All trans people should be punished every time one trans people commits a crime. Just like all black should be punished every time one black person commits a crime.

>>44970391
6:55am and shes stroking her shit to trans stuff. this woman is legit mentally unwell as fuck and would be sectioned if she wasn't rich

>>44970488
I agree with you. Even if most trans people don’t commit crimes, youre all perverted fetishists and many of you are pedophiles. The more anti trans hate the better

>>44970391
and?

>>44970488
what happens in cases of tranny on tranny violence, or crossie on tranny violence?

>>44970391
I guess Mass. is just going to turn into a parallel to "Florida man" but with trannies instead.
We give them waaay too much presumed innocence

>>44970391
I have a two part solution to this conundrum:

1. Convicted sex offenders cannot change their legal sex. (For X years? Do we ever trust you again? Does it depend on the crime?)
2. Use of facilities is based on legal sex (with an additional risk review for prisons).

Alternatively child rape is life in prison. Or death penalty but that might be unconstitutional.

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>>44970488
This but unironically, also for all cis foids.

>>44970391
>cis guy does something
>this is all the trannies' fault!

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>>44970391
It's not a fucking tranny, I hate you fucking people

>>44970391
>supposed crime committed by a trans woman that terfs seethe about
>>44970750
>it was actually committed by a non-white who the feminists insisted on importing to destroy their own country
This is a microcosm for the entirety of the influence of women on western politics.

>>44970750
Massachusetts is self ID for both driver's licenses and birth certificates.
Everyone in Massachusetts is a tranny if she says she is.

>>44970794
Interestingly, it’s already illegal to harass women in a locker room even if you “identify as one”, and it looks like the law is working as it should. Why do we need a separate law to keep specifically males out? Sexpests gonna commit sexpestilence regardless of tranny status so maybe we can just keep using existing laws?

>>44970776
Terfs would gladly burn all women's rights to the ground just to own the trannies. They are neither feminists nor liberals.
>importing
In the 1700s maybe.
Aren't Nazis supposed to understand their history?

>>44970837
>Aren't Nazis supposed to understand their history?
lmao. when have they ever? their claim they were descended from "aryans" is based on the raped nietzsche they and his sister turned into a chad conservative natalist dementia puppet to suit their propaganda. they couldn't decide whether charlemagne was german or not. and all the nonsense himmler believed, don't get me started

>>44970826
Mostly so when they go "liberals can't even define woman" and "I could identify as a woman tomorrow and <X>" we can say something meaningful back. Like "no actually there's this whole process and you gotta do <X> and <Y> and it's unavailable to sex offenders so it's a reasonable compromise that still defends women's safety and privacy."
How do you define tranny? In Massachusetts it's anyone who says she is one. Makes it hard to say he isn't one of us. Even if it will do close to nothing to prevent crimes like this.
It won't appease the terfs either but I can tell you my own state legislature contains moderates that can be won over this way.

>>44970886
maybe moderates should consider what they can do to win over radicals, since apparently their power alone isn't enough to win or govern effectively and radicals aren't interested in further compromise

>>44970886
>I could identify as a woman tomorrow and <X>
the "meaningful response" to this is "so what?" because it's only a problem if the presumable cis male saying so has PREDATORY INTENT. when conservative men say this, they are literally openly declaring themselves to be rapists. it's the perfect example of a confessional accusation

>>44970886
Like I said, what this guy did was already not allowed and he is facing charges for it, as he would even if he had changed his gender markers etc.
You sexually assault someone, you are banned from the establishment and probably will face legal consequences. Why does there need to be a special category for when males do it? Is it materially worse than if a butch cisbian did it? It kind of sounds like you want to male troons an officially enshrined underclass subject to worse punishments because people hate them more.

>>44970391
Now list how many whites raped someone yesterday.

How many missles did Israel launch yesterday

OK bye Felicia

>>44970717
Death penalty for sex offenses.
Agree with #2, and it requires a doctor’s note. Gatekeeping is good.

>>44970750
And yet she claimed to be one to gain access to the ladies’, so what if your news article doesn’t want to include that part

>>44970837
Then maybe you shouldn’t call them feminists, retard, that’s what the f in terf means. Just call them transphobes.
>umm actually you’re a nazi if you think mass migration is bad evandoe it provably is
Nazis hated trans people, I’m not a nazi. Feminist movements actually have come to be characterised by the same pseudo-mystic, self-aggrandising bullshit that the Nazis loved, they just make everything about being a woman instead of about being German.

>>44970912
actual the left lost power in the western world because they appealed too much to the right. They can't go more left because in that direction lies fighting corporations and rich people and the corps will do everything in their power to remove anyone who tries to stop them from raping earth.

Lobbying and corruption has reached an all time high globally, more than just feudalism because there is zero threat of armed resistance to bad leadership.

