what steps should be taken to improve optics?imo, i think that trans women should not call tomboys "reppers" no matter how transphobic the specific tomboy may bei've also seen, enough times on tiktok that normal gays(ppl that dont make it their whole personality, etc) are more accepted,even though the comments tend to be transphobic, i still think that more lgbt ppl should be less woke and more transmed and stuff
>>44978398hello.......
>>44978398I think someone named veltail should stop posting on a trip
>>44978398significantly lower the bar for pre and during puberty transitions to create more youngshit passoids. when most trannies are pretty or at least normal looking, "optics nukes" will stop mattering
>>44979195...why>>44979214i agree, though i think a significant amout of people would still worry about "being tricked"
>>44979242the trick is to not care about those people
>>44978398Please fuck off, veltail. You're the only optics nuke here.
>>44979254ive never been an optics nuke, compared to the 4tran4 ppl who want to make cis tomboys men, or want to kill cisfoids and call vaginas bleedingrapeholes, and so on and on
>>44979245ok
>>44978398optics doesn’t win you rights.tokens get spent.
>>44979274it wins general opinion, at least when people arent exposed to bad 4tranners and suchi know theres a lot of propaganda these days and most people are transphobic anyway, but optics definitely do matter
>>44979268brother, I've seen your penis. please gtfo our board.
>>44979290im a bi man i can belong here.... and this post isnt bad???
>>44979289Optics travels down a funnel with the same goal as old as time: the removal and extermination of the minority. First it’s:>stop expecting people to treat you with respectthen it’s>you don’t really need to identify as trans, just be gncand ends with>stop expressing yourself abnormally and dress for your agab, trans doesn’t existYou keep pushing for their harmful rhetoric veltail and it makes you look like a retard. You should also not be speaking for minorities when you don’t identify as the ingroup. Please fuck off on this topic.
>>44979304Stay in your own lane then and stfu about trans people and or optics.
>>44979304you’re trying to speak for a minority group, it’s like a white man trying to speak for black people as a group on how to “be an ideal minority”. It’s entirely offensive, rude and uncalled for, and you need to not speak for others you’re not a part of.
>>44979312i dont believe in that at all.... by bad optics i just mean trannies doing stuff like mentioned here>>44979268>>44979347>>44979357the whole point of optics is what people outside of the group think
>>44979487Fuck off kid. No one wants you here.
>>44979503shut up goy
based velT keeping it real
>>44979487Stop trying to speak for us vel.
>>44979560ok>>44979563im speaking as someone who cares about optics, trannies have dogshit optics
>>44979580>im speaking as someone who cares about optics, trannies have dogshit opticsYou are retarded. I don't think I've ever seen you type more than a sentence, maybe two, in reply to someone.
>>44979594i have here>>44979289and i really do care about optics, i know most trans ppl are generally good, but some 4tran4 posts just look like terf bait
Trannies optics are shit because the modern majority of trannies you see on the internet (where people see them the most) are gay-coded mega-faggot incels that never stop talking about fetishes and polycules. Until that disappears, the optics will be garbage.
>>44979617that's not what i see
we meet again veltail
>>44979357>It’s entirely offensive, rude and uncalled for,To ask people to not act like antisocial schizos?
>>44979631ugh>>44979687yeah... im just saying, 4tran women need to tone some stuff downlike transphobia sometimes does originate from queers forcing stuff into games, or shows and insisting that lesbains date trans women
>>44979687to speak on behalf of said group, let alone be easily manipulated by propaganda and algorithms that aim to scapegoat trannies to begin with. It’s like if i flooded you with nothing but black on black crime 24/7. Or white men being pedophiles. You eventually don’t question or investigate it further and just accept it as fact.
>>44978398It's over
>>44979731>transphobia sometimes does originate from queers forcing stuff into games, or shows and insisting that lesbains date trans womenYou are so small minded.
>>44979735There's an ugly truth in sociology called stereotype accuracy. Stereotypes are substantially accurate about group averages. And let's be honest here, what are tranners doing to improve optics? Or is the goal just vote left no matter who and take over spaces to force everyone to concede a trans woman is a woman?
