teacher was a lesbian. She apparently set up hidden cameras, huge scandal here that got swept under the rug. She was let go, and nothing came of it.Class of '09 was a documentary, I swear to god.
I was harassed in the showers in middle school PE. I was so scared of physical assaults, stolen stuff, and having my body visible to others that I wore my gym shorts and shirt under my baggy classwear. I'd put everything in my backpack, padlock the zippers, then lock the backpack in a dial locked locker which I never opened around other people. I ran late to role call but I was too scared of being bullied to do any different. It haunted me well into adulthood. Now I can be shirtless at the gym showers without much trouble, but I wrap a towel around my waist at least.
>>44941039People under a certain age have been endlessly told that a pedophile is waiting around every corner and every other man is a groomer, so naturally they like to cover up and protect themselves, and this attitude goes into adulthood. Boomers lived in a generation that wasn't obsessed with pedos. Also boomers didn't assume every other guy was gay and checking them out, whereas now everyone is a damn queer-o-sexual so people are more on edge about people around gooning to them. Also everyone has a fucking camera in their pocket and might try and take nude pics.Just a different world. And yes, zoomers are insufferable prudes.
>>44944001Edgy millennnials groomed all of us on the cord and now they're mad that we have issues with our sexualities
>>44943987Your fear of the natural, unclothed human form is the weird thing here and the undeniable outlier of all of human history. Why the fuck does it matter if I know what my friend's dick looks like? It's a fucking penis, it's not some alien squid creature. Get it together.
>>44944001As humans are we not all a little perverted? Is sex not one of our main drives?
>>44945555t. fat 35 year old bald chaser
>>44945566I'm 25 and reasonably cute and have a full head of hair doe. And is the difference between a pervert and not a pervert how old, ugly and bald they are? You know regardless your urges are gonna be the same, right? It's just bizarre to me, the anti sex stuff. I'm a horny guy, I like what I like. I like pussy and I like cute guy's buttholes. Why does that make people mad? And yeah I am a bit of a chaser, so what?
>>44945597Kill yourself nigga
>>44945546>weird thing here and the undeniable outlier of all of human historyNo its not you autistic asocial retardClothing to cover genitals is like one of the first inventions everAnimals display fear of rape just like humans do with not feeling comfortable around random naked peopleI know your blissfully retarded ass might deny this but YES evil rapists love taking advantage of places where people and/or children are casually naked like public swimming poolsThere is 0 societal benefit to this
>>44945597End your life bruh holy shit lmao
>>44945603>>44945622damn niggas really want me dead cos I admit I like a bit of bootycheeks meanwhile this board is literally full of tranny "femboy" gooner groomers that live lifestyles based on porn and fetishesass backwards, guys
>>44945635Retarded nigga I told you to kill yourself because you are a little perverted freakazoid that wants to take advantage of community changing spacesYour lifestyle is based on porn and fetishes
>>44945635no one cares if you're horny everyone is publically horny all the time now so obviously that's not what anyone has a problem withPeople are just bored of sex as a focal point for media, suspicious of structures that allow sexual abuse, and traumatized by an adolescence filled with child groomers who blackmail 15 year olds into carving swastikas into their arms
I agree with the current era being overly puritanical but I don't want to be on the same side as this guy
>>44945650Did you hallucinate or something? I just said we're all a bit perverted. I'm not advocating being a creep in a public space. If anything I think non-sexual nudity in places like changing rooms has it's place, and that nudity doesn't always have to be about gooning. But I don't really care, I'm not out here about to advocate for people being nude, I'm just neutral on it.>>44945654Jesus did everyone on this board get groomed or something? Maybe I just don't relate because I didn't.
>>44945658don't sit on that fence too long it'll leave a mark on your ass
>>44945697No I agree with 99% of what he's saying it's just picrel
>>44945723I'm sorry next time I admit that I like butts I'll whip myself and apologise after every sentence.
>>44945741Retard. I'm referring to>this board is literally full of tranny "femboy" gooner groomers that live lifestyles based on porn and fetishes
>>44945778ok but it is though. It's a discrepancy to act like a puriteen mormon and then post horny boymoder OC or whatever
>>44941445>>44945376>>44945490Why is it that the people who get assaulted in school locker roomsater turn out to be trannies?
