>>45007896
Just because i'm trans doesnt mean im stupid.

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>>45007896
No I like having it.
But then I am a bi cis man

>>45007896
as if most of us can afford surgeries

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>wake up
>don't have an erection because no longer have a rapestick
>do morning workout
>don't have sweaty balls because no longer have balls
>go to the pool with friends
>can wear a normal bikini like every other woman there
>go to the bathroom
>have a real excuse to sit down to pee instead of standing up like a man
>foreplay with bf
>get wet down there instead of a hard rapestick that makes me want to die
>sexo with bf
>can let him use my privates properly instead of using a gross poopchute facsimile
>forget hrt for a whole week
>don't start remasculinizing because my natural T is now lower than most cis women

>>45007925
>pic
wtf is that

>>45007981
don’t make fun of his art
I do wonder what the little symbol to the side is tho

>>45007973
>get wet down there
lmfao just lmaooooooo
>gross poopchute
yeah because a gaping wound is so much sanitary

>>45007973
morning erections should be gone with proper t suppression and if you get bad SRS you still have penile erection tissue that produces similar feeling
balls, sure, orchi much easier though
better for tucking yes
everyone should pee to sit, peeing is worse post srs though because a lot of post srs people piss all over the place
sex is a major bonus if no complications
you do not produce E though, and lower test than cis women isn't a good thing
cis women produce test/e in the ovaries, which you do not have so you are just on really low sex hormone = menopausal symptoms which isnt fun

>>45007896
money and time, it will be about 2 years from now for me, wish it was sooner.

>>45007981
I didn’t draw it, it just has a lot of pathos I relate to, it’s chud holding his bleeding heart and smiling.
>>45008010
It pretty clearly just says “Chud”

>>45007896
I'm just so terrified of surgery. I had FFS and it traumatized me. Also I'm too fat for SRS right now. I'm losing weight, but it's going to be about 1-2 years before I can do it.

>>45008024
>lmfao just lmaooooooo
?
>yeah because a gaping wound is so much sanitary
If it's a gaping wound then why don't trannies get sepsis and die?

>>45008049
the complication rate for SRS is massive, we just have modern medicine and antibiotics, don't be obtuse

>>45008052
>the complication rate for SRS is massive
Proof?
>we just have modern medicine and antibiotics, don't be obtuse
You didn't answer the question, bud

>>45008068
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/andr.13030
Rates of complications following penile inversion vaginoplasty range from 20% to 70%, with most complications occurring within the first four months after surgery. Most complications are minor and self-limited in nature, (ie, minor wound healing disruptions) and are managed non-operatively or with minor secondary surgical procedures.

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>>45007896
i got ffs yesterday <3

>>45007973
I can wear a bikini over my junk no problem and I'm a transbian

>>45008068
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ca.23001
Ultimately, studies reported on 1,684 patients with an overall complication rate of 32.5% and a reoperation rate of 21.7% for non-esthetic reasons.

>>45008079
And what's the complication rate for comparable surgeries?

>>45008102
comparable surgeries are also very high, all reconstructive surgeries have major complication rates
don't freak out and take this the wrong way, having a 22% reoperation rate is very high
doesn't mean it's not 'worth it' but you cannot cope and say that isn't a major complication chance
most people wouldn't agree to any surgery that has a 20%+ chance of needing a major operation again

>>45008102
also one of the major things to note here is that srs surgeons have pretty strict pre and post surgery requirements
other reconstructive surgeries are often medically necessary and less strict
so the rates being this high with strict requirements is even more telling, this is obviously a major decision to make but you cannot tell me these complication rates are low, don't be retarded

orchi for reference is closer to 3% complication rate with almost no reoperative rate

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>>45008122
>other reconstructive surgeries are often medically necessary
There's no need to be a piece of shit, anon.

