>>44962176
>Optional shit you never have to interact with
Boohoo nigga

>videogames
>masculine
Pushing buttons, hmmm, so manly

>sees colours
>shits and pisses his pants
What a fucking loser

>>44962186
It has lesbian girl bosses in it too anon don't be disingenuous
>>44962188
>Gore and violence and war is not masculine
>Women are not drafted in war times

>>44962197
I honestly doubt that is gendered, and if blood was masculine then women would be the most, they shed blood from a young age, they are also vicious.

So no, I don't think any of that is manly, specially when it is being rendered on a screen.

>>44962189
i hope she's wearing her diaper

>>44962176
is this gears of war? it's such an outdated artifact of 2000s era gaming & i can't imagine anyone but the dudebroiest dudebros playing this so it's really funny that the devs threw trans pride stuff in

>>44962197
idk about war but gore and violence definitely aren't
my cis sisters loved mortal kombat

The Cornell + Jacob Geller situations convinced me we are still firmly in Woke 1.0 in terms of the larger culture. All this rape panic centers around identity politics. "Rehabilitative justice" is not something leftists believe in as an actual principle. It's a tool to try to rebalance the world against the image of white supremacy. What "rehabilitative justice" actually means is that Blacks/browns/immigrants shouldn't go to jail for their crimes because there are already disparities in incarceration rates for BIPOCs, therefore to alleviate that disparity a cause is invented to lock up fewer of them for their crimes.
Of course because it's just a tool, it becomes a problem when people ask for rehabilitative justice for white males.
White males in true woke 1.0 fashion remain the ultimate cultural enemy. A "perfect"-ly behaving and allied white male is only a white male who hasn't revealed a reason to take him down yet. Destroying a white male's life is one of the highest value things you can do in woke 1.0 because it counters their assumed white male privilege advantage which was of course the only reason that lazy pos entitled white male had any success in the first place. Asking for rehabilitative justice for a white male misunderstands that rehabilitative justice is only meant as a tool to raise the standing of BIPOCs. White males are supposed to receive maximalist retributive justice to balance the scales racially, which is ultimately what Woke 1.0 desires.
Of course nowadays there's a bunch of autistics and neuro-atypicals in these spaces and they have trouble intuitively navigating this normie-type logic. The resultant contradiction between how BIPOCs are let off the hook for rape gangs but white males are destroyed forever for any level of sexual misconduct (all of those levels disingenuously compressed into their maximalist form, "rape", despite that referring to forced penetration) really drives these neuro-atypicals up the walls.

>>44962331
All true, a mistake a lot of people think is that these are just cycles and after a while we're going to revert to how things were before #metoo, rather I think they're just the new baseline that more will be built on in the future.

>>44962213
>Dying in war isn't gendered
>Women never drafted
Kay retard

>>44962176
would play. woke needs to rise the phoenix out of the ashes of cringe

>>44962213
The game is Gears of War not Gears of Menstrual Cramps

>>44962331
OP here. Sadly you make a good case. Note the Cornell case is about a white woman and multiple evil white coded and white frat boys one of the last hold outs of traditional masculinity aka the same "dude bro" culture of the Xbox 360 days. They will probably have their reputations destroyed meanwhile the girl with her non-feminine porn brain will get off just like she did on their K-upped dicks.

>>44962373
You are taken into a camp full of men for the single purpose of breaking you and making you obedient, then they push you into some place full of people that hate you and force you to kill others.

I mean that sounds awful but I don't see how interacting with the depiction of a fictional man during a war makes you manly.

>>44962379
This.

>>44962379
Yeah a game about manly burly men that go to war against some aliens, but tell me, why does that make you feel masculine?

>>44962406
>Aesthetics based on material reality have zero connection to it
Uh oh someone doesn't have media literacy. Stinky!
>>44962431
Where is the argument other then
>Yaass girl bosses kween

>>44962434
You haven't answered why you believe War videogames are masculine tho, you are literally just pressing buttons and pulling levers so the little guy on your screen can shoot his gun.

>>44962453
>why are war videogames masculine
Guns and grit and killing is fundamentally intuitively masculine. Asking "why" over and over like a five year old won't change that reality just like it won't convince an adult the sky isn't blue.

oh boy another thread where autistic 7ft 600lb compsci hons barge in to explain why video games and programming and guns and warhammer and military history are actually sapphic and femme

>can't come up with a proper argument
>comes up with an imaginary enemy instead
No, don't listen to me, you are right, I'm no one, go ask Chad or any woman if they believe playing videogames is masculine, come back with results.