>>44970957
you are a retard. "feminism", which isn't even a defined idealogy and quite a varied group, acknowledges men suffer from gender roles as much as women.

>>44970912
Agreed, but we need to give them a reason to risk their political careers on us. Any hint of support for us is damn near political suicide for Republicans right now.
>>44970913
>>44970914
Do nothing and everything is based on biological sex, no concessions.
Or do you have a better plan out of this? Cuz I'm genuinely all ears.

>>44970488
>Just like all black should be punished every time one black person commits a crime
At least no innocents will be punished

>>44970989
>Do nothing and everything is based on biological sex
but that's not true, trans people have had legal recognition of our genders in many places for decades. conservatives talking about trans people currently are trying to change laws and end legal recognition of trans people that already exists, not prevent new legal recognition from being put in place

>>44971023
I live in a place where we used to have legal recognition but it has been substantially narrowed: it used to be based on a form signed by one of a few licensed professionals, with no actual requirement to medically transition and no other checks. It was a form basically rubber-stamped by doctors, therapists, and social workers.
Then one tranny made a nuisance of herself in a women's locker room and that was used as a pretext to revoke that process. Now you can change your gender marker on your license if and only if you can change it on your birth certificate first.
And every year we defend against worse changes.
Federally we get no recognition at all. That will probably be reversed as soon as not-a-clown is in office though.
My state has been a Repblican trifecta with a veto-proof supermajority in both chambers for approximately forever. Nothing is improving here without Republican buy-in.

>>44971103
>Nothing is improving here without Republican buy-in
blacl exodus from the south in the late 19th/early 20th centuries was driven precisely by this fact, that you cannot win rights from those who want you subjugated

>>44971103
>used as a pretext
this is you admitting that it didn't happen because "a tranny made a nuisance of herself" but because conservatives wanted it to happen and went looking for justification
concession accepted

>>44970391
Right, and a door would have stopped this person if they weren't "allowed" in?

>>44970954
I too make shit up all the time, hypothetically, if I fucked your mother, would she like it? Probably, anyone who breeds someone with this intelligence has no self respect to begin with

>>44971125
>just move
To one of the minority of states that supports us, until the liberals abandon us too. Which they're already doing. Great strategy. Taking a bus so I can be homeless in California now.
>>44971139
>i choose to refuse to engage with the core claim in order to latch onto the fact a large subset of Republicans are disingenuous retards
Got any actual suggestions besides walking into the capitol and pounding the table until I get my way?

>>44971189
your core claim is that if there were no trannies sperging out, or if all the spergs were recognized as not trans that no one would be trying to end legal recognition of trans people, i pointed out that you admitted in your argument that that isn't true
go fuck yourself retard

>>44971223
I'm saying they'd gain much less traction. Of course they're still going to fucking try it.
>retard
Concession accepted.

>>44971253
>I'm saying they'd gain much less traction
you're saying this based on nothing, because it isn't true. besides, republicans are just as capable of deciding for themselves who is and is not really trans as you and i. even if all trutrannies were united in their belief that rapehons aren't trans republicans would still accept them as trans
>Concession accepted
that wasn't ad hominem i was just insulting you, retard

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>>44970391
What would a no tranny policy have helped here? You think a rapist would respect a non-man sign?

>>44970954
no retard, he just walked in. the sign outside doesn't magically stop rapists from entering unless they troon out first or something

>>44971303
>retard
Insulting me while engaging in a reduced form of my argument created to be easy to attack. Two fallacies in one go.
>you're saying this based on nothing
I'm saying this based on actual conversations with voters and bill sponsors. Maybe they're lying but I didn't come up with that myself.
This is not Brianna Wu.
>>44971450
Indeed.

>>44970391
Now she's outright lying about the identity of random criminals to pretend they're trans so she has something to be mad about. Insane.
>>44970886
The issue with these arguments is that they fuck over anyone using DIY.

>>44971742
Point taken. That sucks.
But everyone using DIY is already fucked over. Along with everyone who is on an officially sanctioned route. Even everyone who's had SRS if they were born in a state where even that isn't good enough to update your birth certificate.
But this could probably be done in a way that someone who knows you're on DIY can still vouch for you.
I would like fewer people to be fucked over. Really I'd like no people to be fucked over. But it seems like absolutely no one is negotiating in good faith, and majority opinion has shifted against us in some scary ways.

>>44971189
>>just move
no, not what i'm saying. they moved, that's one option. the main point is that the optics game is lose-lose for trans people, win-win for bigots. at best they allow "the good ones" to transition, at worst, there aren't any good ones. you have to pick a different game to run

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>oh no, a rapist waltzed into the ladies changing room and starting raping! We better bar all rapists from the ladies facilities now!

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>>44970504
/thread
>>44970743
probably this, anyone have source on the event in question?
>>44970750
oh right...