>>45007973
this is how i live every day it is great
>>45008079
>>45008112
it's amazing how our insurance companies make us frame this two stage surgery as a one stage surgery with complications

>>45008099
>Most studies show that the rate of serious complications following vaginoplasty is low and comparable to complications of other genitourinary reconstruction surgeries.
This is the opposite of
>the complication rate for SRS is massive

>>45008141
am I wrong? I am not against SRS but downplaying it is retarded, especially if you are limited for surgeon options because of cost/location
srs is amazing even with mid results @ good surgeons
srs can be extremely brutal recovery wise if you get even mildly unlucky
orchi is almost always safe, but not amazing for reducing dysphoria
srs is just a major major surgery, ffs is extremely simple recovery wise for comparison
>>45008148
you don't have to shill srs, this isn't an unknown thing, almost everyone reports it being worth it even with complications but most people don't want to deal with recovery + risks

>>45008154
you can mince words all you want, if you've spent any amount of time in the community you would personally know people with srs complications lol

>>45008148
Because no other surgery requires a large open wound that you repeatedly prevent from healing by sticking stuff inside. Going so far as to say a dude sticking his dick in a wound and that you "get wet" is hysterical. By all means, be happy for yourself but lets not make jokes here. The only actual upside is you dont have a bulge anymore.

>>45007896
>Wouldn't you rather be flat down there
Sure, but I don't want a surgery hat requires any sort of long-term maintenance. I'll eventually get an orchie, but I doubt I'll ever get SRS.

>>45008097
>I can wear a bikini over my junk no problem
There's about a 0% chance it passes, unless you've had an orchi with skin removal or something.

>>45008156
>missing the point this badly

>>45008154
also, you are aware that genitourinary reconstruction surgeries have some of the highest rates of complications in general, correct? this isn't exactly a good point to make
20%+ reoperative rate cannot be argued against lol

>>45008168
If I cared about passing I wouldn't be a transbian

>>45008165
>large open wound
See >>45008049
>that you repeatedly prevent from healing by sticking stuff inside.
Something that isn't needed after a year.
>Going so far as to say a dude sticking his dick in a wound
See >>45008049
>and that you "get wet" is hysterical.
Do you have any idea how delusional you sound?
>I drink water
>"NO YOU DON'T, YOU'RE HYSTERICAL"
This is how dumb you sound to us.
>By all means, be happy for yourself but lets not make jokes here. The only actual upside is you dont have a bulge anymore.
There's like 50 other upsides not mentioned here >>45007973

certain srs is good
certain srs is less desirable
some surgeons are good
some surgeons are really really really bad
complications for SRS can range from cosmetic to life changing
20%+ reoperative rate immediately puts a large percentage of people out of the willingness range
trannies are mentally ill and willing to deal with it and are satisfied generally speaking (this is the least compelling part for me)
most people who want SRS are extremely dysphoric and would be fine with almost any result
go look at the bottom 50% of the SRS results and defend it like there's no problem with SRS in current year

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I masturbate too hard and id break it

>>45008180
>20%+ reoperative rate cannot be argued against lol
See >>45008148
There's a physical reason that has nothing to due with the quality of the surgery, which is the main reason why there's such a high "reoperative" rate, but you're probably too dumb to guess it.

>>45008161
>if you've spent any amount of time in the community you would personally know people with srs complications lol
This is pretty funny to read as someone who's met 6+ people with complications from it in-person. Not a single one of them remotely shares your mindset.

>45008230
>trannies are mentally ill and willing to deal with it and are satisfied generally speaking (this is the least compelling part for me)
Nobody cares about your shit opinions, chud

>>45008238
>This is pretty funny to read as someone who's met 6+ people with complications from it in-person. Not a single one of them remotely shares your mindset.
Sunk cost sneeds at your aa meeting gotta keep their chin up or theyll kill themselves lol

>>45008028
>you still have penile erection tissue that produces similar feeling
NTA but it's not quite the same.
> a lot of post srs people piss all over the place
First few months, yes. Afterwards? No, not really. Unless there's complications which srsoids should address instead of just waiting and doing nothing.
>sex is a major bonus if no complications
Yes, actually.
>>45008165
>Going so far as to say a dude sticking his dick in a wound and that you "get wet" is hysterical
NTA but it's you who is hysterical.
Any SRSoid post 2018 or so who went for ppt or suporn has a very high chance of being naturally lubricating.
>The only actual upside is you dont have a bulge anymore
Also no more anal prep. And tighter clothes just sit right.