>>44962176
These games would be shit even without the woke stuff. You're just complaining about it because it is the lowest hanging fruit.
/vpol/ is down the hall and to the left

>>44962176
You have to understand troons are just like jews. What do I mean by this? I mean they stick together in a cult tier manner, if a troon identifies another troon by the troon flag on their profile pic, they will defend them and agree with them on literally anything even if they had commited murder or worse. This pack mentality is normal in humans but it is greatly increased by the overwhelming insecurity and therefore fear of society and need to stick together and force social acceptance, reacting with extraordinary prejudice to even the most slight criticism because they interpret this as an attack on their right to exist itself

>>44964300
So what I am saying is that Troons will act like this, forcing their flags and shit down societies mouth, as long as they feel that they are not 100% socially accepted - which will be never because the vast majority of people silently are disgusted and horrified by their existence.

>>44962176
Cry more little chud. These companies cater to the players, and lots of troons play these games.

>>44964802
They keep losing money. The studio is liking going to be shut down.

>>44962176
No, the Dem plan is unironically to learn nothing and go berserk with it which is why Vance or Cruz will succeed Trump in the Height Wouse.

>>44962331
yup this
woke 1.0 never ended, it's the same moral panics repeated forever

>>44965598
Come on now. That has nothing the fuck to do with troons.

>>44962176
Wokeness is the new normal for a lot of people. It's not going anywhere. The only hope is that Wokeness becomes uncool for the new generation of college-goers and they go on to replace people of the Wokeness ideology. Wokeness has become an identifiable phenomenon of the past 5 years, which means it can be warned about and countered intellectually.

>>44965784
nta but probably does have something to do with troons. dudebros playing call of duty dont want to stare at pride flags all the time. they are very outspoken about this and thy stopped buying products that do this. im a tranny, idk why agps keep doing this, it just makes them dislike us

>>44965859
is it even trannies that are putting flags in dudebro games?

>>44965867
i have to imagine there's like a 400lb creature with dyed hair behind this.

>>44965881
and you think that's a tranny and not just some cis woman who's decided to put every gay flag imaginable into the game?

>>44965894
oh they're involved too. its an axis of evil

>>44965859
>dont want to stare at pride flags all the time
they don't have to, it's a very simple solution for them. just don't stare. shoot gun at player. rinse and repeat. play game.

>>44965784
No, it's not specifically about troons, but rather is about the Woke umbrella, which transgenderism is an artefact of the Woke ideology. Wokeness is a continuum, which a threshold has to be met before something can be considered Woke. Transgenderism and gayness aren't Woke in isolation, just like how being white with blond hair and blue eyes doesn't make you an Nazi in isolation. People aren't a fan of Wokeness in media because it often goes challenges cishetronormativity, which cishetronormativity is the norm for most people, which means they can't relate to the queerness presented by Woke creatives. Also, the resentment comes into play because they believe it to be an infringement of an IP they love. If it was an original IP, they would mock it, but wouldn't care as much.

>>44965917
im not debating you. this is obviously pissing them off, and its not good for our community.

>>44962176
Video games were invented for children hunting is a masculine hobby camping is a masculine hobby car modding is a masculine hobby vidya is not

i still to this day havent been given a coherent definition of woke

>>44962188
>>44966000
Video games are masculine, but they aren't manly. Masculine doesn't mean manly by default. Like, for example, Eliot Page looks masculine, but definitely not manly.

>>44966038
it's extreme social progressivism
everyone knows what it means

>>44962176
Calling games a masculine hobby is probably THE most pathetic thing I've seen today and I've been scrolling this board for a good while.

>>44962197
>Gore and violence and war
it's pixels on a screen

>>44966079
do you think that the gender breakdown for whatever game this is skews male or female? why?

>>44966038
That's because definitions are fickle by nature, and you're probably biased because you believe in Wokeness, which is often the case who deny (or can't see) the phenomenon. For example, you could completely dismantle the definition of, "cyberpunk," into meaning nothing if you constantly challenge the definition, which is often the case who denies the Wokeness phenomenon. Also, the definition of, "woman," floating about progressive circles is now, "a woman is when a person says they're a woman in good faith," which is essentially just throwing in the towel and shamelessly submitting to circular logic.