>>44980019if we based organization around stereotype then you can start with pic rel first before getting back to me on trannies
>>44980210Whites are the dominant ethnic group, they don't have to supplicate others. How's arguing who has the moral high ground going for the trans community? Have they won over the moderates and the right?
>>44980296>dominant ethnic group3 billion of the world’s population is asian alone so no that’s not true.pic rel btw
>>44980346look,cis straight white men are the majority , at least online and in the US, so it is more dependent on the minority group of trannies to minimize their bad optics
>>44980346But do you live in Asia?Look, if you don't have an answer on how to improve people's opinions of trans people, just say you don't know.
>>44980393>>44980415optics do not win your rights. They only strip you of them. Pick-mes are last one in the camps.
>>44980019Your idea of improving the optics is to gatekeep the identity of the ugly and the autistic. Stop doing the fascists' work for them.If you want to improve optics, fight for trans kids so they can get treatment early.
>>44980393Brother, you're an ignorant kid. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Please STFU and leave us all alone.
>>44980444they sure as hell help public opinion thoughimagine a world without trans women insisting cis ppl date them, or that femboys are reppers, the transphobia from terfs and femboys sure as hell would be lesser
>>44980482>imagine a world without transis what they want you retard. Stop making these concern trolling posts vel
velatil brain so smoove ahaha
>>44980444>>44980465And your plans are...?
>>44980504this is a genuine call for 4t4 ppl to be more mindfull of the stuff they post on twt
>>44980555>And your plans are...?Just what I said. Fight for trans kids so they can get treatment early, and stop allowing fascists to distract us and others. They have turned us into scapegoats. None of this is the fault of trans people. It's the fault of billionaires who see us as a useful tool to hold power.
>>44980578you R*ddit retard this is /tttt/ NOT 4t4LEARN. THE DIFFERENCE.
>>44980535
>>44980580So ultimately do nothing and hope that enough moderates vote left?
>>44980615None of what I said implies doing nothing. We actually need to push back against the fascists who are using our community as scapegoats and stop moderate politicians from throwing us under the bus.
>>44980585there is a strong overlap as the optics nukers probably use bothalso, this would get deleted on 4t4>>44980596no argument
>>44980580>fight for>stop allowingNona you are in the depressed, outcast gay corner of a Sudanese knitting forum rest assured you will not prevent any billionaire or anyone in power from doing bad things, ever. It's just over.
>>44980632>no argumentBrother, you repeat the same shit ad nauseum. Are you even sentient?
>>44980642Discussing something online doesn't equal or negate action. Please don't be silly.
>>44980664why state your opinion at all then?
>>44978398We can improve optics by removing all veltail postsAlso we just need to encourage youngshittery for trans women while also making sure transitioners extensively document their consent to treatment so detranners have less ammo to worm out of responsibility.
>>44978398Hey here's cool ways you as a not trans person can help with optics!!!1) talk about and share trans media that is inspiring and heartfelt.2) leave fetish posts in the fetish areas they were posted in.3) recognize when the media, including social media, is intentionally showing you the worst examples of trans people in an attempt to brew controversy (and therefore attention+grift+money.)4) Treat trans people as human beings worthy of respect in your daily life, and encourage others to do the same. When others make trans jokes, treat them like rape jokes: not appropriate in public, and concerning in private. Being ugly is not a sin. Being masculine is not morally wrong. Being bad at makeup does not make you subhuman. Optics based on aesthetics are a trap. Optics should be about positive trans stories that make people realize we're human beings, neighbors, family, etc.Otherwise all you're doing is reinventing the shemale porn category. We didn't have it good when the only exposure people had of us was thai ladyboys. Even if every trans woman was pretty they wouldn't see trans people as human. We'd go back to being poor disposable exotic sex dolls.
>>44980675What are these boards for if not discussion?
>>44980863>>44980656i think youre just mad that im pointing out that some trannies are evil bitches>>44980903yeah ok i get your point but some stuff like making art of boymoder red guards with the male symbol executing a cis woman(without context btw, just bc shes cis) is pure terf bait, which works and thus they say that trannies want all cissoids dead
>>44981073veltail you post dumb bait threads that are actually just "some trannies are bad" like we don't already know that
>>44981084first of all its not bait, second of all this is an actual problem that needs awareness