>>45008238
like I said, mentally ill mtfs getting bottom surgery are already an outlier in terms of willingness for surgery
barring horrific results which people certainly do cope with, the only other alternative is even more surgery or killing yourself
how is this compelling? you have already removed the tissue, it can only be revised, most people can get multiple revisions, nice point that has been covered already (with the high reoperative rate)

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>>45008236
I've ridden a 9 inch black dildo with 4 inch girth for 20+ minutes straight without breaking "it". Was a little sore the next morning though...

>>45008202
You will get one response out of me.

>If it's a gaping wound then why don't trannies get sepsis and die?
Because antibiotics you dipshit. If it's not an open wound, why are you dilating? Oh right. It's an open wound to prevent it from healing.

>Do you have any idea how delusional you sound?
lmao.

>don't have an erection because no longer have a rapestick
who cares
>don't have sweaty balls
literally who cares, cut off your arm so you dont get arm sweat life is so much better, in fact i hope my arm leaves a gaping hole i need to insert things into LOL

>have a real excuse to sit down to pee
how fucking stupid are you that you need to get srs to have an excuse to pee

>get wet down there
lol

>use my privates properly instead of using a gross poopchute
yeah sticking your dick into a makeshift hole is way more sanitary

>forget hrt for a whole week
>don't start remasculinizing
Better remove a limb because oopsie i forgot my hrt

>>45008272
>Because antibiotics you dipshit
NTA but you do realize we don't take antibiotics in perpetuity, right?
>If it's not an open wound, why are you dilating?
You do realize that dilation is not forever with the newer techniques, right?
I stopped dilating after a year and a half or so.
If you're gonna troll, at least get your trolling up to date, anon.

>>45008269
That was cause of the meanin receptors in your neovagi a

>>45007896
Honestly i was on the fence because what if bad results, what if issues, what ifs what ifs.

But then i remembered. I might not have much dysphoria about it but i always wanted to remove it. So I will do it. Worst case scenario, well, I die but other than that it would be lots of issue leading to removing it, which is unheard of AFAIK and still be a favorable outcome over having a penis.

Still even then I won't get it for a while cuz I would need to get it during summer to not cause issues with my life, and 2027 summer is not possible. Plus i need money cuz idk how it works in my country but i want the best. Plus there is always a long waiting list so either I end up somehow doing it in 2028 which would be a miracle, or I do it after uni so in 4 long years. 2030

>>45008272
i haven't dilated in years lol
>>45008269
my bf has a fucking machine to use sometimes it's really fun

also i definitely get wet if i'm about to have sex idk why people say i don't

>>45008294
>>45008258
furthers my point, srs or death, this is a mental illness
>>45008287
>>45008297
yes you "only" had to dilate for how long? a year? a year and a half? stop pushing people into surgery just because you wanted to put 9 inch dildos inside of your front hole instead of your back hole

>>45008258
The studies you yourself posted earlier show that more than 50% of MtFs want genital surgery. It's hardly an "outlier".
>the only other alternative is even more surgery or killing yourself
Alternative to what?
>how is this compelling?
How is what compelling? Learn to syntax better.
>you have already removed the tissue,
You're likely overestimating the amount of tissue that's actually "removed".
>it can only be revised,
Uh, yes? That's kind of the point? Why would I ever want it reversed? Are you crazy or something?
>most people can get multiple revisions, nice point that has been covered already (with the high reoperative rate)
Like I said before you literally have no clue why there's a "high" reoperative rate and it's sad.