>>44944394Why wouldn’t I care? Perhapes the more apathetic or delusional few could totally block out all input and meaning from those around them. I find it much harder to ignore the fact that everywhere I go with in my home society, I am leered at, unwanted, disliked, and causing disgust.I should very much like to participate normally.
>>44948032A common throughline in those stories is a shyness or hesitancy to be sexual or even tastefully naked so the reason for trooning doesn't seem to be pornbrained gooner mindset. So...I hope you weren't about to accuse me of that.
>>44948092>so the reason for trooning doesn't seem to be pornbrained gooner mindset. So...I hope you weren't about to accuse me of that.Don't know where you got that from. I wonder if there's a latetent unmasculineness in behavior that comes across clearly in changing rooms.
>>44948112Sorry, I just hear the rhetoric and I get tired of feeling like I have to defend my existence...
>>44945311Is it true that finns are chill with even coed nudity? That's crazy.
As puritanical American culture is I'm glad I don't have to explain why I don't have to get naked without outing myself as a tranny
>>44948199*want toLiving in those other countries sounds like hell in that respect, though
>>44948177yes coed nudity is very normal here, sometimes people think i'm weird because i won't to go to sauna with them
Bump
>>44950222Very different culture
>>44945613obsessing over some imaginary rapists gangstalking you isnt mentally healthy
>>44952482wtf is gangstalking
>>44941039I never liked getting naked in front of men, but that's because I'm not a faggot.
>>44953067when a group of people obsess over an individual.when they talk about said individual behind their back or otherwise gossip about said individual in access.it can be broader, like police gangstalking is when they have police regularly monitor a suspecting individuals daily routes or otherwise stake out locations near the individuals activities without a warrant. meaning, they suspect you of a crime, but don't have enough evidence to arrest so they follow you until they find something.
Extremely gay we would turn the lights of and pinch, flick people with towels or slap their ass or we would do the party boy from jackass (millennial boomer) where like 10 of stripped to underwear and started fag dance humping people we would also wait to someone was in their underwear and then grab them and throw them out of the locker room and block the doors so they were semi-naked in the public gym area and would get the girls to hang around and do cat calling stuff also we would convince one of the retard kids to pull his pants down and run into the girls room.
>>44941445Do americans really?I even have small talk with boomers in the shower room while we have our cocks out.
Honestly I don't think nudity is bad at all, and with exposure I could get used to sharing communal spas and showers nude, even after my tits grow in. But given how my life went ( >>44945490 ) I have demons to overcome first.>>44953067>>44953105Gangstalking is also a meme, since 99% of people claiming it are just schizos counting red cars on the road and screeching at walmart employees. It has happened, just, much more rarely.
>>44941039>Be me repper tranny>go into the locker rooms>somehow young guys are even more uncomfortable than me in the locker room>Change in my corner without a fuss
>>44941039Avoid it at all costs
>>44941731>>44945546>>44952482you won't manage to shame people into getting naked in front of you by writing progressive wokeslop Mr. Pervert
locker rooms sucked. I grew up before smart phones during the nokia brick phone era and it really is fucking weird how gym teachers are always gay/les respectivelythere's a lot of things in american/western culture that feel like odd psychological frontsFrog disection and bachlor/bachlorette parties are other boomerisms that feels like it's meant to inflict trauma or as a pretense for sex pest activity. It's strictly an anglosphere thing where you have these bizarre ritualistic things that are presented as normal but really fucking aren't. It's why 80's comedies are so rape coded.
graduated hs in '13. yeah we changed together but nobody got naked and definitely nobody showered at school. that was like asking to be raped by the rapey rich nepoboys. but i went to private school so idk if my experience can be generalized at all
Gay people have ruined nude spaces for straights. The same way straight women are ruining gay clubs.