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>>44970391
>spreads misinformation
Genocide everyone who is transphobic. They’re clearly both malicious, and reject logic, only existing for the purpose of attempting to extinguish a minority group based on entirely flawed logic.

can someone slime that stupid terfcissoid out

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>>44970391
>cisoid sexually assaults other cisoids
>this is trannies fault
TCD TCD TCD

>>44970794
I'm curious so I looked this up
>The first step in changing your name and gender marker is getting a Massachusetts court-ordered name change.
>Anyone can petition for a change of name for any reason except to get out of debts or legal obligations. Name changes are made through a person’s county probate court.
As it should be!
>Even if you do not publish your name change in a newspaper, court records are still publicly available unless you ask the court to “impound” it
Disgusting!
>The Commonwealth of Massachusetts also recognizes a common law name change.
That's fascinating and i never would've learned it without you, anon
Source: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nHqjhhQ3MGfX0JLOcLbUgtDJIlHuFBgwgHBdIPKGXdo/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0#heading=h.bmxg3pwmjs27
Weirdly, nothing on gender there... Literally nothing appears on any official website that I could find, so I was forced to look on reddit. According to people there, it seems you CAN simply change your gender as easily as you change your listed weight. I've never lived somewhere that was the case. Technically it's still fraud to falsely claim to be trans, but transphobes will never care

>>44972371
Theoretically my state does too but I'm not sure how that actually works in practice. Like how do I convince the DMV or my birth state's vital records office to put it on my documents?
I just got a court order.
This is the relevant law: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter90/Section8N (driver's licenses), https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleVII/Chapter46/Section13 (birth certificates)
>>44971788
We're playing the inverse optics game, with people going out of their way to ragebait conservatives.

>>44970750
>>44970391
isn't this a bit... silly?

>>44973099
>with people going out of their way to ragebait conservatives
and you're saying "don't ragebait them too much, they might kill us." if they're that insane they'll kill us whether we ragebait them or not

>>44970391
She tacitly supports mass immigration into britain, so her posturing about caring for le women is phony as hell.

>>44971434
This is just a nigger

Also the rape free zone is the same as a gun free zone

>>44970776
im physically attracted to cis women, but knowing whats in their minds kills my libido

>>44970886
>It won't appease the terfs either but I can tell you my own state legislature contains moderates that can be won over this way.
slippery slope over manufactured non-issue
the actual problem at hand with these people (beyond gormless moral signalling) is that they're fucked enough in the head to believe that low-trust society is a default/given, that everyone is out to exploit eachother, the kind of mindset that maximally fucks everyone over for minimal benefit
if they actually unironically think this is an issue and it's worth legislating over then they're already lost
>>44970912
>maybe moderates should consider what they can do to win over radicals
historically, this has always ended well
in fact, it's going great for the west right now actually, just look at what labour accomplished in the uk!

>cis man with history of being a sex pest acts like a sex pest
>let's legislate trannies into the ground
Eat shit OP, one day you'll be up against the wall and I'm not crying for you.

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Honestly, I really don't understand why y'all try so damn hard to make all trannies look like fucking Hitlers in a skirt.
If seeing a tranny literally bothers you more than seeing indigenous women going missing, seeing skinheads bullying and raping minorities, and even watching police officers unfairly using force on a black man, like if it's literally at the point where you obsess about sticking it to the trannies and the thought of them makes you so mad, then I'm just saying, you really gotta take a step back and reevaluate wtf you're doing with your life.
Being this hateful imo is just really unproductive and a waste of energy

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>>44971189
>Got any actual suggestions besides walking into the capitol and pounding the table until I get my way?
civil rights issues are never resolved by due process

>>44970717
too complicated. if you absolutely must legislate bathrooms (which is historically a very strange thing to do) just have it be "has been estrogen-dominant for X amount of time". it's that simple

>>44970750
Clearly a boymoder

All cis women should be oppressed because a lot of them love killing their children

>>44970391
can we just have like tranny nuremberg laws atp. lateshits should get less rights than youngshits.

>>44970743
>>44970750
many such cases
>>44970794
>>44970954
most people here don't even support self-id you disingenuous losers

>>44972160
you glow in the dark

>>44975406
he has a beard

>>44970750
>>44970743
Okay, let's say it was someone faking being trans in order to prey on vulnerable women.

Now how is planet fitness supposed to differentiate between someone faking dysphoria to prey on vulnerable women, and someone who is genuinely dysphoric and just looking to use the locker room like a normal person?

Would it not be easier to merely sex segregate rather than have 19 year old front desk workers interrogate the internal mindstate of everyone who seeks to use the locker room?

>>44970826
>Why do we need a separate law to keep specifically males out?
The practical case is obviously that it's additional charges for the sex offender. Perhaps could be considered aggravating circumstances for them to deliberately trespass in a space they aren't supposed to be for the sole purpose of raping someone. Premediated crimes are typically punished much harder than crimes of passion or opportunity. If there is no legitimate reason for them to be in a female locker room, then it's much harder for their defense team to argue down the charges.