>>45008313
its because the wound heals poorly for most people (or tissue just dies) and you need revisions for cosmetic reasons even if you ignore major complications
no one said anything about it being reversed
the tissue is rendered virtually unusable and has to be salvaged because of scar tissue, it's not like you have another option
you have to fix it, cope or kys
even "good" results can look absolutely vile, it's just good compared to ftm bottom surgery
definitely not a medical miracle yet

>>45008303
like a year until it was considered fully healed and i had treated any vaginismus
look it's annoying i had to deal with so many gynecological issues but compared to having a pp? i don't need a pp i'm a girl

Fear of getting botched. I'd rather have a tiny penis than a gross mess down there

>>45008358
i agree
other anon is coping though
if you say 'im willing to deal with bad stuff because having a penis is worse' i have nothing to say
if you cope and say there's nothing bad that happens and it's easy i think you should kill yourself
i would vomit and kill myself immediately with a lot of the results on trans_surgeries reddit (or be completely asexual and still want to kill myself)

>>45008289
Wdym, Nonny? What receptors?

>>45008272
>Because antibiotics you dipshit.
Wut? I haven't taken antibiotics since like, week 2 post-op.
>If it's not an open wound, why are you dilating? Oh right. It's an open wound to prevent it from healing.
I'm literally not doing dilation anymore?
>lmao.
Kek
>who cares
I do.
>literally who cares, cut off your arm so you dont get arm sweat life is so much better, in fact i hope my arm leaves a gaping hole i need to insert things into LOL
Missing the point this hard, LOL
>how fucking stupid are you that you need to get srs to have an excuse to pee
What part of "sit down and" did you not understand? Most trannies hate standing up for it, but cis people think we're creeps for sitting down for it.
>lol
lol
>yeah sticking your dick into a makeshift hole is way more sanitary
Uh, obviously?
>Better remove a limb because oopsie i forgot my hrt
better leave a tumor attached because it'd be like cutting my arm off xD

>>45008297
>my bf has a fucking machine to use sometimes it's really fun
I kind of want one of those...
Using my hand to hold a dildo makes my hand sore...
>also i definitely get wet if i'm about to have sex idk why people say i don't
because they're moronic chuds

My boyfriend has a preference for penis and I dont feel too stringly one way or another

another reminder, there are 70 year old transsexuals who have srs that looks fucking disgusting who are satisfied with their results
if you don't cis pass getting srs is at best a coinflip into killing yourself if you aren't completely deranged

>>45007896
no because i’m a medically detransed mtftm

>>45008389
i'm trans retard, cope with your hole

>>45007896
Im working on it, I dont want to have the rape appendage

>>45008303
>yes you "only" had to dilate for how long? a year? a year and a half?
Yes? Who's denying that? If that's so hard for you then keep the rapestick and stay male or whatever else suits your fancy.
>stop pushing people into surgery just because you wanted to put 9 inch dildos inside of your front hole instead of your back hole
That's the most appealing reason to do it but there 50+ other reasons that all make it more than worth it.

>>45008330
>its because the wound heals poorly for most people (or tissue just dies)
Where exactly do you people think this "wound" is? Where are the exposed blood vessels leaking blood and the broken skin leaking pus or whatever located at?
>and you need revisions for cosmetic reasons even if you ignore major complications
As the other anon said, it needs to be a two-stage surgery. It's not treated that way in 'murica because the insurance industry treats it as a way to castrate undesireables in the eyes of the elites and that's the only reason they pay for anything.
>no one said anything about it being reversed
You literally did >>45008258
>the tissue is rendered virtually unusable and has to be salvaged because of scar tissue
Salvaged? Wut?
>it's not like you have another option
Another option to what?
>you have to fix it, cope or kys
People want their genitals to work and look normal, yes.
>even "good" results can look absolutely vile
Says who?
>definitely not a medical miracle yet
Says who?

>>45008444
this question is going to seem absurd in 15-20 years when the tech has finally improved
the ftms getting phallo right now are going to feel like retarded bogged labrats
just post your result and I will see if it makes me want to vomit or not, I would be willing to bet you are coping

Tbh I'd only get srs with suporn and it's a lottery system

>>45008452
>this question is going to seem absurd in 15-20 years when the tech has finally improved
You're going to wait until you're 50+ and past the age most people have regular sex to get a surgery that makes sex appealing instead of dysphoria-inducing? Are you going to take age-regression magic drugs then too?
>the ftms getting phallo right now are going to feel like retarded bogged labrats
You're weird af for bringing up FtMs in this.
>just post your result
disgusting creep

>>45008413
>cope with your hole
TF does this even mean?