>>44954707And trannies have ruined nude spaces for gays by trying to turn them into validation spaces
>>44954663the penis inspection day meme is actually a really good example of this mentality. It's not real but it works as a joke because we're all subconsciousily aware that there are things in our culture that truly seem inexplicable and based on a genuinely fixated pretense yet are forced on people for some reason I hope I don't sound schizo it's just it's irritated me for a long time that certain aspects of our culture feel like a bizarre cargo cult of generational trauma where nobody even knows WHY they're doing what they do only that it's "a thing we do"Like boomers used to have these things called "Stag Parties" where they'd get together with other totally straight men and goon to porn together. Ritualized infidelity before a wedding is also a thing they did.A lot of antiquated one off aspects school ciriculum that are never repeated beyond a single day isn't educational at all and almost feels like it's meant to cause psychological harmAnd don't get me started on American's weird fixation on their shitty bathrooms both in terms of making them as voyeuristic as possible while also fixating on who uses them
>>44954766>It's not real but it works as a joke because we're all subconsciousily aware that there are things in our culture that truly seem inexplicable and based on a genuinely fixated pretense yet are forced on people for some reasonThere's a good athropological paper on this called "Body Ritual Among the Nacirema" you could study
>>44954766>American's weird fixation on their shitty bathroomsWait I gotta ask the international world, did your teachers require you to always ask permission to go pee? I'm probably overthinking it but it is weird how American children have to ask to take care of basic bodily needs, when younger they even make you do the whole "may I" vs "can I"
>>44954766>>44954663the only conclusion that i can come to is it's a mix of anglo/german/jewish neuroticism, sexual repression mixed with deviancy and mixing a heiarchy driven pedastry mindset with the prussian school system/british boarding school mentality in a hypermasculine latently homoerotic (in a prison gay sense) American hellscape. Unironically it's a good thing that immigration and technologybhas destabalized these punitive aspects that have been normalized for prior generations. I hope the things i said made sence cuz i feel like they don't.
>>44954817kinda hits on some of the same notes
>>44954833also this just made me realize how sex education is itself treated as ritualistic. I realize this is because of evangelicals but i know a lot of kids were psychologically hurt by having to get permission from their repressed sex negative parents to learn about biology the permission slip is like a magic talisman and yes they made us strip nude on a fucking field trip for hygiene reasons in pairs for some reason inside a room
>>44954833yeah they did we had hall monitors and this stupid wooden pass. Psychosis
>>44954833During class you had to ask yeah, you couldn't just leave the classroom without explanation
>>44954941and i'm american but teachers would chastise students who were clearly on the verge of wetting themselves
>>44954954I probably should've clarified, was it just a "yeah can I go please" thing or did you get shit like >>44954969
>>44941039I choose not to remember this period of our life
read "discipline and punish"
>>44955011normally I'm loathe to agree with a communist but the things this book is about are true
>>44954983No the former, the latter sounds psychoThe only times the teachers would refuse was if it was a delinquent kid obviously wanting to cut and smoke crack or idk, or when a bunch of girls tried to do that weird thing they do and like, go off in a little group to all shit collectively
>>44941039traumatif asf i was bullied alot i tried to be in them as little as possible and eventually in hs i stopped participating altogether i couldnt deal with it anymore
>>44957939I wish they'd let me not participate... I would been kicked out of the school if I refused to change or do PE.
>>44941066I tried this once, got told off/made fun of in front of the whole class by the teacher so hard I remember it 25 years later
>>44954766>I hope I don't sound schizo it's just it's irritated me for a long time that certain aspects of our culture feel like a bizarre cargo cult of generational trauma where nobody even knows WHY they're doing what they do only that it's "a thing we do"All very true and a good post. Look up the phrase "we don't want an educated proletariat" by Reagan's education advisor (who also created the student loan crisis). Our educational system is modeled on creating worker drones and a few sociopaths to manage them. That latter goal is where the Anglo hazing methods which were a legacy of their boarding schools come into play. Whenever it became too successful at fostering intellectualism it was intentionally nerfed. This is from The General Education Board which was founded by Rockefeller:>In our dream, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from their minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are… So we will organize our children into a little community and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way, in the homes, in the shops and on the farm.
>>44958011NTA but had a similar experience. I tried just wearing a swimsuit to school before class, and got mercilessly mocked for it..m
>>44941039I don't know anybody who used showers after gym/weights in school. We had like less than 5 minutes to get changed and get to class. If I work out at the gym now as an adult, I change into gym clothes before going then shower when I get home. There's no reason to be naked in a locker room
>>44953792Around men? Tits out?
>>44954983Most teachers were chill. There were a few neurotic control freaks though. Funny how unlearning this habit is standard college freshman advice since it doesn't carry there.
>>44959880idk, if it was 5+ men and they hated or lusted after me enough to gang up sure I'd be scared, but chances are a Planet Fitness isn't going to be full of roided out rapists.