>>44966103
OP refers to a hobby, not a specific game lmao

>>44966079
Masculine doesn't mean manly. Knowing 1+1=2 is intelligence, but doesn't make you intelligent. Same logic.

>>44966116
this is why people hate us btw. you know exactly what they mean.

>>44965943
>>44965859
It's wild how dumb you chuds are. You have no understanding of the world you are living in whatsoever.

>>44966143
how so?

>>44966115
>doesnt give a definition
even something arbitrary like 'gamer' or 'skater' or 'cyberpunk' i could give a decent definition for
>>44966056
no

everytime i hear woke, it is used in a negative connotation
it cant JUST be extreme social progressivism.
hell im extremely socially progressive and i wouldnt even call myself woke because in my mind it has a certain corporate fake-progressive aesthetic to it

the reality is that it doesnt have a consistent definition

>>44966179
ok, how would you define "nazi"?

>>44966038
lecturing

>>44966152
I'm not taking the time to educate you little chud. Get off 4chan and spend some time in he real world. No one, save for a small minority of terminally online weirdos, gives a single fuck about what you're complaining about.

>>44966223
idk girl ive had men bring up this (pride flags in cod) specifically to me like 4 times unasked. im not complaining, i dont care. they seem to care though. i think we would do better to remember we are a tiny minority living in a democracy

>>44962520
>>44966041
>dirt is a masculine aesthetic
Uh huh, but you are playing a videogame, on a screen, sitting safe on your couch pushing buttons, videogames aren't a masculine hobby regardless if it features trucks, sports balls and guns.

The things themselves irl are masculine, videogames about them are not.

Troons are interlopers. Pass it on.

Troons are cantaloupes. Pass it on.

>>44966179
Wokeness, at its core, is a socialist ideology which includes identity (like race, sex, and sexuality) along side class. That's why Woke media often includes race swapping, because Woke people believe black people are oppressed, and believe positive media representation is important in tackling racial stereotypes and other harmful depictions. This also applies to other traits, like sexuality, gender, and ugliness. That's why Woke media also has lots of ugly women in it, and females in traditionally male roles.

>>44966377
Masculine doesn't mean manly by default. You're acting like the cliche leftist who don't understand nuance. You're a walking meme.

Be better.

>>44966179
A lot of people use wokeness to mean any LGBT or POC representation in an area that feels heavyhanded.
I think it's better understood as a mechanism by which women and/or non-whites create an oppression hierarchy and social currency sub-economy in a space where it doesn't belong as a kind of evolutionary strategy and power politic. For example, video games around the time of gamer gate.

>>44962176
trannies are just the only people who can make games now

>>44962249
the lead dev is a troon and she passes as well lol

>>44966038
>https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/please-just-fucking-tell-me-what

>>44966643
How is it manly? You are just pushing buttons, how is that masculine or even gendered at all?

>>44967533
just booted up mario kart and all my hair fell off and i tore through my shirt due to how much muscle i spontaneously grew. got a full beard and enough body hair to trap a mosquito in. all cause of the masculine energy videogames radiate. im FUCKED dude.

>>44962395
Fraternities and sororities should not exist as they are for degenerate richoids and would-be Epsteins.

>>44962331
Personally I hope those crackers go to jail forever for what they did and that the Great Replacement replaces you with a better poster.

>>44962331
>Cornell
Crazy how some he said she said story is blowing up like this when the grooming gangs and THOUSANDS of victime and all kinds of confirmed fucked up shit that is a million times worse gets crickets.

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>>44968814
It is pretty funny that a bunch of people reacted to the grooming gangs by trying to elect right-wing politicians who are themselves pedophiles or friends of pedophiles.

>>44968783
>>44968814
>white men (and an asian guy and a black guy and whatever) do a gangbang on some girl with drugs, who regrets it weeks later when it hurts her social status? Rape!
>nonwhite men actually do rape gangs and kidnappings and forced drug use for decades, which gets covered up by the cops and social workers? uh nothing to see here, incel!
at this point it's literally just "I hate fratboys (valid) so they shouldn't be allowed to do group sex on drugs! It is completely impossible that a woman would ever consent to taking ket and getting gangbanged, until tomorrow when this is empowering!"

>>44968834
Thousands of raped kids is funny to you?

>>44968850
Turn your monitor on

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>>44968841
Listen, don't worry, all those guys you're defending are going to go to jail and your vote for your favorite white pedophiles and child murderers in November will be utterly squandered.