>>45008452
how about i just go have sex with my bf instead

>>45007973
>get wet down there
lmao

>>45007896
Of course I'd love to be rid of it. Do I feel strongly enough about it to allow a human to take a knife to my genitals, no and I never will.

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>45008523
>>get wet down there
>lmao

>>45008525
imagine if people said this about literally any other problem requiring medical surgery

>>45008535
cope

>>45008481
I dont think you would be here coping if you were satisfied
>>45008505
>boyfriend

>>45007896
I don't intend on anyone ever seeing me undressed. Simple as. Genitalia is the least of my physical worries for that reason.

If I was given the choice of:
>wake up looking and sounding indistinguishable from any other woman, but forced to keep my penis, no matter what
or
>wake up with a fully functioning set of ovaries and uterus and everything else, but i still look like how i do now, i.e. a man
of course I'll take the first deal.

the only valid reason to get SRS is dysphoria

>>45008255
>NTA but it's you who is hysterical.
>Any SRSoid post 2018 or so who went for ppt or suporn has a very high chance of being naturally lubricating.
naturally lubricating isn't the same thing as getting wet when aroused

>>45008661
According to them its not an open wound, but they still need to prevent it from healing.

>>45008672
they are right

>>45007973
>using a gross poopchute facsimile
is this what you think of bottoms?
remove the T

>>45008678
if its a wound it needs to heal you mongoloid, did they remove your brain with your balls too?

>>45008709
no. I'm not interested in topping you

>>45008672
How TF is it an open wound?>>45008661

>>45008935
Do you understand the process of dilation? They're various sized metal rods they insert into the wound to keep the wound from healing and closing, forming a hole. It's the same process as a piercing, which is an open wound you manually create and insert metal into to prevent from closing.

>>45007896
can I please have 40k for trans surgeries I am a student

>>45009220
>Do you understand the process of dilation?
Yes? I did it probably 500+ times.
>They're various sized metal rods
They aren't metal, nor rods, lol.
>they insert into the wound to keep the wound from healing and closing, forming a hole.
What wound? Where? Dilators never "form a hole".
>It's the same process as a piercing, which is an open wound you manually create and insert metal into to prevent from closing.
It really isn't, because a hole is never "cut" or whatever you're imagining.

>>45009220
no its not, newvaginas are fully healed and closed...

>>45009244
of course it's not "made" by dialating dipshit, you got surgery. It's like arguing with a literal retard that keeps saying fire is wet. You surgically got a hole put into you, that you keep from closing. You don't really need to argue otherwise.

i cannot believe males actually do this to themselves.. sounds like a horror story

>>45009260
>You surgically got a hole put into you, that you keep from closing.
How do you think this actually happens? Do you think they stab a surgical knife in you and then you have to keep that open or something? Intelligence level of a 5 year old over here.

>>45009285
If someone does this to themselves they lose their male card.

>>45009298
>they insert into the wound to keep the wound from healing and closing, forming a hole.
>What wound? Where? Dilators never "form a hole".

>>45009298
can you retards settle on one answer? first its not a hole, now it is?

>>45007896
Threads like this will likely be the reason I become obsessed with wanting srs

>>45009298
>Do you think they stab a surgical knife in you and then you have to keep that open or something?
nona...

>>45009324
?

>>45009326
how do they make the vaginal canal?

is it still a "rapestick" if it's only 4inch hard?

>>45009337
rapetwig

>>45008542
I'm a misanthrope. I'm not gonna trust a fucking human with a knife to my genitals. No shot.

>>45009240
40k is nothing, my ffs alone is 80k

>>45009351
whod you go to was it worth it do i rlly need to spend that much

>>45009337
Yes.

>rapestick
>gock
>feminine penis
please shut the fuck up

>>45008188
yikes