>>44970944
>Death penalty for sex offenses.
Always feels good to type out doesn't?

Too bad it would actually make the situation much worse. Death penalty for rapists wouldn't decrease the number of rapists, it would increase the number of rapists that murder their victims.

>>44970750
>>44970743
we're despised by people who cant read its so over

>>44976024
>this evil tranny assaulted two women!!!
>no thats just some guy
>okay, but what if i imagine it was a tranny? what then?
when did you last take your meds

>>44976060
Check if they have fully transitioned or check their ID for their sex. If they are actually trans and have went through the process of transitioning, their sex should be changed.

>>44976098
>okay, but what if i imagine it was a tranny? what then?
That is literally not what I said at all. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Are you fucking retarded?

people on this board will spam theyfab hate daily because theyre massive optics nukes meanwhile this is what rapehons are up to

>>44976104
This post was for this >>44976024

>>44976104
>>44976229
I'm fine with treating post-op transwomen as ciswomen and getting a little F on their drivers license. But it only answers the "where do we draw the line in the sand" question. Fundamentally we are still sex segregating and pre-op transwomen end up in the mens locker room as a result. Something trans activists consider tantamount to genocide.

>>44976183
I agree that the theyfab hate is unwarranted but this was a cis man

>>44976287
A medical doctor will determine when the transition is complete and sex can be changed.

>>44976344
So you do agree that sex segregation is the answer?

>>44976302
yeah i shouldn't have believed it so easily

>>44976355
I don't know man, I just think that the truscum/transmed perspectives seem like the best approach to this kind of thing.

>>44970632
>actually it does happen and that's a good thing

>>44976024
>Now how is planet fitness supposed to differentiate between someone faking dysphoria to prey on vulnerable women, and someone who is genuinely dysphoric and just looking to use the locker room like a normal person?
Has the person in question been on hrt and/or hormone blockers for any appreciable amount of time? If yes, they're trans. If no, they're either cis or should be treated as such until they actually transition.

>>44970391
Yes i am sure a man couldnt have just walked in and done same thing he needed to pretend be trans first

>>44970391
what the activists actually mean is, ''we know it will happen. But we still demand access. Getting validated as woman ranks higher than protecting cis women from getting harassed in their no longer secure facilities.
Trannies are selfish to the bone. IMO, that's proof that they're not women.
A woman wouldn't put other women in danger of being harassed or assaulted, in order to get some personal wish fulfilled.

Ummm problematic much?
What are xhe's pronouns??
DID ANYONE ASK?

>>44970743
That's transphobic.
No one can question a man's self identity.
If he claims to be a woman. Then guess what, she's a woman now. You have no right to question it, you fucking bigot.

>>44970750
He gained access through the tranny loophole.
So yes, trannies own this crime.
Also, who are you to determine if they're trans or not? Did you look at their genitals?

>>44970776
>non-white who the feminists insisted on importing to destroy their own country
Pretending it isn't business leaders demanding cheap workers.
Stop blaming cis women for everything that goes wrong.

>>44970826
Because you then can prevent crimes. You see a man walking into the ladie's facilities and you can tell him to get the fuck out.
I can't tell if you're a certified retard, or only being disingenuous.
And no, it was never explicitly allowed for men to be able to walk into sex segregated spaces. Your advocate friends changed the law into explicitly allowing it.

>>44976060
>If there is no legitimate reason for them to be in a female locker room
why would there be no legitimate reason, when the only requirement is for them to say ''I identify as a woman''.

>>44977192
read the fucking article; it was committed by a cis man you retard

>>44977247
where did it say he said that? why are we skipping over the real scenario that he just walked in there without anything relevant to trans women to begin with, you troglodyte

>>44977288
>he just walked in there without anything relevant to trans women to begin with,
He was able to walk in there, unstopped, BECAUSE of the pro-tranny rules, you absolute donkey.
So yes, it's tranny related. Pro tranny laws allowed this man to walk in to it unquestioned.
Own it.

>>44977280
who are you to say he's cis?
And it was caused because of pro-tranny laws, that cis women have repeatedly objected to.
The thing that never happens, happened again.
And trannies pretend this isn't their fault.

>>44977350
a fucking sign or law is not what prevented him you illiterate fuckwad. Youre also conveniently ignoring the same predators from preying in their own gendered bathrooms. Or the predator who can also just say “oh hey my kid is in there am just grabbing them”. You’re so painfully retarded in her logic just to score senseless transphobic irrationalities.
>>44977354
Who are YOU to declare they’re even trans without proof, dipshit. It’s not something preventable even with trans restricted laws. They’d just walk in there anyway WITH ANOTHER EXCUSE dumbass.