>>44968879
thanks but I'm a leftist, just not falling for the current moral panic
the cornell thing is being signal boosted by republicans to push men to the right by the way, just like lindsay clancey

>>44968841
>It is completely impossible that a woman would ever consent to taking ket and getting gangbanged, until tomorrow when this is empowering!"
That part is funny. I see people (on social media) pointing out that some girls actually want to do this. Then they get attacked by a bunch of hags
>No girl wants to get gangbanged or do drugs!
>you obviously never met a real woman if you believe that
>you are GAY and a rapist
Then the next post is some meme about bonnie blue.

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>>44962176
The biggest thing about AOC delineating a line between woke 1 and woke 2 is that we finally have an admission from a prominent lefty that woke even exists. The left spent a decade pretending wokeness was exclusively a republican scareword, but to everybody who isn't lying for political gain it's clear there is a difference between democrat politics before 2014ish (free speech is good etc) and 2015 beyond (hate speech is bad etc) Wokeness is an authoritarian excess of leftist values that is anit-Liberalism.

Yes, wokeness is anti-Liberal. Classical liberalism (the right to life liberty and property, the primacy of the individual) is the core principle of American democracy and the far left hates these principles as much as the far right. Woke will continue to run rampant and ebb and flow just like any other religion has in American history. It is to our eternal torment that trans rights are tied to wokeness; a silly deistic anti-liberal set of beliefs, that is destined to be among the many villainous ideologies that vy for power in America.

We are just a few years away from "woke 1" being as reviled as evangelical christianity was in 2006, and there's no "woke 2" to rehabilitate its image. "Woke 2" is just woke 1 people realizing they've been out of their fucking minds for the past 10 years but doubling down on the same crazy anti-liberal bullshit anyway.

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>>44968886
Oh no... the signal boosts...
>>44968905
Personally I think that liberalism has failed utterly and that the future should be based around the Chinese economic model and their ability to exert pressure on the rich.

>>44968942
>leftist meme
>wall of tex
You are a meme

>>44968975
The liberal/reactionary bug man cannot argue with the truth and so he must resort to whining about reading on a site where you do nothing but read. Very sad, perhaps you should ask ChatGPT to summarize this for you.

>>44968981
>excuse genocide
>compare india to china
>call stalin a humanitarian
That post doesn't warrant any other response then mockery. You fucking retard

>>44968942
>Personally I think that liberalism has failed utterly and that the future should be based around the Chinese economic model and their ability to exert pressure on the rich.
Liberalism is practical markets and moral individualism, literally the best combination for the average person. America had that as a starting point and piled on a bunch of bullshit programs to advantage corporations and rob the middle class. China had the opposite; starting with government corruption and eventually adopting policies that gave their markets more freedom because letting the government rob people wasn't working. (but they still rob people)
>exert pressure on the rich
But it's government bureaucrats exerting that pressure, basically rich vs rich. The actual poor in China have no economic mobility, no real property rights (the government rich can always take your shit) and no framework of moral liberalism to safeguard their humanity (besides the airs they put on to pretend in front of western governments)

>>44968942
I didn't read your silly commie meme but yeah if you're counting "advances from industrialization" as fat W's for any given society then western liberal democratic industrialization is the greatest thing to happen to human flourishing in the history of mankind and we did it without genociding Mao, Stalin, or Pol Pot numbers of our own people

>>44968942
>look at how the life expectency went up!
>ignore that the time before was a half a century of war and feuding warlords
>ignore all the food that western countries started to export globally after a massive boom to agriculture due to a industralisation. Fertilizer, pesticides etc (not saying its all good, but you can't argue it produced lots or excess cals)
>ignore vaccines, pennicillin, knowledge of water born bacteria
>literally everything that spawned in western industrial society
>ignore all the countries that achieved the exact same shit without killing millions of people for no reason

Commies are retarded.

>>44968767
The fact that they're for richoids is proof that frats belong on campus. Poorfag scholarships and loans are what shouldn't exist so strivers and arrivistes can't shit up campus culture with their complaining and misuse of their freedom.

>>44969052
industrialization in the west was only possible through mass ammounts of inequality, death, colonialism and exploitation, all of which still run rampant as a result of western industrialization.
while socialist experiments not only faced a much harsher starting point than any western nation but they also were intentionally cut off from the rest of the world by the forces of capital that time and time again used every mean availible to aggressively strangle socialist experiments out of existance, directly through intervention sabotage and invasion and indirectly through sanctions and embargos. and also its worth to mention that while industrialization in the west brought about a great deal of development it absolutely concentrated in the hands of the wealthy elites or the government that only existed to serve the interests of the wealthy elites, the only reason youre not working 12 hours per day for 2$ an hour now is because of class warfare, otherwise youd never see a dime from this great human invention, youd just be turned into a slave.

>>44969151
>inequality, death, colonialism and exploitation
they were straight up eating people in Guangxi in 1968

>>44969137
>>ignore all the countries that achieved the exact same shit without killing millions of people for no reason
Which ones? Liberals are so coy about their empires and how many souls they reaped.

>>44969151
>>44969173
colonialism and genocide never enabled industrialization, it was the other way around
western nations did genocide for the love of the game, not because taking over a bunch of land in africa actually benefitted anyone other than the 0.1% richest business owners, or as if america would have never been rich without killing the natives.

>>44969151
If only the government was more corrupt and communist during western industrialization we could have had less property rights and more starvation and the good rich people in the government could get richer and the bad rich people not in the government could get executed while the rest of us languished in poverty and all our innovations were smothered in their cribs

>>44969196
Seems like China is much more innovative than the US at this point. Certainly more forward-thinking; I don't see either party in the US planning as far ahead for a climate change future as they are.

>>44969171
non sequitir
yeah they went about economic planning in the great leap forward wrong, the soviets had been doing the exact same shit but successfully for decades, now point out how exactly le gomunism led to starvation and you wont be able to do it retard, please actually learn anything before trying to get a quippy one liner out dog
mfs were also eating people in bengal, ireland, madras, ethiopia, etc and it isnt considered proof that capitalism is a failed system, almost like theres a double standard hmmm

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>>44962176
I thought "woke 2.0" was gonna happen AFTER the current administration is out of office? has it already begun?

>>44969220
Woke 1/2 is ultimately a tired right-wing reframing of the original whining about wokeness. It means nothing.

>>44969173
Literally all of them managed to do it without commie levels of death. In fact, using your own argument about life expectency then colonialism was a massive humanitarian effort all in all.
.

>>44969236
>Literally all of them managed to do it without commie levels of death. In fact, using your own argument about life expectency then colonialism was a massive humanitarian effort all in all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

This killed about as many people as is alleged in the "Holodomor".

>>44969242
And? All in all life excpectency went up globally so its all good.
See >>44968942

>>44969205
>innovation is government planning
Yes sir mr Lysenko

>>44969242
>the uk industrialized because they starved people in india in ww2
Is being retarded a prereq to being a commie?

>>44962176
woke wont go anywhere because most developers are liberals with DEI quotas. vidya died in mid 2010s, it over.

>>44968905
>Classical liberalism (the right to life liberty and property, the primacy of the individual) is the core principle of American democracy and the far left hates these principles as much as the far right.
Incorrect, the left hates them far more.

>>44969242
>This killed about as many people as is alleged in the "Holodomor".
Yeah ofc. 1943, full on ww2, japan invading half of asia, german u boats sinking shipping all over the place. Totally the same as starving ukranians on purpose during the interwar period.

Where you born an ignorant moron or did you have to work on it?

>>44962570
Ask them if it’s feminine

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>>44968981
I asked Grok to summarize your meme in meme form and it gave me pic related

>>44969021
>but they still rob people
Yes because both systems are beset by the wholly intractable stationary bandit problem, the government exists as a way to extract plunder and only secondarily performs other tasks – solely and expressly for the purposes of easing extraction and increasing the amount of plunder

China started from the wrong premise that total plunder maximizes income and when they saw plainly that they were mistaken they changed policy, simple as

>>44969398
It's not gendered, it's an activity, each game offers a different experience.

>>44962176
Can't wait for the Woke 3.0 patch

>>44967533
It's the settings and messaging of video games which determines if its masculine or feminine.
Your oversimplification can be applied to anything. For example, most people would agree that being a mechanic is a masculine job. However, all you're doing is "moving your body." So is "moving your body" masculine?

>>44962570
People can't even define what a woman is, dude. You expect people to be able to define masculine?

>>44962188
OP can't put into words what he means. What OP likely means is how IPs, which originally had cisheteronormative masculine settings, are being subverted with queerness in subtle and major ways. When some people say, "masculine," what they often mean is, "cisheteronormative." As in, cis men are masculine and in-charge, while cis women are feminine and attractive, with some leeway, but this being the general norm.